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Horse Tracks 1/4/10 - Broncos finish 8-8 after KC's Jamaal Charles runs for 259 yards, 2 TDs

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The Pain:
1 - The Chefs rushed for 317 yards in embarrassing the Broncos 44-24
2 - LB Derrick Johnson ran back two Kyle Orton INTs for TDs - one for 45 yards, the other for 60 yards
3 - The Broncos finished 8-8 for the second consecutive season and are now 32-32 over the past four years with zero playoff appearances
4 - After starting the year 6-0, Denver finished 2-8
5 - Denver was 0-3 at home this season versus AFC West opponents
6 - The home crowd didn't exactly help, booing the Broncos early and often - shame on those "fans"

The Solace:
1 - With the Ravens and Jets winning, Denver would not have made the playoffs, even had they won
2 - Not that you can take any games for granted (see yesterday), but the Broncos' 2010 schedule looks somewhat lighter than this year's, at first glance
3 - The Broncos have a head coach who will not put up with players who exhibit losing or "me-first" attitudes
4 - Kyle Orton's first year in the Erhardt/Perkins/Weis/McDaniels Offense was statistically quite similar to Tom Brady's first three seasons in New England (for what that's worth). Take note of the YPA, Rating, Yards, Comp %, TDs, INTs, Big Plays

NFL - Kansas City Chiefs 44 at Denver Broncos 24 - Box Score

DB - Chiefs Postgame: McDaniels - Broncos TV

DB - Chiefs Postgame: Report - Broncos TV

NFL GameDay - Chiefs vs. Broncos highlights - Videos

DPP - No playoffs for Broncos - Mike Klis

DPP - B-Marsh's final word: You can't count on me - Mark Kiszla
"Denver coach Josh McDaniels was 100 percent correct to tell Marshall to stay home when the Broncos had everything on the line."

NFL - 2010 opponents
Denver Broncos - Home: Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Houston, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Seattle, Jets
Away: Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Arizona, San Francisco, Baltimore

Star-divide

DB - Chiefs Postgame: Orton - Broncos TV

DB - Season Finishes On Sour Note - Chris Gentilviso

DB - Career Day Dampened - Gray Caldwell

DPP - Broncos live, die with the pass - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Charles charges ahead Coach Todd Haley's challenge to RB pays off - Mike Chambers

DPP - Defense, big plays unravel Broncos - Lindsay Jones

DPP - Briefing: Benching of Marshall came after Broncos' veterans requested accountability
"Denver outside linebacker Elvis Dumervil was held without a sack but finished with a franchise-record 17 sacks for the season. He became the first Bronco to lead the NFL in sacks."

DPP - Broncos play same song to end season - Jim Armstrong

DPP - No need for review: Broncos flat-out quit - Woody Paige
I quit reading this one halfway through.

CSG - Broncos won't advance to playoffs after loss to Chiefs - Frank Schwab

CSG - Broncos notes: Orton hopes to return to team - Frank Schwab

AP - Broncos Lose 44-24, Eliminated From Playoffs - Arnie Stapleton

Y! - Broncos may be worse off under McDaniels - Charles Robinson

NFL - Benching flap reveals still-frayed McDaniels-Marshall relationship - Jason La Canfora

AFC West News

KCS - Chiefs end season on a winning note with victory over Broncos - Kent Babb

KCS - Charles has a record-setting day for Chiefs - Adam Teicher

KCS - Chiefs can put their faith in Charles - Adam Teicher

KCS - Pioli says he saw growth from Haley this year - Adam Teicher

KCS - Chiefs linebacker Johnson makes a couple of big plays - Kent Babb

KCS - Chiefs buzz | KC gets fifth pick in the draft - Adam Teicher

SDUT - Plenty in reserves - Kevin Acee

SDUT - No denying this team is loaded - Kevin Acee

SDUT - Healthy Davis working his way back - Kevin Acee

SDUT - Bolts’ depth does in Skins - Chris Jenkins

SDUT - Norv can prep at his own pace - Tim Sullivan

SFC - Russell makes his case - to be cut in the offseason - Gwen Knapp

SFC - Loss No. 11 might preclude 11th-hour save for Cable - David White

SFC - No Pro Bowl, but Janikowski won't go unrewarded - David White

SFC - Raiders players say coach Cable should keep job - David White

NFL Results

NFL - Washington Redskins 20 at San Diego Chargers 23

NFL - Baltimore Ravens 21 at Oakland Raiders 13

NFL - Indianapolis Colts 7 at Buffalo Bills 30

NFL - New Orleans Saints 10 at Carolina Panthers 23

NFL - Jacksonville Jaguars 17 at Cleveland Browns 23

NFL - New England Patriots 27 at Houston Texans 34

NFL - New York Giants 7 at Minnesota Vikings 44

NFL - Atlanta Falcons 20 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10

NFL - San Francisco 49ers 28 at St. Louis Rams 6

NFL - Pittsburgh Steelers 30 at Miami Dolphins 24

NFL - Chicago Bears 37 at Detroit Lions 23

NFL - Philadelphia Eagles 0 at Dallas Cowboys 24

NFL - Green Bay Packers 33 at Arizona Cardinals 7

NFL - Tennessee Titans 17 at Seattle Seahawks 13

NFL - Cincinnati Bengals 0 at New York Jets 37

NFL News

WP - Redskins fire Zorn after 2 seasons

NFL - Patriots fear Welker’s injury is severe

NFL - Johnson reaches 2,000 yards, sets mark for yards from scrimmage

NFL - Texans excercise option to keep Schaub, give QB $10 million bonus

NFL - NFL looks to player safety with helmet study, possible rule changes

NFL - Goodell: Incentives possible for playoff teams who use starters

NFL Opinion

SF - The Mothership - Ted Bartlett

NYT - Initial Peek at A.F.C. Playoff Matchups - Judy Battista

NYT - Initial Peek at N.F.C. Playoff Matchups - Judy Battista

NFL - AFC Fear Factor: Chargers, not Colts, are scariest team - Vic Carucci

NFL - NFC Fear Factor: Cowboys are conference's most dangerous team - Steve Wyche

Y! - Colts equipped to shake off late losses - Jason Cole

Y! - NFC features classic collection of QBs - Jason Cole

SI - NFC looks wide open, more Snap Judgments - Don Banks

SI - Wes Welker's injury, 2009 NFL Playoff favorites, more Week 17 - Peter King

ESPN - John Clayton's Last Call

SN - Cowboys' physical message may have lasting effect - Vinnie Iyer

CBS - Cowboys most likely to represent NFC in Super Bowl - Pete Prisco

FOX - No late-season swoon for Cowboys - Alex Marvez

FH - No Knee Jerk, 'Boys Are Team to Beat - Kevin Blackistone

FH - Eagles Licking Wounds After Falling Hard - Nancy Gay

SN - Vikings re-establish momentum in time for playoffs - Dennis Dillon

FH - Let's Hear It for Rex in the City - Jay Mariotti

FH - Jets Roll Bengals, and Just Might Again - Dan Graziano

CBS - Bengals better stop Jets' Wildcat next week ... or else - Clark Judge

PFW - Ranking the defensive coordinators

FH - Redskins' Misery Will Continue Until Snyder Vanishes - David Whitley

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Thanks for the Solace Doug!

"I'm not really good at being a shifty kind of guy who likes to make moves -- I like to be a straight-line guy and run over somebody if I can."
-Peyton Hillis

by NYBronco on Jan 4, 2010 5:54 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks Doug, I also appreciate your presentation of the positives

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Jan 4, 2010 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Denver will pick 11th in round 1, which comes from Chicago as part of the Cutler deal.

Seattle will pick 14th in round 1, which comes from Denver for Alphonso Smith.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 6:18 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

If McDaniels doesn’t accept a losing attitude, he has a lot of guys to cut after yesterday’s quit fest. Me thinks it’s all talk. Talk about accountability all you wish, but please Broncos, please don’t back it up with any show of effort. All I saw was a tough talking Bronco team that played with indifference yesterday. Talk is cheap. Try playing like you care next time.

Notable quitters included Goodman, Clady, Hill, DJ Williams, Ben Hamilton, LeKevin Smith, Kuper (we’ll include Marshall and Scheff since they didn’t seem to want to play).
Notable slippers (guys that were better in Sept than Dec): Dawkins – what the hell happened to this guy during the season, Andra Davis – you played like Nate Webster in December, and Peterson.

All Fine team – Robert Ayers. Another no impact game from our 1st round pick. He’ll be $25,000 lighter in the pocket after his cheap shot of Charles yesterday. Merry Christmas Robert, enjoy the last give from the NFL in the form of a letter from Goodell.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 6:27 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

So, you’d prefer we had guys like Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler?

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by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 4, 2010 7:36 AM MST up reply actions  

I’d prefer Broncos backed up their tough talk once in a while. I actually felt bad for McDaniels for the 1st time ever yesterday. The well paid vets like DJ and Champ told McDaniels they wanted him to play hardball with Marshall, Scheff and maybe a few other guys. But when McDaniels took action, several of our so called captains and vets did what they have been doing the past several years – collected their paycheck and disappeared. Yesterday, I saw a lot of Broncos that were mentally checked out – maybe in in Phoenix or Orlando playing golf or the like.

Yesterday’s game was like watching a general lead his troops out of the trenches towards enemy lines only to notice that that after running 50 yards, none of his troops followed the general.

Denver quit on McDaniels exactly like we quit on Shanahan. They tuned him out. But there was no Marshall, Scheff or Cutler to blame this time. The 45 guys on the field yesterday (well, not Gaffney, Moreno and maybe a few others), but most of the guys yesterday played with no effort or drive.

They left their coaching hanging BIG TIME. It was painful to watch and the home crowd let the team know they didn’t appreciate another sorry late season effort.

 I bet McDaniels didn’t sleep one second last night. And he has to be asking himself what the #### just happened.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 7:46 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Quit?

Those players didn’t play their best game, that doesn’t mean that they quit! That’s just a stupid statement! Goodman has been good all year but I admit yesterday he was not wrapping guys up, same as Hill, BUT that doesn’t mean they QUIT. DJ quit? The game I watched he raced down the field and had a couple touchdown saving tackles, a quitter would have QUIT running. Hamilton, there was a reason why he was benched this year, not because he quit, he just doesn’t have it anymore. How do you know LeKevin quit? How did Clady quit? He gave up more sacks than last year but I would think its kind of hard to keep up that level of excellence I don’t care who you are. If you seen the holding call Clady got yesterday, Hali got around and was gonna get a clean shot on Orton, If Clady QUIT he would of let him go. Honestly, I think we need a LG and a C and on Defense, a couple D-ends, and a MLB who can stay on the field for 3 downs. I just don’t agree with this whole quitting thing.

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by milehighinTO on Jan 4, 2010 7:55 AM MST up reply actions  

If the word “quit” is getting in your way of seeing what happened yesterday, then substitute the word “quit” for “showed minimal effort in a must win situation”. Goodman, Hill, DJ, Clady, Kuper and the rest of them played a lot harder in September than they did in December – it’s becoming a Bronco tradition.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 8:11 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Where's the evidence they quit?

Sorry McGeorge, I have agreed with a lot of what you have said over the last 17 weeks, you have rightly put forward a vital and necessary alternative point of view on this forum which I welcome, but on this issue I do have to ask how do you know they quit?

Is it not possible that they just got beat (or outcoached) in individual matchups?

Why do so many here always assume it’s a “heart” issue. I see the same thing happen here in England with soccer. Whenver a team loses a game half the fans start bemoaning the supposed lack of effort by the players. But win the next game and suddenly the team has “heart” again.

I think it’s a psychological defense mechanism by fans of all sports the world over. If your team has talent issues then the rebuilding process is so much harder. But kid yourself that all the team needs is some more “heart” and suddenly Superbowl/World Cup/World Series etc success is just around the corner.

Don’t mistake lack of talent for lack of effort.

by British Bronco on Jan 4, 2010 9:03 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

You're wrong.

I’m not mistaking lack of talent for effort.

Denver was never a 6-0 team, but they weren’t a 2-8 team either.

The loss yesterday was all about lack of effort, lack of team work, and lack of motivation. I’m disappointed, but not angry we lost to Philly or Indy, but losing at home to Oakland and the Chiefs when we had everything to play for and all they had was professional pride…. The talent excuse holds no water there. What I saw yesterday as a lack of pride in any form from several Denver Broncos. It was pathetic.

If you like soccer so much, The Broncos lost at home to a Chief team that already knew they were going to be relegated to a lower division.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

But my question remains...how do you know it was a lack of pride?

My concern is that the team has deep seated talent issues. (I think you share those concerns). I think the reason we lost to KC and Oakland is that we’re not that much better talent wise than they are.

But I find it hard to condemn any man for lack of effort/pride etc when all I can do is watch the TV and see a series of botched plays. For all you (or I) know that player could be trying his hardest trying to execute a bad play call, or trying to cover for a missed assignment by a teammate for example. You’re not a mind reader. Neither am I.

You called out several players by name earlier – Clady, Kuper etc. Give me an example of a play where they just “gave up”.

by British Bronco on Jan 4, 2010 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I re-watched the game last night looking exactly for this.

Clady in the 2nd half was abominable. He was sloppy and lazy. The sack he gave up made him look like George Foster. In fact, Clady looked a lot like George Foster yesterday. Kuper got pancaked twice, just like he did last week in Philly.

Goodman totally bailed on trying to tackle Charles on a run late in the 3rd quarter. Hill did the same a few players earlier – like he did in Philly on a Celek TD. You could find examples on more than 20 plays yesterday where you just said "what the #### was that" – most of them were miss-made by the D. I’m really disappointed in the lack of leadership shown by their captains (Bailey and Dawkins). Those guys did NOT lead by example yesterday. You expect a lot more from the guys you pay like Superstars.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I didn’t have the stomach to watch that game a second time, I commend you for your effort =)

by Todd Jewell on Jan 4, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

He was terrible IMO. Showed no leadership when it was badly needed.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

It looked to me

like both Oak & KC played their best games of the year against us. Both those teams have talent, they just haven’t been able to put it together week in and week out. Yet against a bitter division rival, they both came with their A Game. It sucks that we lost to both of those teams at home, but for both of those games, the better team on that day won. You have to tip your hat to them, because they came out and played great. It’s disappointing for sure, but we lost because KC played their best football of the year, not because we quit.

Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

by c_style on Jan 4, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve heard that “our opponent played their best game vs us” concept about four times too many this season (Baltimore, Pitt – which subsequently went on a five game losing streak, Washington, Oakland, KC). Do you really believe that? Maybe so.

I don’t. At some point, maybe the other team isn’t playing their best. We are just playing our worst. We played our worst game yesterday, we played awful for Washington. We played very poorly vs Oakland and poorly vs Pitt. We barely scored vs Baltimore.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 9:43 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Right

Why did OAK and KC play their best game against a bitter rival, when they did not have playoffs to play for? Actually, I don’t care. I care for the opposite: why did Broncos play very poorly against bitter division rivals PLUS in a game to get into playoffs?

by si_ice on Jan 4, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Because our talent is not so low as to be blown out at home by KC

and in a decisive game of the season, to boot. If we were that bad, no way we would’ve put on a 6 win streak. And the same thing argues against it being purely on coaching.

by si_ice on Jan 4, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Lets give two guys credit

Orton and Gaffney played their tails off yesterday. Some are not fans of Orton, but I want him behind center for us next year. I dont expect him to be a very mobile QB, but he did extend some plays yesterday for us, and diving head first for that first down proved he was only concerned about this game and not golfing this offseason.

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Jan 4, 2010 9:35 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Moreno also played well. I thought Polumbus showed a lot of pride as well. Even thought I blame him for some losses, Berger had a good game.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Berger

What was up with Berger yesterday? He played awesome! Does he have to have his replacement on the bench in order for him to play like that or what?

Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

by c_style on Jan 4, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Berger is wildly inconsistent. I doubt he ever plays again in Denver.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Weren't most of Berger's punts fairly short

and they ended up in great field position because he was kicking from somewhere around the 40 -50 yd?

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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

He was dropping them inside the 20 like it was nothing

I agree, he didn’t have a bunch of booming 60 + yarders, but he was very impressive on the coffin corner kicks.

Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

by c_style on Jan 4, 2010 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed

Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.

Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Prater

Kickoffs into endzone and no misses

by si_ice on Jan 4, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Bruton and Barrett on special teams were huge.

Bruton had better results, but the effort from both was huge.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Another good call. I thought Quinn played hard. I don’t think he is good, but he did play his butt off.

Poor Alphonso Smith looked ridiculous out there trying to make plays. That was scary, he was trying so hard and the more he tried the worse it got.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd agree with that.

He was overreaching, trying to make something happen. Same with Hillis. I was glad to see him getting some form of touches, but I guess his fate in Denver was really sealed when he brought that one out from 4 yards deep and only got to the 14. I actually muttered, “Oh no Peyton, don’t do it.”

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Gotta appreciate the effort though

And that kind of effort has gotta be a sign of good things to come. Cornerbacks who kick ass from the get go are very rare. I think Fonz is the kinda guy who’ll work hard in the offseason and come back a much better player.

Well at least I hope so. But really, at this point, all Broncos fans have is hope.

Man oh man does that 14th pick look good though..

by RockyMountainHigh on Jan 4, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Based on the results so far, this trade was a train wreck for Denver. Smith looked and played like a 7th round pick most of the year. Tony Carter might have had a better season than Smith.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 5:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow, Doug

Must have been painful collecting all those links on a day like today. You are a pro’s pro — thanks for your efforts today and all season long. Your consistency is greatly appreciated.

Now, back to crying in my Corn Chex.

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Jan 4, 2010 6:47 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks BM, and you’re very welcome. It hasn’t been fun the past four Mondays, but that’s sports – right?

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by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 4, 2010 7:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Just substitute beer for the milk on the Chex and it will help...a little.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and then used against you.

by improv88 on Jan 4, 2010 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I reached straight for the gin

Mmmm corn chex martini. The breakfast of champions!

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Jan 4, 2010 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Doug!

-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Jan 4, 2010 7:05 AM MST reply actions  

Good Morning Doug,

Well I have a suspicion this will be another busy offseason with “star” players getting traded/signed. So here’s to 13-3 in 2010.

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Jan 4, 2010 7:34 AM MST reply actions  

Oh and these fair weather fans

First you Boo Orton when he throws the ball away because it’s so unCutleresque. Then you Booo him when tries to make a play and throws a INT, alright whatever. You Boo the home team in the first five minutes of a game we need to win agianst the Chiefs to get into the playoffs, awesome. OK i get it, you hate to be a fan of the Broncos because they don’t go 16-0 every season, maybe you should unload your season tickets and let someone who has been waiting years for these damn tickets so we can finally have a home field advantage again this decade.

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Jan 4, 2010 7:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Really!

If they fel that bad, why don’t they break out the brown bags.
Thanks Doug.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Jan 4, 2010 8:02 AM MST up reply actions  

RE "fans" booing.

1) Fans boo because that is the only way while in the stadium to really voice STRONG displeasure and disapproval of the team, players and coaches.
2) Bronco fans historically haven’t booed. But they also haven’t had to deal with the stupid crap and drama that has gone on at Dove Valley.
3) Booing does not make them any less a fan than those that don’t boo.

Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.

Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:09 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

No team will ever enjoy a home field advantage when they elect not to play with indifference. 0-3 at home vs the division?

The excuse machine never ends.. Now we’re on to blaming the season ticket holders… That’s pathetic.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 8:17 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Not an excuse for another epic collapse

One question. So it’s Ok to Boo your team at home when they don’t convert on 3rd down in the first quater with playoff implications?

Now thats what I call getting behind your team.

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Jan 4, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

If a fan shells out a couple of thousand dollars a year to watch the crap McDaniels and his team put on the field yesterday, by all means… do whatever you want. Boo, cheer, cry, get drunk, scream, sleep…

The ROI from attending yesterday’s game was negative – thanks entirely to the dismal effort shown by the home squad.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 8:37 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree to Disagree

I have nothing against showing your emotions late in a game we are getting blown out, great let the team hear how you feel about their performance. Sometimes they need it, and we need to let out our frustrations. I was extremely angry/frustrated by the end of the 3rd quarter, not on our 2nd possession of the game.

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Jan 4, 2010 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

That is only because you took a very short term view of what happened over the last two months. Those boos were not about going 3 and out to start the game when we faced a 2nd and 1. Those boos were about the repetition of yet another epic Bronco collapse.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

What about the crowd cheering so loud that it shook the cameras

Happened four times, every time was a high leverage situation for the defense. And I just can’t call what I saw from McD crap. He doesn’t choose to leave his position to go try to make the tackle rather than staying home and making sure the cutback lane does not exist (DJ, we are looking at you). Or get blown up by an average NT disrupting every run between the tackles (Wegman mostly, but Hamilton and Kuper were there multiple times). Or drop a ball that hits his hands because he is already running up field (Graham).

I did not see a lack of effort, till the game was all over but the crying, I saw a lack of execution. And in the NFL execution is what you need more than anything.

by Arimaris on Jan 4, 2010 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

You did see a lot of defenders by out of the team D concept and go into me first mode as the season progressed. Andra Davis pulled a Nate Webster and overran several plays yesterday. DJ Williams did the same.

Why do you think I keep saying the players tuned out their coaches. It’s all talk, no action.

As for as Center goes… other than Royal, Weigmann fell of more than any other Bronco in 2009.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 9:47 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Graham was awful, but he was playing hurt. At least that is a legit excuse.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Who's making excuses?

Or do you only consider your own opinions to be valid statements and reasons, and everyone else’s to be excuses?

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by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 4, 2010 8:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Guys that point fingers at fans when the team plays like crap are MAKING EXCUSES.

My own opinion was that Cutler was a franchise QB. I was dead wrong and I can admit that – so I’m not always right. Not even close.

But I will call BS on blaming a supposed lack of talent or fan support for another epic collapse by the Broncos. That was all about tuning out the coach and the players (most of them) mailing it in again. The booing was a byproduct of another string of miserable performances by McDaniels and his all talk no action team.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 8:34 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Obviously, they didn’t lose because of the booing. Nobody here is saying anything remotely close to that. Considering that you don’t like half the players yourself, why would you say there’s not a lack of talent?

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by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 4, 2010 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Okay Doug. We are considerably less talented than the Raiders, Cheifs and Redskins… If that lie makes you feel better, by all means… believe it.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 8:38 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Once again, something neither I nor anyone else has said or written.

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by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 4, 2010 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Right back to where we started.

Awesome.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL

8-8?

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by KaptainKirk on Jan 4, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Let's not reinvent history

Let’s all try to remember that this isn’t the only team that’s gotten booed by the home fans. I’ve been to games where the crowed booed Big John. Plummer was booed off the field in pre-season one year. It happens everywhere- even here.

It happens and it’s really not the end of the world- wish people wouldn’t take it so flippin seriously.

Of course the crowd was unhappy, and who can blame them.

by AllBroncsallday on Jan 4, 2010 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

true.

and i’d add that most players worth their salt react to booing with a matter-of-fact “we deserved it. i would’ve booed us too.”

by oxmouth on Jan 4, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Play badly and expect to hear about it. Besides, it’s not like Denver is anywhere close to a place like Philly anyway. Not all boos are created equal.

by AllBroncsallday on Jan 5, 2010 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

An easier schedule?

I’m not sure that next year is that much of a lighter schedule..

Taking out the AFC West:

@ Home:
Houston – Getting better every year ..
Indianapolis – duh
St. Louis – Powder Puff
Seattle – Powder Puff #2
Jets – Playoff team as we know and should be even better next year

@Away:
Jacksonville – we never play well in the swamp
Tennessee – tough game as they should be improved after this down year
Arizona – most likely will be good again
San Francisco – who knows
Baltimore – never easy to play there

That road schedule has the potential to be brutal …

by hallandnash on Jan 4, 2010 7:57 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

There is no such thing as a light or hard schedule in the NFL. Teams change from year to year, effort changes from game to game. Pittsburgh lost five straight games after crushing Denver.

The Jets had division winners Cincy and Indy to close out the season. Pretty hard right… Or not.

The schedule excuse never holds water.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 8:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't want to hear about schedule

None of it matters when you don’t beat the teams you’re supposed to beat. I said 8-8 before the year but that included wins against Oakland, Washington, and KC. Obviously that didn’t happen.

by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 4, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Schedule doesn’t matter. We should never lose home games to teams as awful as the ’09 Chiefs and Raiders.

by Remember Keith Kartz! on Jan 4, 2010 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Yet that means we beat teams that you had down as losses

If you are torching them for those losses to “inferior” teams, you have to give them props for beating the “superior” teams as well.

Year 1 of a rebuild, 8-8. Disappointing yes, but not too bad for year 1 of a new regime. Plenty to build upon from here.

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by c_style on Jan 4, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Not arguing that at all

I’m just saying looking at the scedule before the season that’s what I saw. Those were the “easy” games. That’s why I don’t want to hear about schedule because you never know.

by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 4, 2010 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Frustrating team

We beat 3 eventual division winners (CIN/NE/SD), nearly had an epic comeback against another (IND) and lost games — two at home — to bottom feeders. Definition of playing to the level of your opponents.

Now that the dust has cleared, though, it gives us some things to be cautiously optimistic about heading into next year….

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

This

I read those teams and thought that we potentially have a MUCH harder schedule. Looking back at ours this season we had a challenging schedule with 7 games against 6 playoff teams, but we also played some teams that were not nearly as good (KC and Oak twice, Washington, Cleveland) and a couple of other teams like us who are dealing with some issues (Pittsburgh, NY Giants).

Next season though I think KC and Oakland are going to be better, similar to the Broncos this season if they get a couple early breaks they could be in the playoff hunt. San Diego will likely be improved actually if their health issues are better. Then looking through that schedule, Seattle is a decent coaching job away from becoming a good team, St Louis potentially could move in to the 5-7 win group with a little luck. Tennessee has Jeff Fisher and his teams are just good at the team concept. Baltimore, Indy, Jets, Arizona, and Houston all look like playoff contenders, again.

If the Broncos progress and get to the 10 win level against that schedule then we should all be pleased. This of course assumes that injuries, bad luck, or random free agent signings don’t significantly change things…and you know what assuming does.

by Arimaris on Jan 4, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Doug, as BM said above, Your efforts are very much appreciated...

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only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Jan 4, 2010 8:08 AM MST reply actions  

Frustrating end to say the least...

RE: the fans booing…

In only 3 games that I have attended (back in the early Elway years), I saw two blowout losses, I never booed. That said, however, given how this year has gone, and the now traditional and regular late season collapses by our team, I cannot say I blame those fans for booing. I think any passionate Bronco fan at the moment is more than frustrated that we have had back-to-back EPIC COLLAPSES in consecutive years. To take it a step further… it is @#$%^ embarrassing, folks. I think the booing was a culmination and bubbling over of frustration because of this…

Also, I know some of you are angry at the fans at the stadium booing their home team, but how many of you were shouting expletives at your tv’s yesterday afternoon as our team got steam rolled by an inferior team at home in a must-win game? I sure was…

I guess it is easy for us to say now that the fans were wrong for booing, but if we were there in the heat of the moment… we might have surprised ourselves even.

Thanks for the horse tracks as usual, Doug. But man… I don’t think I’m going to read as many links today. =/

by tunga77 on Jan 4, 2010 8:30 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Well, I wasn't there yesterday either...

But I have been to plenty of sporting events and seen many heartbreaking losses by my teams. I have never booed any of my teams, or any of their players. Ever.

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by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 4, 2010 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

It's not just one heartbreaking loss, but...

two consecutive heart-breaking ends to our seasons… again epic collapses. One heartbreaking loss… ok. But 4 straight to close out the season when all we needed to do was beat 2 inferior teams at home to qualify for the playoffs?! Plus, 3 straight last year when all we needed was one to qualify for the playoffs?!

For some fans, they might want to throw in some of our other fast-start-late-season-collapses during the Shanny era…

Add all of that up and you have a pretty disappointed and frustrated fan. Some fans choose to voice their disappointment a bit louder than others. And though I don’t think I myself would boo my team at a game, I can’t say I blame those that did.

by tunga77 on Jan 4, 2010 8:45 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Jan 4, 2010 8:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Thing is

I was at that game—and up until the very end, I didn’t hear any kind of concentrated booing. At all. And I was in the cheap seats, from whence most boos emanate.

I did hear via the wife that Dick Enberg was really playing up the “they’re booing!!!” thing on TV, to which I say, nope, didn’t really happen. But I suppose hearing a few angry fans below the announcer’s booth was enough for him to tar the entire crowd.

by Remember Keith Kartz! on Jan 4, 2010 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah see

It’s always overplayed. The whole booing of Orton during the preseason game was just like that. Yeah, there was a smattering but it wasn’t overwhelming as was reported. I imagine this game was much the same.

by AllBroncsallday on Jan 4, 2010 9:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Totally

If anything, the crowd was too docile.

by Remember Keith Kartz! on Jan 4, 2010 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Enberg was drunk or senile

He was making stuff up all game.

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by KaptainKirk on Jan 4, 2010 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Lol,

Not to mention Fouts pure hatred for Denver, how do we get that guy every game?

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Jan 4, 2010 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

I see Enberg as an affable clown. He’s perfectly likeable but sheesh some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth, man o man. No knowledge of the team, the players, the staff… and what he does “know” hasn’t applied for 5 years. Good thing he’s going to a much slower game in baseball, because football seems beyond him at this point.

And yeah Fouts, yikes- why do we have the misfortune of hearing the guy go on about how much Denver sucks, every game? He loves every team that’s playing Denver.

by AllBroncsallday on Jan 4, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Regarding booing in the past

As a former MH South Stander, I can attest that the crowds weren’t shy about booing during the Elway era. If you made them angry, you heard about it, long and loud.

I don’t boo the home team (if I’m in Denver) but let’s not change history. Denver fans booed the home team lots of times.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Jan 4, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I think someone else said that...

I just said I never booed in my 3 trips to the old Mile High (I live in the midwest).

by tunga77 on Jan 4, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

That was me ...

I said generally Broncos fans don’t boo that often. I didn’t mean to suggest they never boo’d.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Its been a different flavor this year.

All the way back to when some kid became famous for the ‘Orton Hears a Boo" sign, to the booing in training camp, to starting to boo five minutes into a game…I don’t know. And it really doesn’t matter anymore. People want to blame it on the divisiveness of McJGate and all that, but many of the same people that were eviscerating Cutler/Shanahan on a regular basis have now become loyalists to the old-way. In other words— for a very focal element of the fan base the attraction seems to be hostility— no matter what happens. I can’t relate.

MHR has sort of become the Dunkirk of Bronco fandome— the last bastion of the old days when it was still about loving and supporting a franchise rather than dissing and dissecting it. There is plenty of criticism here, but at least least it doesn’t take on the rancor of a seemingly disaffected sports town. People can call it ridiculous all they want, but the parity in the league is such that heart and emotion play a huge role, and when your fans start making sport of turning on you, it sort of wipes out some of the power of the home field.

The fan base, in general, seemed to change with the instant success of the Colorado Avalanche. As wonderful as those early Avalanche teams were, it seemed to contribute to a sense of entitlement and a lack of understanding how hard and rare being truly great can be. I can tell you that the culture of Folsom Field and Mile High/Invesco changed dramatically when the Avalanche started making elite look like child’s play. The, of course, the Broncos were flat out dominant a couple of years right after that…and the fun of it all went straight down hill.

I know its a whacked theory, but I’m sticking by it.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 4, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Doug...you had an MVP season..

Lets face it….we are not a very good team, and in the first 6 weeks teams played down to us, or had trouble figuring us out. The las 10 weeks (I just threw up in my mouth a little saying that!) we hung with some teams, and were beaten by teams like Oakland and Kansas who, to be honest, are very similar in talent to us.
Understand, we are 2 years from even challeneging for the AFC West title, and need MAJOR help on lines, and now at WR and a catching TE.
WE are headed in the right dircetion, but the first 6 weeks were a mirage my friends.
YESTERDAY was dreadful…..as bad as the Redskins but for the most part our team played tough. Now we just need talent!

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by boydy2669 on Jan 4, 2010 8:41 AM MST reply actions  

Totally agreed on...
Thanks Doug…you had an MVP season..

Doug for MHR MVP! =)

by tunga77 on Jan 4, 2010 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Thanks for all your hard work over the season, Doug. I rarely say it, but I always catch Horse Tracks.

War is behavior with its roots in the primal sea - eat whatever you touch, or it will eat you. John Fowles

by bradley on Jan 4, 2010 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for all the work you do with Horse Tracks, Doug.

Today has probably been pretty rough trying to go through and link to these articles, given the circumstances. Since we didn’t win the regular season, it is now time to win the offseason. Hopefully, we can get what we need to improve this team and come into next season with a team that is ready to play some Denver Bronco football. I’m excited to see what happens in the coming months.

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by Troy Hufford on Jan 4, 2010 8:45 AM MST reply actions  

I'd imagine

That we’ve seen the last of Marshall and Scheffler, certainly, and likely a few others. I’d guess Ben Hamilton—and who knows, maybe Wiegmann, although that would leave a pretty gaping hole—should also be shopping for luggage.

I saw in Peter King’s column that Scheff had said something about not being able to wait for the end of the season. Where else has that been reported? I don’t doubt it, but that’s the first I’d read of any direct quote from the guy.

by Remember Keith Kartz! on Jan 4, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

It was mentioned on the local news last night

so it might be in one of the CSG articles above.

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by KaptainKirk on Jan 4, 2010 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Any Bets on how long before Shannahan is a Redskin?

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by diviesti on Jan 4, 2010 9:46 AM MST reply actions  

And Scheffler as well, for that matter.

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Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

by c_style on Jan 4, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Scheffler Won't be a Redskin

The Redskins have Chris Cooley and Fred Davis as tight ends. Cooley is solid and Davis played very well in his place when Cooley was placed on IR. Scheffler is vastly overrated. I am sure Shanahan has even realized that. Scheffler drops far too many passes and can’t block. He was a wasteful mid-second round pick.

by RSH089 on Jan 4, 2010 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

That was a tough game to watch

Must have tougher to wade back into the bog today and retrieve all these links for us.

Thanks for all the work in giving us the links today!

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by BroncTastic on Jan 4, 2010 9:59 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks for all the effort this year, Doug.

Did D.J. look injured and slow to anybody else? I had a hard time placing the guy that was racing into deep coverage against the Giants with the ponderous 55 we saw yesterday. He tracked down Charles with help a couple times, but he seemed uncharacteristically slow, both in terms of speed and quickness.

Is it possible that training camp was too brutal and that it caught up with this team in the end? I don’t know, trying to figure out how these guys lost their pop again…

So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson

by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 4, 2010 10:17 AM MST reply actions  

PO - Have to agree with you

I’d written about the problem with DJ a couple of times recently, and at length last week. I have a lot of respect for him, but he’s been a step slow too often as the year progressed. At times, that was true of A. Davis, too. I like both players, but our ability to sop the run (up the middle or otherwise) in the later year was something for some serious concern. Gaining contain on the outside of the runs was, if anything, even worse.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Jan 4, 2010 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

And he takes HORRIBLE pursuit angles!

I said it elsewhere, but he should’ve learned proper angles in Pop Warner ball during “rabbit” drills. Bad angles = lazy play OR overreliance on being the most athletic guy on the field.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Credit where credit is due...

…it was actually your last Post that got me looking. I was so mesmerized by his effort against the Giants that your comments piqued my interest. He just didn’t even look like the same player against KC yesterday— especially in terms of quickness and explosion.

I hope its an injury issue rather than heart/mental. He’s got the tools to dominate, but consistency might be his Achilles’ Heal.

So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson

by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 4, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Was Daniel Graham injured?

I say this because he looked “off” yesterday all game.

by jpage78 on Jan 4, 2010 11:22 AM MST reply actions  

Yes. He had a knee issue and there was doubt during the week as to whether he’d be ready to play.

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by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 4, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

And he aggravated it in the 2nd half

but hobbled his way through the game. Kind of got the feeling he was proving a point to Marshall, no?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Honest over sugar coating it.

He would have proved his point a lot better with something that did not resemble awful play.

I admire his courage but Graham hurt Denver yesterday with his drops and overall play.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 5:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

But after he re-hurt it in the second half, he seemed to be proving a point by staying on the field. And he actually played better from that point on. Two or three catches after that. The drops in the first half were killers though.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 5, 2010 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I hesitate to ask this

But it’s something that has been bothering me all day and I haven’t seen anyone bring it up, so I just need to know if Im’ out of line.

Why didn’t we go for it on 4th and 12? Down by 13, just under 8 minutes left, a playoff berth possibly on the line, the D letting a running back go wild. Punting there and putting the ball in the hands of the RB is kind of begging for a clock killing drive. Or a one play, 60 yard drive, unfortunately. It’s just been gnawing at me, and I’d like everyone else’s take.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 11:29 AM MST reply actions  

I'm not completing my thoughts today

But it seems to me that that is a situation when it’s time to say, “The season is on the line. Time to go for it.”

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

I have to agree 42

Go for it and we still have a chance…Kick and we are essentially done!

-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Jan 4, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks 72

If I AM going crazy, at least I have good company! ;-)

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

On to 2K10 my friend...

-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Jan 4, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

When is the draft?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

My wife asked me yesterday evening...

Who I was going to root for in the playoffs now that our team is out of it…

I said: any team playing the Chargers, and the Saints.

At the same time though… I am so afraid of the possibility of Phyllis and his Merry Men making it all the way to the big dance. They are playing out of their minds… even rallying to a win yesterday with Billy Volek and most of their backups. Somebody please beat them!!!!

by tunga77 on Jan 4, 2010 12:30 PM MST reply actions  

The only AFC team I could stand to see win

is the Bengals. In the NFC, the only team I can’t stand is Dallas.

War is behavior with its roots in the primal sea - eat whatever you touch, or it will eat you. John Fowles

by bradley on Jan 4, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Ya the Bengals are who I'll be rooting fro as well

Truly not looking forward to the playoffs much this year. Every team thats in on the NFC seemed to have every single prime time game this year, really tired of those teams being on my TV

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Jan 4, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I sort of like the idea of SD winning the big one.

It’d be a hard pill to swallow, sure— but I’m not sure they have the character to follow success with success.

So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson

by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 4, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

But could you even imagine

listening to their fans all year if that happened….

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Jan 4, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I reside in SD and I can't even imagine how

that would be…I’d never hear the end of it from my Charger fan friends…

this season’s razzing was bad enough

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by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Nooo PO, Nooooo

-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Jan 4, 2010 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

You and I are definitely not on the same page. Not in the same book, same genre or same planet.

by McGeorge on Jan 4, 2010 5:35 PM MST up reply actions  

say it ain't so...

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Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by Troy Hufford on Jan 4, 2010 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay...

…forgive me. My girls screaming in my ear, a day spent hanging a microhood that was exactly different than the salesman promised, heartfelt despondency… Maybe I was temporarily insane.

The original sentiment was this: If it makes the Chargers more vulnerable next year, maybe it would be bearable. But that might have been my most ridiculous comment ever (though I’m sure McGeorge could nominate some competitors…)

My bad.

So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson

by PredominantlyOrange on Jan 4, 2010 7:21 PM MST up reply actions  

All is forgiven. Don't worry about it. We all say crazy things, sometimes.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by Troy Hufford on Jan 4, 2010 7:23 PM MST up reply actions  

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