Horse Tracks 1/19/10 - Pees likely replacement for Nolan, who appears headed to Dolphins

DPP - Broncos ask Bills' permission to interview RBs coach Studesville - Mike Klis
DPP - Analysis: Divergent paths for Broncos' Moreno, Jets' Greene - Jeff Legwold
DPP - Another year, another defensive coordinator - Jeff Legwold
CSG - Report: Nolan, Broncos part ways - Frank Schwab
CBS4 - Elway Picks Colts, Vikings In The Super Bowl - Matthew Buettner
AFC West News
NFL - Chargers sign coach Turner to three-year extension
SDUT - Chargers vow to regroup - Kevin Acee
SDUT - Spanos confident in Turner - Acee & Jenkins
SDUT - Going from sizzle to fizzle, juvenile play inexcusable - Nick Canepa
SDUT - Uncharacteristic? Playoff history says otherwise - Tim Sullivan
OT - Patriot games in the AFC West - Jerry McDonald
NFL News
NFL - Gailey now the favorite in Buffalo
NFL - Gray headed to Seahawks as defensive backs coach
NFL - 49ers name Kurt Schottenheimer ST Coordinator
NFL - Longtime Panthers receivers coach Williamson decides to retire
NFL - AP source: Dolphins' stadium will be named for Sun Life Financial
NFL - Titans WR Britt pays $865 in fines after arrest on traffic warrants
Playoffs?!?!?!
SN - AFC, NFC title games pose intriguing matchups - Dennis Dillon & Clifton Brown
FOX - Who has the edge in championship games? - John Czarnecki
NFL - Colts, Saints put controversy over rest to bed with big wins - Pat Kirwan
CBS - Divisional Judgements: Phillips is one lucky man - Clark Judge
CBS - Monday Musings - Pete Prisco
NFP - Don't buy into Roy Williams' frustrations - Matt Bowen
AFC
NYT - Home Domination, and the Jets - Judy Battista
NYT - Jets Hope Rex Ryan’s Confidence Is as Good as a Guarantee - Dave Anderson
NFP - Diner morning news: Jets stop the big plays - MIke Lombardi
NFL - Ryan's 'all in' mentality has brought Jets to brink of Super Bowl - Mike Lombardi
NFP - Callahan playing big role in Jets’ run - Matt Bowen
NFL - This time, Colts and Jets play for Super Bowl berth - Vic Carucci
Y! - AFC title game: Can Jets get to Manning? - Jason Cole
FH - Colts Gave Jets Life, Now Jets Can Knock Them Out - Dan Graziano
FOX - Rookie Sanchez shows a veteran's poise - Mark Kriegel
NFC
FH - Brad Childress Deserves Credit for Vikings' Success - J.J. Cooper
FH - Vilma, Defense Huge Part of Saints' March to Title Game - Thomas George
Y! - NFC title game: Can Brees, Favre be stopped? - Charles Robinson
CBS - It's on Bushrod to keep Brees running Saints' machine - Pete Prisco
NFL Opinion
College/Draft
NFP - Shrine Game weigh-in: East roster - Wes Bunting
NFP - A detailed look at the Leach lawsuit - Robert Boland
R.I.P. Gaines Adams
NFP - Another tragic death strikes the NFL - Andrew Brandt
SI - How enlarged hearts, like Gaines Adams', can go undetected - David Epstein
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Morning Doug...Today is the first day of the rest of the offseason!
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
Good Morning Doug, Thank You for all you do on Horse Tracks... that said,
Coaching changes is part of the offseason, sometimes unfortunate,
but still a reality in the NFL.
Go Broncos
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
I hate this treadmill
I was really hoping Denver was past their game of musical D coordinators. Especially after we finally found a real good one. Guess not.
So bring on the next one. We’re used to the routine at this point and he can’t be worse than Slowik or Bates.
Good Q&A from Legwold this morning. He must quietly simmer knowing that he plays third fiddle to ### clowns like Paige and Kiszla.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
And I’m still enjoying the Dolt loss. It’s a gift that keeps giving. Thanks Jets.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
by McGeorge on Jan 19, 2010 7:31 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, some stability would be nice...
I still don’t understand why Shanny got rid of Greg Robinson. The guy coordinated our D for 6 years, including 4 trips to the playoffs and 2 Super Bowl titles. So, the 2000 defense wasn’t great. But we lost in the playoffs because we couldn’t Trust in Gus, and we lost to one of the greatest defenses in NFL history. No shame there…
formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan
by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 19, 2010 7:56 AM MST up reply actions
I dunno
I think a look at Robinson’s post-Broncos career trajectory says plenty. He was wretched with the Chiefs, ran Syracuse (even further) into the dirt and then proceeded to mangle a proud defensive tradition at Michigan.
Frankly, I don’t know how the guy kept getting hired.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Jan 19, 2010 8:25 AM MST up reply actions
His last year in KC, the Chefs were 13-3, had a +19 takeaway differential and +152 points differential (both best in the league). I know his teams always gave up a good amount of points, but still…
formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan
by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 19, 2010 8:35 AM MST up reply actions
Yep
And that performance cost him his job. Because the Chefs couldn’t stop anyone. That 13-3 record had a lot to do with Priest Holmes, Trent Green, Tony Gonzalez and Willie Roaf. Not quite so much with Robinson.
That was also the year, if I recall, that they had one of those all-time offenses, yet lost to Peyton in the playoffs in the no-punting game.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Jan 19, 2010 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
I hear you on that
unfortunately though that seems to be the norm for the NFL anymore, nobody stays put too long these days it seems, once you find a good coordinator they are then the hot names for head coach the next year etc.. I am sure it has always been that way it just seems to be worse now, same thing with the players really, nobody spends a carrer in one place anymore.
Win now. It’s the NFL way.
Unless you are McDaniels, in which case it’s win some time over the next four years.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
Do we really have to hear this ridiculousness about McD all off-season?
I can’t wait for next year to start so he can shut you and all the other McD bashers up again. It’s going to be a long off-season if you keep taking jabs at McD that have absolutely no bearing in reality.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
by c_style on Jan 19, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey now...
I was a big McD supporter until yesterday, but even before that I had some reservations about him. I’ve supported all of his personell moves in theory, but the execution of them seems to invite criticism and controversy. For example, he could’ve benched Marshall without public questioning his toughness. The benching would have said enough by itself. he certainly seems to be a smart guy, but there also seems to be a trend of him being a hard person to work with.
and lay off McGeorge. he’s opinionated, but he can back up his opinions also. I read his posts for a couple years over on the denver post boards, where he was a rare voice of sanity, so I can tell you he’s no troll
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Jan 19, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
You supported McD until Nolan decided to move on to other opportunities?
How can you blame McD for that? Concerning Marshall, he quit on our team. He told McD he couldn’t play in the biggest game of the season when all the medical evidence said he was good to go. So he deactivates Marshall (cause he said he wouldn’t play) and people are ready to lead an angry mob set out for McD’s head. I just don’t get it.
As far as McGeorge, I enjoy reading the majority of his posts, even though his criticisms are often redundant but I get sick and tired of hearing McD bashing of the sort he just made above. How can he possibly back up his opinion that McD doesn’t need to win to keep his job? That he can just win some of the time over the next 4 years and that’s ok because he has a free pass? McD is just like every other coach in the NFL. If he doesn’t get the job done he will be replaced.
How about we as Broncos fans root for our coach to succeed since that will be rooting for our team to succeed? If that doesn’t happen then Bowlen will hire someone else. McD went 8-8 in his first year as an NFL Head Coach. Not too shabby, especially given all the so called experts were predicting a 3-5 win season for us. Let’s cheer & support our coach until he actually gives us cause for our demands to replace him. Cheering for McD to do well is cheering for the Broncos to do well which is what we all are doing anyway. It shouldn’t be that hard for Broncos fans to cheer for McD and want him to do well.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Does McDaniels have any...
…“People Skills,” whatsoever?
Rick Dennison? Gone.
Bobby Turner? Gone.
Mike Nolan? Gone.
Jay Cutler? Gone.
Mike Leach? Gone.
Brandon Marshall? Good as gone.
Tony Sheffler? Good as gone.
Peyton Hillis? Good as gone.
Ben Hamilton? Good as gone.
Lets check 'em off the list
Rick and Bobby – you know, sometimes if you’ve been working a certain way for a long time, that’s what feels right to you. McD brought in a different way of doing things. And these guys simply want to go where they feel comfortable. In addition to this, they got promotions.
Mike Nolan – Lets hold judgement on this.
Jay Cutler – You’re saying McD is the one with no people skills?!?!?!
Mike Leach – Fair point here. Popular guy in the locker room. Probably not a fair one.
Brandon – Brandon is an engaging personality, no doubt. But you gotta admit he’s a pain in the ass. He wants money. It’s about money not relationships with him.
Peyton – A skillset thing. I don’t think he deserved the treatment he got.
Tony Sheffler. He was simply not cut out for this system. He doesn’t like blocking. And he was asked to do that. I don’t think that’s a people skill issue.
Ben Hamilton – C’mon man. The guy was getting trampled.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 19, 2010 8:04 AM MST up reply actions
Well Said!
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Jan 19, 2010 8:17 AM MST up reply actions
These players are professionals with a job they get paid for. Of course it’s about the money.
Why are you at work today? For the love of it?
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
Lol This is funny and true
Why are you at work today? For the love of it?
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 19, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
Heck no!
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Jan 19, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
I think weigman provided a good example
Of how to get paid with class last year. Brandon was on that route till it was too cold to practice and he got his stats. He still made a cool 2-3 mill like orton this year with his escalators.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 19, 2010 3:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yep - that too
But I kind of meant that when I said “promotions”. Promotions equal money.
And yeah maybe Nolan was just offered more money? Makes as much sense as any other theory out there…
I’m not sure where in my comment I implied that it wasn’t about the money McGeorge? Oh okay – I’m slow – you are taking me to task on the Brandon comment? Well I’ll just say that if I want a pay rise in my office then I don’t try to bring down the entire office’s performance to achieve it.
And maybe Brandon should have done enough in college to justify being picked higher in the draft. He’s only got himself to blame for his salary. This out-perform his contract stuff is a load of crap. His contract represented what he he did in the past. It’s his fault what he is paid. Not the Broncos.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 21, 2010 2:27 AM MST up reply actions
The ballad of Rick and Bobby?
;-)
Anyway, well done sir. It’s as if those people cited had nothing to do with their being gone or benched.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Okay...
Tom Brandstater – Drafted, not gone
Chris Simms – FA, not gone
Lance Ball – PS, not gone
Correll Buckhalter – FA, not gone
Peyton Hillis – Holdover, NOT GONE
LaMont Jordan – FA, not gone
Spencer Larsen – FA, not gone
Knowshon Moreno – Drafted, not gone
Jabar Gaffney – FA, not gone
Kenny McKinley – Drafted, not gone
Eddie Royal – Holdover, not gone
Brandon Stokley – Holdover, not gone
Matthew Willis – PS, not gone
Marquez Branson – UFA, not gone
Daniel Graham – Holdover, not gone
Richard Quinn – Drafted, not gone
Ryan Clady – Holdover, not gone
Mitch Erickson – PS, not gone
Dustin Fry – PS, not gone
Ryan Harris – Holdover, not gone
Matt McChesney – FA, not gone
Seth Olsen – Drafted, not gone
Tyler Polumbus – Holdover, not gone
Casey Wiegmann – Holdover (resigned), not gone
Baraka Atkins – FA, not gone
Chris Baker – UFA, not gone
Ronald Fields – FA, not gone
Ryan McBean – Holdover (PS under Shanny), not gone
J’Vonne Parker – FA, not gone
Kenny Peterson – Holdover (resigned), not gone
Darrell Reid – FA, not gone
Marcus Thomas – Holdover, not gone
Robert Ayers – Drafted, not gone
Andra Davis – FA, not gone
Mario Haggan – Holdover, not gone
Braxton Kelley – UFA, not gone
Jarvis Moss – Holdover, not gone
D. J. Williams – Holdover, not gone
Wesley Woodyard – Holdover, not gone
Champ Bailey – Holdover, not gone
David Bruton – Drafted, not gone
Tony Carter – UFA, not gone
Brian Dawkins (!!!) – FA, not gone
André Goodman – FA, not gone
Renaldo Hill – FA, not gone
Darcel McBath – Drafted, not gone
Alphonso Smith – Drafted, not gone
Britton Colquitt – UFA, not gone
Lonie Paxton – FA, not gone
A. J. Trapasso – PS, not gone
FA’s (Unrestricted, Restricted, Exclusive-Rights); i.e. this has nothing to do with “people skills” but is a personnel decision:
Mitch Berger – FA
Vernon Fox – Holdover (released and resigned)
Brandon Gorin – FA
Nick Greisen – FA
Ben Hamilton – Holdover
Russ Hochstein – Traded
Vonnie Holliday – FA
Ty Law – FA
Brandon Lloyd – FA
Elvis Dumervil – Holdover
Chris Kuper – Holdover
Brandon Marshall – Holdover
Kyle Orton – Traded
Tony Scheffler – Holdover
Le Kevin Smith – Traded
Josh Barrett – Holdover
Matt Prater – Holdover
1) Yes, some of the people listed as “not gone” will be gone this time next year, but as of right now, they aren’t, they are still a Denver Bronco. And if they are released, released, it’s not because of “people skills”, it’s because McX has decided that his services are no longer required. Players like Simms, for example, he won’t be leaving (IF he leaves) because of McDaniel’s people skills, but because of his play on the field.
2) Look at all those FA’s! Hill! Goodman! BDAWK! Buckhalter! Gaffney! McDaniels must have said something right if he managed to lure these guys here. Could you say that took some… people skills…?
3) If McD sucked so much, the list of “not gones” wouldn’t quite be so large.
4) I didn’t list coaches, but the gist is pretty much the same.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 19, 2010 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
ill say it for him...
touche`
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
by Jay Fin Anderson on Jan 19, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
lol
TB ftw!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 19, 2010 10:14 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Doug
For those of you who think the offseason is fun, your wish is granted. It sure won’t be dull!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
On the Legwold Piece...
Its sort of like the coaches thing— it almost has me when considered as a group, but when you think through them individually, it rings of being at least a little unfair. Hamilton, especially, is hilarious— because I know some of us around here were grumbling about him few weeks before he got the hook (with a nod to aussie up there). McD’s patience with him was pretty noble, IMO. As for Smith— with the hindsight of another playoff miss— it might seem that precious developmental snaps were lost for no negligible long term gain— but the kid was undependable and wildly inconsistent. You might abide that sort of thing as a non-contender, but at the time, Denver looked to be going places. That smacks of a move that, ironically, was aimed at appeasing win-now vets who don’t necessarily care about a young CB’s developmental timeline.
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 19, 2010 8:27 AM MST reply actions
Or Alphonso Smith just isn’t very good and the extra snaps would do little more than expose this truth.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
I never considered the cover-up angle.
It does however fit against the larger canvas of the Great Shanny Pogrom Conspiracy….
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 19, 2010 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
First they came for the running backs, but I wasn’t a running back, so I kept silent. Then they came for the tight ends…..
by Chibronx on Jan 19, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
... and then they came for the fan drinking a coors light on a lumpy couch
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
I figured Nolan would get pegged for another HC position
and leave. If Pees is the guy, I’m okay with that. Thanks for gathering all the news Doug.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
If you want to be a HC Again
Not too many better resume enhancers than working for Bill Parcells.
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
Can't argue that Kfustud
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
Nolan has one more year anyway....
He was itching to get back as a head coach, so might as will look to replace him sooner than later. He already did a lot of the dirty work installing the defense and acquiring/shuffling players to make it somewhat formidable…yet unsustainable. Getting a career assistant is not a bad idea as they tend to stick around longer.
good point!
we are all scrambling for consistency, how much more difficult would it have been if Nolan left after 2 years? could be that Nolan straight out said he wanted to be back head coaching in 2-3 years, and McD wanted a guy who would be able to run the defense for longer than that.
all i can be is hopeful. otherwise i revert to being miserable. too many rough years to focus on what could be wrong, when i am in control of none of it. as a fan, i am only along for the ride, not in any way able to steer the ship. so i choose to drink my kool-aid and enjoy it as much as i can.
Go Broncos! 2010 13-3 until we ain’t!
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
by Jay Fin Anderson on Jan 19, 2010 9:18 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
great point but....
With all the talk of Pees planning on retireing….I don’t see longevity as a strong arguement for his signing….(ass-out of u and me ing that we do in fact sign him)
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
How many 3-4 DCs are available.
I would think not too many that would fit in as quickly. Then again I should look it up to know but I’m lazy.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 19, 2010 5:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously it would be nice
to get our own Dick Labeau
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 19, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions

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