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Mayock's rankings


NFL channel's Micheal Mayock, a draft and college football analyst, recently produced his rankings of draft eligible players -- posted below the jump.

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MAYOCK'S RANKINGS

I didn't have extensive comments but one ranking that's surprising is McCoy over Suh.

Some other surprises -- Bryan Bulaga @ #2 for OTs, which is only a mild surprise. Also, Vladimir Ducasse as the #5 OT.

Another surprise is Kyle Wilson as the #2 CB.

In perhaps another unexpected result, the Safety rankings include some lesser known names, after Berry and Mays.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Hi Colinski. Thanks for this.

I’m interested in the prospect of drafting a tackle with our first pick. With Harris’s injury a big unknown, I thought it would be an interesting tactic to cover that risk. In a couple of years it may hedge against contract demands with Harris and Clady in subsequent years.

My question is:

Who would be more value/risk hedge? Iupati playing guard but backing up as tackle? Or would you cover your risk better by drafting one of these tackles to play guard but being a stronger backup for Harris? And if it’s the latter, which of the tackles would you consider?

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by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 1, 2010 1:58 AM MST reply actions  

Iupati did struggle outside...

of playing left guard at the Senior Bowl but I do think that with experience he would be a solid right tackle. I would risk drafting him with the idea of him playing left guard and being a possible replacement for Harris. I’m just not sure that I would draft him as high as 10/11.

by Kapiti on Feb 1, 2010 2:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah. Bit of a reach at 10/11

Reason why I thought OT may be better value. The transition from tackle to guard is easier than the other way around.

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by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 1, 2010 5:51 AM MST up reply actions  

to reiterate points I've made below

It’s an idea that occurred to me, and obviously to others, too.

We’ve had some versatile OLs in recent times, such as Myers (now with Houston). The value of the OT is partly derived from his usage, though. In other words, an OT is useful because of what he does; not what he is. There’s some value in having a backup, but would you want to spend more for a backup than a starter? Harris was a 3rd round pick, and there’s a dilemma once he returns and you have 3 starting OTs. Would we want to move him?

I think the value at #10/11 is best recouped through a trade when we’re looking at OTs being the BPA. And that also relies on there being a specific prospect coveted by a number of teams.

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by Colinski on Feb 1, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

OL issues

Some of these questions could be better answered by the ‘Xs and 0s’ guys. The first thing that occurs to me is that some of the OTs are too tall to play OG. Another difference is in pass protection, which LTs must excel at, which leaves the players who excel at run blocking at OG or RT (who also must pass protect but have help in the TE).

I’ve already proposed taking at RT/RG type to cover both positions, and Mayock inspired this idea since he advocates moving OTs to OG.

Most of the talent on the OL is at OT so looking at that position for OL help is a sound idea. And RT is an easier position to address since they’re not expected to be as adept at pass blocking. Both Iupati and Ducasse were/are being looked at for their potential at OT, but Senior Bowl practices have cooled enthusiasm for this idea. Both are now being projected solely at OG now. However, there are some versatile OLs who can switch between OG and OT. Hochstein can play anywhere on the OL. Kuper was being considered for a switch to OT in the offseason two years ago. And we’ve seen some draftees by other teams recently, such as Max Unger, who have the ability to play anywhere on the OL, although they’re better suited to some positions.

The downside in taking an OT is that we’d be relying on a rookie, and even a player with Clady-like ability would either supplant existing talent or be moved back to the bench once Harris returns. It’s a problem of efficiently delegating resources; too little and we’re weak at RT, too much and we waste them on the bench. Our best recourse at this point may be to find another veteran OT, preferably better than Gorin.

I haven’t given up on the ‘hybrid OT/OG’ project, but it appears to be solution for a slightly different problem. A replacement for Harris needs to be ready immediately, whereas a hybrid T/G could be developed for the future.

The only prospect I’ve identified as being (probably) able to switch between OT and OG is Bryan Bulaga. The problem — again — is that he’s a high pick. The OTs would have provided a possible way of using our 1st pick if we lacked an reasonable alternative this year. There’s a number of OTs around our pick so it’s possible that the BPA at #10/11 would be an OT. However, the value in OT is in their value on the field, and mostly as LTs, so bench-sitters and OGs aren’t as justifiable as picks.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Feb 1, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Okay sweet.. probably a scratch then

The combination of over-stocking a position and the likelihood that they won’t be NFL ready enough to cover both positions immediately is likely to make an OT draft unlikely.

Thanks Colinski. Learn something new everyday with you man.

It did appear to me that OT does appear to be a strong position in the spot that we trade. But as you’ve said, that strengthens the spot for a trade down scenario.

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by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 1, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

roster math redux

What has to be kept in mind is that Harris’ injury may prevent him from starting the season. He’ll probably start the season on PUP, so we don’t have to count him against the target number for the OL. For that reason, we have some leeway at OT numbers, although it constricts our pick range. The target for OT = 4. We have Clady, Polumbus, Gorin/UFA, (PuP: Harris), which counts as 3.

It wouldn’t be a bad idea to draft an OT. It’s my feeling that a draftee somewhere around the middle rounds would suit our purposes. Developing some depth at OT is a good idea. My estimate of a middle rounder (~4 – 5) is based on usage as a projected backup. Drafting an OT much higher doesn’t make sense since we’d create crowding with Clady and Harris. And drafting an OT too low risks inefficaciousness. We want someone good enough to make the team but not so good that we have to use a high pick on someone who’s only going to become a backup.

Our hope is that Harris recovers, but we have to replace him for the interim and the easiest way of doing that is to bring in a vet, or keep Gorin — although I have doubts on him. We lack depth at OT so we’d like to develop some, but the youth of Clady and Harris makes the prospective draftee’s roster spot a career dead end. And in the event of Harris returning, we may have cut one OT. Either the draftee, the new vet or Polumbus could be cut at that point, so we’ve either wasted the middling pick at that point, a UFA, or Polumbus, who’s a fairly cheap and useful backup that we’d like to keep.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Feb 1, 2010 11:33 PM MST up reply actions  

RE: OT target

I have us at needing 6 OTs to go into camp, though 2 of them could be considered “throw away” choices.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 2, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I am a Mayock fan but

his stock took a little hit with me when he declared Robert Ayers would be the best defensive player taken in the 09 draft.

by swg777 on Feb 1, 2010 5:27 AM MST reply actions  

Why?....Ayers had a good season. Maybe you wanted more...we all did...but he flashed and Ayers will be a great player!

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by boydy2669 on Feb 1, 2010 6:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree with boydy

He (Ayers, not Boydy…) got better and better as the season went along. He did his job within the scheme of the Defense as I saw it.

ps – Boydy probably got better as the season went along as well… ;-)

by topnation on Feb 1, 2010 8:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Scott Wright predicted the Ayers pick

Wright has a very good record of predicting picks, as his archive shows. Predicting who teams will pick may not seem impressive but it shows that he’s in tune with their needs and evaluation processes.

It’s hard to understand criticism of the Ayers pick except as an offshoot of Jaygate.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Feb 1, 2010 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

To be fair

Mayock said he would eventually be the best defensive player from that draft, I think he realized that Ayers was at least three years away from being productive, I still think Mayock does a very good job and generally is pretty unbiased.

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by Broncoman on Feb 1, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought Ryan Mathews as the 2nd running back was surprising

Thanks for the post Mr.!

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by Alex on Feb 1, 2010 12:46 PM MST reply actions  

In what way did Ducasse surprise you @ 5 -

Did you think that he should be higher or lower? What I heard from the Senior Bowl coverage sounded pretty bad.

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by Doc Bear on Feb 1, 2010 6:55 PM MST reply actions  

lower

Mayock is high on him, maybe a little too high (although Mayock rates final potential). Ducasse is a wonderful prospect as an athlete but he’s still got some learning to do. Mayock has him in with the1st round draft picks. I think the story is that there’s a big gap between 4th and 5th OTs. Bruce Campbell is the only other candidate for the top OTs, and he’s a very unfinished prospect, too.

Also note that the list is pre-Senior Bowl.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Feb 1, 2010 11:54 PM MST up reply actions  

While no draft "expert" is actually an "expert"

I prefer Mayock’s opinion 50 times more than the likes of Kiper, etc.

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by Joe Medina on Feb 1, 2010 10:39 PM MST reply actions  

Kiper is OK

Mayock is a good source but Kiper’s pretty accurate, too. Try doing a follow up after the draft. You can measure how accurate they were.

I looked at Kiper’s 1st round MOCK and thought it pretty good — unlike most here.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Feb 2, 2010 12:15 AM MST up reply actions  

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