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2010 NFL Draft Watch: Defensive tackles (part 1)

 So, the community has spoken, and its wishes are as follows:

 

1. Defensive line

2. Offensive line

3. Linebacker

4. Quarterback

5. Receiver

6. Offensive backfield

7. Special teams

8. Defensive backfield

 

This is the order in which I will proceed with my analysis of 2010 Draft prospects.  If you need a refresher on the rules of the game, the original post is HERE.  In brief, I will be looking at guys at each position category with a Broncos filter, taking into account their fit into the Broncos' scheme and/or player profile.  The end goal is to create a "short board" of Bronco-friendly players that may help make draft day a little easier for all of us, so comments and rec's are highly... well, recommended.  And greatly appreciated.

I initially was going to only look at rounds 1-3, but then I realized that one of the major reasons why I wanted to do this for myself was to increase name recognition for the guys picked in the later rounds, before they actually became Broncos.  Rounds 1-3 wasn't going to do anybody much good.  So, I expanded the search to Rounds 1-5, outside of which it will become pretty much a crapshoot for us fans without inside knowledge and one-on-one contact with the players.  The downside to this is that an already daunting project will get bigger.  So, I'm going to split this into pieces as space dictates.  I will begin with the defensive tackles and will move on to defensive ends when the conversation dies down.

I scoured mock drafts and "expert" (I feel like I need a shower all of a sudden) opinion and compiled a more or less consensus of opinion regarding when player X will be available.  We all know the vagaries of Draft Day, so take that with a grain of salt, but it is as good of a starting point as we can get.  After a few brief words, I will offer a final analysis on each player, giving them a "star" grade: 5 means they were born to wear Orange and Blue, 4 means they are an excellent fit, 3 means they are a good but not great fit, and anything below that I'll just list the players along with some quick thoughts as to why I think they don't fit McDaniels' somatotype.

This will be long enough as it is without me yammering on, so let's begin!

 

Star-divide

Ndamakong Suh  (6-4, 302 lbs)  Nebraska, #93

Projected pick: Top 5

Scout.com: 5-star prospect

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We all know the hype, and in this case it is justified.  Mel Kiper, the best financially backed foremost draft guru out there, says this:

Suh has become maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of breaking down tape and analyzing prospects year-round. He'll make an instant impact for whichever team is lucky enough to land him.

I'll not beat a dead horse here; the only way we really have a shot at him is a long-shot trade with either the Rams or the Bucs for B-Marsh.  That being said, he projects as a 3-4 DG in our scheme, in my opinion in the 3-tech position, but he has the ability to play NT just as well.  While he has a quick first step, he is not quite as explosive as McCoy is, which puts his best strength as a run-stopper.  Scouts, Inc. has this to say about his abilities here:

Plays with a great motor. High-effort player... Displays good lower-body strength and excellent upper-body power... He keeps separation, finds the ball quickly and then disengages in a hurry in order to pursue the ball carrier. Displays good overall awareness. Will work down the line of scrimmage and make more plays than most DTs. Works hard to the whistle.  

Don't mistake me, however: he is still a superb bull rush-style pass rusher who has top-end speed to track down mobile QBs.  All signs point to a great fit with the Broncos, but the chance of him actually donning orange and blue are slim. 

FINAL EVALUATION:  5 stars

 

Gerald McCoy  (6-4, 298 lbs)  Oklahoma, #93

Projected pick: Top 5

Scout.com: 5-star prospect

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McCoy is the flip side of the coin to Suh.  Some people (Mike Mayock, for one), rank McCoy higher but they are in the minority.  The general consensus is that Suh's game is more polished and balanced (Suh had 4 INTs, for example).  McCoy possesses the elite quick step off the snap that Suh lacks, but is not as bulky as Suh.  In short, he is a better pass rusher but not as good of a run-stuffer.  In our scheme, he projects to a 5-tech 3-4 DG.

I might be tempted to give him 4 1/2 stars, since we need a run-stuffer more than a pass-rusher on the line.  What is great about him, however, are his personal qualities:

Shows toughness to play through nagging injuries... He is a well-respected leader and was voted a team captain. Serves as president of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Also a member of the AFCA good works team

Like Suh, we're not likely to get him.  But believe me, it would be really nice for us if we did.

FINAL EVALUATION: 5 stars

 

Brian Price  (6-2, 300 lbs)  UCLA, #92

Projected pick: 1st round

Scout.com: 5-star prospect

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A lineman who is considered just behind Suh and McCoy in terms of NFL readiness.  His stats jump out at you: 23 1/2 tackles for a loss and 7 sacks in 2009.  Price's skill is getting into the opposing backfield, doing it quickly, and reliably dropping the guy with the ball.  The Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year, New Era Scouting says this about him:

Flows to the action well and is often found in or near the play. Will shoot the gaps and alter the lane of a running back. Does get locked on to if the intitial explosion off the snap isn’t there. Not a stout run defender that eats up blocks or space, rather a penetrator that can make plays in the backfield... Savvy when he breaks in to the backfield. Times his pursuit well and can easily take a runner down by himself. Shows good form and attacks the waist of a running back. Wraps up well and doesn’t let go

As good as he is vs. the run, he is just as good vs. the pass.  Not only does he have elite upper-body strength, he has a wide repertoire of pass rush moves.  The knock against him is his lower-body strength, which coupled with his lack of serious mass projects him to a 5-technique 3-4 DG.  And what do you know?  We need one of those.  His motor is described as "relentless", so check that box as well.  Would you like to have the next Reggie White in Orange and Blue?  Well, that's who Price models his game after and wants to be.

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FINAL EVALUATION: 4 stars

Edit alert: dropped 1/2 star from Price's score

 

Dan Williams  (6-2, 329 lbs)  Tennessee, #55

Projected pick: 1st round

Scout.com: 5-star prospect

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An MHR favorite, Dan Williams is guy who based on his career path invites comparisons to a current Bronco: Robert Ayers.  At Tennessee, he came into college without much hype but exploded into the consciousness of draft gurus during his senior year.  Based on his size and his low center of gravity, he projects as a 3-4 NT in our scheme.  In fact, he is unquestionably the top NT prospect in this draft.

His strengths are his leverage and upper-body strength, which Scott Wright of Draftcountdown.com describes as "fantastic".  Due to his ability to occupy two blockers and clog running lanes, Wright calls Williams' talents vs. the run as "outstanding".  Still, there are some serious red flags:

Extremely inconsistent --- Effort / Motor runs hot and cold ... Talented prospect who can be as good as he wants to be but shaky intangibles are a big concern

Also, the consensus is that he is one-dimensional, having limited pass-rushing ability and essentially relying on his brute strength to be effective.  Personally, I think that many "motor" issues can be rectified in the NFL, due to the higher level of competition, higher stakes, and better coaching.  Much will depend on the personal interview.  For now, however, he gains major points for filling an area of need (run-stuffing NT) but loses signficant points for lacking the desire that McDaniels & Co. usually look for.  At his position, that is more than a little disconcerting.

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FINAL EVALUATION: 4 stars

Edit alert: added 1/2 star to Williams' score

 

Jared Odrick  (6-5, 301 lbs)  Penn State, #91

Projected pick: 2nd round

Scout.com: 5-star prospect

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The Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year, Odrick has an excellent combination of height, bulk, weight, and speed.  His best asset is his pre-snap anticipation, followed closely by his strength and versatility.  He has played the 3 and 5-technique, the latter in 2009.  For the Broncos, he would play the 5-technique 3-4 DG.  Whereas Price is a disruptive force in the backfield, Odrick's specialty is holding his position and not getting taken out completely by double-teams.  I hope other NFL teams are scared off by his lack of production, because he has all the physical tools and some excellent McDaniels-favored qualities:

Extremely competitive and works hard to fight through blocks.   (Scouts, Inc.)

Active with a non-stop motor... Aggressive --- Competitive --- Smart with superb instincts and awareness --- Hard  worker --- Some schematic versatility  (Draftcountdown.com)

I'll make no secret that I like this guy a lot for the Broncos, because he fills a position of extreme need (quality 5-tech), does so cheaply, and has some very good upside with coaching.  Being an Illini fan, that endorsement should mean a lot.  While he might not be 100% ready to step in right now, targeting him should allow us to get a few other guys that could step in right away, and he's not far off.

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FINAL EVALUATION: 4 1/2 stars

Edit alert: added 1/2 star to Odrick's score

 

Arthur Jones  (6-3, 295 lbs)  Syracuse, #97

Projected pick: 2nd-3rd round

Scout.com: 5-star prospect

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via media.syracuse.com

A fascinating prospect, Scout.com called him "a poor man's Ndamukong Suh... and that's not a bad thing" during the 2009 preseason (they ranked him #13 overall in the nation at that time).  Then he tore a pectoral muscle in February, underwent surgery in March, played while not fully healed for 9 games, and then had knee surgery.  Obviously, durability is a concern.  Still, his talent is impossible to ignore, as is his production his previous two years: 51 tackles (17.5 for a loss) as a sophomore, 60/13.5 as a junior.  He doesn't get a lot of sacks, but consistently commanded double-teams and collapsed the pocket despite this fact.  NFLdraftscout.com raves about his "great hustle" and states:

Makes tackles just after disengaging from blockers, even if he only gets one hand on the ballcarrier. Hustles and chases plays down the line and downfield, which is why his tackle totals are so high for an interior lineman

He was a state champ in wrestling in high school, which is the source of much of his talent at creating pressure in the backfield.  He doesn't quite have as quick of a first-step burst as we really want in a 5-tech, but he would make an excellent 3-tech DG.  In fact, he could also rotate in and take snaps at NT with his tackling ability.  But he's got to stay healthy.  In fact, he reminds me a whole lot of Marcus Thomas, but with significantly better run-stopping ability and slightly less pass-rushing potential.  But here's the finishing touch:

Permanent positive attitude makes him a favorite of coaches and teammates. Has grown into a leadership role during his career

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FINAL EVALUATION: 4 1/2 stars

 

Lamarr Houston  (6-3, 302 lbs)  Texas, #36

Projected pick: 2nd-3rd round

Scout.com: 5-star prospect

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Compact, powerful, agile, and competitive.  That's Houston in a nutshell.  Those of you who liked Evander "Ziggy" Hood for 2009's draft, I give you your new man-crush.  Sergio Kindle and Earl Thomas got most of the press during the season at Texas, but Houston was no slouch.  At only 6-3 and still over 300 lbs, his agility belies his size.  NFLdraftscout.com raves about him:

Extremely agile for a 300-pounder and works relentlessly to reach the quarterback...  Excellent pursuit down the line [on run plays]... strong and has a good punch with violent hands to disengage. Uses low center of gravity to keep leverage against the run... Very strong tackler, comes with aggression and does not let go once in contact with the ballcarrier

The two main problems he seems to have are: 1) unusual 3-point stance from the 5-tech position (see picture), and 2) fears that bigger NFL linemen will engulf him and/or negate his strength advantage.  These are legitimate, but I see in that a versatile lineman who will always work his butt off, even when "engulfed".  Some further notes about his personality confirm this:

Very competitive. Has an above-average motor and is willing to play hurt. Generally quiet, but took over vocal defensive line leadership role as a senior

Here is a guy who steps up when his team needs him.  His performance in the BCS Championship game speaks to that: 10 tackles, 2 for a loss, and a sack.  I see him as a 3-technique DG with 5-technique potential and very solid run-stuffing ability.

FINAL EVALUATION: 4 stars

 

 

NOTICEABLY ABSENT:

Terrence Cody  (6-4, 370 lbs)  Alabama, #62

Projected pick: 2nd round

Scout.com: 5-star prospect

 Size, size, and more size.  Much like Taylor Mays, he had a stellar 2008 season and was exposed in 2009 for some glaring flaws in his game.  The questions haven't stopped, with a Senior Bowl weigh-in of 370 lbs -- up 16 from his listed weight at Alabama.  Maybe he learned from Andre Smith last year.  Just look at this picture.  This is more than just weight -- it's conditioning, motivation, drive, and character.  When you consider his two-down status at the college level and our otherwise relatively secure position at NT, "Mount" Cody is simply not a good fit for the Broncos.  And this is coming from someone who was a bit of a Cody apologist after theSEC Championship game.

FINAL EVALUATION: 2 1/2 stars

 

Wow.  This is a much more daunting task than I anticipated.  Now we know why Brian Xanders gets paid the big bucks!  I will stop it for now, and continue later with the 3rd - 5th round prospects.  If you have any suggestions regarding how to improve the format, please give them to me in the comments.

It is amazing to me how much talent there is at this position in the draft, and how few prospects are poor fits for the Broncos.  Rather than jump over ourselves to get the best DT available as soon as we can, this to me means that we should carefully consider whether or not we can hold out longer on getting a DT, in the hopes that the depth of the talent pool will allow us to have only a slight drop-off.  Concurrently, we can hopefully get an elite prospect at another position that is not as richly stocked.  But that's just me.

Happy reading!

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Awesome

and thanx for the worx. I get your part about the “daunting task”. Can’t wait for the next part.
suggestions:
—> a table with a summary of the players you listed
—> links to some footage if available

What do you despise? By this are you truly known.

by veech on Jan 31, 2010 2:39 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks!

I like the table idea. I’ll consider how to work it in.

Footage is great, and I’ll consider it for the later-round guys. But seriously: you want to make this longer, with a bigger load time? :)

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Jan 31, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Just say NO to Cody

With millions of dollars on the line and he lets himself go?

SAY NO

by Broncolorado on Jan 31, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Alright!

videos are now up.

fyi I put vids in part 2, as well as the summary table

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Great work!

Thanks for dropping some knowledge! Rec’d for sure, can’t wait for the next installment

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Jan 31, 2010 4:24 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks!

It’s done, I’m just waiting for a good time to post it. Also, hopefully this way I can get ahead of the curve

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Awesome work.

Though I was surprised you didn’t have Brandon Graham from Michigan. He really tore it up at the Senior Bowl. I would love to see the analysis on him if you get the time. (Go Wolverines!)

History has a history of making fools of the foolish. - Alexander Wall and.... BAM, Coined!

by USMCWall on Jan 31, 2010 5:34 AM MST reply actions  

I'll ignore the Wolverines comment...

(Illini fan)

Brandon Graham will show up in either the DE installment or the OLB installment. At this time, I’m looking mostly at guys whose “natural” position is DT but who might project as DEs. Don’t worry, DE is next (after part 3 of DTs), and Graham will likely be in the top half of that one.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Jan 31, 2010 8:28 AM MST up reply actions  

part 2, sorry

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

This was very informative and I thank you for your hard work, however

you lost me after you gave Dan Williams 3 1/2 stars and rated almost everyone else higher. Someone who is 6’2" 330 may have an inconsistent motor just because they are a fat ass. I have no concerns with his motor. The only concern I have is that is he like Ayers in being a one year wonder type of prospect. I love Brian Price and watched him play many games this year. I don’t think he projects well to a 3-4 defense, and most people agree with that.

by swg777 on Jan 31, 2010 6:37 AM MST reply actions  

Let me clarify something.

Dan Williams senior and junior year are similar statistically, so in that sense he is not a one year wonder. However, he has only been on everyone’s draft radar for one season.

by swg777 on Jan 31, 2010 7:27 AM MST up reply actions  

And that's concerning, to me.

Not a deal-killer, for sure. But I ran into sites that had player rankings from preseason 2009 and Williams was a 4th-5th round prospect. If he hasn’t significantly improved his game, why is he now a solid 1st-rounder?

This isn’t intended as an end-all argument, just food for thought.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Jan 31, 2010 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for your comments!

I’ll give Williams a second look. Most of the scouting reports I found negatively mentioned his motor/drive in one way or another, so there is obviously something there. It’s possible I let my natural skepticism for fast-risers get the better of me and blow that a bit out of proportion. Still, I think when several sites mention this as something to look out for, I’m cautious. It seems like Williams might be rising due more to need than talent. Even the sites that like him a lot consider him to be solid at what he does, but not great. Here’s a snapshot:

He’s sort of a poor man’s BJ Raji. Not quite as athletic, not quite as strong and not quite as disruptive. Troubling to me is he seems pretty slow afoot which I realize makes no sense criticizing speed on a guy that weighs 330lbs. But compared to other giant landmasses he’s lacking some speed. And no matter what you hear, Williams is basically the same player he was last year, which makes me wonder about his upside [Draftboard Insider]

I certainly don’t think that we are so glaringly bad at NT that we MUST grab the top prospect, or for that matter MUST target the top prospect. I like Fields, Thomas is a good rotational player, and Baker seems to be coming on well. Can we upgrade? Sure. Is Dan Williams an upgrade? Ehh… I’ll look a little more closely.

Price has been talked about as a 4-3 prospect, but I hesitate when easy categories like that are thrown around. NewEraScouting says this about him:

Has experience as a nose tackle, under tackle, and defensive end. Can be moved around because of his athleticism. More of a gap shooter than a stay at home guy

In short, I’d rather have a description of the guy’s skill set, his experience, and his potential and then make my own determination than take the word of someone else. Obviously guys like K.C. Joyner know more about scouting than I do, but they also come into it with assumptions (i.e., a 3-4 defense must have X, Y, and Z type) that can cloud their analysis. The bottom line: I’ve seen Price’s projections, and while 4-3 may be an ideal fit I can’t really see why 3-4 DE isn’t also a great fit. The two are not mutually exclusive, after all. That being said, maybe 4 1/2 stars is too high. I’ll consider him too.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Jan 31, 2010 8:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Ahhhh! A breath of fresh air.

I appreciate this approach. God, himself doesn’t know what the Dove Valley brain trust will come up with. It’s good to see a breakdown of talent by position, and see who might be available. Many, such as myself, don’t have the free time to research the ranks of college football for who is or isn’t talented at their craft. The only things I’m an expert at are how to prepare food for myself, the finer adult beverages available on my budget, and what kinds of toys my dog likes to play with. I’d rather leave the research to the experts, and sit back, read and critique. Thanks for your input.

To me, this is like walking into a car showroom, as opposed to watching commercials. I’d rather see all the rides available than to settle on what someone thinks I want to drive. I enjoy reading the mocks, as some names come up frequently, and familiarity sets in. Still, it’s refreshing to see a few more names not previously mentioned. That’s where surprising treasures are often found.

Most mocks I’ve read have more trades than an Italian opera has deaths. I’d rather see what happens with the cards that are dealt, as opposed to how to play with a hand that we wish we had.

Finally, with this format, you don’t have any more former flying Elvii coming here from NE. Josh can’t convince Bowlen and Kraft to trade teams. Some may want it to happen, but it won’t. Please stop suggesting more Patriot retreads. It’s driving me nucking futs! (That’s obviously not directed at you, ‘tack) I’d rather Josh and co. forge their own identity. I hope he drops the hoodie while he’s at it. I don’t care if he decides on a clown suit. I’d just like to see him be his own man.

I’ll be back for the next episode! Keep em coming.

by jayrockstone on Jan 31, 2010 6:58 AM MST reply actions  

I like the car buying analogy a lot!

Thanks. The next installment should have more Hyundais and fewer Lexuses. And that’s not a bad thing: nothing wrong with a brand-new Elantra! (am I taking the analogy too far?) :)

I’m with you on the mock drafts and trades. Like I said in the introductory installment, I think that usually what they do is just hype guys up to where we are disappointed if we don’t get them, and get us so excited with our mountain of picks that we are almost certain to feel cheated if we don’t get similar results. In short, they run the very real risk of guaranteeing a disappointing and frustrating offseason for the fans.

I kinda like the hoodie look, though… :) (see profile pic)

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Jan 31, 2010 8:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I like mocks,trades,this

and everything that discusses Broncos during the off-season.Keep it all coming.THANK YOU

by Broncolorado on Jan 31, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Much appreciated

By fans like me who only know we need help here, not specifics on what kind of help. I sure don’t want some lazy NT we drafted because he’s big. Since Suh and McCoy won’t make it to us at 10/11, we wait, so what would be real helpful is a list of which ones might be there in each of our slots and which ones(in your opinion) would be worthwhile to try to move up or down to get. Thank you for the work on this and rec’d.

"Just trying to win a MF game."

by Digger24 on Jan 31, 2010 7:07 AM MST reply actions  

I'll consider that in the final version, with the "short board"

It will be later on, so I’ll have a better idea of where players are projected to go. Still, it will be a bit of a crapshoot. Even compiling the average draft position of the guys I have so far, there were often wide variances.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Jan 31, 2010 8:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Awesome

I’ve always liked the idea of Price, and have at least one foot firmly entrenched on the Williams bandwagon. I like Odrick, too— but like Iupati, the Broncos draft position isn’t favorable. Neither is probably worthy of 10/11 and neither will likely last until Denver’ second rounder.

If you only you could mesh Price’s intangibles onto Williams— then you’d have a sure fire candidate at 10/11. Still, I can’t help but to believe that Dan Williams started his journey to becoming a Denver Bronco yesterday. The timing, need, and his ability are all starting to line up to him being a serious candidate, IMO.

So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson

by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 31, 2010 9:22 AM MST reply actions  

I will probably bump Williams' evaluation up a bit

He’s still a good player, and yes one does have to consider his size into motor issues. I am without a doubt 100% against taking him at our current position, however. I would far rather have Price at 10/11 than Williams. I wholeheartedly agree about Price’s intangibles. I would take Williams at 10/11 at his current skill level if he is found to have the same intensity that Price does.

Essentially, I compare him to B. J. Raji and find Williams to come up significantly short. I think Williams’ true talent-based value is a fringe 1st/2nd round player, not in 15-25 range where he currently is going.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 1, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

It'd sure be nice to have a bug inside...

…Dove Valley to get an idea about Baker’s development and where he fits in the plans. I’ve noticed that the assumption is that he’s being groomed at NT, but he also sounds like a guy that can play DE. I’m still learning the nuance of 3-4 DL, so thanks for the information.

Price wouldn’t shock me. By all accounts, he is the epitome of the McX player when it comes to intangibles.

So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson

by PredominantlyOrange on Feb 1, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Completely agree on Baker

It can be frustrating to guess on what our needs are. Still, it’s fun to speculate. For example, if we get a dominating 3-down NT (i.e., a consistent Dan Williams), that allows us to consider rotating Marcus Thomas, Ronald Fields, and Chris Baker all at DE, which means that our needs at that position are significantly less. What would that do for the rest of our draft if that were the case?

I put in the write-up about Williams “much will depend on the personal interview”. If he passes that test, I’m all for taking him possibly even with our 10/11 pick. But only McDaniels knows that.

I put a link at the end of part 2 that leads to an MHR-U article explaining some more about DLinemen. Maybe that will help. It helped me!

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Likely available

Price intrigues me as much as anyone listed that is likely to be available to us. Where do you see Price going, what # in the draft?

by BroncoCUbuffs on Jan 31, 2010 10:02 AM MST reply actions  

#20, give or take a few

Many sites have him going top 15. Almost no one has him going to us, but if Haden and McClain are gone and no one wants to trade with us… who knows.

With his intangibles and clear ability, I would love to see him as a disruptive 3-4 DE/DG in Orange and Blue

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 1, 2010 5:21 AM MST up reply actions  

After the Sr Bowl...

I’d pick 2 players for DE’s in our 3-4…

1. Brian Price (LE)
2. Jared Odrick (RE)

Dan Wiliams will go to high to even consider getting all 3 a possiblity. But in a perfect Bronco’s world, I’d steal all 3. And after yesterday, I believe I’d select Brandon Graham as ILB over McClain too. That’s how you’d get Dan Williams or Brian Price….

"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM

by Hogblog on Jan 31, 2010 10:54 AM MST reply actions  

Terrence Cody

To be fair to Cody, though scouts were disappointed in his conditioning, the daily reviews at several sites including Scott Wright’s suggested that he was impossible to move and called him a “unique prospect”. He will likely have conditioning issues, but he’ll also hold the middle on first and second downs as well as in short yardage. He deserves to fall out of the first round for sure, but if he’s available at #45 we’d seriously have to consider taking the chance.

by jaffe28 on Jan 31, 2010 7:19 PM MST reply actions  

Fair enough

But this is what I see: at NT, while we want to upgrade we are certainly not in a position of dire need. Chris Baker is mostly an unknown, but what we do know is promising. Marcus Thomas is very serviceable, and Fields is more than serviceable for at least one more year.

Cody’s best value is to a team that could use some rotational depth at NT and has enough quality players elsewhere that they have the luxury of picking him. We are in the former position, but are nowhere near the latter. Cody is not a good fit for us and barring any monumental collapse at the Combine/Pro Day will be going nowhere near good value for our purposes.

And in my opinion, that is not at all #45. His value to us would be a fringe 2nd/3rd round prospect, assuming we had at least two of the following three already picked: ILB, C, G. Even then, we would have to look at the CBs and DEs available and think hard about them instead.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 1, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

some to think about

Tyson Alualu

Cam Thomas

Torrell Troup

Anyone in the first 4 rounds is worth considering. Also, Alualu may pop up again when we cover DE34s.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Jan 31, 2010 10:12 PM MST reply actions  

Tyson and Torrell

should be on denver’s board. We could get tremendous value there…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 1, 2010 12:03 AM MST up reply actions  

They're both in part 2

As is Alualu.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 1, 2010 5:17 AM MST up reply actions  

excellent

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 1, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

We'll see, though, on how they fit into the Broncos' plans

Good value, yes. Areas of need, yes. McDaniels-type players? I’ll let you know when I get more information.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 1, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

finished part 2

LOVE Alualu, like Troup a lot, and will be satisfied with Thomas

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

on them

Cam Thomas has seen his stock rise dramatically due the Senior Bowl. Here’s WF:

Cam Thomas, NT, North Carolina

Thomas was one of the more impressive defensive linemen all week and the 3-4 teams took notice. He has great power and displayed an unstoppable bull rush.

I’m still much more interested in getting a DE34 but there’s possibilities involving moving people around.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Feb 2, 2010 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Frank Coyle has us getting

DE34 Derrick Morgan… I have mixed feelings about a DL with our first pick, since we are thick at the position, though not with anyone head and shoulders above the rest. I would like to see a pick that projected more extensive game reps…a true “starter” who we would have a chance to work the heck out of…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 2, 2010 8:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Derrick Morgan is much more of a DE43

and he will rank out as such when I cover the DEs. He doesn’t have the versatility that Price does, and as such projects to his natural 4-3 scheme only.

I agree we have several solid guys right now at DE. Still, we could do a whole lot better, and there are SEVERAL guys I would like to see at that position for us — even in the later rounds. With our first pick, I only see Price being a possibility, but that would be a significant reach.

Several sites have us taking Pierre-Paul with our first pick. I’ll have to wait until I get more info to pass judgment, but it’s not looking too promising so far. I think that a lot of sites aren’t looking too closely at the fit of the player with the team, which is why Pierre-Paul and Morgan go to us frequently. More to come, I guess.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 8:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I note in part 2 that much of the reason for Thomas flying under-the-radar

is because the system he played in at NC didn’t ask him to make big plays. He still passes muster eventually, and he has some solid tools to succeed.

Like I note in a comment above, there are some intriguing possibilities to consider if we pony up for a play-right-now kind of player at NT, considering how that frees up Fields/Thomas/Baker to rotate over to DE potentially. Now we have perhaps addressed two positions with one pick.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 8:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Or with one free agent

I’ve long said the same and couldn’t agree more. I still think if GB doesn’t get Pickett signed by start of FA, McD’s going to head up there and throw some pixie dust and $3M/year at that guy. He just makes too much sense

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Feb 3, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely

The more I think about it and flesh it out, the better it sounds.

The flip side to that is this — the better that option sounds, the less I want us to target/get Dan Williams. With Pickett sitting in the middle and rotating with Fields/Baker, we could get Torrell Troup late (his 2nd/3rd grade above is VERY generous) or even a project in the 6th/7th/CFA — like Ekom Udofia, Kade Weston, or Al Woods. Now we have depth and time to develop them.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 3, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

sorry, brain fart

Troup is in part 2 and has a 3rd/4th round grade, which is still generous but not as much as before.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 3, 2010 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Feb 3, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Good work Sharpe

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by KaptainKirk on Feb 1, 2010 7:05 PM MST reply actions  

Great concept & Format

Can’t wait for more. Great work.

by rg2247 on Feb 1, 2010 7:27 PM MST reply actions  

Glad you like it!

more will be coming soon

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 8:12 PM MST up reply actions  

This is great. After reading this, I would most certainly love to obtain both Odrick AND Art Jones

I think both players have elite potential in the right scheme, and they both seem to be perfect fits for the 3-4 defense. I like Odrick’s athleticism and Jones’ brute. Wouldn’t mind of those guys were our first and third picks respectively.

Great post, and I really like your scouting report of Price, who we talked about before. I like defensive linemen like him and Houston who have low centers of gravity. I think that’s an important asset to have when evaluating defensive linemen, because they need to be able to get a push.

by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 3, 2010 2:22 PM MST reply actions  

Considering Jones' ability to rotate at NT

and how that would free up Fields/Thomas/Baker/ to do some DE rotation, that may be our best bet to solidify that area for years to come. This would also (hopefully) alleviate injury concerns on Jones’ part. Consider this depth chart:

RDE: Holliday, Thomas, Baker
NT: Fields, Jones, Baker, Parker
LDE: McBean, Odrick, Fields

And that’s assuming we part ways with Peterson and Smith. That is quality depth, top to bottom. We could still use a luxury pick in a later draft for a pass-rushing RDE, but if we can somehow snag Odrick and Jones, that puts us in fantastic position to make that a BPA area instead of need. I’ve always thought that Thomas’ potential is far greater at RDE, and he could develop very well there if given the opportunity.

We’d likely have to trade up/down into 1st/2nd territory to get Odrick, and most people will want us to take Pouncey there istead. But suppose some team in the first round reaches and he’s off the board. I would be more than happy with Odrick there, and Jones will likely be available by our 3rd. We just have to make sure that we get either Asamoah or J. D. Walton — the talent dropoff at C/G hybrids after them is quite significant. Maybe Matt Tennant, but he’s a pure C.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 3, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

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