Wanting Doesn't Equal Having!
Ah, the NFL offseason. That magical time when all is possible and everyone's team will make miraculous choices that put them on the verge of Superbowl glory! With the exception of New Orleans and Indianapolis (and probably Detroit), NFL cities around the nation enter this wondrous candy store of possibility with eyes wide and hands grabbing for their favorite quick-fix jellybeans, candy bars, and licorice whips. That some of the treats may be on shelves to high to reach, might be too expensive, or are just not a good deal doesn't easily penetrate fanbases' initial drooling exuberance. Unfortunately, like a stern mother, reality tells us that even though we want both the bubble gum and the M&Ms we might have to choose one or the other. Bitter disappointment not withstanding.
I'm going to jump into the role of practical-minded parent to address one of the unrealistic Bronco repairs that I keep seeing on MHR and other sites that talk about our team. While there are a number of tasty treats that have come up with regards to saving Broncos, two of the delicacies we seem to crave most are available in the NFL Draft aisle of the candy store. The Broncos didn't run the ball well, the interior line was a big reason why, and Broncos fans in the know want them some sweets called Mike Iupati and Maurkice Pouncey to patch the problem. The idea that we need to draft both of these guys is one that's been popping up all over the Orange and Blue blogworld. Well children, I'm here to tell you that the chances of our enjoying that yummy feast are pretty dang slim.
Don't get me wrong, I like both players and would be immensely satisfied if they both ended up with horses on their helmets. Unfortunately, we are poorly positioned to come up with both guys given the way the draft works. In fact, if we stand pat with the picks we have we probably can't land either guy. It's basically a function of the value of the picks we currently have held up next to the rankings of the players. We have pick #10 or #11 in the first round and then don't pick again until pick #45 in the second round. Neither Iupati or Pouncey are worthy our current first round pick. Both would be monumental reaches barring a major shift of opinion during the draft evaluation process. Even if the stock of one (or both) of them shoots up from Senior Bowl to Combine to Pro Days, NFL teams almost never take interior offensive linemen in the top half of the first round. I'm confident that we won't take either one with the #10/11 pick.
On the flip side, both players are the consensus top prospects at their respective positions. We don't select again until thirteen picks into the second round. Is it really likely that either of those guys is going to last that long? I'll tell you right now that Iupati will definitely not be there. He will come off the board somewhere in the 20s. There is an outside chance that Pouncey might last that long, but I doubt it. So if we don't make any moves, we have a very small chance to end up with Pouncey. More likely we get neither. In order to get one or both, we have to do some wheeling and dealing.
To get an idea of what kind of scenarios might work, we have to decide where the players are likely to go. First, though centers are usually more highly valued than guards because of versatility, in this draft it looks like Iupati is the more highly regarded prospect. He's already getting oooohs and aaaahs at the Senior Bowl. Heck, his weigh-in was generating the textual equivalent of man goo across the blogosphere. Big and fit with the longest arms and largest hands of anyone invited to the game. Realistically, if no one reaches very much and he doesn't inexplicably fall very far, I expect he'll go somewhere between picks 18-30. Pouncey is less highly regarded so far, though part of that is less time to get a buzz going since he only recently declared. My initial guess is that he's like to go somwhere between picks 25 and 37/38. And no, I'm not accounting for team needs just yet. So what are our options to get picks in that range?
The most likely scenarios for picking up at least one later first round pick are to trade/allow to be signed Brandon Marshall or trade back from the #10/11 pick. As far as Marshall goes, we would need to find a WR needy team willing to trade for him or pay the tendered compensation to sign him. While he is not the elite receiver people seem to think he is, Marshall is likely worth a second half of the first round pick. Teams that might look at a WR like him are:
#17 Tennessee: If Marshall goes to the Titans I think it might still be too early to look at Iupati and it's definitely too early for Pouncey. This is especially true in that a player like DT Dan Williams has a good chance to be available. He represents a better match of need and value than Iupati. A 3-4 DE like Jared Odrick might also be a better choice.
#21 Cincinatti: Between the free agent departure of TJ Houshmenzadah, the untimely death of Chris Henry and the on-going drama that is Chad Johnson, this once WR rich team is now in the pass-catching poor house. This pick is about where I'd expect Iupati's value to start matching up with our OG need. Still too early for Pouncey.
#25 Baltimore: Marshall going here would present the most likely scenario for our having to choose between Iupati and Pouncey. There's a good chance both will be here and both are worthy of this selection in terms of value. Of the two Iupati is the more likely to be gone. I'm almost certain that Maurkice will still be here. My biggest yuck with Marshall going to Baltimore is we're likely to have to deal with him in games that mean something at some point.
#27 Dallas: Brandon Marshall is what Dallas wanted to get in Roy Williams. Would they be willing to give up another first rounder for a WR talent with red-flags? Maybe. By this pick the availabilty of Iupati is going to be iffy. My gut tells me he's gone. That or Dallas keeps the pick and takes him :). Pouncey will be here and is worthy. If we ended up with Dallas' pick I'd jump on either of them if they're available.
#29 NY Jets: Braylon Edwards is a disappointment. Marshall's hands may be a bit on the iffy side, but Edwards should have been a DB. Rex Ryan has shown he'll take chances to improve his team. Could be a match. Iupati is going to be gone by now. Pouncey should be available and I'd be happy to take him.
As far as a trade back scenario goes, the thought process is the same. Can we trade back to a point where either Iupati or Pouncey are available and also not a reach. I haven't done a full breakdown on team needs so I won't go into detailed scenarios. Basically, in order to end up in the 20s from 10/11, a player from one of the premium positions needs to fall and a team needs to be willing to jump to get him. If Sam Bradford is still there when we pick someone very well might take a chance on coming up. Someone may also be willing to come up for a top LT prospect or pass rushing threat. A trade back could get us either Pouncey or Iupati.
The other possibility for getting Pouncey is to jump up in the second round to nab him if he falls out of the first. As we know from the Alphonso Smith trade last year, the asking price for a high second round pick can be pretty stiff. Is Pouncey worth it? That's a debate for another stream of consiousness exercise.
In order to land both Iupati and Pouncey for certain, we'd have to get a late first rounder for Marshall AND trade back from the #10/11 spot. Is it possible? Of course. Is it likely? Hmmmmm. Even if the Broncos do exactly that, the Iuputi/Pouncey bandwagon could be disappointed if another player at a position of need looks like a better value. If Dan Williams is still there at 21 do you still take Iupati? Will he last a few more picks? See what I mean?
The other scenario that would give us a good opportunity to land both, though it depends a lot on what happens to Pouncey's stock, is to get a pick between 20-25 for Marshall or the 10/11 pick and to trade up to the early second. Iupati in the first and Pouncey in the second. Once again, too many variables to say this is super likely.
What my long-winded (as usually) post is getting at is that we don't have a prayer of getting either much less both of these guys without some fanagling. In addition, McXanders will have to determine that such haggling is what they want to do, particularly if they really like someone like Dez Bryant or Rolando McClain. Basically, its just not as simple as saying, "I think we should take Mike Iupati and Maurkice Pouncey in the first two rounds."
Would I like it? Yes. Do I think it's going to happen? Probably not.
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Excellent post, and I totally agree with this:
Basically, its just not as simple as saying, “I think we should take Mike Iupati and Maurkice Pouncey in the first two rounds.”
That’s why mocks are so difficult to navigate.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 27, 2010 6:17 AM MST reply actions
Good article
I’ve been watching Iupati practice all week during the East – West game. There is a lot of chatter about how he could have the ability to play all 3 positions along the offensive line including LT. If he continues to dominate I could easily see him moving up the boards fast like Brandon Alberts did 2 years ago if the talents scounts are convinced he can make that move to LT.
I agree with you though that 10 or 11 is too early to pick a guard. However, if he does move to LT all bets are off.
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Iupati seems to mirror Clady in some ways
specifically in that he just seems prototypical, and the same questions apply: What was such an ideal specimen doing in Idaho? I have family at ISU, so I am working on trying to get some inside skinny on Iupati’s character and such.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 27, 2010 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
I've been facebook stalking him for a few months, now, trying to do the same thing.
He seems like a VERY VERY nice guy. He is a family man, first and foremost, and football has always come second. There are lots and lots of pictures of him and his family. His status updates are always “Missing my Family in Moscow and my girlfriend dearly!!!!” or things along those lines. I think we won’t have to worry about him getting in trouble at parties or clubs or things like that. If he ever did, I’m sure his mother would punish him more than the Broncos ever could, anyways.
The one thing that might rub people the wrong way at MHR is that he is in a facebook group called “1,000,000 against the Boise St. Broncos”.
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by Troy Hufford on Jan 27, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
only 1,000,000?
They must just be counting BCS bowl game voters…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 27, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
hahahaha, touche
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 27, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
One reason...
…may be that he didn’t start playing football until he was 14, so he may not have been developed enough to catch the eye of D1 coaches. That he is raw and needs to improve his technique (especially as a pass blocker) are consistent cons listed in his scouting reports.
I would still jump on Iupati
That kind of ability plus character would be a plus no matter where he plays, be it OG or OT. His size and athleticism will fit the ZBS and Poer Blocking game. His arm length, hand size and footwork will become excellent pass blocking. I would pick him with 10 or 11 if McClain is not available.
Like a chess match, picking him at 10 or 11 may lead to Pouncey being available at 45. If McX trades BM and gets a late first, why not Pouncey? I would rather have an OL for the next 10+ years because RB’s and WR’s come and go every few years and having an excellent OL makes the cogs in the wheel work better and sooner when a new cog is put in place.
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by IgorBStrange on Jan 28, 2010 2:29 AM MST up reply actions
If he demonstrates the ability to play LT you're right.
All bets would be off then. He could possibly rise to the area of our pick in terms of value. That said, since the basis of his value would be his ability to play LT then we still couldn’t draft him because LT is a team need. We’d be taking him as a guard. What Iupati could do for us if he shoots up like that is give us another chance to trade back if another team wants to come up for him. In that case, Iupati may land us Pouncey. :)
Great article jaffe
this would make a good series… Every title could be another important life lesson from papajaffe.
Future installments:
On MHR manners: “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.”
On Marshall: “Stop hitting your sister.”
On the new CBA: “There are starving people in Africa.”
In all seriousness, you did a good job here, and your theme is a strong one.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 27, 2010 9:23 AM MST reply actions
I couldn't agree more.
Though I love the idea of Iupati, I see the chances of him landing in Denver slim. Pouncey, however, seems a tad bit overrated around here, and he might very well be there for Denver’s second rounder.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 27, 2010 9:47 AM MST reply actions
Nice work jaffe! If the Broncos want Iupati,...
Here’s hoping someone wants to move up badly to 10 or 11 and we can slide down a few spots and pick up an extra late-round pick and still grab this dude.
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while i agree that wanting doesn't equal having,
and i agree that it would take some trading for get positioned in such a way that both of these players could be taken, It is not unheard of for a team to target certain specific players and do as much as is necessary to position themselves for these players. It wouldn’t be the first time McD has traded a lot of draft picks so that he could take his player when he wanted to regardless of where they are projected to fall.
If we learned nothing else from last year’s draft, we learned that McD has an idea of who he wants to pick going in and makes as many moves as are necessary to get the most valuable combination of the players on his short list that he can. If 2 of the the highest rated players on his short list are Iupati and Pouncey, I wouldn’t be surprised if McD does what is necessary to bring them to Denver.
by bailey disciple on Jan 27, 2010 2:30 PM MST reply actions
that should be "to get positioned"
in the top line
by bailey disciple on Jan 27, 2010 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
Not negative at all.
I agree with you that interior OL is a bigger need than DL for the Broncos. If we can sustain drives by picking up a 3rd and 1 once in awhile, our DL will be even better ‘cause they won’t wear down.
On the other hand, a prototypical 3-4 NT like Williams is a much rarer commodity than a prototypical OG like Iupati. That puts added value on the NT. Same thing with a prototypical 3-4 DE. It’s just a lot harder to find a 290 lb guy to hold the edge on defense than it is to find someone to team up with a center and move/hold a DT. So if McD trades with the intention of getting Iupati and then Williams (or another player that is highly rated) is unexpectedly there, he’d have to consider it.
I agree that McD showed that he’ll target and go after specific players in last years draft. Whether that is a consistent strategy or one that he felt was necessary to get the basics of what he wanted to accomplish first year is something we’ll start to see this year. Either way, I wasn’t really happy with the strategy last year. I thought we burned value by giving up picks to get players that we very well could have gotten without making moves. Alphonso Smith and Richard Quinn being the two main examples. What really did, and still does, make me mad about the Alphonso trade is that there really was a player still available that was a much better need/value match if we wanted to trade up. Max Unger, the C/OG from Oregon carried a first round grade and had fallen into the second. Even if our intention was to take Alphonso by trading up, having a player like Unger there should have changed our minds. For the most part, I liked the players we drafted last year, but we burned a lot of the value of our picks in trades.

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