When will the madness stop!!!

If Clady plays lazy and disinterested like he did in the Chef game to close out the season, he won’t be considered out best player much longer.

Clady was our best player in 2008 (by far). Both Marshall and Elvis were better players for us in 2009.

Dez Bryant could only wish that in his 1st 4 years in the league he would have 3 strait 100+ catch seasons, which is what Bmarsh has done. You say Dez is better than Marshall coming out of college; well so were guys like Mike Williams, Peter Warrick, & Charles Rogers. Do you remember any of them? At the pace Bmarsh is going he could be one of the top WR in NFL history when his career is over, which could be next year, or 12 years from now. You cant predict anyone’s future, cause if you could, I’m sure that guys like Williams, Warrick, & Rogers would have never been drafted. You and others are stuck on the fact that he doesn’t have the perfect boyscout image, so he must be traded, and that’s were your wrong.

Also, Clady is great, but he’s not our best player. Defense and touchdowns win games, & last I checked, he does neither. It’s the price linemen pay. Doom is one of my favorite players, but he’s not better than Bmarsh either. If either Clady, or Doom got as much bad publicity as Bmarsh, you’d be calling for their heads just like your doing Marshall’s.

I guess everyone just loves to hate the bad guy.

Last I saw he was waiting to see which of the 32 NFL teams would draft him. Darn it, I must of pulled a Rip Van Winkle deal and slept through the draft when I dozed off at my desk. Hogblog, can you tell me who won the Superbowl?

PS. Kidding aside, I do agree with you. When BMarsh wants to be, he is easily the most dangerous weapon on the offense. But until he decides that he is going to play every game and every down, he is definitely not the best player on the Broncos.

How you can say that he didnt help us win more games. All the yards and TD’s didnt help us win any games? I guess the only way you win a game is when you make a spectacular play near the end? Well if thats the case then knoshon was a complete bust.

I seem to remember him making some nice plays in the Giants game. Don’t yards and catches equal moving the chains? Do you expect the running back to take it to the house on every play? The Qb to throw long balls into the endzone on every play?

I dont care if you dont like him , but his production be missed.

That is ridiculous Bena.

Marshall wants more money. His angst is based entirely on his low salary is vs his on field production.

He doesn’t care which team he plays for. He would be much happier on the Broncos with a new deal than playing for any of the other 31 NFL teams for anything like the $2.4MM he made in 2009.

The guy wants a raise.

Marshall is pretty much useless to us but we’re going to get top notch draft picks for the guy?

Wow.. you must be smarter then all the GM’s in this league then.

Bring on Ashley Lelie, and Marcus Nash, Troy Williamson, Micheal Jenkins, Yatil Green, Tedd Ginn Jr, Mike WIlliams, Charlie Rogers, Rae Carruth.

Should I keep going?

Then why aren’t teams after him? The only person to agree with you would be Al Davis, who still cant find a WR.

Any QB can tear up a defense given enough time, and any RB can look like a stud running through gaping holes. If I’m building a franchise for the long haul, Oline is my top priority, once that’s set I go get my QB.

But he is a one trick pony. But if it comes down to it do you really want to pay him a contract that is similiar Peppers or Freeney?

Also, if you’re saying that Gaffney was the only person that we threw to for the first three or four games and Marshall was suspended for the last game simple math tells me he had over 100 catches in 12 or 13 games.. Thats pretty impressive if you ask me.

I agree with a lot of what you say, and although I’d miss Marshall, if he has to go, there are alternatives. The O-line certainly worries me more than the Marshall deal.

But the part between you and haze regarding Gaffney is completely off. Gaffney is the only one we threw to in the first few games? The one we threw to most during that time? The first number below is how many times a receiver was targeted, just to keep this accurate. Here’s reality:

Cincinnati
B.Marshall 7 4 27 6.8 9 0
D.Graham 3 3 40 13.3 20 0
J.Gaffney 4 3 25 8.3 21 0
E.Royal 4 2 18 9.0 11 0
C.Buckhalter 2 2 11 5.5 7 0
B.Stokley 4 1 87 87.0 87 1
T.Scheffler 2 1 29 29.0 29 0
P.Hillis 2 1 6 6.0 6 0

Cleveland
B.Stokley 7 5 70 14.0 37 0
J.Gaffney 5 3 82 27.3 49 0
B.Marshall 6 3 34 11.3 25 0
E.Royal 9 3 20 6.7 11 0
K.Moreno 2 2 22 11.0 11 0
C.Buckhalter 3 1 30 30.0 30 0
D.Graham 1 1 3 3.0 3 0
T.Scheffler 2 1 2 2.0 2 1
L.Jordan 2 0 0 0.0 0 0

Dallas
C.Buckhalter 5 5 55 11.0 23 0
B.Marshall 6 4 91 22.8 51 1
D.Graham 3 3 36 12.0 15 0
T.Scheffler 3 3 26 8.7 11 0
E.Royal 6 2 16 8.0 12 0
K.Moreno 2 2 11 5.5 9 1
J.Gaffney 4 1 8 8.0 8 0

So, the reality is that Gaffney wasn’t targeted the most in any of the first three games (by the way, or the fourth, either) nor did he have the most catches. But he was excellent on third down, just like he was in New England. I was pleasantly surprised when I watched the NE games over the offseason and saw how often he made good catches when a drive was on the line. His performance against KC was against a weaker secondary, but he was extremely good getting open off the line all year. I don’t care whether or not someone likes a player, but it’s good to keep to facts. By the way (for haze: why aren’t teams after him?) – we don’t have a bit of info as to who else pursued him, so let’s not start making things up.

I’m not sure about Jennings though. He seems to disappear in some games.

he is a top five receiver in catches, top 10 in TDs and yards. So from that standpoint he is a top notch receiver. The difference between Marshall and your list is more about attitude on and off the field than it is play on the field. Although Vincent Jackson does have his own issues to contend with, he can’t seem to keep get the fact you can’t drive under the influence and and expired license.

Brandon Marshall is thinking of his financial security with the impending lockout in 2011. If he already had a contract that reflected his on the field performance he would have played through the injury at the Chiefs game. What would happen if Brandon Marshall did play through the injury and severely injured his hamstring (To the point of career ending?) he gets nothing. I honestly think that when he gets paid he’ll be happy and the Broncos will be happy

Marshall himself has said that he has his goals for his football career, once he hit that 100 catch season, his production dropped, and he suddenly couldn’t practice because the cold air made it difficult to breath and he suddenly developed a hamstring injury that made him want to save himself for the playoffs, ignoring the fact that if the team didn’t win the game he wanted to skip they wouldn’t make the playoffs.

Doesn’t sound like he’ll suddenly become a team player just because he gets the money

to have the same best player in every game throughout the year.

But, I’m not trying to start another war, and McD is already here so we cant go back now. We can only hope there will be a good outcome to his madness, and it should start by resigning Bmarsh.

we were going to hire McD and he would trade Cutler, Marshall, Hillis, and Scheff for a bunch of picks and Orton?
When did we do that? Ah – never. Good to know.

I thought the only person who has been traded to date is Cutler.

Will Marshall, Hillis and/or Scheffler be here in 2010? That remains to be seen. Early in the season, McDaniels benched Marshall, and Marshall responded by coming back and having a 100 catch season. Scheffler was apparently benched for a detrimental, non-team attitude. Hillis has pretty much been invisible. For some reason, many fans have decided that these things mean those three will be gone (more so because of their own personal likes/dislikes than anything else). Perhaps they will, perhaps they won’t. Point is, until an announcement is made to the contrary, all three are still Broncos.

The one constant that I believe has been seen with McDaniels is that he does not tend to follow conventional wisdom in his approach.

but in retrospect, I don’t hate McD for trading Cutler as I have pointed out. I believe I was wrong on that one and McD was right. But when we start trading all of our best offensive players (at least were the best at some point within the last 2 years), then on the whole, questions need to be asked of McD.

I think that is an interesting question. I don’t know how many people outside of Bronco fandom would take Smith over Marshall at this point in their career. I’d take Smith, but I wonder if those more removed from the situation would agree. But I don’t think you have to be considered the best receiver in Bronco history (as Smith was) to be considered a keeper.

to stay. This is a business where being cut in the middle of a contract is very real. They have a short time to make money. Players are concerned with their financial security first….and I can’t blame them. A franchise doesn’t love the player anymore then the franchise thinks the player can help them win that year. Nor do I think they need a desire to stay. I am guessing their have been many players in the NFL that have played well for teams even if they wished they played for another team. But when the attitude affects the locker room, that is a different story….and that may be the issue that gets him booted out of town.