Kiper's first Mock has Broncos taking Dez Bryant
It's on Insider, but here is the gist -
In all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos will attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game.
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I refuse to pay for news... Stupid Insider
Could someone post a summary of picks 1-10 plus the full text of the Broncos’ pick?
by Velveeta on Jan 20, 2010 1:01 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
I won't pay either
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jan 20, 2010 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
I got 4 years of ESPN the magazine w/ insider for $4. So I can't complain
St. Louis Rams
Record: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Nobody questions that the top need for the Rams is a quarterback. But unless St. Louis trades down — an extremely difficult proposition on multiple levels — it shouldn’t take a quarterback with its first pick. Suh is maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I’ve seen in 32 years of doing this. He can be effective immediately for the Rams.
Detroit Lions
Record: 2-14
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
Getting McCoy both fills a big need for the Lions and is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for any team unable to get Suh. McCoy makes his living in opponents’ backfields and is such a talent he could have landed in this position last year had he declared as a redshirt sophomore.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Record: 3-13
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
This is very early for a safety to go off the board, but Berry is that kind of talent. A player compared often (not unfairly) to Ed Reed, Berry is a difference-making safety headed to a league that has seen those types (Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders) become more and more notable in recent years.
Washington Redskins
Record: 4-12
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.
Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 4-12
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won’t fall this far, and they’d be reaching on either of the two other safeties with first-round grades. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value. He also could step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.
Seattle Seahawks
Record: 5-11
Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
Many in Seattle will view the offensive line as a greater need, but Morgan fills another huge hole for a team that simply couldn’t get to the quarterback in 2009. He represents great value because he can rush the passer, is productive against the run and can even drop back — a versatile talent. Pete Carroll knows defense and should love what Morgan can offer.
Cleveland Browns
Record: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
I’m not convinced the Browns will be willing to draft a quarterback simply because the position is unsettled. In Haden, they can’t go wrong with by far the top CB on the board, a player they can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the complete package.
Oakland Raiders
Record: 5-11
Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers
Davis might not be the most complete tackle in the first round, but he is the most naturally gifted and should get better. Great feet, ideal size and he has the ability to maul defenders in the run game. After a whiff in the first round last year, the Raiders should address a big need here.
Buffalo Bills
Record: 6-10
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre Dame
People will debate Clausen’s merits long after he shakes the commissioner’s hand, but he has continued to improve, has showed toughness, has an NFL arm and, perhaps most importantly, has experience under center in a pro-style offense. That was a key for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez, and is a huge consideration for scouts.
Denver Broncos (from Chicago)
Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
In all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos will attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game.
Jacksonville Jaguars
Record: 7-9
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
This is no place to draft a guy like Tim Tebow just to sell tickets. Pierre-Paul is local enough and could be the Mario Williams of this draft class, a raw talent but one with remarkable athleticism and an incredible burst off the line. Could be a terror for QBs in the future.
Miami Dolphins
Record:7-9
Rolando McClain*, LB, Alabama
A potential home run for Miami, which needs an inside linebacker and could get the best one in the whole draft after the top 10. The Dolphins also could go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here.
San Francisco 49ers
Record: 8-8
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
I consider the right tackle position a big need for the 49ers, and getting Williams here should strengthen them immediately both in the run game and as they look to further develop a potentially dangerous passing game with Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.
Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)
Record: 5-11
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
He’s not an offensive lineman, but Spiller could be a Reggie Bush-like option for the Seahawks. For a coach uniquely familiar with what Bush can do, Spiller is a missing home run threat in the run game, a good receiver and a valuable returner. He has elite speed.
New York Giants
Record: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, Florida
This is a high-value pick for the Giants, whose defensive line depth I feel has been overstated. There are makeup questions surrounding Dunlap, but for much of this past season, he was considered the premier pass-rusher in the college game. He has the potential to be like Jevon Kearse.
San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)
Record: 8-8
Earl Thomas*, S, Texas
The 49ers need help in pass coverage, and Thomas fits because he’s a great value here, whereas reaching for a CB at No. 16 wouldn’t represent good value at all. Thomas isn’t a huge guy but can cover a tremendous amount of real estate.
Tennessee Titans
Record: 8-8
Everson Griffen*, DE, USC
Pierre-Paul likely won’t fall this far, so the Titans get a gifted underclassman who looked like a pro coming out of high school and now is living up to his potential. He already has an NFL frame, and when Griffen is consistent, he’s a strong pass-rusher.
Pittsburgh Steelers
Record: 9-7
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
Pittsburgh clearly needs help up front if it wants to return to power running and protecting the quarterback, and Bulaga is an emerging tackle with great feet from a pro-style system. The Steelers will improve immediately, and he wears the black and gold well already.
Atlanta Falcons
Record: 9-7
Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
The Falcons could use some help at OLB, and Kindle’s continued improvement throughout the season is appealing. He’s not quite in the class of Brian Orakpo, but he is a similar type of player and has proved to be very physical.
Houston Texans
Record: 9-7
Brian Price*, DT, UCLA
Price is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive linemen, but he’s a disruptive force who utilizes great leverage. He should add depth to an improving defense.
Cincinnati Bengals
Record: 10-6
Aaron Hernandez*, TE, Florida
They need to give Carson Palmer options in the passing game aside from who already is there, and Hernandez is the most athletic TE available, a guy with surprising run-after-catch ability. The favorite target of Tebow at Florida, he could offer immediate help in the passing game.
New England Patriots
Record: 10-6
Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
The Patriots clearly need help when it comes to getting to opposing quarterbacks, and Sapp is an ideal fit on the edge in the 3-4. He’s the kind of athlete who can adjust to being upright and flat-out knows how to get to the quarterback.
Green Bay Packers
Record: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USC
If you had told Green Bay in August that it could get Mays at No. 23 overall, the Packers would have been thrilled. An extraordinary athlete, Mays might have suffered against expectations, but the Pack hit a home run with Clay Matthews Jr. out of USC last year, and Mays both fills a need and has great potential.
Philadelphia Eagles
Record: 11-5
Navorro Bowman*, OLB, Penn State
The Eagles need an athletic OLB, and they get a lot of value by landing Bowman here. Bowman lacks size, but any parsing on measurables can’t overcome his great play on film. Could end up as the best at his position in this class.
Baltimore Ravens
Record: 9-7
Jermaine Gresham*, TE, Oklahoma
Gresham is so good that while he sat out his junior year, I left him on the Big Board the whole time. Now healthy, he’s a great find this late in the first round and a perfect target for Joe Flacco as an heir to Todd Heap. At a hair over 6-6 and 262 pounds, he’s the total package at TE.
Arizona Cardinals
Record: 10-6
Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
I see this position as the second-biggest need for the Cardinals, and Williams is a great value here. Tremendously strong in the lower body, he is a disruptive force against the run.
Dallas Cowboys
Record: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, Maryland
Jerry Jones knows he needs to address the tackle position after the debacle he witnessed against Minnesota in the divisional round of the playoffs, and Campbell, while still learning, is a tremendous talent at this position.
San Diego Chargers
Record: 13-3
Jonathan Dwyer*, RB, Georgia Tech
With the possible departure of LaDainian Tomlinson on the horizon, Dwyer represents the player who can handle 20-plus carries in an offense that already has a great speed back in Darren Sproles. Dwyer has ideal size and shows explosiveness.
New York Jets
Record: 9-7
Golden Tate*, WR, Notre Dame
The Jets must give Mark Sanchez some weapons in the passing game, and while Tate has question marks on his ability to separate, he is more physical than many think and has always been a playmaker. In the mold of Laveranues Coles.
Minnesota Vikings
Record: 12-4
Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Need meets value here. Robinson is the second-best corner in the draft, and Minnesota should be happy to grab him this late. Robinson has the chance to step in and contribute.
New Orleans Saints
Record: 13-3
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
Odrick is an ideal pick here for the Saints, who are looking to add stability to the rush defense. His presence helped standout LBs Bowman and Sean Lee run free, and the Saints will ask for the same.
Indianapolis Colts
Record: 14-2
Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
Graham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss. Always in the backfield, he’s a guy who can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition.
by Bustafluff on Jan 20, 2010 1:03 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
McClain is still on the board in his Mock. I disagree with this pick, now.
If McClain is gone, then Bryant may be picked by us, but I don’t think we should pass if McClain is there.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 20, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Surprised
The biggest shock to me was Kiper saying:
Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.
He’s been one of the loudest critics of Cutler from before that draft.
Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....
Well if nothing else...
Cuter’s currency value is high. We got a couple of 1st rounders and a starting NFL QB. If Chicago traded him, they would probably get a bit less but still a pretty good bounty.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
noticed that too!
not only is it highly debatable that cutler is a hit, kiper has been driving the cutler hate bus since it left the garage. kiper’s must’ve gotten confused by/when (insert obligatory kiper hair joke here).
I don't know.
I do believe that Dez Bryant is an amazing talent, but there’s two things I don’t like about him. First, he has been out of football for a year. And second, he has the same agent as Michael Crabtree. I’m not sure it’s worth the risk of possibly having Dez sit out half a year trying to get a bigger contract.
by Kapiti on Jan 20, 2010 1:03 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
What exactly about him = bust?
He’s got big hands. He’s a true deep threat, who despite not having top end speed is one of the best in college football at adjusting to the ball in the air. He’s got good size, strength and a willingness to go over the middle.
I may not agree w/ Denver taking him, but that hardly makes him a bust.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
yeah, I dont see it either
Let the guy play a few years. Sidney Rice was close to being a bust before Brett FAvre came to town.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
And he will be again when Brett leaves...
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
I like this tid bit
Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.
LMAO
"I played hurt, shot up whatever was needed to win. Call me stupid, maybe, but I wanted to win regardless of the cost to me personally."- Mark Cooper
He's been to the pro-bowl, though diviesti. lol ;)
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 20, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
We turned Cutler (the 11th overall pick) into Kyle Orton, the 18th overall pick in 2009, the 10th overall pick in 2010 and a 3rd round pick in 2009.
We also got a Pro Bowl season out of Jay Cutler.
I’d say Denver profited like crazy from that pick.
So I’ll be LMAO at you.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
We also recieved from Cutler,
An end to a promising 2006 season on the behalf of his future
An unbridled love affair between coach and player that resulted in negligence in other parts of our team and staff
1,000,000 reasons why it was someone else’s fault on the team why we lost week in and week out
3 mediocre seasons
A jersey in my closet that just takes up space now
A new reason to wish failure upon the Bears
and I’ll continue the trend and LMAO at Kipers hair cut
"I played hurt, shot up whatever was needed to win. Call me stupid, maybe, but I wanted to win regardless of the cost to me personally."- Mark Cooper
It’s a full head of hair. More than I can say for some. Kiper is weird with his neck movements and sideways stare. Creeps me out.
You forgot one mediocre season after Jay left. One sub-mediocre season from Ayers and Quinn and one scary draft pick if we waste it on Dez Bryant.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
Have to completely agree with McG here
Cutler was a huge “hit” for Denver on trade value alone…
And even if he continues on with more 2009 seasons like the current one in Chicago, he’ll still be a hit. Even if he’s the about 25th best starting QB in the NFL, that is still a “hit”. Folks expectations for NFL QBs are generally WAY out of proportion to reality.
As NFL fans the past 10 years, we’ve all be hugely spoiled by having 4 legitimate HOF QBs (Manning, Brady, Farve and Warner) playing each weak, as well as a huge crop of way-above-average guys like Brees, Roethlisberger, McNabb, Rivers, McNair, etc…. we’ve all been spoiled rotten.
Think about the late 1980s/early 1990s folks… remember how great we all though Jim Everett was… Jim Everett!!!! Chris Chandler was a probowl QB… Chris Chandler!
This doesn’t even get into unfair criticisms of the 2006 season… folks forget that when Plummer was benched he had the team averaging ~13 points per game and was running a QB rating in 60s…. Our good record at that point was almost 100% due to fluky red-zone defense stats (we didn’t give up a TD for the 1st 4 games, even though teams were moving the ball consistently on us) that eventually evened out over the season. Cutler, for all his faults, performed better than Plummer that year.
Is Mel Kiper still relevant?
I instantly delegitimize any mock draft that has us passing on McClain. Even if McClain were gone, I still wouldn’t want Bryant.
No, he isn't.
Mel Kiper, from the beginning, has completely manufactured his position of “draft guru” on his own. The man takes information that you or I could look at and makes the same decisions we would. Moreover, most individuals in the league do not think highly of him as a “football guy”, much less as a human being.
The fact that ESPN still looks to this guy shows you just how slick his whole routine is.
If we pass on McClain, who I think is a sure thing if there ever was one, I will eat my Broncos hat.
I saw this on the main page and had to laugh...
when is Mel right about anything?
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Throw enough darts and any of us can hit the bullseye once in awhile!
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Jan 21, 2010 6:32 AM MST up reply actions
I very much hope Denver does NOT draft Dez Bryant. This guy has big time BUST potential and already got kicked out of college football for fooling around with Dion Sanders. I remember Crabtree hanging out with Dion last offseason and Crabtree took until mid season to sign his contract. Mike was drafted 10th overall, maybe the exact same spot as Denver picks. YUMMMM. Another holdout. It worked so well for Moreno (can’t pick up where the blitz is coming from – ever) and Ayers (running around like a chicken with his head cut off).
My guess is McDaniels doesn’t pay much attention to Mel Kiper.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
This is one of those areas where we can all feel good about the Patriot way, which holds that WRs are to be taken in later rounds. Too many busts, too much risk, too much need to ensure that high-cost draft picks reach a higher station than Master Scout Team Player.
as compared to say...Rod Smith and Marques Colston
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
& too many prima-donnas
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
He was suspended for not mention a chance meeting he had with Deon.
Not exactly some malicious attempt to hide weeks of training. It would have been comical if it weren’t for the effect and stupidity of it all.
Everything that has ever come out of OkState is that Bryant is a humble, hard working and quiet young man. I don’t think it’s appropriate to sterotype Bryant into a Crabtree-clone, due to a few simple coincidences.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Humble and Hard Working.
They said the same thing about Rashan Woods of Ok State. Now he is bagging groceries at Aldi a few years after going in round 1.
I HATE the idea of taking Woods with the 10th overall pick.
I'm so angry at the Broncos right now.
Oh no, you're absolutely right
Dez Bryant isn’t a better WR than Rashaud Woods at all………..have you even seen this kid play? I get the distict feeling the answer is no with a slight chance of “once or twice I saw him on the TV at a bar.”
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
More to my point.........
former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah had high praise for Bryant via Twitter this week: “I have said all along that I thought Dez Bryant was better WR coming out than Crabtree … Haven’t found a scout/exec that disagrees.”
-From ESPN Insider.
And the preceived similarities b/w Bryant and Crabtree continue to dissapate……….
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Besides what's the point of having a big time receiver when
A. The QB doesn’t have enough time to throw the ball since the O-line is collapsing
and
B. The Offense is off the field because the Defense can’t stop the run.
We really need to be addressing either line at the beginning of this draft
by CombatChuk on Jan 20, 2010 1:55 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I was going to write the exact same thing...
What the HELL would we do with a “deep threat”???
by miner00 on Jan 20, 2010 4:37 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's do something crazy and assume that Kiper is right
If things play out this way, that’s a lot of excellent interior OL prospects who will be available in the second round.
Tthat is so crazy.... that it just might work.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 20, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
I guess my finger had a stutter. I meant "That".
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 20, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
People saying we pick Dez are just completely bonkers
Sorry if that offends anyone, but that doesn’t fit with either the team’s needs or the best available person looking at this draft board.
We need lines…defensive lines and offensive lines.
We need line backers too. I’m good with McClain, I’m good with help for either line in the first round.
There is no way we pick a WR in the 1st round unless we acquire a second pick and he is the best available.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Sorry if that offends anyone
Kiper doesn’t have feelings, so you’re in the clear.
If you insult his hair, on the other hand, then we are in completely different territory.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 20, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
I dunno 'bout that
he got pretty pissed at Todd McShae once…pretty sure that’s on youtube
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
You misremember.
It was Kiper’s hair that got upset and yelled, using Kiper’s body as a puppet to unleash it’s fury. That’s why his hair is so big. It is sucking the juices from Kiper’s brain like a plant taking water from the ground and then uses the energy to control the rest of the body, replacing the functionality of the brain. It’s basically medical fact. They refer to it as M.Kiper Hair Pinocytosis Syndrome (MKHPS).
The giveaway is that Kiper has no emotion because he’s an empty vat of arrogance. His hair, on the other hand…… Let’s just say that it doesn’t like being insulted.
By the way, if you really believe that your hair sucks brain juices and wish to ask your doctor about it because you think your hair is taking over your actions, keep in mind that only one case has every been confirmed. Unfortunately, Mel Kiper suffers from it. There is no known cure. :(
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 21, 2010 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
Don't agree with Kiper
If we draft a receiver I will really start to question McD. We need Defense Defense Defense.
May I suggest a change?
Draft the core, core, core. Guys who are around the ball at the pre-snap, not ouside players.
Every time I look at Kiper, I expect him
to start telling me about his “Lock of the week!” He just oozes a certain kind of class.
I agree...
and this also is contingent on what we get for Marshall. I think there’s a camp out there that says any WR is a flake and a sure bust and we ought never to draft one. I’m not worried about our O-line as it was hurt mostly by injuries to Harris and Kuper. I agree we need another Guard to protect the run and a top-flight DE would be nice but yeah, after McClain, I’m not at all against Bryant.
I'm still of the mind that Marshall will be a Bronco next year....
I’m in an ever-thinning group, but I just don’t see the end of the season as the “death knell” for BMarsh.
I could be wrong…..
The Mile-High Magic must be rediscovered!
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
I'm with you.
I think Denver matches any reasonable offer he gets. His talent level is clear— but he’s not getting elite money from anybody for a variety of reasons. Even if some GM was apt to make an all-in desperation move for him in a normal year, the timing is bad with the CBA uncertainty.
On the outside chance that Denver just wants to be done with him, its going to be a buyer’s market. Denver will be lucky to get a 2nd rounder in that scenario.
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 20, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
I think he is here as well
but he is a great ball control receiver and we do need a real deep threat
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jan 20, 2010 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
I kind of agree
Worst case we tender him RFA for a 1st & 3rd…. and he can play or stay at home.
If some other GM wants to pay that for him, great… but you have to wonder if the market is really there….
That said, I think Bryant is overrated as well....Excellent, but overrated.
The Mile-High Magic must be rediscovered!
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
I would much rather keep Marshall
Than drafting this guy. Seems like a lateral move. If your drafting by the “patriot way,” doesn’t that include trading down most of the time? I wouldn’t mind trading down and picking up a couple of stud o-lineman.
by aldawg33 on Jan 20, 2010 4:24 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Kiper is dumb
If we draft Dez because Marshall is gone, then why doesn’t he project what other team’s #1 pick became ours? Unless he thinks that we won’t get a 1st for him?
WR is the most overrated position in the NFL, no need to draft one that high anyways.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
I like Bryant as a compliment to Marshall...
…but the idea of picking him to replace Marshall is typical MSM/Kiper expediency. I’m pretty sure that if Denver values the position enough to give an unproven rookie gobs of money, they would also assume the inherent risks of giving Marshall gobs of money.
I think people need to get beyond the idea that BM’s feelings matter much. It doesn’t matter if wants to be a Bronco— it just matters what risk the Broncos want to assume. I don’t see a huge difference in risk between BM and all his baggage and Dez Bryant, who has not yet shown tangible evidence that he is an NFL player.
Basically, I’d love this pick if BM remains a Bronco— would see it as a lateral-move/waste of pick if Denver lets Marshall go. It’d be less than kissing one’s sister….
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 20, 2010 7:11 PM MST reply actions
Gawd, could we please draft to our more immediate needs?!!
Come on! we have viable receivers even if we fail to keep BM! If we’re going to keep KO for at least one more season… let’s protect him!!
…or how about some defense? Anybody know the average age of our defensive stars these days?
Here’s to hoping McD shows us this draft…. why we hired him.
Draft a NT & MLB
I’d like to see Dan Williams of TENN clogging up the middle of the D in 2010.
They really need a true MLB as DJ Williams is not the right guy for that job. He isn’t strong enough to get around blockers and doesn’t stay in position. I heard someone refer to him as a" freelancing" MLB which means that he gets out of position far too often. McClain or another MLB with some size and speed would be nice to grab as Denver has passed on so many MLB prospects and have struggled since the loss of Al Wilson in that department.
As for Cutler I could care less as he is no longer a Denver Bronco. The same goes for any player that no longer plays here or doesn’t want to be here. Good riddance.
Bryant V. McClain
I think Kiper hit the mark.
Given the caveat that we trade Marshall, which we’ll probably do if we get a reasonable offer, Bryant is good choice.
My own MOCK from Dec. 7 had McClain as our 1st choice so I’m not arguing against his selection. It may come down to who is still available. Both are BPAs around the time we pick and both fill needs, although WR is probably the greater need if Marshall is gone. I wouldn’t want to view this selection in terms of who we didn’t get nor would I get caught up in viewing the pick on positional criteria alone. Both Bryant and McClain are elite athletes who would improve the team, and sooner rather than later.
Our ideal pick would be a DE34, but there are no DE34s who warrant selection at that point (#11 or #10). The two best DLs — Suh and McCoy — aren’t going to be available under any scenarios. Adding top-flight talent on the DL is still an objective but it would have to be addressed later on, perhaps in the late 1st with a yet to be determined pick obtained in a Marshall trade, or in the 2nd with ours or another yet to be determined pick. It’s very questionable whether we’ll be able to obtain such a pick and the best chance may be if we can trade, say… our Marshall pick for more picks later on. It also should be noted that the primary purpose of a DL pick is long-term help with some short-term impact, so adding a UFA makes more sense for those — which would be all of us — looking for immediate impact. A draft pick on the DL should be viewed as depth at this point in time.
Although it’s outside the perspective of Kiper’s MOCK, a key objective in our draft should be addressing our target areas as much as possible in the early portion of the draft, which is where future starter level prospects are found. It’s extraordinarily difficult to do with our current allotment of picks, which is why trading Marshall and others becomes attractive even though the contribution from these picks would come mostly in the future.
The areas I’d like to see targeted in the first 3 rounds: DE34, OC, WR, CB. There are also other options that could serve as substitutes for some of the positions. For instance, an OG pick might serve as a replacement for an OC even though OC would remain as a need. There are enough alternative methods of addressing OC to allow us to build elsewhere on the OL and focus on targets in other positional areas once we’ve added help at OG. Moving players is a possibility that we have to consider for the interim. The other option is free agency, but there aren’t many UFA Centers available.
A final comment, or two, on a WR pick — I identified “playmaker” as a need in my initial analysis (started shortly after mid-season), and I haven’t changed my assessment. The only reevaluation change I’ve made (besides accounting for a possible Marshall trade) is to ‘up’ our need level on offense. As I’ve said regarding a possible Bryant pick, we lack a game breaking threat/playmaker. The only person who could fit into this category is McKinley. The same logic applies to RB, too. Power RB is a need, too, since Jordan and Hillis’ position/roster spot could be upgraded, but speed back is a need. The idea of obtaining Cribbs made sense, and it’s not because he’s a true WR as some people believe. Also, a single prospect could serve in this area, such as a solidly built RB who possesses KR ability. Part of Bryant’s appeal is his KR ability, besides having size. Substitute WRs are available in this strong WR-draft but they usually lack the speed & playmaking ability of Bryant even though they’re good replacements for Marshall in terms of possession receiver abilities.
Everyone should take a look at CBS Draft Scout (formerly Frank Cooney’s), which is HERE. The declaring underclassmen have been added in with the seniors and the returnees culled so it’s probably the best Big Board out there right now. There will still be some movement because of re-evaluations and performance in the bowls (Shrine, the Combine, etc.) but the listing is now up to date.
no goats, no glory.
A commercial I'd like to see
Boomer: “Mel, could you tell us the best available players left on your board?”
Kiper: “Well Boomer I owe my great hair to Head & Shoulders.”
Boomer: “That’s not what I asked Mel.”
Kiper: “Isn’t it?”
Boomer: “No.”
Kiper (lowering his tone menacingly): “Isn’t it?”
Boomer (feeling spry on his Slimfest diet): “No! You pompous ” (while grabbing Kiper’s hair and swinging him to the ground as the rest of the broadcast crew piles on)





































