Broncos, Mike Nolan Part Ways
by John Bena on Jan 18, 2010 5:45 PM MST
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"I have great respect for Mike and wish him success in the future," Head Coach Josh McDaniels said.
That was it. That was the press release from the Broncos late this afternoon regarding the departure of Mike Nolan. This is a shock, at least to me, and in a lot of ways puts the Broncos back at square one from a defensive standpoint. Sure, they will likely keep the 3-4, but Nolan had the unit playing hard, playing together. Now it will fall on someone else.
I am hoping this doesn't have something to do with former Patriots DC Dean Pees resigning last week. Some reports were that Pees was fired, but he stated he left on his own accord.
Now, just to add something to the mix is a bit from Nolan's past. He was previously a DC for the Redskins, Jets, Giants and Ravens - all teams in the East. Yes, he was a coach for the Broncos way back when, and he took the 49ers HC position, but with 3 DC jobs currently open - Buffalo (HC, too), Chicago and Miami (Dolphins run a 3-4), could Nolan simply WANT to head back East?? Time will tell.
As for placing blame solely on Josh McDaniels, if he WAS looking to fire Mike Nolan, why wouldn't he do this last week when Romeo Crennel was available? Why wait until a Division Rival (Kansas City) picked him up. No, I think this was Nolan's decision and I think he wants to head back East. Just my opinion.
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you forgot the T and the F ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 18, 2010 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
Shock is an understatement
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 5:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Wow...
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 18, 2010 5:06 PM MST reply actions
wow, wow -- to the Dolphins?
I see Miami appears to have been courting him since before his chat with McDaniels.
ESPN’s John Clayton reports that Mike Nolan is close to an agreement with the Dolphins that will make him their next defensive coordinator.
The Fins reportedly asked permission to interview Nolan even before his “mutual” parting with Denver. Nolan and Josh McDaniels decided to cut ties shortly thereafter
no goats, no glory.
Schefter's earlier report on Nolan interveiw
The earliest report only had him interviewing.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that the Dolphins plan to interview Mike Nolan for their defensive coordinator vacancy.
The quick show of interest isn’t surprising. Miami may be Nolan’s likeliest landing spot. The Fins have a 3-4 in place, which Nolan traditionally has used, and are attractive because they offer plenty of talent on defense.
Schefter’s report seems to cast it as if he was lured away to greener pastures.
no goats, no glory.
another failure
Can McDaniel’s get along with anyone?
We do not know the circumstances!
Please don’t jump to conclusions…..
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that this is at least partially McD's fault.
Generally when a coach and a coordinator work well together, they last more than a year together. and generally speaking, they’re not each reportedly looking for other partners shortly after the season (Dean Pees / Miami Dolphins). A successful executive will nourish relationships with talented employees so that they don’t get lured away.
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Jan 18, 2010 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
there's a bit more to it than that though
Each coach, and especially ones with Nolan’s reputation are not only in demand, but have their own ambitions. From what I have read, Miami contacted Nolan and Nolan resigned. If it wasn’t this year, it would have been next year. Nolan is too good of a coach and did so much this season to reinject his career with respect that he wasn’t going to stay a big fish in a small pond, no matter how much the relationship was nourished. It was a matter of time.
Nolan wasn’t fired though. He’s a respected coach. He was allowed to take an opportunity. What would have happened to their relationship if McDaniels would’ve denied him the choice to go someplace else?
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 19, 2010 1:28 PM MST up reply actions
We should always expect shock.
Especially after the chargers lose.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
It makes it easy then
McD ran all the coaches out of town and the only part of the team that worked well is undone. I guess his people skills are suspect. McGeorge, you were right all along
Wow that didn't take long
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 5:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t want to be right.
I want Denver to win. I just wish McDaniels wasn’t learning on the job so much. It’s painful. It’s really painful.
I’d love if Denver could go a week this offsesaon without making news.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
Nolan already is interviewing with the Dolphins
hmmmmmmmmmm
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jan 18, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
can you say
fishy…..see what i did there
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
+1
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
Here, here
I don’t know if I can take another off season like the last one!
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Jan 18, 2010 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
hold your knee-jerk reactions for a few days!
this isn’t necessarily on McD. We’ll see.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
For certain
I guess his people skills are suspect.
This is definitely true, but not sure about whether it was his decision or not. With that said, a lot of strange circumstances keep on occuring around McD. Third time’s a trend.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
He was under contract for two years right? Health related?
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 5:07 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Someone had a good point in the other thread:
Jamaal Charles put up 256 yards on that vaunted D. I agree they were improved, but….. considering where we were coming from…..
I know, I know. 7th best D in the league. But the above at least gives a case for hope.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
WTF?
In a related story, the Oakland Raiders just moved to Colorado Springs, Elvis Presley came out of hiding to take Mike Nolan’s place and I have just been informed by my parents that I am adopted.
Huh?
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
Hard luck, man.
But they still love you, right?
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
i would SO love it if Elvis came back.
i think he’d go 4-3 though so he probably wouldn’t fit here. anyway, it’d be cool.
tough break on the adoption
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jan 18, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
Death Spiral
One of the few bright lights on the team is leaving now…….Can all the McD believers put a positive spin on this?…How demoralizing…..
NFL Network follow up
Mike Lombardi said Mike N said the decision came after other teams started contacting The Broncos for interviews. he decided he wanted to persue other org. oportunities.
…Opinion…
( Sounds like he wasn’t happy here)
by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Jan 18, 2010 5:09 PM MST reply actions
That seems about right....
I remember during the course of the season (mostly first half) there was rampant speculation that Nolan would be a hot commodity this offseason. It could very well be that he has a couple of very promissing leads for increased roles/salary. Maybe he’s in the running for one of the vacant HC positions (NFL or NCAA)?
by attackparrot on Jan 18, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions
Here we go again
I’m sure we’ll get lots of “we don’t know the whole story!!!” from the kool-aid crowd, and that’s true to some extent. We don’t know for sure.
But I see a very disturbing trend here. A large percentage of people good enough or well-regarded enough to get out of this organization are leaving, as fast as they can. Very, very concerning.
This Kool Aid still tastes like crap to me.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
by McGeorge on Jan 18, 2010 5:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I did!
And now I’m regretting it!
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Jan 18, 2010 8:18 PM MST up reply actions
Damn it
You beat me to this line
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Jan 18, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
If your anger at the Broncos has subsided, that sounds like a new signature there McGeorge
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 19, 2010 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
You'd rather assume that the circumstantial evidence
proves McD is a bad coach?
I know you didn’t say that…. and the trend is concerning, but a trend is not a predictor.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
I am in the Kool Aid crowd
And I cannot possibly put a positive spin on this one. Don’t care who we bring in this is going to piss me off until the season starts again.
How long till spring training again?
/heads over to purplerow
Positive spin:
Nolan wants to be a HC again.
Not saying he does, but there’s a positive spin for ya. Just a guy wanting a better job. Nothing you can do about that. It’s what happened with Denny and Turner.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
Then again...
Changing DC’s every year is par for the course at Dove Valley so in a sense, this is a form of consistency.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
Slowik sign with the Redskins yet?
Please shoot me
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jan 18, 2010 7:24 PM MST up reply actions
I was really looking forward to a nice, quiet offseason.
Oh well. Send in the trolls.
"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent
Hmmm
Early reports are very interesting, suggesting there may be less intrigue here than most of us will want to think. Probably not worth havinng an epileptic fit until we know more. LOL
But either way, I am sure disappointed to see Nolan go.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Jan 18, 2010 5:15 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
+1
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
You guys have a choice right now...
Come with something constructive or be gone – both sides…
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by John Bena on Jan 18, 2010 5:17 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Sorry
Just hard to swallow.
So on the constructive side, who do we think the replacements might be? Also could this be a finance issue where other teams are offering more money and we said we would not let him out of the contract? Then he comes back, “All you had to do was match X”
Kids! Play Nice!
LOL! Good one John, and been there done that in some groups I run. That are supposedly consisting of other adults. :-)
I have to say this is a shocker, and agree with those who write “don’t jump to conclusions” and be patient for the rest of the story to come out. I’d also have to say this is one of the more quickly active threads I’ve seen here since our season ended. Wow!
It’s going to be an interesting offseason.
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
It's not about playing nice...
People who have been members know the deal – MHR is above some ‘other sites’. If people don’t get it, they won’t be here…
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MHR
True, true, which why I’ve been an enthusiastic member here since the preseason when I first discovered this place. So much better than any other site. Thanks for all you do John, and I look forward to our offseason banter here.
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
Any chance Guru of MHR radio?
A special show to address what’s going on?I’m sure it would draw interest.
by Broncolorado on Jan 18, 2010 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
No point posting here
This is the reason that posting here is pointless – any and all criticism is considered flaming and worthy of warning or banning.
This just plain sucks.
If he resigned because he is looking at being a HC again somewhere that would be one thing, but to just up and leave with two years left on his contract doesn’t bode well. I want to know more.
Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.
KC scored 44 on us at home in a season finale when we had all the motivation in the world to win.
Do I need to say more?
And how many points did the Offense score in the season finale when we had all the motivation in the world to win?
Did they score more points than times they went 3&out? Didn’t look like it.
I just updated the post...
With something other than the, “Josh McDaniels drives all the good men in his life away” theories…
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here's to hoping these theories are as silly as they sound...
while at the same time secretly fearing they’re not.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
well,
this makes perfect sense and we should’ve all expected it:
1) Broncos have great early season success.
2) Broncos blow sizable lead in AFC West
2) Broncos DON’T make the playoffs.
3) Broncos lose Defensive Coordinator
This happens every year, folks.
~me
Spin, spin, spin....
Why do we have to speculate. Why can’t we wait a day or a few days and see what happened and what might happen. If Nolan gets more money or a promotion, more power to him. We have a good plan with McD and it is still there. We need a stronger O and D line and that does not change with this move.
Can’t wait to see the next Broncos game, too bad I have to wait so long.
There is no I in team.
this
IS the bottom line and the only rational way to view it outside idle speculation.
I’m ready for a list of possible replacements though…. anybody?
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
Dre Bly wants to coach..... LOL
I got nothin.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Josh McDaniels let the wrong coordinator go...
I wonder if he’ll be as critical with the Offense Coordinator…
I was the same way.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Well he did play for the Rockies until he was traded to Toronto...:)
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Play being a very loose term...
he did get to pinch run a few times….
Perhaps a solution for kick returner?
by attackparrot on Jan 18, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
lol..he did get to pinch run...and had a couple of ABs in Sept
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
course, not sure how he feels about denver since he was left of the 25 man roster...
by attackparrot on Jan 18, 2010 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
heh...
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Listening to the radio today
here in Toronto (Bills country). They were saying expect an announcement on a new head coach in the next 24 hours. Let’s see if that is Nolan.
Oh, not the Chiefs' ex-OC?
Gailey, or something like that… unfortunately, his name has slipped my mind.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
We'll probably find out
that Nolan was Bowlen’s guy from the beginning, as a condition for hiring McDaniels…
As far as I’m concerned, Nolan better have a head coaching gig lined up, or McDaniels had better have a big name selected for their D Coordinator.
Dean Pees opted to not renew his contract with the Patriots
Mike Nolan “mutually parts ways” within a few days of above situation happening.
Dean Pees become Broncos new DC…
I think Nolan was “fired”….
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
this is devastating
I think many people are jumping to the wrong conclusions. Many of the replies I see read “how dare McDaniels alienate and fire Nolan, et al.” Remember, guys, McD HIRED Nolan, and Turner and Dennison were kept on when the rest of the staff was fired. These guys moved on to jobs they see as “better”, and I think we’re going to see Nolan hired as a head coach again real soon. At any rate, we need to calm down and stop assuming that he was fired in any way.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
turnoil
this just adds to an already poor reputation regardless of whether this was McD’s fault. How are we to attract quality free agents when our house is not in order? What will the vet’s think of this? What does this do to rookies like Ayers who will need to learn a new playbook. How does this affect our draft
This is bad on so many levels..
I am really concerned as a fan of the Broncos as we can’t seem to get any positive traction I will hold off until I hear more but at this point I am really disappointed in both Nolan (who is not living up to his deal) and McD for the turmoil he is creating.
by SweenDog on Jan 18, 2010 5:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
+100
Even though this may not be McD’s fault this does look bad on any prospective people that were thinking of joining here.
I'm not a negative person
But you’re right.
Even if BILL COWHER came in and became our DC it would be a set back. Going from 28th to 7th is just about as big of an improvement that is possible.
I don’t respect the “Oh this is because of McDs arrogance comments,” but losing as many assistants as we have in this short off season is NOT good.
Time will tell. I will say that this light will not shine brightly on McD.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Don't jump to conclusions
Given the scarce information we have, any finger-pointing is premature and unfounded. We literally have NO idea what happened and why this occurred. Any conclusions are merely inferences based on very little actual evidence. Yes, perhaps McDaniels “drove” him out, but maybe Nolan’s family wanted to move elsewhere, or maybe Nolan hated Bowlen, or maybe Nolan wants to join a monastery in Austria (unlikely), etc. We really have no clue, and to begin to pin this one on McDaniels is extremely premature.
by thekingofjoy on Jan 18, 2010 5:37 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
Very well said.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
Nolan to miami?
news is happening fast it seems…
I'm glad we had this talk.
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Like I said....
Now, just to add something to the mix is a bit from Nolan’s past. He was previously a DC for the Redskins, Jets, Giants and Ravens – all teams in the East. Yes, he was a coach for the Broncos way-back when, and he took the 49’ers HC position, but with 3 DC jobs currently open – Buffalo(HC, too), Chicago and Miami(Dolphins run a 3-4), could Nolan simply WANT to head back East?? Time will tell.
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Nolan wanted to wear a suit
and Josh said he had to wear a hoodie
by Broncolorado on Jan 18, 2010 6:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hehe.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
lol +1
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 6:59 PM MST up reply actions
Before the split, Miami sent in a request for permission to interview Nolan, sources close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Nolan now will talk to the Dolphins about becoming their defensive coordinator.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe the Miami vibe just suits him better. I don't know.
There’s a lot that we don’t know about this situation, right now.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
family, more time closer to home?
He resigned according to these early reports so it looks like it was a specific choice by Nolan
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
Ok so we don't know what is going on and we don't have all the info. so
Lets look at who will replace him, instead of dwelling on why he left……..any ideas on a replacement?
He's a good coach...And they have worked together...How is that a BAD thing???
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Jan 18, 2010 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
I hear that....
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
thanks GURU
we shouldnt jump to conclusions. If some one called and offered Nolan another job closer to home, why not go? It will all come out in a few days or weeks. I wouldnt be shocked if has something to do with Buffalo. Just my thought. Lets let the facts come out. Ive over reacted before and learned my lesson, so just calm down.
live and die blue and orange
Iknow one thing for sure
I have never seen a thread grow at an exponentialrate as this one is right before my eyes. Lots and Lots of emotion going here.
by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Jan 18, 2010 5:44 PM MST reply actions
We do still have some of the best
positional defensive assistants in the league
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 18, 2010 5:49 PM MST reply actions
From ESPN:
“Miami already has requested an interview with Nolan, sources close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.”
“As a potential replacement, the Broncos already are discussing former Patriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees, who worked with McDaniels in New England, sources told Schefter.”
“Before Broncos and Mike Nolan parted ways, Miami sent in request for permission to interview him for defensive coordinator job.”
Sounds Like Miami wanted him a DC
and Nolan would rather workin in Miami then in Denver
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 18, 2010 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
Holy moly!!
McD isn’t averse to drama…
I think I’ll let this one sort out a little before I pass judgement one way or the other….
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 18, 2010 5:50 PM MST reply actions
It's always tough to be positive about losing players and coaches
I’ll be happier when we get to the point where we start adding people instead of subtracting them.
Thanks John
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
So with the new information about
Miami wanting him before the spit….anybody still want to blame McD? Seems to me like Nolan chose this path not McD
I still find it concerning he would leave for a lateral move so quickly. It still makes you wonder what the reason is.
location? yeah, maybe. But he’s coached all over, most coaches know they can’t get married to a location, and it’s hard to beat Denver as a place of living…
That is a valid question...
All we can do is look at his professional history and much of it is in the East. Now, does he have family in the East, etc? Unknown….
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and we need to remember
coming to Denver was a DEMOTION for the guy. He got a raw deal with the QB situation in SF, and much of what transpired there was out of his hands. It is was assumed then and seems just as true now that his taking of a DC job in Denver was about rebuilding his credibility. He needed to prove that the problem in SF was a situational one, and by turning a 30th ranked defense into a 7th ranked one (with warts and all) should give him back some of that credibility.
Not that I said SOME. John is probably right that a move to the east coast could simply be the next logical step for him to take on the road back into the grace of a HC position somewhere. So many threads can be teased out from this point, including playing in MIA, which sees BUF twice a year, that it is probably unneccesarry to dwell on it.
The statement that was released said it was a mutual decision, and Josh McDaniels wished Nolan the best….we have little reason to be anything but happy for Nolan. If he plays his cards right, he might get another shot to prove himself, and he deserves it.
In the meantime, Denver may move from the more difficult to run Nolan 3-4 to one that is perhaps a bit more fundamentally sound, especially if it is run by Pees. We are looking at a lot of veteran starters on defense, and Pees seems to be more of a palyer’s coach, someone that relates well with vets. If that comes at the cost of great teaching, like we had with Nolan, that will be a tough pill to swallow, but there is no way to know that yet. Pees was a college head coach, with some success turning around a poor defensive program in a short period of time, so that speaks well of him, a bit. On a side note, if Pees joins us, there may be a renewed interest in getting Jack Williams back into camp….
In short, news flash, this probably isn’t about McD. The arbitrary speculation that crops up in the face of what we know really hurts this site sometimes….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 18, 2010 6:33 PM MST up reply actions 11 recs
Well said Jeremy
I hope, and think, that you’re right.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Interesting...
In the meantime, Denver may move from the more difficult to run Nolan 3-4 to one that is perhaps a bit more fundamentally sound, especially if it is run by Pees. We are looking at a lot of veteran starters on defense, and Pees seems to be more of a palyer’s coach, someone that relates well with vets. If that comes at the cost of great teaching, like we had with Nolan, that will be a tough pill to swallow, but there is no way to know that yet. Pees was a college head coach, with some success turning around a poor defensive program in a short period of time, so that speaks well of him, a bit. On a side note, if Pees joins us, there may be a renewed interest in getting Jack Williams back into camp….
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:44 PM MST up reply actions
Good stuff, Mr. Styg
The point about the demotion is well taken. As the son of an HC, and a former HC, I don’t think there’s any question that HC is where his heart lies. Until he gets there, I expect him to churn that cream to butter as hard and fast as he can.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 18, 2010 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
I love the scenery in Denver,
but I don’t live there. I am farther south, where I don’t have to deal with shoveling snow. If I could go to Miami, I would. I’d still keep a vacation home in Denver, though…. if I could afford it. Maybe Nolan doesn’t like the cold.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
I'm hoping Bena's point is a good one... Otherwise this is a case of ...
Just one more person who prefers to work for anybody BUT Josh McDaniels! This is beginning to smell of TREND.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
Wasn't his path to choose.
McD could easily have told Miami “No way in hell you are taking this guy” just as he tried to do with Bobby Turner.
No fight and a 2 paragraph press release…McD wanted him gone.
or he respected him
Mike Tice just did the same thing going to Chicago and they respected Tice’s wishes to coach the OL and be closer to his family.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 19, 2010 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
I guess my problem is...
Why did Nolan wish to leave???
If he wanted to be back east, he could have gone last year.
I'm not sure he coulda moved east last year
He still had the SF rep stuck to him and wasn’t talked about much. My guess why he left? If it’s not money/promotion it’s generally control/authority/responsibility related.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 20, 2010 5:31 AM MST up reply actions
and from this morning's link
It looks like contract was a heavy reason.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 20, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
Not a big deal
Nolan was just as much a factor in the revamped defensive effort as he was in the collapse. His playcalling on defense became stale as the season wore on and the sacks dwindled. Our run blocking also got far worse as the season went on.
I think the scheme change was beneficial for a lot of players. It’s not like any player is going to be worse now that Mike Nolan is gone. As long as Pees is a decent play caller, our defense will still be top ten.
sorry, run stopping
But run blocking did too.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 18, 2010 5:52 PM MST up reply actions
Well, they'd be worse if Slowik came back...
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
That word - I do not think you mean what it means
I think that this word ‘Slowik’ is short for ’atrocious, ineffectual and without redeeming ability as a defensive coordinator.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
I slowiked my gameplan.
“Quit slowiking and make up your mind!”
“It was clear they were completely slo&#$^$ked.”
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 18, 2010 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
Lulz.
I discovered a new word today.
I went for a prostate examination and the doctor slowiked my insides.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:46 PM MST up reply actions
Slowiked
verb
1 – to damage something in an utterly irreparable way ex. This is bad. I’ve just slowiked my dad’s porche and he is going to kill me.
2 – to make a mistake and lack the understanding to find or solve the problem that you’ve created ex. I’ve slowked this expense report and I’ll probably be replaced by an outside hire.
3 – to make something completely unusable ex. I can’t believe it. My umbrella was slowiked after the windy storm.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 6:50 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Hahaha!
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:53 PM MST up reply actions
Good one KB
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Jan 19, 2010 7:22 AM MST up reply actions
His 2 different strategies for stopping SD were perplexing. In game one he took the Jets approach
Hit hard, blitz often and raise havoc and we won. The second game we were much more passive forgot the A Gap blitz that hurt SD and they moved the ball easily.
I like him. I hope he was back but he is not Spagnoulo, Jimmie Johnson or Rex Ryan. But we are not going to get someone like that so I am saddened.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jan 18, 2010 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
For me this is just interesting..
I’m just going to have fun with this, trying to find out more about Dean Pees or anyone else we may get. I see no point in getting stressed about this. What I NEVER want to see again is Jamaal Charles getting over 200 yards and 2 TDs in a game…
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
by stedtfeld on Jan 18, 2010 5:53 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
If you find out something interesting about Pees, do a fanpost or something. I don't know a thing about the guy.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
he's green
I think. Or so his name would imply
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
I do not think it will be Pees
I read somewhere he Stepped down because of health and his age being at like 60. People can not work forever. Who would want to work when they are 60 anyways
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 18, 2010 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
Can't we all just pray for Whirled Pees?
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Lol!
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
DC in New England...nuff said
I’m noticing a trend.
Denver players coaches in Washington
I’m noticing a trend. How many did the Texans pick up from Denver? How many ex-jets are in cleveland?
Coaches go and take what coaches and players they can with them. It makes implementing new systems easier. There’s nothing new here.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 19, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
simple question
Has any current or former player or coach said anything negative about Josh McDaniels?
by tunesmith on Jan 18, 2010 5:53 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Ya don't you remember???
Oh wait nevermind I misread the question. NO.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
Pees? PLEASE!
I’m not sure what’s going down here, but time will yield us the answers. I agree It doesn’t look good from a PR standpoint, but my guess is that Nolan wanted to interview for Dolphins job and Denver said no because it was a lateral move. This would have resulted in Nolan’s decision to resign so he could apply elsewhere? Whtaver the case, I don’t know of anyone of his pedigree to fill in…Pees is NOT Nolan but Pees could help bring some of that Patriot talent with him….maybe?
How’s that for rational discussion w/ reasonable POV?
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
That sounds about right
Hogblog…..notice we didn’t hear anything after the season ended. Just as soon as Miami fires their D coordinator, then Nolan leaves. Sounds like he wanted to be elsewhere to me.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
It's hard for me to want the Patriot influence to grow even more,
even though that team has been tough this decade. Logic says we should try to emulate them. Heart says the Broncos should win in their own way. But WIN is the key word.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Good point.
Because McD just got done getting criticized for initially refusing to let Turner make a lateral move. He’s apparently a damned if you do, damned if you don’t kinda guy with an element of the faithful.
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 18, 2010 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
put "faithful" in quotes. It's more appropriate to those "fans".
I haven’t seen much faith from those “fans”.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
And Seymour
If he doesn’t get franchised tag’d.
Or if Clady doesn’t murderlize him.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
So... It Sounds Like
Schefter is reporting that Miami asked for permission to interview Nolan. So either McD probably said no, leading Nolan to say adios. Or Nolan just wanted to go to Miami.
Read this Bio on Pees
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=28099
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
Pees: 11-5 record despite using 22 different starters on defense, including four rookies
The Patriots have averaged less than 20 points per game allowed in every season that Pees has been defensive coordinator. In 2008, the Patriots allowed 19.3 points per game and achieved an 11-5 record despite using 22 different starters on defense, including four rookies. Pees’ 2008 defense ranked second in the NFL in forced threeand- out percentage (30.6) and helped give the offense the second best average starting field position in the NFL.
Thanks for the info. We’ll be lucky to get this guy.
broncorat
"Our word for the week has been accountability...and anyone that showed any indifference to that, we’ll play without them, and we’ll play well anyway."
regardless
this really adds more fuel to the “McD doesn’t play well with others” fire to me. I mean, this is 3 key coaches and 3 key players who don’t want to be in Denver.
I know that you can come up with independent explanations for any of these (Cutler could be traded at a profit, Marshall and Scheffler are babies, Dennison/Turner would rather coach with Shanahan/Kubiak, Nolan would rather be in Miami or whatever). These are all perfectly reasonable explanations taken individually. But at some point, if enough such explanations are needed, McD is head coach and this much drama does reflect on him. I mean, it is a fact of life in the NFL that there are other teams out there always, other coaching staffs, etc.
He’s only had one season and I think McD deserves the benefit of the doubt, but this certainly does not reflect well on McD at this point.
by bushwah on Jan 18, 2010 5:59 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
It adds fuel to the fire if you want it to add fuel to the fire
Assistant coaches bail all the time. Some don’t work out or are bad fits. Some get better offers. Some were mainstays on previous staff but weren’t a fit with new staff who gave them a chance. Some change their mind or want to move geographically, due to family concerns, tastes, change of lifestyle, or again better offer.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
you're forgetting an important question though which you answered and then try to dismiss
Why. Why they didn’t want to be in Denver this year and it will probably give you three different answers that mostly don’t concern the HC. Dennison is a no-brainer.. move from Oline coach to OC. Turner as well. Reunite with old buddy and promotion to boot. Good for him. Nolan’s reasons will surface.
More of a PR reflection than anything. Dennison and Turner were holdovers who were asked to do a lot of new things in this new system. You can bet they’re more comfortable doing what they’ve always done instead of staying for lower pay, lower role. If they would’ve left last year, I think it would’ve made less newsprint.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
So...
Bobby Turner wants to follow the guy that created the system that matches his expertise ,who gave him a shot in the NFL, who he worked with for a lot of years, and that has to be because of McD and couldn’t have anything to do with loyalty, comfort level, etc.
Rick Dennison toils for years as position assistant, comes up the ranks with a guy, and when that guy offers him the prestigious title, and the responsibilities that help his career track, its has to be McD rather than a promotion that drove him out of town.
Both were so determined to get the heck out of dodge that they both deliberated for at least a couple of days before accepting the new position….
Come on, man.
As for Nolan, I think letting the details sort out might be prudent…but it reminds me a lot of when Mike Hiemerdinger bolted Denver after one year for a lateral move….
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 18, 2010 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
yep
could be perfectly rational reasons for all of these moves. Of course. Let’s hope so.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
Reality
Ride the tsunami of emotion because it is fundamentally human. It’s how one deals with reality that determines the present. Whomever we get I hope he is a good motivator and teacher…wouldn’t bother me an ounce if he were another young buck as long as those were the predominant qualities.
Wow.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:04 PM MST reply actions
Maybe Dom Capers likes the mountains better than Cheeseland?
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Well, we just lost the sexiest DC in the business.
Just saying…
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:09 PM MST reply actions
When this all passes
Maybe we can take a moment as fans to realize how lucky we were to even have him…
Good luck Nolan, thanks for the defensive turnaround!
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 18, 2010 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
That's true.
Even if the we end up better for it (or not), I’ll still be glad he was a Bronco in 2009.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
Wonder if Megan Fox knows her way around a 3-4
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 18, 2010 9:37 PM MST up reply actions
If I were a player,
it would motivate me to make her scheme successful to keep her on the sidelines as long as possible.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Hehehehehe...
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
i just hate that
Nolan would rather be elsewhere (given a lateral move) when there should be so much excitement at rebuilding this team! How could you give up after only one season without a damn good reason?!!
I know I hate not proving myself right in my endeavors, why would Nolan not want to stick around and ‘be right’ here? Surely he put a ton of work in, right? Just to give it up as a FAIL and move on to a similar position and restart?
Doesn’t sound right to me.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 6:11 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
This may be sacrilege since a lot of people seem to have lionized Nolan
but is it possible, just possible, that he really didn’t do that great a job as DC in Denver and that they can do better? Is it possible, just possible, that he wasn’t really the savior of the D that he seems to have been made out to be? The defense collapsed in the 2nd half of the season. Now granted, that happened the year before, when he wasn’t around, and clearly they need to add some personnel on defense, but the buck stops with him. His schemes that worked in the 1st half stopped working and he didn’t seem to make very good adjustments, from week to week, and within each game. I for one will miss his suits but not the man and dont quite get the mass freak out here.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Jan 18, 2010 6:12 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
if that's the case... are you ready to make that decision after only one season?
If you are… how about our HC?
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
Oh I'm not ready to be a defensive coordinator
not at all! ;-) Oh wait, I misread that…
I probably wasn’t clear, I agree with Exile that he did a pretty good job, I just don’t think he’s irreplaceable. I think his experience was a good fit for this transition season but the team might better use a more progressive DC who can work with the personnel, with the drafting of more defensive players, and who can be more creative and forward thinking when it comes to defensive schemes. He’d had some personality clash issues as a HC here in San Francisco and while I was happy to have him as a DC where he’d had more success I think back to that in wondering whether maybe they could find not only a better mind but a better personality to work with McD.
I certainly don’t get the feeling McD wanted him gone as soon as the season ended or felt he’d done poorly, so I don’t want to give that impression.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Just Curious
I just caught this – I was breaking down film from the Chargers/Jets game. I have to admit – at first I was surprised. However, that quickly changed.
Becoming the defensive coordinator for Bill Parcells is one of the big apples on the NFL tree. I can understand this purely on that basis, although I’m sure that there’s much more to it. However – isn’t this a good thing? Weren’t people complaining fiercely about the problems that we have on defense? After the first 6 games we went 2-8 – didn’t folks expect that heads would roll and things would change? Week after week of people not doing their jobs, overpursuit on the backside, poor gap discipline and it’s a surprise that Nolan is moving on?
I have no idea who’s at the center of this. It could be so many things (and is almost certainly a combination of them) that just expounding on my emotions doesn’t do it for me, but regardless – I really have a lot of respect for Mike Nolan, but the team’s defense looked poor much too often as the season went on.
Dennison and Turner want to play with Shanahan – is there a fan who didn’t see that coming on some level? Mike will change some things, but the loam that grew his running attack came from Turner and Dennison. Dennison is getting a promotion and Turner will, at the least, get more money. This is all pretty normal stuff, folks. Nearly every team has a lot of movement – it’s the modern NFL.
My best to Nolan, Turner and Dennison, all of whom are class acts. I hope for good things on every day that they’re ot playing the Broncos. By the way, Bronco in Exile – it’s not just you, and your’e not nuts.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Doc Bear on Jan 18, 2010 6:12 PM MST reply actions 9 recs
haha
Thanks Emmett. My wife may disagree. :)
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
We couldn't stop
anyone when it counted down the stretch drive. 4th qtr in Indy, Raiders, Eagles, and Chiefs. I trust McD. He wants to build a champion and Nolan wasn’t the answer. Next up Marshall?
by rocko1 on Jan 18, 2010 6:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Another excellent point
about joining the Parcells coaching tree! rec rec rec
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 18, 2010 9:39 PM MST up reply actions
I'll tell you what...
We’ll definitely be underdogs again next year at this rate
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
What's wrong with
that? ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
sweeet
vegas had us 40:1 last year. I hope they do that again.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously
The only time I ever bet on the Broncos was the over and under 6 wins; was also the only time I won 200 bucks, too.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
I can handle that.
:)
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
He'd give MF McD a MFn run for his MFn money.
And Romo might punch players more than Cable. But it’s the ROIDS talkin….
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Do not panic so much my friends
For we have many many many years of experience, and knowledge on our defense! Along with key leadership all the way around the field! What Nolan brought with him stuck with our defense they will stick together and when a New DC comes in they will be ready for any task they need to take at hand! Trust me folks you need to never let doubt grip you! just always have a faith that in the end our broncos will still represent their colors to the best of their abilities that’s all we can ask for as dedicated fans ! The rest of it will work itself out always.
by BroncoNation8908 on Jan 18, 2010 6:15 PM MST reply actions
And I fart cherry blossoms after a night of W Turkey and Guiness
sorry not feeling the happy happy joy joy bit just now.
HAH
I don’t think any of us are exactly in a “Happy Happy Joy Joy” mood right now ha ha! I am just saying you gotta just sit back an see what happens!
by BroncoNation8908 on Jan 18, 2010 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
kidding really. I'm sitting back waiting as we write...
a lot of my chatter here is idle. (the obvious responses ring in my ears lol) Anything to be talking Broncos…
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 6:40 PM MST up reply actions
Baffled
Absolutely baffled. Maybe also confounded. A bit punch drunk and delirious as well.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
Do you think they'll contact Jay Cutler
to consult on the hiring process like he’s doing for the OC position in Chicago?
Hahaha.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
My bet is that the Broncos will promote from within...
linebackers coach Don Martindale or secondary coach Ed Donatell would be my guess. Not saying that I am thrilled about either is DC but just think that is how things will shake out.
The broncos are very intersted in Pees....
According to Adam Schefter, the Broncos already are discussing former Patriots DC Dean Pees, who worked with Denver head coach Josh McDaniels in New England.
Adam Schefter reports that Nolan was as good as gone....
Before Broncos and Mike Nolan parted ways, Miami sent in request for permission to interview him for defensive coordinator job.
He is also reporting that...
Broncos already are discussing former Patriots DC Dean Pees, who worked with Denver head coach Josh McDaniels in New England.
the question is why the lateral move
money? city? relationship with HC?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
indeed. if i may add a few possibilities...
more attractive in terms of talent? better chance of winning? less interference from the HC? more say in the draft?
Realistically what 3-4 DC's are available
Is there an up and comer out there that’s employed right now that is due a promotion?
Adam Schefter is reporting ....
Broncos already are discussing former Patriots DC Dean Pees, who worked with Denver head coach Josh McDaniels in New England.
Also Adam Schefter is reporting that....
Broncos already are discussing former Patriots DC Dean Pees, who worked with Denver head coach Josh McDaniels in New England.
The interesting thing is that McD worked with the D-backs in NE.
Did he and Pees work together? And if so, how well does Josh know him. He may not merely be a former NE guy, but someone that Josh actually knows and therefore perhaps knows is suitable (or not) for the job.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe Josh will do what Lane Kiffin did
and hire his dad to be DC
by Broncolorado on Jan 18, 2010 7:12 PM MST up reply actions
That's nepotism gone bad...
Imagine if he did a poor job… that’d be an uncomfortable conversation.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
Pees, Pees, release me...
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Shut up with this Pees jokes before I really give you a Pees of my mind!
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
As I mentioned before....let's just pray for Whirled Pees
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
He is a great coach! Here is some info.
The Patriots have averaged less than 20 points per game allowed in every season that Pees has been defensive coordinator. In 2008, the Patriots allowed 19.3 points per game and achieved an 11-5 record despite using 22 different starters on defense, including four rookies. Pees’ 2008 defense ranked second in the NFL in forced threeand- out percentage (30.6) and helped give the offense the second best average starting field position in the NFL.
Here is the rest of the info on him:
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=28099
Just google him
He sounds like a good coach. Familiar with the 3-4 to boot. He wasn’t fired, just decided to become a free agent.
the afc west is like a repo depot
for old Pat’s coaches these days
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
What I'm worried about is how this will impact our ability to pickup free agents...
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 18, 2010 6:44 PM MST reply actions
No one wants to come to a potentially unstable team.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 18, 2010 6:46 PM MST up reply actions
dawkins, hill, goodman, holliday didn't mind last year
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
...despite how that reloading-season went.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
Apparently McD is a good salesman.
He may be too tough for some of the wussier players, what with the practicing in pads and all, or too brazen to stroke the egos of divas, but he attracted some good people here somehow.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jan 18, 2010 7:09 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Gosh, that was fast ;-)
Makes you think this may have been by design after all, or something both parties, Nolan and McDaniels, wanted.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
The truth is
we’ll never know the truth. As with any of the events that take place inside the NFL we’ll never find out exactly what happened. I wish I was a fly on the wall at Dove Valley. There’s got to be someone who knows somebody who works there that has some inside info. I knew a dude who worked for the Raptors and he told me interesting stuff all the time.
Does anyone know the janitor at Dove Valley?
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:11 PM MST up reply actions
He used to be the patriots janitor
by Broncolorado on Jan 18, 2010 7:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
well played....
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Okay, that's a good one!
Major lulz.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
:) This is the funniest I've seen a thread in quite a while.
I'm glad we had this talk.
(signature courtesy of TJ Johnson)
by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
and he often checked in
as an eligible receiver in goal situations.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 19, 2010 12:04 AM MST up reply actions
Jim Armstrong contributes
his own drool marks, er, words, on the subject of DC coordinator changes in Denver. If anyone’s interested. I won’t link to it here because it seems rather lame, imho.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
he's an offensive guy
OC of the prolific Vikings of the late 90’s. Not D.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 7:10 PM MST up reply actions
Why oh why did I just read the comments
on the Denver Post’s article about this? You’d think I’d have learned from the last time. The whole comments there have been taken over by angry, Johnny One-Notes who look for every opportunity to bash McDaniels in childish ways without ever making any kind of coherent or fairminded point. Really sad. Makes me appreciate the folks here, no matter what your opinions, and the fact that there are at least moderators on the job here.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Dean Pees new defense
Looks like we are installing the new “piss on you remix” (Chappelle show) defense. Can’t wait!
by CastorTroy on Jan 18, 2010 7:15 PM MST via mobile reply actions
hahahaha
Hopefully that defense scares the Pees out of all the offenses in the NFL.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
Pees on YOU, pal. LOL
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
peace, man....
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 18, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
As long as it isn't a pees poor defense, I'll be happy.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
Every quarterback Pees in his pants when he faces a Pees defense.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
gross
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
You can Pees some of the people some of the time and Pees none of the all of the time...
wait…….what?
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
dude
enough with the jokes you’re pees-ing me off….just kidding
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
that's Dudette to you ...:P
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
just to appees you, I will :)
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Look at that.
That’s how adults become Peesmakers. Kudos to the both of you.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
oh pees off....:)
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
Oh my God. This post went from bitter and rife with ire
to cheesy and corny on no time.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Hahaha...
I’m loving your posts.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:23 PM MST up reply actions
Pees...... my mind is baffled with the numerous ways that Pees can be used.
I’m out of here. I see a bowl of Reese’s Peeses with my name on them.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:24 PM MST up reply actions
Pees Out Tdot. Have a MF Peesful evening.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
So if he signs a contract, will this be the McDaniels-Pees accord?
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
oh my...
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
pees porridge hot
pees porridge cold, pees porridge in the pot, nine days old.
pees porridge cold, pees porridge in the pot, nine days old.McDaniels talked with Pees nine days ago…
there …fixed :)
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Wow some of the people that post on Broncotalk
are as bad as the denverpost
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 18, 2010 7:25 PM MST reply actions
Harsh.........
lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, I believe you.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
It's funny...
I was actually telling myself not to come on MHR now because I have other stuff to do and I figured I’d just waste time reading about more early mock drafts. If there’s news, it’ll come tomorrow, right? Nothing big happens at that time of the night…
Boy, was I wrong…
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:27 PM MST reply actions
Wow we are going to have Pees jokes
all year if he gets fired lol
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 18, 2010 7:27 PM MST reply actions
this could be the best move
the Broncos have ever made….for the comedy alone
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
and we sorely need some comedy around here...
I mean something other than what comes out of Dove Valley Days
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
I bet any Patriots fan that's reading this article right now is rolling his/her eyes...
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
and saying man, I wish we would have thought of these....
oh wait….lol
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Hehehe...
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:30 PM MST up reply actions
lol
From a pats fan “Amatuers. I thought of better Pees jokes in my sleep. These are Pees poor.”
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:30 PM MST up reply actions
lol!
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 18, 2010 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
I bet he thought of those while Peesing his sheets...
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Pees, I hope that doesn't happens.
I’d Pees in my pants.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
The Pats generally have a good defense
why are we hating on Pees?
This might be Pees next DUTY!
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jan 18, 2010 8:17 PM MST up reply actions
Well this sucks!
Regardless of whether it was McD’s decision or Nolan’s, I would like to see a DC stay for more than one season at least……..some consistency here. Nolan is one of the few coaches out there who really knows how to run a 3-4. I am glad Josh brought that to Denver, however I hope he gets a guy that knows his stuff so we can keep the same guys for awhile.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Pees is most likely the guy,
He know the 3-4, and apparently he and Josh have a good relationship.
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
WHAT???
I would like to see a DC stay for more than one season
You mean DCs can actually do that??? I thought there was some league imposed rule on us or something! LOL
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 18, 2010 8:20 PM MST up reply actions
Only in Denver it seems
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jan 18, 2010 8:24 PM MST up reply actions
Good Luck To Mike Nolan
He is like Don Quixote, he goes wherever the wind blows. He won’t be with the Dolphins for long either but they’ll enjoy his expertise. We’ll see how things go but I will not cast stones at Mike Nolan. I just know as a communication graduate from Southern Utah University, communication is paramount in all relationships.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jan 18, 2010 8:52 PM MST reply actions
no question, wish him luck.
or not. He’s not a Bronco anymore.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 9:24 PM MST up reply actions
No deal.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 18, 2010 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
McDaniels Hater from Day 1?
I Think so
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 18, 2010 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
worse than wade?
Oh, do we love Reeves these days or not?
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 18, 2010 9:23 PM MST up reply actions
MHR -
where sudden news of change shocks us, pulls us apart, pits us against each other, then tires us out, makes us delirious, forces horrible puns, and pulls us back together into one big happy family again. I respect each and every one of you. And I haven’t had anything to drink. Thanks for the debate and the place to cool off after shocking news.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
We'll wake up in the morning,
dust the sleep from our eyes, and discover that Doug has some snide comment about this change, and how we’re hiring John Madden to run our defense…. and Jeremy Bates to run the offense…. and how Bailey and BDawk and Clady and Harris have been released.
I’m just sayin, expect the unexpected, cause it never seems to be over.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
and so, it begins...
our best offseason move, bar none, gone. for likely a lateral change as dc? puzzling at best, and troubling. as far as the assistants staying, not likely. the new dc will want to bring in his own guys, i would imagine, even if it is a promotion from within. this sets the d back, no matter how you slice it.
don’t know if the pees guy is aggressive, but he better be. the biggest problem with the defense in the second half of the season was a surprising lack of aggression, and standard 4-man, and even 3-man rushes(which i despise). don’t know if this was a decision based on performance or whatever, but we got soft in a hurry.
swarming to the ball? no. confusing qb’s? not really. gap control-gone. we regressed, certainly, but i still thought we had much to build on. continuity, again. in my opionion, our front-7 ran out of gas, and they will again without an upgrade in talent. what a way to kick off this offseason, eh? wow. hold onto your hats, people, it’s only just begun. again
taste my blitzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense
by davecheffy on Jan 18, 2010 10:07 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more with this:
the biggest problem with the defense in the second half of the season was a surprising lack of aggression
Starting with SD II, I found myself very puzzled with this. Watching the Jets use basically the same game plan to contain the Chargers as the Broncos did in SD I (with great effect, especially in the second half) reopened that old wound. Whether thats on McD, Nolan, or both, I don’t know, but my biggest criticism of Broncos coaching this year is the belief that they tried to get too cute— tried to avoid being predictable— to a fault at times. Granted, they had an excellent secondary that could handle more pressure, but sometimes you have to let the players play to their strength. IMO, at least, Williams and Davis were very effective blitzers when given the opportunity— but they weren’t given very many opportunities starting right around Week 8.
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 18, 2010 11:01 PM MST up reply actions
It reminds me of a scene from Bravo Two Zero...
…when the commandos are stuck in a wadi in a hopeless situation. The guy explains that when faced with overwhelming odds, you attack. It seems that when your front is limited by size and journeyman talent, you’d be better off attacking rather than waiting to be attacked. I think Denver got too passive on defense…again.
Sorry for the double-dip….
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 18, 2010 11:06 PM MST up reply actions
it's cool if you're talking to yourself
and I think that you stressing DaveCheffy’s point is right. All preseason all we heard was DJ’s enthusasim that this was an attacking defense. Attack, attack, attack was all we saw up until the bye. Then poof. Like they were thinking, the other team is planning for our attack so we’ll drop back and they’ll be thrown off. But they weren’t. They had time in the pocket and plenty times made us pay for having no pressure. I don’t want to say there was a shift in strategy during the season, but I saw less “attack” as the season went on. Of course, the ideas could carry that the team was tired, beat up, not up to attack. Maybe they came out too strong in attack mode and ran out of gas for the long stretch at the end. How come every answer or observation just leads to me having more questions? :(
I'm glad we had this talk.
(signature courtesy of TJ Johnson)
by BroncoInExile on Jan 18, 2010 11:11 PM MST up reply actions
Good observations, guys.
I think you are right , the defense started to think too much instead of attacking, staying in their assignments and reacting to the play in front of them. Trying to outthink the offense is usually not a good stradegy. Play to your strength and let good things happen.
Rotation and depth make a difference in keeping guys fresh. Also winning helps a heckuva lot.
First off I want to wish Mike Nolan the best. He is a class act and a very good coach.
I have a 49er fan friend who told me when Nolan became our DC that we will have an awesome defense with Nolan. He also mentioned that in Nolan’s last year in SF, the defense was switching from 4-3 to 3-4 and vice versa. The complaint from the defensive players was that they did not know their assignments switching from one scheme to the other. They needed to stay with one scheme.
After the initial shock and reading some comments, I wanted to weigh in. Mike Nolan helped restore some confidence in our D. The job is not done yet as davecheffy pointed out. That is for someone else to do. Changing a declining defense ( and offense for that matter – as we saw with the OL this year) is not a one year job. It is a 2+ year building project and continual updating to stay strong.
It looks to me that Nolan is simply climbing back up the ladder. Oddly enough, tho, I had heard sometime last year that he probably wouldn’t be a HC again. Must have changed his mind. He was successful at Oregon State if I remember correctly as a HC.
I hope that our new DC stays with the 3-4. It would be insane to start all over again.
Thank you, John and everyone for your positive comments. Peace.
As Dove Valley Turns
One thing remains constant during a Josh McDaniels coaching reign… turmoil. The best coaching job last season was on defense and Mike Nolan must get major credit for it.
It seemed like an odd mix from the start, with a coach wedded to wearing suits on the sidelines, to, well, for the sake of being politically correct here, to wearing sweat shirts with coverings for the head.
Josh McDaniels is certainly entitled to assemble whatever staff he wishes, but it seem odd that voices that provide some disagreement or different way of doing things don’t seem to hang around for long.
We will see whether New England ways will work here next season. This is it. No more excuses.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jan 19, 2010 4:38 AM MST reply actions
Getting sooo tired of all the upheaval!
Drama, drama, drama…geesh. Of course people come and go in the NFL carousel, but this McDaniels roller coaster seems over the top. I get the Cutler thing, good riddance. I get the Marshall thing, what a shame. I can even get Dennison and Turner wanting to move on, get promotions after all these years, it was nice that they hung in for a year. But Nolan, too?! C’mon, man! He had a thing going in Denver, players respected him, got a lot of respect in the press, players missing assignments wasn’t his doing. If McDaniels thinks this is the healthy way to run a football team we may never find any consistancy, which means having more seasons like this season. VERY disappointing and leaves another dark cloud over this Bronco organization.
I don't think it requires justification
He repsected Nolan enough to let him leave and go where he wanted to Coach. There’s no smoking gun or rumors of bad blood. No justification needed, just acceptance so everyone can move on.
I'm glad we had this talk.
(signature courtesy of TJ Johnson)
by BroncoInExile on Jan 19, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
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