Bus Cook speaks on Scheffler, Marshall
by John Bena on Jan 2, 2010 9:50 AM MST
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PrintWe all remember Bus Cook, right? The agent for Jay Cutler and several other football players that have had bitter divorces with their original teams(Brett Favre, Steve McNair). Cook is also the agent for benched Broncos TE Tony Scheffler. Fox-31 reporter and general trouble-maker Josina Anderson reached out to Cook to get his take on Scheffler's apparent benching for tomorrow's game against the Chiefs.
Of course she did.
Here are some of Cook's thoughts on Scheffler. He was even nice enough to give an opinion on a player that he doesn't represent - Brandon Marshall.
"Personally, I think Tony is as good as any tight end in football. When he gets the opportunity he has shown that he can make big plays. Like I said, I am not the coach but this doesn’t make sense to me," said Scheffler’s agent.
Cook seemed confused that McDaniels elected to bench two good Broncos players for a game with such strong postseason implications.
"Tony and Brandon (Marshall) are in the same boat. You would think with this team having an outside chance to make the playoffs they would want to play Brandon Marshall and Tony. They are two good players, but I don’t have all the information."
One important piece of information that Cook left out. Brandon Marshall told Josh McDaniels that he wasn't going to be able to play on Sunday. Let's make that clear - Brandon Marshall is NOT being benched. Brandon Marshall told his coach that he was physically unable to go.
We can debate the handling of the situation by McDaniels, yes, but Marshall wasn't going to play on Sunday anyway.
Now, on to some more of Cook.
When asked if he was going to reach out to McDaniels for an explanation Cook seemed reticent to the idea a discussion would make a difference.
"I’m not sure I will make a call because I’m not that sure it would change anything. It’s not like (Tony) is going to be reactivated for the game," said Cook.
Cook went on to talk about Scheffler's future in Denver, if there is one -
Scheffler’s contract ends in February, and I believe the deadline is March 4th for the Broncos have to make a qualifying offer to him as a restricted player since that is what he’ll be as things stand now. The first thing is that they need to let us know what they want to do.
Scheffler is likely to be gone after the season. This offense is not as Tight-End friendly as the Shanahan-West-Coast-Offense was and Scheffler just isn't a good fit. It is best for him to find a home - likely wherever Shanahan ends up - that fits his abilities better - as a pass-catching TE, not a blocker.
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Yeah, just what I want
Scumbag Cook’s take on the situation. “General trouble-maker Josina Anderson” fits the bill nicely John.
Awesome
When the Denver MSM hyenas dig up Bus Cook, you know they smell blood. Its gonna get JC ugly out in Miseryville.
Its a nice effort, but to acknowledge that BM wouldn’t play one way or the other is inconvenient window dressing for the folks that want to capitalize on this opportunity. There is no way they’re gonna let logic or reality impede at this point.
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson "An Army at Dawn"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 2, 2010 10:00 AM MST reply actions
Man. I'm so tired of the drama.
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The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
by Tim Lynch on Jan 2, 2010 10:04 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
And here I thought
everyone had grown up and grown a pair. Is this the National Football League or is this All My Freakin Children???
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 2, 2010 10:10 PM MST up reply actions
One important piece of information that Cook left out. Brandon Marshall told Josh McDaniels that he wasn’t going to be able to play on Sunday. Let’s make that clear – Brandon Marshall is NOT being benched. Brandon Marshall told his coach that he was physically unable to go.
Where did you get this part? The quotes from yesterday don’t say that?
It is the general feeling
during the meeting between the two yesterday, that Marshall was not going to be fit to play.
Marshall underwent a MRI, it came back negative. The team thought Marshall should play, Marshall did not. That led McDaniels to come out a publically say Marshall was being deactivated.
As for quotes, how about this one -
McDaniels on why Marshall is deactivated – “There’s a number of factors that go into that, but there’s a lot of players that will play with things that are probably more difficult to play with than what he has.”
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I will rephrase — why is the media making a big deal of Marshall being deactivated, if he wasn’t going to play anyway?
EXACTLY!!!
That is my point, and from the people I have talked to, the issue is the long-term implications of what McDaniels said, not the short-term(Sunday’s game).
The dude wasn’t going to play Sunday anyway.
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I like that we don't want a team of pussies.
BMarsh is a primadonna, but oh so talented – I wish Rod Smith had rubbed off on him more…..
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Cuz they need to lob coconuts to the monkeys.
That gets it all stirred up, which means reads, hits and views. Its simple math as long as your willing to set aside personal and professional principles, which they have to do in this day and age to make a living.
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson "An Army at Dawn"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 2, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
I prefer poo-flingin'
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If fairness to the media (I need a shower after typing that)
Coach McD said it. Can’t really blame the media for reporting what was said to them.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Maybe
But the spin is clear— and nothing will interfere with that, including the fact that Marshall can’t/won’t play. That detail will die away by attrition.
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson "An Army at Dawn"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 2, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is incongrous(sp?)
McD was the one to say to the media 2 days before a game that Marshall was deactivated. And he was the one spinning it to make Marshall look bad.
Why would Marshall not want to play in as big a game as this, if he didn’t think he could be efficient and effective? And yes it would make Marshall’s own personal goals less likely to be reached, so for Marshall to say he can’t go, sounds legitimate to me.
This is what I don’t understand about this situation.
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I am going to write about that very subject, because I have a theory...
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I look forward to that theory....
because I cannot get it to make any sense to me.
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The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
hey john
as u know i hang out at ap a lot and they are already ausming a win for them
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol
AP assumes a win every week. They’re usually wrong.
Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
LOL
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol
occurred to me maybe this is all an elaborate hoax
to fool KC into assuming an easy win. ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 2, 2010 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps he doesn’t want to injure himself further, creating less of a demand for his services. That doesn’t seem very far fetched to me?
to elaborate...
he doesn’t want to stay here, so he doesn’t want to risk being forced to because teams are concerned about his injury / injury history
Maybe, but if we make the playoffs with his services
he stands to gain more by padding his numbers does he not?
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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Ruh Roh.
I’m going to do my best Brandon Marshall impression and say the following.
Bus Cook didn’t play any meaningful NFL football, so how is he qualified to say these things?
Brandon and Tony are all grown up, Bus. They don’t need you to talk to the mean man in a hoodie. They can do it.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 2, 2010 10:17 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
lol kb, buz just needed his 15 min of fame this year.
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
haha, I think he's looking for more than 15 minutes of fame.
He’s looking for some more cash monies so he can buy another house or two. He doesn’t care about Brandon or Tony. He just cares about padding his wallet.
If he can get his face/mustache into the spotlight and fan the flames for another debacle in Denver, he’ll do it if he thinks that he can get a piece of a larger contract pie from a different organization.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 2, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
Also the Draftis coming up, new meat on the hoof. ;)
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
haha
Gosh. Bus is just licking his mustache……. I mean chops.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 2, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
Scheff's a disappointment
Going into the 2008 season, I thought Scheffler would emerge as a top flight tight end. Since then, he’s revealed himself as a pass-dropper and a fumbler that gives up on his routes (see the INT late in the game vs Philly that was intended for him.) My girlfriend even noticed how lazy he looked – not just on that pass route either – and she doesn’t even know who he is!
He used to be one of my favorite players, but now I hope he’s NOT with the team next season. I think he may find the free agent market to be a little less robust than he anticipated. You have to prove yourself on the field and Scheffler has not consistently done that.
Hopefully we can get a middle round pick for him...
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thats if denver gives him a tender
seeing that most likely he is gonna be a RFA, if they dont give him any tender he will be an UFA
- Dan Noreen.
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 2, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
Josina Hater
The last time Cook had an issue with McD turned out great for Denver. If Denver wins Sunday what will Cook and Josina Hater say then?
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
McDaniels has been consistent
every step of the way IMO. And cmon folks you HAVE to love his press conference. He just doesn’t waver no matter how many different ways they ask the same question.
I’m with McD!
The QB position is set.
Josina Anderson always pisses me off...
Every time she posts something on Twitter, it seems to be with the intention to create drama…
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
I almost said something that would enflame any women around here. lol
Then again, I am married with two daughters and two feline cats….I deal with drama on an hourly basis around here. :P
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What's an unfeline cat?
;-)
War is behavior with its roots in the primal sea - eat whatever you touch, or it will eat you. John Fowles
see's bigger fish to fry
josina is definitely trying to make a name for herself and i would bet is trying to move into the national spotlight. tthe only thing is, she’s finding alot of stories. i thought that was what journalists were supposed to do.
So this whole 'accountability' issue is about Scheffler and not Marshall?
Sounds like McDaniels just lumped he whole thing into one paragraph. Marshall clearly wasn’t playing anyway and Scheffler has the accountability issues, so…Case closed.
by bfree2bronc on Jan 2, 2010 10:49 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
McDaniels and Drama
I think Josh McDaniels has done some good things in Denver this year, notably on defense. For exanple the losses have generally not been blowouts (although I watched some pretty ugly play in Baltimore).
However, I do fault the guy for being a drama queen. The team isn’t about him being the center of attention, it is about success when it counts and winning and losing as a team.
I find this selective stigmatizing of players distasteful and counter-productive. I also think it divides the Bronco Nation. No, I don’t think that McD needs either of these players against an inept KC squad, but I can’t see how his handling of the situation does anything but put himself in the limelight.
Just as I think officials should largely be invisible in a well-officiated game, I think coaches do best when they keep a low profile.
I am not sure that McDaniels has that in him, and I think it is a real weakness for him and for the Broncos.
Just my opinion and I know that others can and will disagree.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jan 2, 2010 11:04 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Looks like we're headed for another 3-13 season having gotten rid of our "best player" for the second straight year!
McD is an IDIOT! Never trade away a franchise QB…Never trade away a franchise WR! Are you crazy!
/all sarcasm
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hahaha, well played.
If we finish this season at 9-7, that is a 1 game improvement from last season when we had a franchise QB. Maybe we should trade away more franchise players, since the ratio is “trade 1 franchise player = 1 more win next season”. How many more franchise players do we have on our team? We can hit 19-0 if we get some more of them and trade them away.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 2, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
another southern viewpoint
kentucky, I agree with you that the record this year has been pretty decent given the turmoil.
My point is that at some point, McD is creating more problems that he is solving. The mid-season punter move was awful and I don’t think you ever gain much by ripping players in public.
Your sarcasm was good, Lynch’s not quite so good. I did like Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, however.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jan 2, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
I can't tell if your complement of my sarcasm was sarcasm, itself. I guess I'll take it, anyways.
Anyways, I agree about the punter situation. However, right before we got rid of Kern, I’m not sure I would feel that way. Hindsight is 20/20. We really did think that Kern wasn’t the solution because of all the touchbacks he kicked. He didn’t give his coverage a chance to down the ball and he often outkicked his coverage and allowed big returns.
Berger isn’t the answer, though.
Anyways, besides the punter, what problems has he been creating? I think that he’s solved his share of problems in 2009. He built a coaching staff. Drafted some guys, signed some free agents. Most importantly, he fixed a defense that was historically bad.
Now, we just need to work on the offense and special teams and we’re good to go.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
Well, if they are going to fall to a 3-13 prediction again, they should get on with it!
15-1 in 2010 would be nice – they may be +6 on a 3-13 forecast this year, so they should be +12 on the second 3-13 forecast, right?
Just a little too much instant drama going on right now. The 2008 Broncos weren’t a good team, and that not-goodness had been several years in the making (10, maybe?). You don’t go from not-good-and-getting-steadily-worse to a serious contender without some serious bumps in the road first and a whole lot of people turning in their playbooks. It would be nice to do it without so much headline drama, but that is the cost of the instant coverage age. Chuck Noll got to go 1-13 with his first Steeler team without some genius reporter Twitting that the coash was a know-nothing numbnuts.
So McDaniel got to remake a team that has long been on the decline on the fly, with about half the world second guessing him and a brutal 2009 schedule as an added bonus. That’s why there were all the 4-12 and 5-11 forecasts a few months ago. In the context of the task at hand, 9-7 or 8-8 is surprisingly good. If the team had played a consistently plodding win-one, lose-one season, everyone would be nodding with mild satisfaction about a reasonable if unsatisfying year. Starting 6-0 created all kinds of (unreasonable) hopes about a Super Bowl contender before the rest of the league found the team’s holes, and that start is leading to all this operatic panic. (Fortunately this isn’t a real opera, or everyone would die int the 3rd act.)
Will McDaniel succeed in this mass remaking? Don’t know. But there was always going to be a mass shift of personnel involved in the change in regimes. Players leaving doesn’t mean the new regime is failing, and if they weren’t leave it would definitely mean the new regime would not succeed.
I somewhat agree. Imagine if Josh had simply said,
" Brandon felt he couldn’t go Sunday, so we are deactivating him to be safe in hopes that he is 100% for the playoffs."
End of story if that was Josh’s statement.
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Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
I would still have prefered to keep BMarsh somehow, but cancer kills....
it may be time for a surgical procedure to remove the rest of the cancer afflicting our team. I just hope we are not doing what the KC Chiefs did by getting rid of Jared Allen and Tony G
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Hmmm..
BMarsh = Allen and Scheffler = Tony G.
Ok, nevermind…we are not going the route of the KC Chiefs. lol
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No, it will be Dumervil = Allen
…when he decides he wants to play for more than slave wages. It’s pretty clear that Denver doesn’t want to actually PAY its best players. But it’s OK to overspend on FA’s…
by Merlin Scott on Jan 2, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
There is no way Doom leaves Denver. I will be shocked out of my mind if we decide to not pay him.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
Are you a chargers fan? That statement just sounds like a charger battle cry or something.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
heh heh...
No. At least I don’t think so… I’ll have to go to the doctor and get checked…
:)
Thank God. I wouldn't wish that illness on anyone.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
As in "Taylor" Swift? How dare you?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
Are you guys serious?
I wish you fake fans would go back to Oakland. Our coach has put a team toghether that is much better and tougher than last year. Did we not get blown out by the faders at home last year? Did we not win against the browns last year only because of Hillis and his 4th and 1? Did we not get rolled by the Chiefs last year? Brandon is and has always been about Brandon and that will not change. His A** will be traded next year and I am happy. Funny how nobody is talking about the Bears 6 wins and Jays 100 interceptions? We are better than last year and the Bears are worse. Hop on board and get excited about the future of this team or get out…….Bronco fan for life!
Danario Alexander!
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!! (April 2009 prediction)
Revised to 11-5 due to reality!
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Thanks West Coast for kicking me out of the Bronco fan base
and letting me know that if I don’t follow McD blindly I’m not a fan.
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
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There is no credible evidence to accuse McDaniels of mis-coaching the team.
Anything other than that would be ludicrous to say. That would be like saying Marshall missed the passes he missed on purpose. There is no evidence to either, so why put somebody down without credible cause? Senseless babbling is all it would be.
I'd really be curious if the diehard McDaniels supporters were calling for Shanny's head
last season, and if so, were they told they were no longer Bronco fans?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
or merely criticizing Shanny if not calling for his ouster...
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
anyone ever see that South Park episode where it was Rock vs. Country?
“If you don’t like it, you can git out!”
Hopefully the Broncos tender Schef
At the 2nd round tender, the Chargers would gladly make him an offer around 2mil per year.
Then the Broncos would have to match it or let him go.
OK, what is the big deal regarding Cook and his quotes
I am not sure what anyone was expecting, Cook represents players, his job is to get them the most money and put the best face on things.
I didn’t see anything exactly shocking here or unexpected. Would you expect an agent to come out and say my client is a me first guy who wants to make a lot of money and the coach is doing the right thing in benching my client. Most agents aren’t going to do anything to jepordize their client’s interests. Why do we care what he has to say one way or another.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Sounds to me like old Bus Cook
may be looking for another client in Marshall since he came out about Marshall along with his client Scheffler. They are both RFA’s after this season, and with Marshall heading for what may be a big payday….well? Cook is the lowest class of scum in the Agent pool, IMHO.
We may be hearing about Marshall firing his agent and hiring Bus Cook really soon.
I also notice how Cook always sticks his nose in when there is a hint of problems in Dove Valley. Can somebody tell me how many of his clients are on the NE team right now? Were any of the ones who left recently in FA his clients? Just wondering if maybe he has a hard-o& for McDaniels to try and make him look bad publicly.
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