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Kaptain Kirk, Brian Shrout, Lebowski and the Bear were kicking around the last of the year's gamebooks and talking about the changes that have already begun for this off-season's personnel changes and the shakeup of the Denver Broncos. It looks like the housecleaning has begun early, and the Broncos are off to a quick start to the offseason, before the mathematical possibility of the playoffs is even fully past. Something has happened that has set off a quick change reaction that may bring some order to the Broncos.


Having Marshall sit out of a game (possibly for injury, which would be no big thing) and Scheffler essentially be handed his conditional walking papers - they'll find a way to make him valuable to them in trade, but he's done as a Bronco - was quite the beginning to the New Year. Welcome to the turn of the decade, my friends. Apparently, one current set of myths is that we only have until 2012 before the earth disintegrates. I'd like to win the Lombardi before that happens...and for that to happen, there have to be a lot of changes. That being the case, it's in our best interest to make a few good ones while there's time. It's too early to tell if these two are good ones or not. 

The news today and late yesterday were filled with stories that do not bode well for the Denver Broncos. Or, taken from a slightly indifferent viewpoint, they bode very well for the housecleaning that started last year when Josh McDaniels came onto the team as Head Coach. It's time to get the players that aren't really giving their best and give them a taste of the reality that faces them - moving vans and new cities, players and schemes.

If Marshall is really too injured to go, there seems to be some doubt in Coach McDaniels mind:

 "There's a number of factors that go into that, but there's a lot of players that will play with things that are probably more difficult to play with than what he has."

  For Marshall's part, he tossed out there,

"I don't think coach ever played in the NFL, so for my hamstring to be feeling the way it felt, it's tough for me to go out there and expect to play at a high level", as if whether or not McD every played in the NFL has anything to do with the situation. All of us had our own feelings on this. He also added,

"If he decides to take some personal shots because of the way the season is unfolding, it's not my fault." Nice one, Brandon. McDaniels' response? "The word for the week is accountability." Brandon's final word was,

"Accountability and injury are different. Accountability and injury are different. I wouldn't say pulled my hamstring-it's definitely not that bad. It's tough." And I have no idea what that is supposed to mean."
 
McDaniels' discussion of the situation hints that there is a definite problem that goes well beyond the hamstring in McD's mind. Marshall was trying to keep the problem to the injury. They aren't on the same chapter, perhaps not in the same book, much less page.


"A little Revolution every now and then, is a good thing...eh Ryan?" --- Marko Ramius

Perhaps there is a little revolt brewing. If so, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that this is happening. This is merely Chapter 2 in the vision that Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders has in store for the Broncos. The "Amoeba" is mutating and another 15-20% roster turnover will take shape as the higher life form that becomes the 2010 Broncos. Change is inevitable, and will become an annual occurrence to improve the team. Those holdovers from the Shanahan era will adapt to the "Team" concept and be accountable, or become like many of last years cuts; Unemployed. Of the players that got the axe in 2008, you can count on one hand those who are currently on an NFL roster. The fanbase may have gotten past McJaygate and the Shanahan firing, but there are still those that haven't accepted Pat Bowlen's choice of leader for HIS team. I'll tell you what though. Josh McDaniels signed a 4 year contract in January 2009, and consequently, he has a 4 year plan. You don't have to like it, but it's going to tear your heart strings if you put your Favorite Player over your Favorite Team.

Doc had been alluding in the past week about the fact that there are obviously people in the locker room who aren't really doing their jobs, and who aren't giving their all to the attempt. His feelings at this time have been that the characters would quickly become obvious. Apparently, that's been happening already. It sure didn't take long.

Many of us were fairly stunned by the Marshall situation. It could still be an injury - as of Friday night. Some among us may have a suspicion that Marshall has opened his mouth at the wrong time and in the wrong way. He hasn't been exactly quiet about his feelings that he would be with another team next year - this may be the start of that proceeding - but he hasn't been benched yet, either. While it's hard not to value Marshall as a player, his ability to create trouble for the team just won't quite go away. If he's going to be on the sales block, we'll be having a couple of more draft picks, and one of them will be a #1, coming our way.

How do we feel about this? Saddened. Marshall could be a big part of the Broncos becoming a major success over the next three years, but the situation shows that this is probably not to be. Sometimes it's better to just get something painful over with and have done with it. I don't know what it is with Marshall, but he's not much interested in being a Bronco. Josh McDaniels did not turn this into a media quarrel (If indeed that is what it is), Brandon Marshall did. This suggests the belief that he does not want to be a Bronco. Since he is still under contract, the only leverage he has left, is to be a distraction. Alienating himself to the point that the Broncos have no other choice than to be rid of him. The proverbial Squeaky Wheel needs Grease, which is a darned pity but I don't see much choice.

We've mentioned this before, but Doc Bear is a retired doc - an OMD who was a primary care provider as well as a teacher - and our co-member Ponderosa is a currently-working MD. Both have said about the same thing that Bear does about MRIs: The MRI is one of the best tests that we have at this time. However - it's not foolproof by a long way. I'm not sure if Marshall is playing games or not - no one but him seems to be - but he's got a fair point in that the MRI does not show anything, but that the test is far from infallible. Two of them on his hip last year didn't show problems, but the problems were there even so, and were found by a specialist later. I have to give Marshall the benefit of the doubt on this one, for lack of other evidence. Well, except for one bit of evidence - this quote from Daniel Graham

"While Marshall has been a good teammate this season, McDaniels was doing what was in the Broncos' best interests." Obviously, there is an underlying story here. The general consensus is that we don't know the whole story now. We're seeing the beginning of a few things, but there's a deeper story that we just don't have. 

Speaking of which, other than an odious connection with Bus Cook, Tony Scheffler is another story. We all mostly love Tony and have since we picked him up. He's got a lot of talent and he can really help a team. But Tony has a terrible habit of dropping passes at crucial moments, getting blocked out of position and missing key blocks when a play is on the line. He's also been less than money on third and long. Doc was one that really believed that Josh McDaniels would find his talent very useful, and it appears that he is willing to say that he was just flat out wrong. Scheffler often seemed an afterthought and I have to admit - he wasn't where he needed to be, too many times. You may recall a game early in the season, a 3 TE set that resulted in an easy Scheffler TD - I never saw the play again, and often wondered why. Kaptain even reported a play in Training Camp, that looked so good, Scheffler said, "that's a keeper, remember that play." Something is very, very wrong. I still don't know what. But it appears to me that the broom is off the hook by the door and the housecleaning is starting. TJ had a lot of stats that explained where Tony is in terms of his play.

The Denver Post has reported that Scheffler is unhappy with his role in the offense, but the numbers don't support this perception.  Courtesy of StatMaster TJ, Here are Scheffler's numbers for all of 2008 compared to his current-2009 numbers:    

 

YearSnapsTotal Snaps% of SnapsTargetedTargeted/GameReceptions% CaughtYdsYds / Rec.YACYAC / Rec.LongTDDrops
2008 422 1079 39.11% 59 4.54 40 67.8 645 16.1 210 5.3 72 3 6
2009 556 1012 54.94% 46 3.07 31 67.4 416 13.4 190 6.1 52 2 2

 

Just what does Scheffler have to complain about?  In 2008, he only participated in 39% of Denver's snaps.  This year, he's participating in almost 60%.  So he's been in the game more often.  Through 15 games this year, he's been targeted 46 times, or, on average, 3.07 times per game  In 2008, he was targeted 59 times through 13 games, which is an average of 4.54 balls per game.  Even if one was feeling frisky (and it seems as if Scheffler certainly is), one could only argue that he's only lost the opportunity for 1 ball per game.   If 1 extra opportunity is enough to make Scheffler this upset, then he is quite possibly entering the land of Terrell Owens.

Another things that came out in doing these stats is that in both 2008 and 2009, Tony failed to haul in 1/3 of the passes that he was targeted with. In 2008 is was 40 catches on 59 targets - 19 misses, almost exactly 1/3 - and in 2009 it was being targeted 46 times and catching 31 - also almost exactly 1/3. Yes, his targeting is down a little, but his ability to get to and hang on to the ball hasn't changed a bit and certainly isn't better. Perhaps he's upset about his total yardage stats entering a free-agency period, but if anything, his increased role in the blocking game this year should only enhance his free-agent value.  There has been a dearth of blocking TEs, and Scheffler's ability as a receiver as well as his improved blocking should be marketable.

In June, Scheffler appeared to put all of the Cutler-McDaniels issues behind him, saying:

 "We've got a good thing going right now," Scheffler said. "We've got great team chemistry. We're just looking forward to getting this offense installed and having fun with it. When your number is called, you've got to step up and make a play.


And McDaniels also seemed to indicate that Scheffler was going to be anything but a problem:

"I'm sure there were quite a few players who had relationships with Jay, and they've done a great job of saying, 'You know what? This is our team now, and these are our quarterbacks.' He's working his butt off to get better with each one of them. He's making a good impression on them, and I hope they're making a good impression on him."


What could have possibly changed? If you recall, he was upset that the Broncos traded his good friend, not to mention a QB that he had a rapport with. During Training Camp, he had a moment of doubt and took a few days to decide his future with the team. Then in June, Scheffler and McDaniels appeared to come to terms with the situation, and Tony was reassured by the coach that he was an important part of the new offense. Josh McDaniels has honored his end of the bargain. Scheffler has been on the field, and he has been targeted. If anything, Scheffler's game has evolved under McDaniels so that he is now a more diverse player. So McDaniels has actually helped Scheffler's cause.

All of this because of a few more yards and a few more catches?

There has to be more to this story. Perhaps Bus Cook, Scheffler's agent (and puppet master behind the Jay Cutler trade), will come out soon and shed some light on the situation. Josina Anderson reached out to him (ugly thought) and John Bena posted the results on the front page. It would be extremely shocking to find out that an agent advised his client to make some noise about getting the ball before the free-agency period begins.  Completely shocking. Except that we're talking about Bus Cook, so maybe shocking isn't the right term. So what happened? Is Richard Quinn threatening his Playing Time?

Brandon is showing his true colors again, proving that a leopard can't change it's spots. We all knew that he wasn't satisfied with his pay grade, and it was thought that he was worried that he wouldn't be featured enough in Josh McDaniel's new offense. Well, that myth has been debunked. Marshall is sending the same vibe that got Jay Cutler a one-way ticket out of town. If you remember (how could we not?), Brian Xanders and Josh McDaniels schooled the Bears and took advantage of their own greed. They got maximum return out of a potential headache. Hold tight and we will soon see what kind of bids come out for Brandon's services. What is the value of a Top 5 difference-making WR? Who are the likely Bidders?

It's true that Cutler would love to throw to either or both of these former teammates, but McX has milked that Cash Cow for all it's worth. If Mike Shanahan ends up in Washington like everyone thinks, Dan Snyder won't prevent him from acquiring both players. Baltimore (22nd pick), Jacksonville (12th pick), Miami (15th pick), and Detroit (2nd pick) all need a #1 Receiver. How about Cleveland (6th pick). Josh Cribbs anyone? Would Jerry Jones (26th pick) part with ROY candidate Miles Austin? Houston's (18th pick) Andre Johnson would make a good straight up trade. But would Kubiak go for it? Brandon is buddies with Larry Fitzgerald. Would the Cards trade Anquan Boldin for a chance to have that pair? In New York (21st pick), Mark Sanchez needs someone to help him succeed. St. Louis (1st pick) and Tampa Bay (4th pick) have Draft picks and need so much help that they can't really afford to bid for just one player. Tennessee (13th pick)could use the help. Then there's Seattle. They have the 7th and 19th picks and have an affinity for collecting WR's. If the Broncos get a low enough pick in trade without a receiver to replace him, do they maneuver to pick up Dez Bryant?

"What about his replacement in Free Agency. Here is the list of upcoming UFA's. See anyone you like," queried the Kap'n?

Arnaz Battle, Marty Booker, Antonio Bryant, Nate Burleson, Tim Carter, Chris Chambers, Antonio Chatman, Terrance Copper, Bobby Engram, Brian Finneran, Mike Furrey, Greg Lewis, Brandon Lloyd, Derrick Mason, Shaun McDonald, Sean Morey, Muhsin Muhammad, Kassim Osgood, Terrell Owens, Josh Reed, David Tyree, Bobby Wade, Kevin Walter, Kelley Washington, Ernest Wilford.

Marshall was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He later lived in Georgia, then moved to Florida, where he played high school football. He went to College at University of Central Florida in Orlando, so Jacksonville or Miami could be appealing to him. Not that McX would be interested in Marshall's choice of where he would like to play. Brandon will play, most likely, wherever Denver can get the most in return for his services.

A thought, almost too out there to happen, and yet... it would be a blockbuster to push them all, but could you see Shanahan in Washington, trading Jason Campbell and Haynesworth for Cutler and Aromashodu? Maybe the Bears can get a few picks back in return for the deal - can J. Campbell do a worse job for Chicago than Cutler did this year? At least the Bears would have a guy in the middle of their defense as well as a QB who can throw to players in his own jerseys. 

Peyton Hillis could very well be next. Is his lack of playing time post-concussion related, or has he truly not grasped the Amoeba concept? He might be disappointed in his reduced role, but he is too easy going to become a disruptive force in the locker room. He generally saves that for the field and the opposing team and his work on special teams has often been excellent (disregarding his problems with ball control). Has he given up on McD?  Has McD given up on him?

What are your thoughts, MHR. Is the housecleaning beginning early? If it is, who is your best thought as to the next change that the Broncos are going to make? Or is there just a lot more to the Marshall/Scheffler story than we are currently aware?    

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Which Player is Next on the Chopping Block?
Peyton Hillis
106 votes
Wesley Woodyard
8 votes
DJ Williams
15 votes
Eddie Royal
12 votes
Jarvis Moss
139 votes
Other (please explain in comments)
9 votes

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I voted other. Here is my theory.

McDaniels is getting rid of all the players who have Bus Cook as an agent. Maybe the mustache rubs Josh the wrong way (or maybe Josh rubbed the mustache the wrong way……. gross). Anyways, maybe it goes the opposite way. Maybe Bus Cook just doesn’t want his guys to play under Josh McDaniels. Who knows?

Just a thought.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by Troy Hufford on Jan 2, 2010 9:00 PM MST reply actions  

Have you also noticed, there are no long haired players on the team.

Dang, hope that’s not a hate of McD’s because I would like to have an Iupati or an Aluala.

by bfree2bronc on Jan 2, 2010 10:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think that's a coincidence.

People saw how Clady got his hair pulled by Richard Seymour and decided to chop it off. It wasn’t a coaching decision. It just so happens that we are in the same division as the oakland hair pullers.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by Troy Hufford on Jan 3, 2010 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

And so it begins...

… and continues. More power to OUR Coach and GM. I am all for this latest round of house cleaning!
Rec’d heartily TJ!

by topnation on Jan 2, 2010 9:07 PM MST reply actions  

changed it, cali, thanks....

"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

by TJ Johnson on Jan 2, 2010 9:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Btw, is there gonna be a delete comment tool anytime soon? lol

by Calibroncoboy on Jan 2, 2010 9:25 PM MST reply actions  

There should be, eh? For game threads for sure:-) I suspect that tool is coming. It's requested a fair amount.

"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

by TJ Johnson on Jan 2, 2010 9:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Conspiracy Theory

I had a couple of thoughts as I heard about the Tony and Brandon situations.
A. Once BM was back into the fold after his suspension, McDaniels tells him that he will get him back to the Pro Bowl and get him a new contract. Marshall and McDaniels do that. Then, when McDaniels needs him most he pulls up lame. I might feel a little betrayed and bitter too.
B. Tony knows that Shanny will be in Washington. He more than likely get a low tendor. Why not pull a Cutler? It worked once.
I agree with you, Bear, and the Kaptain. I’m ready for a little house cleaning, but it would be nice to get a little playoff experience in for the guys that are going to be here in the future!
Go Broncos!!

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Martin Luther King Jr.

by sbsbroncofan on Jan 2, 2010 9:31 PM MST reply actions  

I think Bus is after a big money guy

And since he has “stood up” for Brandon, maybe he is undercutting Brandon’s Agent to get Marshall to come into his “big money player” camp.
Cook is such scum I wouldn’t doubt it one bit.

Make those miracles happen - Jon Keyworth

by IgorBStrange on Jan 2, 2010 9:41 PM MST reply actions  

interesting conclusions... not sure about the premise.

the assumption seems to start at mcdaniels knowing exactly what he’s doing. i’m not sure that’s true. i also don’t know that he’s exactly a clean slate on the me-first ego thing that all of shanahan’s guys seem to be coming down with all on their own. my guess is that we’re seeing some solid reasons why 32 year olds aren’t normally brought in as nfl head coaches. mcdaniels has shown me enough at the moment (don’t think he doesn’t check my facebook page to see what i think about him) for me to see that he’s got potential to be a great coach. also at the moment, however, i think he might be a young buck trying to lay down some heavy musk on his organization and he’s using the spray nozzle instead of the squeeze bulb, at the cost of some quality talent. i hope ‘amoeba’ in this case doesn’t refer to it’s single cell quality. (came up with that on my own. sorry woody p.)

well, agree or disagree, it’s always a good read, dude.

by oxmouth on Jan 2, 2010 9:50 PM MST reply actions  

If you're going to post to this site...

…the first requirement is that you accept that the coach knows what he’s doing right up until the day he’s fired…and then if the next coach goes in a different direction, only then are you permitted to say the previous coach didn’t know what he was doing. The Broncos are your team, right or wrong, and Mr. Bowlen is always right.
Don’t like it? Find a new site…

by Chrysicat on Jan 5, 2010 7:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Nah

People around here can and will engage in rational, civil discourse. If they adhere to that, they can say about anything that they might care to – and lots of them will.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Jan 5, 2010 11:02 PM MST up reply actions  

They are both gone

Unless Pat B demands Marshall stays I say he goes to either Ravens, Jets, Seahawks, Dolphins or Redskins. I could see Sheff going to Miami as they are looking for a tight end to help out Henne (as Fasano isn’t cutting it). I think Hillis may still be a Bronco unless Shanny wants him. That is the only way I see him going or us getting anything worthwhile in return for him. I am all for house cleaning. Lets get some Team players up in here.

by BroncoMath101 on Jan 2, 2010 10:33 PM MST reply actions  

Marshall and Scheffler are gone! Nuff said.

You just can’t have a gang banger and a cutler lover on the team, it’s bad for the chemistry…HEH! HEH! HEH! Come on smile… I was only kidding. Anyway we won’t have to bail Marshall out of jail anymore.

by bfree2bronc on Jan 2, 2010 10:52 PM MST reply actions  

great post

the care you guys put into your posts on MHR is always appreciated.

it would suck to lose marsh but like cutler, we may be setup to get a nice ransom in return. it’s quite appealing in such a loaded draft.

i wouldn’t mind getting antonio bryant here. kelley washington would be cool too

by RockyMountainHigh on Jan 2, 2010 11:47 PM MST reply actions  

moss

Everything I hear about Moss is that he’s had a great attitude this season, role playing in the scout team. Maybe he gets one more offseason with their improved defensive coaching staff.

by tunesmith on Jan 2, 2010 11:59 PM MST reply actions  

I voted Moss

Just becuase he’s the largest use of salary that needs to be gone. I don’t expect Hillis to go. He can play FB, RB, ST and is good for depth. If we had a PS guy who could fill his role for the 350k Hillis makes, I’m sure the move would have been made already. I think McDaniels sees the versatiity of Hillis which he noted a ton pre-sesaon, we must have to wait to find out why it’s either not developed or that there really are that many better players in front of him.

It would not surprise me to see D.J. gone. He’s doing really well, but has been inconsistent at times. I hope that’s just him learning some details of the new defensive scheme. With the hit he put on Roy Williams this year, I would hate to miss seeing that more often.

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by BroncoInExile on Jan 3, 2010 12:02 AM MST reply actions  

The roster had better turn over more than 50% if you ask me.

Whatever the galvanizing force was the propelled us to a 6-0 start has been absolutely wiped out by this pitiful stretch. I’d have to believe that EVERYONE in the locker room is skeptical about the coaching staff. That’s the main issue with the Patriots system— it’s real easy when you’re winning.

Here’s my only issue; If the coach’s vision is supposed to be the most important part of this team, how come we’ve only seen very few flashes of it this season? Other than the Giants game, this team has not played a complete football game. The offense is beyond pedestrian, it’s bland and utterly banal. The defense did show some sort of tactical advantage earlier in the season, but we’ve had to scale that back completely because of a lack of depth and the toll of such a poor offense.

Yes, it was only one off season, but how can you give McDaniel’s anything better than a D this season? The only teams worse than us are completely devoid of talent, loaded with financial trouble, and lack any serious local support. If it weren’t for the economy, this team would find itself in the bottom six of the NFL. This team has me so frustrated that I can only watch the games in passing— any more interest would likely end with me being rushed to the hospital with a hemorrhage.

by legendarywalton on Jan 3, 2010 1:25 AM MST reply actions  

I've always appreciated your thoughts, lw

Still do, too….one question, though. When Belichick went 5-11 and Walsh went 2-14, were there questions in the locker room? If so, were they changed by the things that the players experienced during the following offseason, or was there another explanation for the improvements that soon led to SB championships?

That’s the things that grabs me – we have no link to the locker room. I’ll suggest this – as I did during our ‘conversations’ that led to this piece – there is an incident (or more) that we don’t know a thing about yet and it involved Scheffler and Marshall. This kind of thing does not, whether McD is 33 or 83 – come out of nowhere. The desire for those who generally doubt McD to believe that he’s just doing this capriciously is perfectly understandable, but to me it’s unlikely. I believe that there is a bigger issues at stake than we currently know. We’ll see if that pans out or not.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Jan 3, 2010 10:06 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

mixed feelings

though I have enjoyed the McDaniels era so far, I would hate to see Marshall gone. He seemed to have such a good chemistry with Orton down the stretch. But I guess I doubted the Cutler thing as well, and that turned out great. You made a great point and something I have been saying all year long, we aren’t in the lockerroom. With only one side of the story, we have to trust that the admin. is going to make the best moves for the TEAM. Go Broncos!

by Coachbfest on Jan 3, 2010 6:51 AM MST reply actions  

Detroit needs a #1 receiver?

Better get that fact changed soon. They’re multiple personnel people in the league that believe Calvin Johnson is set to become the best receiver in the game. Infact, i doubt half would trade Marshall for Johnson straight up.

by johnnystarr on Jan 3, 2010 7:31 AM MST reply actions  

NIce writing. I hope Marshall doesn't end up with another AFC team.

I still have a wait and see attitude towards McX, but it is unrealistic to expect good results in less than 2-3 years. A lot of the free agents they acquired did commendable work and the rookies they drafted did what rookies usually do; show potential and then make major miscues.

I just hope that Mike Nolan will stay around long enough for the offense to improve.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Jan 3, 2010 10:13 AM MST reply actions  

Hmmm linky button thingy no work. unnngghhhh.

Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.

by MrFNSunshine on Jan 3, 2010 10:16 AM MST reply actions  

wow. very enlightening.

"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.

by Jay Fin Anderson on Jan 3, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for adding that Mr FN

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by KaptainKirk on Jan 3, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Just a point of clarification.

MRI ‘s are certainly not infallible, but a tool to assist diagnosis and are open to interpretation as well as misinterpretation. This is especially true of a complex joint like the hip as occurred in Brandon Marshall last year. However, the hamstring is decidedly less likely to be misinterpreted and is actually pretty straightforward to assess. The possibility of a serious injury with a normal MRI of the leg is negligible in current science. That doesn’t mean that there couldn’t be pain or tightness, but there is almost no possibility of structural injury. Marshall can be excused for past events making him skeptical of negative MRI reports, but the reality is his injury is almost certainly minor and his decision about being able to play goes to personal accountability and not health reasons.

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by Ponderosa on Jan 3, 2010 3:37 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Too logical, T.J.

I do, however, worry that the chances of a Brandon Marshall derby have been deflated a little. Moving him for real value seemed very possible just a week ago; a little damaged now. Even though I’ve been almost exclusively supportive of McD, I still have to wonder if the coach wishes he had his public comments back— although that is making the grand assumption that the NFL internal information network wouldn’t have vetted it out anyway. But just as Denver has always had the quandary of whether BM’s talent matches the risk, other teams now are empowered with the same doubts. It will also seem a little hypocritical for Denver to tender him at this point, because it says keeping an apparent malcontent is okay as long as the price is right. Finding the match between principal and practicality are now a little murkier, IMO.

I guess what I’m saying is I really doubt that the great BM auction can take place now and that folks might want to get their expectations in check with the forces of reality. BM is the object of a buyer’s market now.

by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 3, 2010 8:42 PM MST reply actions  

In a Randy Moss kind of way?

I don’t know if this a good player to compare to…

by precisiontint on Jan 3, 2010 9:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks, PO, don't let them grind you down, buddy

"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

by TJ Johnson on Jan 3, 2010 11:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that Marshall will still bring good value

Someone, somewhere, always believes that he/they can bring a player around. Besides – over 100 catches, three years running isn’t a small value. Marshall also caught a few TDs this time.

My biggest irritation with the man is that Pat Bowlen promised him early upon his return that they would take good care of him financially and Brandon treated that is if it was meaningless. Having a lot of drops in the Philly game didn’t exactly endear him either – the fake hammie and the protests of the captains and vets about the behavior of some players really says too much to consider him as a Bronco next season, but I still feel that someone will be sure they can make it work. As in NE, with Moss, it might even be true.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Jan 4, 2010 12:16 PM MST reply actions  

We may be surprised at the value we could get from him.

Just look how desparate the Bears were to get a quarterback.

by bfree2bronc on Jan 4, 2010 3:10 PM MST reply actions  

agreed...

I keep going back to what Dallas gave up for R. Williams. I know that’s not a common deal, but wow….Williams hadn’t shown anything since he came into the league compared to BM. And I do recall some attitude issues with him as well, so it’s not like he had a completely clean slate coming out of Detroit.

by Kgrone on Jan 5, 2010 7:09 AM MST up reply actions  

A bit late...

but this is Miles Austin’s third year in the league, not rookie season.

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Jan 5, 2010 5:50 PM MST reply actions  

Nice catch Drizzt

I think I had Austin Collie on my brain. Lol

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Jan 5, 2010 6:06 PM MST up reply actions  

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