Horse Tracks 1/30/10 - Martindale offers first comments since becoming Broncos DC

DB - Anxious to Improve Under Martindale - Gray Caldwell
"I think we're going to be sound," Dumervil said. "I think he's a smart coach and I think he's going to create a lot of problems for opponents. I think he knows how to mix it up well. With his background of working with different guys that have been successful in this league, I'm excited. I think it's going to be a great deal for us, and I'm looking forward to working with him."
DPP - Broncos' Martindale, Ryan linked - Mike Klis
"I've been with the Ryans for about 12 years," Martindale said. "It's that type of mentality, get guys playing hard. Schematically, you don't tip what you're going to do. But mostly, I know our guys are going to play hard, and we're going to be fun to watch." "Wink's going to be great, no question," Rex Ryan said. "I told him he can finish second in the league."
DPP - Clady hears the criticism - Mike Klis
"As an offensive line, we were disappointed with how we played, especially in the second half of the season. I know we'll improve and be better next year."
CSG - Offseason spotlight: Offensive line/tight ends - Frank Schwab
NFP - Will the Broncos trade Marshall? - Matt Bowen
PFR - HOF 2010: Floyd Little - Chase Stuart
Frankly, Stuart blows Little's candidacy out of the water here. I know there are a lot of emotions tied to the HOF for Broncos fans (including those of yours truly), but the arguments that Floyd was 7th all-time when he retired (#s 8 & 9 aren't in, either) and that he kept the Broncos in Denver aren't what make a HOFer. Now, I didn't see him play. If you watched him play and saw a HOFer, that's another thing...
DP - Warner a Hall of Famer only if T.D. is first - Mike Klis
Obviously I'd like for this to be the case, but I'd only point out that Warner had 6 excellent seasons, not 4. Personally, I think they should both be in - but Warner had the better career.
DB - 2010 Pro Bowl: Day Three - Gray Caldwell
DB - 2010 Pro Bowl: Friday Report - Broncos TV
DP - Dumervil’s Pro Bowl guests - Lindsay Jones
FO - 2009 Adjusted Games Lost Totals - Bill Barnwell
"On the other side of the coin sit the Denver Broncos, who beat our preseason expectations with some close wins and a remarkable string of health. Broncos starters combined to miss 15 games this season; the two Super Bowl teams each lost more starts than that from just one guy (Jammal Brown, Anthony Gonzalez). Ryan Harris was responsible for eight of those 15 missed starts by himself, thanks to a gruesome-sounding dislocated toe. It's a remarkable total, and it's one not likely to recur, which is why our 2010 projection for Denver is unlikely to be very hopeful."
AFC West News
ESPN - Examining Oakland's quarterback options - Bill Williamson
OT - Asomugha on Cable, JaMarcus - Jerry McDonald
SI - Chargers' Nate Kaeding explains lonely life of kicker - Stefan Fatsis
NFL News
NFL - League fines Saints’ McCray $20K for hits on Favre
NFL - Martz interviewing for Bears’ offensive coordinator job
NFL - Eagles promote personnel executive Roseman to general manager
NFL - Bengals rookie LB Maualuga arrested on DUI charge
NFL - Giants QB Coach Chris Palmer retires
NFL - Patriots hire former DB Brown as a defensive coach
NFL - Ex-LB Olsavsky returns to Steelers as defensive coach
NFL Opinion
NFP - Diner morning news: Can Holmgren find a QB? - Mike Lombardi
Y! - Frightening hit gave Cribbs sense of urgency - Sean Jensen
ESPN - Playoff standouts to watch in 2010 - Len Pasquarelli
Super Bowl
NFL - Saints defensive coordinator's comments don't rile up Colts
ESPN - 10 Spot: Bad company - Adam Schefter
ESPN - Competing for their attention - Jeffri Chadiha
SN - Manning-Sharper faceoff the most important matchup - Dennis Dillon
SI - Colts defense is 'most underrated unit in football' - Jim Trotter
PFW - The patron Saint - Tom Danyluk
NYT - Tom Dempsey, Kicker of Record, Never Really Left New Orleans - Karen Crouse
SI - Former Colts, Saints QB Steve Walsh conflicted about Super Bowl - Jeff Pearlman
Senior Bowl
NFP - Senior Bowl Countdown - Wes Bunting
NFP - Senior Bowl: Day 4 impressions - Wes Bunting
DC - 1/29/10 Walk-Through Report - Scott Wright
DC - 1/28/10 South Practice Report - Scott Wright
NFL - Ignore endless scuttlebutt of Tebow's free fall in draft - Bucky Brooks
NFL - Proving ground: Tebow's time to wow scouts arrives in Alabama
NFP - Give Tebow credit for playing in Senior Bowl - Matt Bowen
PFW - Gilyard working overtime at Senior Bowl - Dan Parr
PFW - Negatives make USC's Mays a risky pick - Nolan Nawrocki
Farewell, Kurt Warner
NFL - 'It's been an amazing ride': Warner retires after 12 NFL seasons
SN - Kurt Warner announces retirement after 12 seasons in NFL - Dennis Dillon
NFL - Warner's storybook career deserves Hall of Fame consideration - Steve Wyche
PFW - Warner again proves to be class act - Dan Arkush
ESPN - Hailing Warner's unique story - Seth Wickersham
ESPN - Warner walks away on his terms - Mike Sando
Y! - Ball is back in Leinart's hand - Mike Silver
SI - Matt Leinart deserves fresh start after Kurt Warner's retirement - Don Banks
Pro Bowl
NFP - Making a case for the Pro Bowl - Andrew Brandt
SI - Pro Bowl stinks, but how can it be fixed? - Ross Tucker
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Ditto...Got good fellings about the defense!
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Jan 30, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Doug
Yay, we may never have to see Brenda Warner’s ugly mug again.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Kurt W truly is a class act, a great story and a sure HOFer.
I really don’t expect him to pull a Favre either.
I’ll miss watching him play.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 30, 2010 10:23 AM MST reply actions
Doom...
…sure doesn’t sound like a guy thinking Miami.
So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson
by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 30, 2010 10:33 AM MST reply actions
this
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 30, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
Is This More Crap From Klis
as much as I love Terrell Davis, if Kurt Warner goes in ahead of him, #13 deserves it. No one gave Warner a chance. Everything he got is from the sweat of his face and I’ve never had a qualm with him. Favre is trash, Warner is class. Have a good day, fellow Broncoites!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jan 30, 2010 10:36 AM MST reply actions
Thanks, Doug.
What a silly statistic from Football Outsiders.
Are they actually saying that losing one of the best RT’s in the league means less than a #2 WR that was easily replaced, because he missed fewer games?
So… which team is worse off:
One that loses a backup QB for an entire season or one that loses, say, Peyton Manning for half a season?
Sorry, Dude, but sometimes stats annoy me.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 30, 2010 10:41 AM MST reply actions
What time does the Senior Bowl game start?
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 30, 2010 10:47 AM MST reply actions
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If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 30, 2010 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
4 eastern, more specifically
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 30, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks, KB.
Guess I’ll be missing it, then…
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 30, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
New Rotoworld/MSNBC Mock Draft
predicts Broncos draft NT Cody (Alabama) with their pick.
Mock draft link
Seems a pretty solid mock overall. I don’t like the idea of Dez Bryant going to the Chiefs and McClain going to the Raiders so hope he’s wrong about those. (The latter is probably too logical and smart for Raiders to do it.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
If Martindale can bring the same Ryan
type defense to Denver I will be stoked. I am happy this guy got promoted. Be prepared to Blitz from every direction next year with this guy running our D
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 30, 2010 11:36 AM MST reply actions
Agreed
His “Ryan” pedigree goes a long way to ease the anxiety over losing Nolan. I love the pressure form teh edge philosophy.
The last time the Broncos promoted the LB coach to DC, I thought he was fine. Too bad he only got one season before he was jettisoned.
Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....
Doug, Chase Stuart blows nobody out of the water with his comments on Little . . .
Here is my response to Stuart on his site:
Most of you who have a sub-HOF opinion of Floyd Little never saw him play. I know that because I am of the generation who did, and I was very young at the time, and I would be considered by most as “an older gentleman,” or maybe an “old man” now. I don’t care about Stuart’s arguments: Were it not for Little, you would not have a Denver Broncos to cheer for. That is a fact.
bq.
Moreover, I was there to read that contemporaries of Little, Larry Csonka and Jim Kiick, considered Little to be the best running back in football during his time. That Little ran behind perhaps the worst offensive line in football is not an excuse: It is fact.
bq.
In addition, when comparing Little to Terrell Davis or any other of the running backs more contemporary to our time, we must remember that the rules were not as favorable to the offense as they are today. For instance, the blockers had to keep their elbows out and their hands inside the parameters of their bodies. They way they block today would have been “holding” back then. So the Broncos had a pathetic offensive line who could not use their hands.
bq.
Floyd Little WAS the Broncos. He was realistically the only playmaker they had. He was very highly respected throughout the league . . . just about the only Broncos offensive player who was.
bq.
Yes, Little is very deserving of the HOF, the most deserving in Broncos history, now that Elway is already in. I know. I was there.
And in a following one:
One more comment for the stats guys: Take a look at Elway’s stats and then some stats of those to whom Elway is more highly regarded. If stats alone were the consideration, Elway would take a precipitous plunge down the rankings of all-time quarterbacks. Does that sway your opinion of Elway? Probably not because you saw him play, right?
bq.
All most of you have of Floyd Little is stats. Try to put your uninformed impressions aside and listen to some of us who saw him play.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
"Uninformed impressions"
Exactly so- nicely put AZ. All these schmucks have is their stats and as you nicely illustrate, stats don’t tell the whole story.
Watch the d**m video of the guy actually playing, and THEN tell me he doesn’t belong.
by AllBroncsallday on Jan 31, 2010 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
re: Schwab article
Schwab addresses a subject I’ve pondered, that is — the move from ZB to a more power running game.
First, he addresses a comment that has recently made the rounds, that ZB teams haven’t won the SB since the Broncos last SB win, and he appropriately dismisses it.
The ZB was clearly an effective and productive scheme in the Broncos’ hands but there was one shortcoming that Schwab also addresses:
The zone-blocking scheme may have struggled a bit in short yardage, but it’s impossible to argue the results.
I loved the results that came from using ZB and I said so, but one the one flaw that occurred to me was short yardage/RZ. Steve Nichols weighed in on this and said that there should be no inherent problem using ZB in short yardage. I accept Steve’s comment and there’s also our own past success to support his comments, but I think there’s still more to this argument.
One of the problems with ZB teams is that their OLs are ZB types — lean, athletic, etc. Having ZB-type OLs makes you better at running ZB (of course), but it also means that you’re poorly adapted to a power running game. To illustrate this general idea using something completely different — ‘specialists’ in nature suffer when their environment changes. Dominating one’s own niche in nature is a successful strategy but it suffers when that niche is lost, such as when there’s environmental degradation. Generalists in nature, who adapt to a variety of environments and food sources, are less efficient at what they do than the specialists but are often more successful because of their versatility. They’re also opportunists, and can take advantage of any food source that appears, so they’re well-positioned to take advantage of windfalls besides being versatile and thus not being dependent on any single food source.
When I first contemplated the problem of specialization in nature, it appeared to be a zero sum game; being specialized meant greater efficiency while being versatile meant was lower efficiency but without the disadvantage of niche dependence. You could be good at one thing or sort of good at many things but there were always tradeoffs. However, generalists in nature often do both — they adapt their strategies in order to specialize, and they also share their knowledge with their young, thus experiencing a gain in efficiency that accumulates over lifetimes. Being altricial helped, their young were born undeveloped and thus capable of learning from their elders, who were repositories of knowledge that had been developed over lifetimes.
Note that intelligence is a key factor for altricial organisms. their ability to learn allows them to specialize within a single lifetime. They also are advantaged by having a social unit, since they can learn from whichever member of the unit that possesses knowledge relevant to their situation, besides enjoying the advantages inherent in a group, such as common defense.
There are obvious parallels between strategies in football and nature. One limitation that occurred to me concerning ZB is the apparent RZ deficiency — although it may not be a scheme deficiency, per se. McDaniels recently offered some comments on this subject that are very revealing.
“The teams that run the zone play, that’s predominantly what they do,” McDaniels said. “Because if you’re going to be good at that, you’re going to have to be good at that all the time. We’re not doing that. There will be some zone in there, but we’re not going to major in it.”
In my analysis on this subject, I had tentatively concluded that our problem might be niche dependence. We had clearly been proficient in the running game while using ZB, but the question was whether we had excluded the possibility of success using other strategies by investing too heavily in ZB. And part of our problems of late traced to personnel. Nalen’s absence, although not felt initially, and Hamilton’s decline had hurt our OL’s performance. Even without the loss of considerable talent in the interior-OL, our size was inferior to most teams, and a big disadvantage against some teams. The question I have is whether ZB is a general advantage but a disadvantage in some situations and against some teams. One of the misleading aspects of the statistic citing the prevalence of ZB for SB winning teams is that it identifies our OL according to scheme. While it’s true that we used ZB, it’s misleading to attribute our success to ZB alone. Those were very talented OLs, and many of the best players were not developed in ZB schemes. Mark Schlereth was very talented at pulling, and Zimmerman’s talent had little to do with ZB. My understanding is that many of the good things that those OLs did went beyond the use of a stretch play. They were very physical OLs, although they may appear small now when compared to current standards. It’s not as if we’re abandoning what made us great, which makes ZB into a trope for our OL’s success, what we’re really trying to do — IMO — is get back to the physical nature and versatility of OLs during the SB years. Our successful adoption of the ZB became a double-edged sword in time, and we became increasingly dependent on it. And our OLs gradually became smaller. Like a creature whose environmental niche is threatened, our OL struggles this season pointed to a problem that existed in an area that was previously a strength. We could attempt to re-invigorate our ZB ways and become a one-trick pony once again, but I think that ‘that’ was part of the problem.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Jan 30, 2010 4:21 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Kind of like being the adaptable coyote or the specialized ferret.
Your most salient point is the SB O-line was fierce and physical and dominated other teams regardless of which type of blocking scheme they used.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

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