Broncos to interview Bills RB coach

Prior to his six seasons with the Bills, Studesville was the New York Giants’ running backs’ coach from 2001-03. His 1,000-yard runners include Tiki Barber, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson, who has developed from an undrafted rookie from Division III Coe in 2003. Jackson spent two years playing in indoor football leagues, and a third year in NFL Europa before getting his chance with the Bills in 2007.

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Cool?

I wonder if he uses the power run techniques that the Jedi will be going to. Those are some quality backs on his resume.

by precisiontint on Jan 18, 2010 9:23 AM MST reply actions

BILLS RB COACH TO INTERVIEW DENVER

To use a worn out phrase….“He ain’t no Bobby Turner”. Surely there are better candidates than a former “infoor football league” player to coach-read the words “teach” and “communicate”- Denver’s RB’s in the power run game. By the way what are the differences again between the power run game and the run game Shanahan utilized?

by Charlie Tango on Jan 18, 2010 9:31 AM MST reply actions

Re-read the post.

Fred Jackson, the RB, was the one who spent time in the indoor league.

Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?

by pubkeeper on Jan 18, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions

Pushing forward instead of sideways.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions

Karate v. Judo

Not a perfect analogy…but a power scheme is more about over powering the defense at a dictated point of attack. A zone scheme is more about using the defenses’ momentum against them and letting the running back capitalize on its mistakes.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 18, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

As short as possible...

The Zone scheme relied on linemen that could move – as a unit – and block an area. The idea was to get defenders to the ground, creating cutback lanes for the running back.

The Power scheme is ‘mano y mano’ Take on the guy in front of you, get to the second level and attack the linebackers. Essentially the way the Jets run the football….

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by John Bena on Jan 18, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

John

Wasn’t there a post about the differences between the 2? I thought I remember that discussion but couldn’t find it in the archives.

Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?

by pubkeeper on Jan 18, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions

I believe HT is working on a MHRUniversity article to be posted soon

by Timimus on Jan 18, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions

Or at least on what the Broncos are moving towards

by Timimus on Jan 18, 2010 3:12 PM MST up reply actions

Is he the guy who helped Tiki Barber overcome his fumbling problem?

Or was he gone before then? Barber had a season where he put the ball on the ground a TON, then in the off-season, he was re-taught how to tote the rock and the next season he had like 2 fumbles all season. It was his best year.

This could be the reason for the interest.

Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?

by pubkeeper on Jan 18, 2010 9:36 AM MST reply actions

Tiki Barber hit the iron to cure his fumbling

For some reason, Tiki got real serious about lifting and that cured his fumbleitis. I forgot his numbers for bench pressing and squats, but they were outstanding for someone of his weight. Makes sense to me, if in doubt just keep lifting.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions

I'm sure that was part of it, but...

I remember specifically him talking about being coached to carry the ball differently. Obviously, most know that how you carry it impacts ball security, but supposedly his coach had some drills and techniques that helped him. Like I said before, his stats bore that out.

Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?

by pubkeeper on Jan 18, 2010 11:47 AM MST up reply actions

coughlin

curing his fumbler was attributed to coughlin. see wikipedia. if thats true, back’s coach could not get the job done and ended up in buffalo

by si_ice on Jan 18, 2010 1:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Tiki

Barber mentioned being taught (and I’m pretty sure that it’s a common knowledge thing, it’s just that not every teacher emphasizes it enough) that there are really four points where the ball has to intersect with the ‘RBs body – if I recall correctly, they are that the point of the ball must be in the palm of the hand, locked by the elbow and under the bicep, protected by the forearm and pulled tightly into the ribs (feel free to correct me if you’ve read them differently, I’m just doing this from an old memory). Tiki found that he was having trouble in two areas – one was the level of musculature, which AB noted above. Tiki was only 5’10 and about 200 lbs after he built up. The second area was making sure that he was locking the ball in on all four points – many RBs are careless and let at least one of them go. When he fixed those two areas, he became a better player.

By the way, on the point of the ball issue? It’s a bit more complicated than you might think. Here’s an excerpt that I found that you might enjoy, courtesy of Ed Leonard:

In open field running you cradle the ball along your forearm, one point of ball under the bicep and the other point of the ball covered by first two fingers spread over the tip (or forefinger tip on point of ball). Of course, you know that when you are about to be tackled you put the ball on the side of your body, away from the tackler to protect the ball. When you do that, practice putting the point of the ball in the palm of your hand not just covered by your spread fingers, and the other point fully under the bicep. Credit goes to Coach Jim Garrett for this rule. I have never seen a player fumble when tackled if he had the point of the ball in the palm of his hand.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Jan 18, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions

Leonard also noted

that holding the ball this way if you’re open can slow you down by interfering with the natural movement of the arm. This is what he said:

Putting the point of the ball in the palm of the hand slows you down from fast open field running really slows you down. BUT I guarantee you this, you will not fumble the ball going through a lot of tacklers. Try running with and without the point of the ball in palm of your hand, and you’ll see the difference. Next, run through the impact machines at school with the point of the ball in the palm, and notice how well it stays there. In the open filed with no tacklers near you, you don’t want the point in your palm because is slows you. However, when you are about to be hit, you won’t fumble with the point in the palm.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Jan 18, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions

Anyone

with “Stud” in his name must be cool.

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by Kfustud on Jan 18, 2010 9:53 AM MST reply actions 1 recs

I like it lets sign him up!

Just the man we need Always been impressed with Bills running backs and the way Tiki ran at the end of his career. Just what Know Mo and Buck need

Get er Done! McD

by cptmorni on Jan 18, 2010 11:01 AM MST reply actions

I like it

Lets make this happen

by Whosbob89 on Jan 18, 2010 11:46 AM MST reply actions

this bites

Bobby turner and dennison probably left thinking mcdanials was a big jerk. Now we get to see knowshon go up the middle for 2 yards every week while turner and shanahan bring the redskins back to glory.

by aldawg33 on Jan 18, 2010 12:14 PM MST via mobile reply actions

Pfft Shanahan couldn't bring the Broncos back to glory even though he had total power and ten years to do so.

We’ll see how much glory his nepotism brings the Redskins in the highly competitive NFC East.

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by MrFNSunshine on Jan 18, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions

not necessarily

this will allow josh to employ the scheme he’s familiar with, and produced a pretty efficient running game in New England. Problem this year is Knowshon would get hit in the backfeild and prevent him from having a shot at reaching the second level. We need to rebuild our porous offensive line and the Bills ground game speaks for itself

by cptmorni on Jan 18, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions

How do you know what they thought before they left?

You have sources? Let turner and shanny go man. You can’t hold on forever. They’ll do what they do, the broncos will find coaches that fit the new system and well see how it plays out. I have my money on the broncos. If you’re really questioning mcdaniels I think his coaching hires have been the best of his first year. I don’t see a reason to be fearful of new, better fitting coaches.

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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 12:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Um...

what?

Turner’s a great guy and did well for the DEnver for years, but if he’s gonna get credit, shouldn’t he get blame for some erratic play by the RBs last season? And is really that irreplaceable? And re Dennison, appreciate his years of service but he’s not exactly the best OL coach out there, certainly no Alex Gibbs. The OL stands to be BETTER next season, not worse.

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by underdog on Jan 18, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions

lol

this is laughable.

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by Joe Medina on Jan 18, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions

seems good

who else is out there?

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by RiG on Jan 18, 2010 12:51 PM MST reply actions

+1 seems like a fair candidate

Question for HT or some of the more experienced minds here, with regard to the vacant Offensive line coach position would Clancy Barone the TE coach be able cover that position as well as his own or would a position coach lose too much coaching efficency covering two positions?

I only ask as Clancy seems to have a fairly good Offensive line coaching experience as well.

by Scotto on Jan 18, 2010 3:03 PM MST reply actions

I take it he is unemployed like the rest of the Bills staff

Hence we didn’t need to ask for permission to talk with him. The one thing with the Bobby Turner thing, I wonder how much backlash McDaniels will get when he tries to get coaches from other staffs. I am sure plenty of coaches will think long and hard about giving permission to McDaniels in talking to their coaches.

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by Broncoman on Jan 18, 2010 4:39 PM MST reply actions