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(Relatively) Quick Post: Chris Simms' Replacement?

The overwhelmingly common opinion is that Chris Simms has played his final game in a Broncos uniform and, personally, good riddance.  Not to take anything away from a guy who seems to be a gentleman and a hard-worker - but in the games against Washington and San Diego he proved that he cannot be relied upon to win games for us.

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So what now?  Well in my last mock, I detailed Kyle Orton's statistical performance during this past season (spoiler alert - it was comparable to that of Eli Manning and Carson Palmer).  That doesn't even delve into what he did at the line of scrimmage, making adjustments that require awareness that not ever quarterback has.  I like him.  He deserves to be tendered and to go into 2010 as the starter.  He does not deserve to be handed the keys to the franchise.

The only other guy who will certainly be on the QB depth-chart in 2010 is Tom Brandstater.  However ridiculous it sounds for me to be so hung up over a 6th rounder, it doesn't change the fact that I really, really like this guy.  From the moment he put on the "oh shucks" routine in his first press conference to the laser he threw to Brandon Lloyd when he was thrown in against the Bears to his preseason start against the Cardinals - I've been hooked.  Physically, he is already Orton's superior.  He has the big arm and ability to move around and roll out of the pocket that Orton - with all due respect - just doesn't have.  Physical gifts isn't Orton's M.O anyway, and the true test will be whether or not Brandstater can match Orton's understanding of the offense.  Keep in mind this will be the first time Brandstater will be returning to the same offense in consecutive years since high school.  Still, he's a 6th round pick coming into his second year.

As it stands now, I really do believe one of these two guys will be our QB in 2012.  Which one, I'm not sure.  I like Brandstater's physical gifts but I feel as the McDaniels has really gravitated to Orton and feels as if he's his guy - his project.  Still - we're going to need a third guy.

Chad Pennington is a guy who's been mentioned a lot on this site as a possible second-stringer.  I couldn't disagree with that choice more.  For one, there is no guarantee Pennington will ever play again.  Two, he'll be 34.  I feel as though I'm unusually supportive of Orton/Brandstater and even I don't think it's a smart idea to bring in a guy with such little upside as Pennington.  

I've also heard some mumblings of taking Tim Tebow or Cold McCoy.  Perhaps an even worse choices than Pennington.  I don't think I have ever seen McCoy throw the football downfield with any sort of power or zip and that worries me - as does his penchant for running despite his slender frame.  I think it's stupid to bet against Tebow, but he couldn't be further from McDaniels looks for a quarterback in terms of technicals.  I'm going to throw Sean Canfield (a QB I actually like a lot from Oregon State and actually fits McDaniels' mold as far as I can see) into the mix here as guys who may or may not be good pros, but aren't worth an early or mid pick to try out when we have so many other holes.

This leads me to my final, and what seems to be the most common method here on MHR to obtain a 3rd QB.  The latter rounds of the draft.  In my two mocks I've head the Broncos take Tim Hiller of Western Michigan and Levi Brown of Troy in the 7th Round.  I've seen a lot of people have them take Dan LeFevour in the 6th.  This makes the most sense up this point, but bare with me for a moment.

If we're prepared to spend a 6th or 7th round pick on a developmental QB, why not use it on one who is already familiar with McDaniels and his offense?  During training camp, New England cut former 3rd round pick and many of us were rather enthusiastic about Denver pursuing him.  They did, but he was claimed by Detroit and then later by the Jets.  Since then, there has been very little chatter about him as far as I have read.  He is still currently on the Jets roster, but behind Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens, and Eric Ainge on the depth chart.   By all accounts O'Connell seems happy there and the Jets like him - but would they be unwilling to accept a 7th round pick for him?  I can't see why they would when they're committed to the other three.

O'Connell came out of San Diego State as a QB known for tremendous athleticism and a cannon for an arm.  He was also known as a very intelligent player and an asset in the locker room.  Whether or not we get him, I still would bet on Orton or Brandstater as being the future of this team - but I also think it couldn't hurt to let McDaniels have another crack at him.

What do you guys think?

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Would you trade the Bronco's 7th round pick for Kevin O'Connell?
Yes.
66 votes
No.
37 votes

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O'Connel would be fine

i just hope that we would not we dont need to play him. That is no knock against him, because i DO support the move for Pennington and REALLY hope we dont have to play him. I just want someone who if they need to come in for any reason they will not lose a game for us, a la Simms

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by zclayro on Jan 24, 2010 9:21 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

why can't brandstater be the #2 QB

we don’t need a #3 QB. I’m baffled by this. If Brandstater sucks, Josh will cut him. We don’t need 3 Qb’s unless the #3 guy is a rookie.

by super7 on Jan 24, 2010 9:33 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by elvisalex on Jan 26, 2010 9:05 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What is the passion for getting another Qb with no experience?

We have that in Brandstater, who did look good in his preseason games. However – that’s a far cry from starting in an NFL game. This is a complex system. tom Brady says that it takes at least two years to master – why, then, another backup QB who can’t play the system yet? Whoever we bring in, he’ll have to have some experience or be NFL ready – and that’s a very rare thing. However – congrats to Mark Sanchez. I’ve never been a huge supporter of him, but he’s done a great job of playing at a high level in the playoffs. Being beaten by Peyton Manning is no knock on Sanchez. Best of luck to him

But for the Broncos? We need an experienced backup or else Brandstater has to be able to step up into the #2 shoes. Orton will still start, unless he’s injured. We need someone who can step in and get it done – that’s no small thing.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jan 24, 2010 10:40 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

The Point of O'Connell is that he already spent a year in this offense.

And in a free agent market that is slim pickings in terms of reliable QB’s, I think O’Connell is a best fit out there.

by Vortex7 on Jan 24, 2010 11:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure. I've no problem with that

Let’s be clear on what I’m saying. O’Connell was cut during training camp. What I’m taking from that is that he’s not that familiar with the system and that he might not be that good at it. After all, it’s always possible that he was just caught in a numbers crunch (Tom Brady was the #4 QB when he was drafted – imagine if they didn’t see what was there….). However, since he was cut, I can’t place much stock in him knowing the system – unless you have other info that I don’t?

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jan 25, 2010 12:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Emmett

We need a backup with NFL experience, look what happened when Orton went down for a game last year — Simms doesn’t really fit the “NFL experience” criteria since he had not played in a meaningful game for quite some time.

The curiosity I have on this topic goes around this comment:

He has the big arm and ability to move around and roll out of the pocket

I’ve heard it repeated in a number of different places since the end of the season. As I understand it, the McDaniels’ offense relies on a QB who is primarily a pocket passer who is adept at making pre-snap reads. Now, I assumed that McDaniels drafted Brandstater with the intent of developing him into that type of QB. So, the often reiterated references to how this QB or that QB is so good at rolling out, makes little sense to me.

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by BShrout on Jan 24, 2010 11:19 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I say grab Tony Pike and let a real competition begin: My money’s on Pike. I think Orton would serve as the best #2 anyone could hope to have on a team. I believe Pike or MAYBE brandstater, who I like but can’t give the type of confident support that some in here can simply based on a preseason game against Arizona….would emerge as he eventual starter next year. But I’m hopeful that a fullblown QB competition will yield our best QB and our best chance to win.

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by Hogblog on Jan 25, 2010 5:43 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Question

Do you really want to see another year of a QB in his first year of trying to learn one of the most complex offenses in the league (the one that Tom Brady described as taking two years to learn), or would you rather see what a guy with a year under his belt can do in the 2nd year of learning the system?

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"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
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by BShrout on Jan 25, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hogblog..your concept is right, just the wrong players.

I really think that Kyle Orton will be an exellent #2 QB, in 2011, to Tom Brandstater.
In 2010 TB will be #2 to KO. Broncos have to build the offense and sitting at #3 QB does little toward that end. TB has to get playing time for true evaluation and if they bring in a vet QB then TB goes back to #3 and is unproductive.

by DLMyers on Jan 25, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Almost agree

I like Tony Pike as a pick, but I don’t see him in a competition with Orton. Rather I see him in a QB-of-the-Future™ in competition with Brandstater.

My choice would be to give Orton a 1 year tender, draft Pike (or similar 2nd or 3rd rounder), then go into the 2010 season with #1 Orton backed up by #2 Brandstater and #3 Pike. For 2011, if Orton warrants it you give him a long-term contract and let Brandstater & Pike battle for #2, or cut him loose and let the two young kids battle for for #1. I would like to see Simms replaced by a younger QB rather than a recycled free agent veteran (unless hell freezes over, the earth stops rotating on its axis, and the colts decide to trade Peyton Manning for Brandon Marshall :-P ).

Frankly, what I saw of Orton suggests he could actually run this offense effectively enough to keep him around as the starter for another 3-4 years. I have to withhold judgement on Brandstater since he had 0 real season snaps (although I think it is curious that after Simms got the hook it was a hobbled Orton who came into the game, and Brandstater never did pass Simms for #2 position).

by DCJ on Jan 25, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

QB competition...

Hasn’t Orton had that like every year he’s been in this league? Sometimes showing some faith in a guy has the more desirable effect. No veteran or rookie is going to come in here and learn the system during TC better than Orton in his 2nd year here.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by elvisalex on Jan 26, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with signing

a “experienced” QB is they are still going to have to learn the system. Tom B. has the abilities that we are used to seeing ie. rolling out scrambling making throws on the run etc. Not exactly what your prototipical QB in the McD system is. I could see a QB taken late in the draft with the guys mentioned or someone else. No matter what we do we would still in my eyes have an inexperienced QB either in terms of no playing experience or a rookie in this system. With Tom B at least he has a years experience. The selection or trade for O’Connell might no be a bad thing but that would depend on McD and what he thinks of O’Connell.

I don’t want to see us pick up a QB in the first or second rounds as we need to many other things fixed. I would see us going with Orton, Tom B. and rookie dev QB.

Just my thoughts tho

by papasteven on Jan 25, 2010 6:36 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

how about a rookie QB that has other abilities like receiving or pr/kr ala Joe Theisman.

by DLMyers on Jan 25, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts also
I don’t want to see us pick up a QB in the first or second rounds as we need to many other things fixed. I would see us going with Orton, Tom B. and rookie dev QB.

Just my thoughts tho

Brandstater is smart – got his bachelor’s and master’s in his 4 years at Freson State. He looked real good in the pre season game against Arizona, when the Cards played their starters into the 3rd quarter because they hadn’t won a pre season game.
Orton doesn’t need a “mentor” so let’s look for another young guy late in the draft that may turn into a Schaub that can be traded, after a year or two on the practice squad, so he doesn’t take up a real roster spot.

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by bradley on Jan 25, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No

We have too many holes on both sides of the ball to be blowing draft picks on a 3rd QB. I’m expecting Brandstater to push Orton for the job after watching the past year. So I think we’re set for QB. If McDaniels wants to pick up a few CFA QB scrubs that’s fine. That 7th round pick can go to a plowing FB we need on those 3rd and short situations

by CombatChuk on Jan 25, 2010 8:14 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

This is not the first time I heard this.

It is the 1st time I heard it for a 7th rd. pick. I’m convinced this WILL happen. They picked up O"Connell just to make a play at Marshall. It didn’t happen. Now they have Edwards and O’Connell is expendable. A trade for him is more than likely in the works now that the Jets lost.

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by Digger24 on Jan 25, 2010 8:15 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

What do you think of this?

Our 10/11 for their #29, #61 and O’Connell.

"We sucked."
"They are who we thought they were."
"Just trying to win a MF game."
"Plaoffs? Playoffs? Don't talk to me about playoffs."

by Digger24 on Jan 25, 2010 8:25 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted no above in the poll, but...

this possibility intrigues me. Nice thought Digger!

by topnation on Jan 25, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

This draft is deep, but no matter who the QB prospect in the draft is, I don’t see them as a #2 on the depth chart ahead of Brandstater. He has a year under his belt now. O’Connell on the other hand would give TB another year before we would expect anything from him. Then, Orton is expendable. Yeah!
Also, the 10/11 does not provide us what we need and an extra 2nd would be nice.

"We sucked."
"They are who we thought they were."
"Just trying to win a MF game."
"Plaoffs? Playoffs? Don't talk to me about playoffs."

by Digger24 on Jan 25, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

O'Connell would definitely be the 3rd Stringer

My point simply was that with no clarity toward the QB of the future, it wouldn’t hurt to have another developmental QB to push Brandstater. I know arm strength and mobility aren’t staples of McDaniels’ offense, but he’s at least a guy with some familiarity with McDaniels.

Also, I really do believe you need to dress 3 QBs every week. If you want to make one an “emergency QB” that’s fine – but too much can go wrong too quickly not to have 3 QB’s versed in your system heading into Week 1. I don’t buy into the whole “We only need Orton and Brandstater” bit above.

by Vortex7 on Jan 25, 2010 10:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

My sense about this is that you want someone who has played a number of years

and is familiar with several different offenses. That should help him to pick up this one more readily. I suggest someone like Jeff Garcia. You are not looking at starting quality – but someone to run your offense while your starter is out. I would not draft another QB to do that. Then you essentially have 2 rookies who do not know the system or are not familiar with the speed of the NFL. Get someone who has a bit of a head start.

by Blackknigh on Jan 25, 2010 1:56 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

This is an extreme thought

I was going through all the teams today, trying to figure out who might be available for a Simms replacement. This one made some sense to me. Lots of starting experience, could be had very cheap. Probably will be cut, so no compensation will be required. Has anyone else thought about Marc Bulger ? What are your opinions ?

by rg2247 on Jan 25, 2010 7:27 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Before the season began and during training camp, Simms had supporters to be the starter.

I often wonder why McD brought in a left-handed QB. He probably never dreamed that Harris at RT would go down or that the OL would have some difficulty in protection. He is done for sure.

Marc Bulger could be an option. Remember the success the faders had with Charlie Fry? He did the job for him – and not just against us. One of the telling points was that he had game experience in the NFL (as Bulger has). You don’t want your backup to play much but to be ready when called upon.

If a rookie is called upon, his success will in large part be because of a good if not very good OL and a similar defense. In the case of the Jets this year, they had both and ran the ball 60% of the time. Sanchez will get be more in tune with the offense next year and should continue to become ready to shoulder more of the load as next year unfolds. If he adapts to NY well, he will be outstanding.

by Blackknigh on Jan 26, 2010 12:23 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Here's my problem with this idea...

Josh McDaniels worked with Kevin O’Connell in 2008. After that single season, Bill Belichick dismissed his third round pick just a year after spending wasting it. Now I’m not trying to suggest that Bill is anybody’s puppet. But whose advice do you think he sought prior to making that decision?
No matter what your available roster space looks like, I just don’t think you cut a third-round QB pick after only a year if your OC has had good things to say about him. I know Denver tried to pick him up, but that was for free. I don’t really see giving a 7th rounder for him. We could have tried that last year instead of drafting the next Tom B.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by elvisalex on Jan 26, 2010 9:29 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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