Why Baltimore may not work as trade partner for Brandon Marshall
by John Bena on Jan 19, 2010 9:17 AM MST
in 2010 Denver Broncos Offseason
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PrintThe Baltimore Ravens have been a favorite target as a potential home for Brandon Marshall. The Ravens need for big-play receivers, coupled with Derrick Mason's decision on whether or not to retire, leaves the Ravens - a team built to win now - in a tough predicament.
As we all get well-versed on the implications of what looks to be an unavoidable uncapped season in 2010, Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times tells us why Marshall-to-Baltimore might be tougher than it looks -
Because of the likelihood of an uncapped year with the collective bargaining agreement talks reportedly not going well, the Ravens could be severely restricted in their ability to bolster their receiving corps through free agency.
As one of the final eight playoff teams, the Ravens would be unable to sign an unrestricted free agent until they lose one of their own unrestricted free agents. Plus, the team can’t sign that player for more money than the free agent it loses.
The Ravens would be allowed to sign just one player with a salary of $4.925 million or higher. They would be allowed to sign players with a first-year compensation level of $3.2 million that can’t climb any more than 30 percent in the subsequent years.
Signing a restricted free agent wide receiver like the Denver Broncos’ Brandon Marshall and the San Diego Chargers’ Vincent Jackson or trading for the Arizona Cardinals’ Anquan Boldin looks unlikely.
Among the unrestricted free wideouts: Antonio Bryant, Terrell Owens, Muhsin Muhammad and Kevin Walter.
So, holding onto Mason could become a necessity, not a luxury.
The top-8 teams will be severely hampered in free agency. It was designed, in many ways, to get the players and owners to AVOID the very situation we look likely to be heading towards.
All of this is fluid, and the two sides have shown in the past they can come together very quickly and get something done. As it stands now, however, the Broncos and Brandon Marshall might be together for the foreseeable future.
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Couldn't that be bypassed
with a sign and trade?Basically we still get a 1st and 3rd,Baltimore works out the contract it wants to offer Marshall,we sign him to that contract as a Bronco and get the draft picks in return.Is that possible?
The NBA Version huh?
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by dmitchell624 on Jan 19, 2010 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
It gets sticky...
With Marshall being a Restricted Free Agent. Anything is possible, but it won’t be easy.
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the uncapped scenario
Trades are far more likely in the uncapped scenario, precisely because of the lack of UFAs and restrictions on FA signings by playoff teams.
The proposed trade to Baltimore seems more likely given their lack of ability to make moves. And I’m not questioning whether Ozzie is a shrewd judge of talent & character — his is — but the question is whether he can improve his team through other means in the uncapped scenario. Marshall could help them. That doesn’t mean if will happen, though.
no goats, no glory.
Good thinking
If they want it bad enough, I’m sure they can get creative enough.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I’ve been saying this for a month now. Baltimore is NOT the likely landing spot for Marshall. Thank goodness for the presence of several other teams that have a dire need for a #1 WR.
And I’ll also say this again as well, no new CBA in 2010 and an uncapped year is a very good thing for Denver (and San Diego).
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
Well then you must skip everything I write. I know others do. I’ve been hammering Sayre saying BM was not likely headed for Baltimore. He disagrees – but he is using common sense instead of reality to obtain his conclusions. In this case, common sense does not equal reality, which is often the case in the NFL as in life.
In reality, having a lot of restricted FAs from the 2005 and 2006 NFL draft will allow Denver and San Diego to place tender’s on each of these players that allow us to obtain valuable compensation in the form of draft picks if other teams choose to sign them. The uncapped rules are terrible for guys drafted in 2005 and 2006 that would have otherwise been UFA in years past.
These rules allow a team like Denver to put a 1st round tender on Kyle Orton at something like $2.8MM per year knowing no one will sign him to a big deal when they also have to fork over a premium draft pick "premium – not in the DPP sense"). These rules help us keep players like Orton and maybe Elvis and Marshall on the cheap. Orton was making a fuss about this very thing the last week of the season. I don’t blame him on bit. He is bummed he is not going to get his payday this offseason.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
Personally,
I want to make it happen like crazy. I understand the difficulties, but getting true value for Marshall would put us in such a fantastic position for the upcoming draft. That, and with the CBA unlikely and the top 8 playoff teams handicapped as a result, there are many opportunities for an upstart team… like the 2010 Broncos.
I’m done with Marshall. I don’t want to unload him at any cost, but if I’m Josh I’m trying like heck to make it happen.
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by Sharpe as a Tack on Jan 19, 2010 9:41 AM MST reply actions
They could always make a trade.
Once Marshall’s rights are the property of another team, they can sign him to any amount they want.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Yes, the Broncos and Ravens could work out a trade....
After they tender Marshall they could enter in negotiations and decide to trade his rights. The Patriots did the same thing with the Dolphins for Wes Welker. Dolphins gave Welker a 2nd Rnd tender, and upon speculation that NE was going to sign Welker to a huge deal, the Dolphins and Pats agreed on a trade. NE sent a 2nd and 7th Rnd pick. So, the Dolphins picked up an extra 7th.
The DIFFERENCE with Marshall is, many of you say a 1st and 3rd ISN’T ENOUGH. The Ravens would have to pay more just to circumvent the rules. Marshall cannot be moved until a tender is placed on him.
So, like I said, it IS POSSIBLE, but very tricky. Unless you want to trade Marshall for LESS than the 1st and 3rd Tender.
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I agree
Marshall’s value is lower than people believe.
It should be considered a success if we can obtain a 1st for him.
no goats, no glory.
Okay, a 1st and a 4th
The man is a gamble period. I say take what we can get NOW! Two 1st would go a long ways to acquiring a couple of big bodies for either side of the line.
When does trading begin?
2010 free agency starts Mar 5. Is that also the date trading resumes, or are trades allowed after the end of the 2009 season on Feb 8?
I believe...
that nothing can really happen until the 2010 NFL Year begins in March….
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Something will happen.
Denver will decide what tenders (if any) to place on all our RFAs. I can’t wait to see how we deal with Orton, Marshall, Elvis, Kuper and Scheff. If McDaniels does what is best for the organization, he’ll put tenders on all 5 and no sign any to long term deals (maybe that is not the best move with Elvis, but it defiantly is with the other four – much to each of their chagrins).
No one can sign or trade for them before the 3/5/2010.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
I'm with you
Elvis is the only one we absolutely should get a long-term agreement with. The guy is class and talent and is still growing and learning. We’re sticking with the 3-4 and he’s a key piece going forward.
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Got some if you need it!" -EV
March 5th
is the starting point for being able to sign RFAs to offer sheets, and the deadline is before the draft. The players have until June to make a decision, but that really doesn’t come into play much.
Franchise and transition tag players can be negotiated before the start of the new league year, however, starting Feb.11th. The lack of a CBA allows additional tags to be assigned, and I believe that decision occurs on Feb. 1st, but I don’t think you can actually designate players at that time. You just officially receive the extra tags…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 19, 2010 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
If Mason wants to retire I guess he has that right.
So, holding onto Mason could become a necessity, not a luxury.
Yes, "necessary" but it may not be likely
It’s up to him, and maybe we should hope he revisits his decision from before the season and decides that now is the time to retire. It should make our bargaining position stronger.
no goats, no glory.
missing the playoffs
was a good thing?
The only difference between insanity and genius is perception.... Matthew 12:30
we had a topic here on that
The restrictions on signing FAs was a disincentive for playoff teams, although there were obviously incentives, too. As I recall, making the playoffs was alright but going too far (but not far enough) would hamper a team as far as signing FAs.
no goats, no glory.
A simplistic consideration
Obviously the team will take the best it can get for him, but we also have to believe that we are going to try our damndest to get him out of the AFC, no?
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
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