Poll of the Week - 1/11/10 - What to get for Brandon Marshall

I really do not see any team give up a 1st AND 3rd, so if someone would offer a first, I’d take it right away.

I wouldn’t, unless it’s a pick in the higher end of the 1st round. Then I’d consider it. Otherwise, it’s gotta be more than a 1st rounder.

Hopefully at least a couple of teams get in a bidding war with each other so we can get more than just a first for him.

I’ve been giving him the benefit of the doubt for several years now. I’m done. I’m done being infatuated with his talent and justifying his attitude. He is just too much of a punk ass and too much of a headache. I have a message to him (I am yelling this to make myself feel better), QUIT DANCIN AND FALL FORWARD!!! DRIVE ME FRICKIN CRAZY MAN!!! I don’t see anyone wanting his attitude on their team so I figure whatever we can get for him is gravy.

I still don’t think he’s done yet as a Bronco, so they’ll tender a 1st and 3rd pick for him and if by some miracle a CBA is reached then slap him with a Franchise Tag… We’ll see how he behaves during the OTAs and Mini camps and if things still aren’t looking that well then trade him. There’s a lot of teams out there looking for a wide receiver like him…

I think we could get more than a first rounder for the Beast.

I think the Broncos could get better value for two or three lower-round drafts.

Marshall is a HOF talent with 3 consecutive seasons of HOF type production and he is just 25 years old. I wouldn’t trade him for anything less than 2 1st round picks and I’d still think Denver got screwed. But the CBA is what it is which says Denver gets a 1st and 3rd rounder for the guy. So that is what we get.

However, I’d hope no team signs him and he stays in Denver for 2010 for $3MM as a restricted FA. Even if his only goal is 100 catches, that is a goal in line with Denver’s best interests of offensive production. If he is a locker room cancer, it certainly doesn’t show in HIS play.

I’m as scared as any Bronco fan of signing this player long term not knowing how he’ll react to the money. He may continue to be a great performer, but he may also pull a Gerard Warren and get lazy. I’m haven’t the slightest idea and I doubt BM does either. If I was Bowlen, I wouldn’t give BM a long term deal. Not this offseason anyway.

to trade a top flight WR in today’s NFL, esp. one that is looking for a whole lot more money (i.e., Chad Johnson & A.Bolden). I think we will be very lucky indeed to get a first; hoever, I agree with a previous comment that even then we are unlikely to turn that pick into a player nearly as talented as BM.

As in previous situations we’ve seen the last 12 months, I think it would be in both side’s long-term interest to ignore their pride and work things out. While I’m wishing for the impossible, I would also like to win the lottery and be 18 again!

Let me just say how very glad I am to see some constructive and thoughtful dissenting voices at MHR. IMO, this site needs more of THESE types of voices to challenge McDaniels and Co.

only because I want more than a first. I’d also trade for Cribbs and a second. Realistically there’s not many better than Marshall at his position. Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson. Then who? If last season taught us anything it’s that there aren’t too many teams willing to part with a first rounder for a WR.

But I would just as gladly take 2 second round picks. I’m in the get the most out of him as you can camp. I’d also take Boldin straight up and pay Boldin instead.

Do you honestly trade an individual like Marshall? Does it make sense? Will he stop his shananagans once he get’s paid? These questions and more can only be answered by Brandon. Honestly if his issues are only about money then pay the man and get on with restructuring the team. Then what happens when all of this money goes to his head and Marshall reverts back to the old marshall we are so well acquainted with? Then we start over again. I personally don’t know all of the issues with Marshall and neither does anyone else on here, what we have gathered is this. The team captains had a meeting with the McDaniels on Monday morning before the Chiefs games and expressed their feelings about accountability, that’s when McD opening said that some of the players weren’t being accountabe to the team. This came when asked about Marshall and Scheffler. Aparently these two had put them selves first ahead of the team and their teammates.

Not to get into any arguing session here it is best for me to stand down a let you all fight it out. I would trade Marshall in a minute and bet that the phone has been ringing off the hook. We’ll get a Cutler type deal for him and move on.

Denver apparently couldn’t find any takers last off season. Marshall produced at a predictable level consistent with his undoubted talent; and he sprinkled in a suspension and a controversial incident at the end of the season.. In other words, the cipher that is the Beast remains exactly the same guy with exactly the same variables as last year. I don’t see why teams are going to start beating down a door that didn’t appeal to them last year. Pretty much nothing has changed.

I wouldn’t trade him. I’d high tender him and leave open the option of evaluating any offer he gets. It gives BM the closest opportunity for FA he can get right now (appeasement), while giving Denver the opportunity to evaluate cost/benefit while not impulsively giving up on a premier talent. Its all about money, nothing else. I don’t think BM is lying when he says he respects the coach and I don’t think the coach is so delusional as to give up on a uniquely talented guy unless he absolutely has to (insanely steep financial parameters). So let him test the market and see what the market bear. If its too steep considering the risk, take the picks. If its reasonable, then match, and BM can’t say that he is getting totally screwed. Everybody is as happy as they can get…even if it isn’t a perfect world for either side.

Football teams aren’t any different from real life— while the good debate operates in the extremes, the real stuff takes place among the finer shades of gray.

It’s 2010, not 2009. Yeah, I forgot too…haha

I would argue that his value lies in consistency and youth. We all know Brandon has 100+ catches and 1100 + yards the last three years, but to me it’s important to note that during this last season, those numbers were acheived in a new system, with a new coach, oc, and new qb. I would guess that his consistency is weighed heavily by any teams looking for a WR.

At the time of his trade, Roy Williams was shorter, lighter, a year older, far less consistent, never had 100 catches and has only had a 1000 yard season once in his career. Perhaps more importantly, though, is that he never proved an ability to perform at a high level in a new system. Brandon has. And teams will notice that and should feel confident in what they are buying.

I doubt most agree, but IMO Marshall’s value should be two first rounders so long as he keeps his mouth shut between now and then.

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14136532

It’s a good read.

Compelling evidence exists (Alphonso Smith) to suggest that Denver wasn’t wild about the idea of paying two-first round picks in back to back years. Its not all together a different financial risk to pay an unproven kid than it is to pay a proven, if not volatile, veteran producer.

I think these things are far to often viewed in a vacuum, or to steal an apt analogy by Sayre, through a straw.

Let’s face it. Marshall has been nothing but trouble. His legal past and his antics have been enough since he’s come to Denver. Choosing when to show up to practice and whether to participate in team acticivities is more of the same from Marshall. He doesn’t want to be here, and doesn’t seem to have the support of the coach, the management, or the players.

At this point, the only people who seem to support Marshall are the folks who have been on a mission to fault McDaniels, or folks who think that a star player with a thug mentality can better a team in the long run. They make the same tired arguments about draft picks, McDaniels, and everything EXCEPT Marshall’s “me first” attitude. Thankfully, it looks like Marshall AND the Broncos will get their way, and rid themselves of the relationship.

I would take a first round pick for Marshall. I would also take a lot less, given that “the player” doesn’t want to be here. Remember that Marshall refused to discuss any desire to stay in Denver, and this was weeks ago (before his latesst stunt).

but I agree with everyone who says that Marhsall is worth more.

In an ideal world he’s worth the same as (or even more than) Roy Williams he was traded for a 1-3-6. So Marshall has to be worth at least that if not a bit more. But since everyone knows he won’t be a Bronco next year, there’s no way you’ll get a deal like that. The only way that Broncos get any more than a 1st or a 2nd and conditional pick in 2011 is if two teams will get into a bidding war but at the moment, if any team came in and offered a frist – no strings attached – right now I’d take it.

I guess I get frustrated too, but I shouldn’t call anyone a Raiders lover. That’s worse than being both a rapist and pedophile.

and demanding he be paid. Look back on the game posts when he was the only one that could catch the ball. funny how this last game made everyone turn on him once again.
Agree with all about the beast being a little bit dramatic and all but we all know it is all about his contract and always has been about the money.
3 100 yard seasons in a row, not bad, not that many WR do that in their first 4 years. But I am sure we can pick up a WR to fill his place.
Would be really interesting to look at Ortons numbers minus the beast. Would loved to have seen some of those games without him in there, I am sure we would have done much better this year without him. Funny how we are saying it was a team failure during our complete melt down but now it must have been the beasts fault.
One thing that is good here is that none of us are going to make the decisions on who will be on this team. Thank God for that and as the old saying goes “be careful what you wish for”….

If the Rams offered there second round pick and a third this year for Marshall would anyone take that deal?

You might even convince me of a 2nd, a 3rd and a young mid level guy that works hard and wants to play…

First, the idea of signing Marshall to a long-term contract strikes me as wishful thinking. As much as I admire his playing ability, his actions seem to indicate he wants out of Denver and I cannot see the Broncos forcing him to stay. So my thought on this question becomes how to maximize Marshall’s value. I see two scenarios:

With a new CBA: Franchise then trade.
Without a CBA: Tender then let him shop himself.

My ‘No’ vote is predicated upon the latter scenario, since it doesn’t look like likely there will be a CBA. Without a CBA, Marshall is worth a first and a third as a starting point. It seems silly to trade him for simply a first when you can get more for him by letting him sign elsewhere. The only reason I see for the Broncos to accept less for him is if they are feeling vindictive and want to exile him somewhere ugly such as with the Browns or with Seattle.

Make him play here another year, or he can sit. (he won’t because his ego won’t let him do that).

Then, if he decides, hey, I like being a Bronco then he stays, if not, well then you try to get the picks you need when theres a rookie cap. ;)

You get at LEAST a 1st and a 3rd for him if not more. This is almost exactly the same position we were in with Cutler and I said the same thing…“you only trade the guy for what his value is”.

I don’t care how much of a punk he is…he can ride the pine if he doesn’t want to play ball.

I also have great faith that we will get him traded…I really don’t see him not getting attention from at least 4 teams out there.

Not enough- we’ll get at least a 1st and a 3rd because he’ll be a RFA when there’s no CBA for at least 2010. It’d be dumb to give him up for one pick.

I don’t see the Broncos getting more for him this year, even if he’s the best possession receiver to ever step on the field. Gaffney is definitely a step down from Marshall, but he’ll do fine for what they both are used to do.

You guys that see Marshall as HOF are deluded….. you’ve got your own kinda Koolaid you’re funneling.

when it looked like Brandon Marshall had gotten over the hump and really played to make a difference for the Broncos. We all have to admit he has tremendous talent and ability when he applies himself. He just doesn’t at times. Imagine if he’d given his all 100% of the time what his production would have looked like.
Bottom line unless we get more than a first round pick for him I’d say keep him. Really all Denver has to do this year is match any potential offers and he stays a Bronco. What’s the compensation if we don’t match, a third rounder? Franchise him and well he probably throws a fit….not sure that’s worth the tag.
I’d like us to keep him and if we do pay him the money he’s earned, but, that also means there has to be some mending to do as well. Dog gone premadonna WR’s anyway :o), whatcha’ goina do.

If no one offers the following, then no dice. The problem McD and X run into is the same thing someone mentioned here at one point. Brandon is nothing more than a possession receiver to most teams. He isn’t a deep threat necessarily. His two really deep balls against Washington came in wide open coverage—the kind of coverage that would allow any of us to make the touchdown if we were on the receiving end of it.

I won’t discredit Brandon completely, because in 08 and 07 he was a legitimate deep threat at times, but it’s not about what you’ve done for me. It’s about what you’ve done for me lately. In my opinion, if McX can somehow manage to pull a 1st and 4th/3rd for a possession receiver, then they will have made out like bandits.

Would anyone here give a first and third/fourth for Wes Welker? Hardly. He is a good receiver, solid as they come, but his position as a slot receiver says you shouldn’t give more than a second for him. Period.

Hell no I don’t trade him. You know, an older, more mature coach knows how to handle these divas and their egos. It sucks having to baby grown men, but sometimes you have to……..and good coaches know how to do that. You need star players in skill positions to win. That’s a fact.

Josh is a young, head strong guy. His “my way or the highway” attitude isn’t doing this organization any good. He’s trying to be Belichick, without having earned the respect of Belichick.

We’ve gone from Jay Cutler & Brandon Marshall to Kyle Orton & Jabar Gaffney. Come on man.

I would only pull the trigger on a trade if you are moving up to draft Claussen. And it would have to be a guarentee that you would get him so u can’t do a trade till draft day.

Other than that..no I would not trade him.

I would trade the 10th pick down to get Tebow hopefully around 20 if the above was impossible.

If the Broncos trade Marshall and all they get is a 2010 1st round pick then I think that may officially qualify as the worst trade in NFL history.

because he is worth more than a first rounder. This is a really tough decision and I am glad it isn’t up to me. While I want Marshall to stay and everything is fine and dandy, I know that it may go the other way. If that is the case then that first rounder better be high or have another pick along with it.

The offseason is long so hopefully thigs will die down over time and the players than WANT to play for the Broncos will show up on time.

All-Pro production and some off-field headaches, or the gamble of a 1st-round pick?

If Denver were in the bottom third of the league, I’d say trade him and plug some holes. If we were in the top third of the league, I’d say absolutely don’t trade him because his talent would help sustain the fabric of a playoff team. We sit in the middle, which is why it’s a tough choice. I vote “no” because to me, his on-field production outweighs his off the field shenanigans.

is what I’d want for Marshall. But I wonder if the Browns, if they can’t pay Cribbs, would be willing to pay Marshall what he’s got coming…