Denver Broncos News - Horse Tracks - 10/12/10
by John Bena on Oct 12, 2010 5:14 AM MDT
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Broncos Mailbag: Kyle Orton's top-notch season a long time coming - The Denver Post
I became a Broncos fan the day they drafted Tim Tebow. I don't care if Kyle Orton throws 10,000 yards this year; if Orton can't put up a W, then replace him with Tebow! Why haven't they put Tebow in? Tebow can run, that's right, RUN the option. --Lis, Orlando, Fla.
Broncos OLB Ayers to miss about six weeks with injury - The Denver Post
There is proving to be no more perilous position on the Broncos' roster than outside linebacker.
Paige: Down-under Broncos have issues too - The Denver Post
When the Broncos' beleaguered coach makes an appearance at the stadium in Denver on Sunday, there will be no cheering.
Broncos to find out quickly how well they deal with adversity - The Denver Post
After the Broncos' 2009 season drew to a close, coach Josh McDaniels said one of the biggest issues facing him and his team in 2010 would be how they would deal with adversity. Well, adversity has arrived at the Dove Valley doorsteps, especially given what McDaniels offered after the battering at Baltimore.
Broncos figure to start Bruton at strong safety - The Denver Post
Welcome to the box, David Bruton. While there, meet (the Broncos can only hope) LaDainian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene and show them your nice new smile.
Analysis: Broncos can't afford to abandon their league-worst running game - The Denver Post
Kyle Orton has four consecutive 300-yard passing games. He's on pace to shatter the NFL record for passing yards in a season. And the Broncos have the No. 2-ranked passing offense in the NFL.
Breakdown: Broncos will have to pick poison against Jets - The Denver Post
There is a traditional lament among defensive coordinators in the NFL and that is a defense simply can't take everything away.
Jets hold off Vikings' Favre-fueled rally - The Denver Post
Hit hard early and often by Rex Ryan's physical defense, Favre nearly led the Vikings back with a milestone night, but Dwight Lowery returned an interception 26 yards for a touchdown with 1:30 left as the Jets beat the Vikings 29-20 on Monday night in a game that was delayed 45 minutes at the start by lightning.
NFL.com news: Imagine how the Week 5 upsets went down, it’s easy if you try
Unpredictable, stunning, confusing and at times just strange is the best way to describe the events of Week 5. But this time of the year, there are always games that leave us asking how could this happen.
NFL.com news: Favre won't address allegations after loss to Jets
Brett Favre stepped up to the podium after a discouraging loss to the New York Jets and spent about 20 minutes evading questions the same way he tried to avoid tacklers.
NFL.com news: Report: Revis uncertain for Sunday with 'sore' hamstring
Pro Bowl cornerback Darrelle Revis said after the New York Jets' victory Monday night over the Minnesota Vikings that his tender hamstring was "very sore and very swollen" and that he wasn't sure he'd be available for Sunday's game against the Broncos, the New York Daily News reported.
NFL.com news: Report: Chargers entering final contract talks with LT McNeill
Marcus McNeill expressed his desire for a new contract by holding out from the San Diego Chargers. Now that he has reported to the team and been activated from the roster-exempt list, it appears a deal is near completion.
NFL.com news: Wallace, Delhomme hurt, so Browns might start McCoy at QB
With quarterbacks Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace both nursing severe ankle injuries, Browns coach Eric Mangini said Monday it's possible that McCoy, a rookie with no NFL regular-season playing experience, will start Sunday against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
NFL.com news: Seahawks ship Branch back to Patriots for fourth-round pick
Deion Branch is headed back to the New England Patriots and a reunion with quarterback Tom Brady.
Green Bay Packers' Aaron Rodgers suffers concussion on late hit - ESPN
Quarterback Aaron Rodgers has a concussion and might have to sit out Sunday's game against Miami, the latest blow in a wave of injuries that has hit the Green Bay Packers in a season they hoped would end in the Super Bowl.
Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith said Jay Cutler has suffered no setbacks - ESPN Chicago
Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith said the team will wait until later in the week to determine the status of quarterback Jay Cutler, who sat out Sunday's 23-6 win over the Carolina Panthers after suffering a concussion the previous week.
Jacksonville Jaguars coach: Mike Sims-Walker trade reports are 'garbage' - ESPN
Jacksonville Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio called trade reports surrounding receiver Mike Sims-Walker "garbage."
Jeff Ireland only reports to Stephen Ross | National Football Post
With Bill Parcells stepping down as the Miami Dolphins' executive vice president of football operations, general manager Jeff Ireland's clout has increased in the organization.
Game notes: Vikings-Jets | National Football Post
Favre's night: Did make some great throws in the second half. The 9 (fade) route to Ranyd Moss for the TD. The deep crosser and the 7 (flag) route to Harvin that both went for TDs. But, we know the INT in the 2-minute drill is the killer. Tries to hit Visanthe Shiancoe underneath in the Flat-7 out of the stack look with the Jets’ playing combination man (in and out call). Dwight Lowery takes it back for a TD. At that point, the great throws (even the 500th TD pass) take a backseat on a very inconsistent night for the Vikings' QB. 14-34 for 264-yards, 3 TDs and the INT.
Ravens not bringing back Antwan Barnes | National Football Post
The Baltimore Ravens aren’t planning to pursue outside linebacker Antwan Barnes, who was cut over the weekend by the Philadelphia Eagles when they promoted Chad Hall.
Browns sign Brett Ratliff | National Football Post
The Cleveland Browns have signed quarterback Brett Ratliff off the New England Patriots' practice squad.
LT, Favre defy age, odds, weather in Meadowlands thriller - Damon Hack - SI.com
Here are five things we learned from watching the Jets belt the Vikings at new Meadowlands Stadium.
Maurice Jones-Drew Receives Negative X-Rays for Right Wrist Injury -- NFL FanHouse
Jacksonville Jaguars running back Maurice Jones-Drew got the news he wanted Monday.
Phillips' seat getting hotter in Dallas
Usually a fixture in postgame festivities, Jerry Jones was conspicuous by his absence in the locker room after Sunday's 34-27 loss.
Tampa Bay reaching 3-1, Brett Favre under investigation par for season in 2010 - Peter King - SI.com
he voice from across the country late Sunday night said what we all feel, if I'm not mistaken, about the 2010 NFL season. "What is normal in this league right now?'' Larry Fitzgerald, fan of the game, said from Arizona. "Such a strange year.''
Saints should be concerned, Carson Palmer's struggles and more - Jerome Bettis - SI.com
The Saints should be very, very concerned. Last week, I said I wasn't worried about the Colts' slow start. Then they went on to beat the last remaining undefeated team. Last year's other conference champion isn't so safe after Sunday's eye-opening loss in Arizona.
Once-endearing Favre no longer charming - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Over the years, regardless of how great or devastating the games had been on the field, Brett Favre(notes) could always charm. He stood at lecterns beneath stadiums all around the NFL rambling on, revealing every emotion that bubbled up as he spoke. These were endearing moments, almost as if he was bearing whatever torment broiled inside while still sorting out those thoughts himself. Then he sold them with a wink or a squint of his eyes and it made him impossible to love.
Injuries derailing Packers' season - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
This is why preseason performances rarely matter. It’s why predictions in August are a joke. And it’s why five weeks into the NFL season, there isn’t a single undefeated team left.
Owners to discuss labor plans - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
With negotiations on a new contract with the players going slowly, NFL owners began their fall meetings Monday.
Favre situation makes us confront sexism - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN
Today is going to be awkward. Over the years, the sports world has learned to deal with and discuss real-life issues such as economics, criminality, corruption and racism.
Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: San Diego: plenty of sizzle, very little steak
There was a girl back in high school, Janet. Great chick. Friendly with everybody. Still hang out with her today. Her dad’s a local football coach, too. And a lobsterman.
Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Pigskin Potpourri: 10 lessons learned in Week 5
1. Ladies and gentlemen, the Detroit Lions have played a complete football game. If you’re a Lions historian, you know that the last truly good day in franchise history was Nov. 4, 2007. On that day, the Lions improved to 6-2 with a 44-7 win over the visiting Broncos. The Lions were for real!
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Thanks John
There is the Broncos (Read: Tebow) fan u talked about on MHR Radio. Take out Orton so Tebow can run? I’m not sure if that should make me laugh or cry… c’mon!!!
Judst read on Twitter that Revis said his hamstring hurt the whole game last night.
Hope they decide to sit and rest him this weekend.
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
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Its really not a bad idea
Historically running quarterbacks make the running backs play better, look at Chris Johnson last year, entirely different running back with VY in, look at how much better LeSean McCoy was with Vick in, the only problem is the Titans and Eagles didn’t have a guy throwing for 300 yards a game ahead of him. Whoever brought that up (I didn’t hear it) actually had a good point.
by Warren Todd on Oct 12, 2010 7:49 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
problem is,
tenow is not a true running quarterback, like a troy smith or michael vick or vince young. he has incredible athletic skills, and has in college made plays out of nothing by sheer athleticism, but he doesnt have the running-back like speed to be a legit running qb.
The poster formerly known as "Denver_Diaspora"
by Jay Fin Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Trap Game
After watching last night, I think New York may be ripe for the trapping. They read the papers and know we are down a few players.
The color orange may help and some strong Colorado community support might jolt the team into maximum effort.
Last Sunday I was in Baltimore, and the 12th man made a big difference. Turn Invesco into Mile High Madness and I think Denver can pull one off.
by Baltimore Bronco on Oct 12, 2010 5:33 AM MDT reply actions
Sanchise looked like crap last night. But that rain brings up a scary thought.
Our lack of running game has me worried about the games we play where the temperature is not 67 degrees, partly cloudy with no wind.
We will play in some games this year when the weather is not so favorable to a passing game.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
That game actually made me feel better about playing the Jets. The Vikings didn’t get pressure on the Jets and they still struggled to put up points.
Our ST coverage has to be solid though or Brad (?) Smith is going to burn us. It’ll be interesting to see how Orton holds up against this defense and not during garbage time.
I really want to see him challenge Cromartie and Wilson as it doesn’t look like Revis will play.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
That game also made me feel better about the Jets, but a lot worse about all our games later in the year when the weather sucks.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
What did two other teams playing in bad weather tell you about our team playing in bad weather?
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Oct 12, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Under pressure Sanchez does make mistakes and tries to force the ball...
As good as he is, he has his flaws just like most NFL QBs. If we execute a great plan we can handle them at home.
by bfree2bronc on Oct 12, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
man... some bronco fans are pathetic... thank god we have MHR.
by FLC on Oct 12, 2010 6:42 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
I do
Every day. ( =
That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 12, 2010 6:57 AM MDT up reply actions
This
There's something in your heart
and it's in your eyes its the fire
Inside you, Let it burn
You don't say good luck
You say don't give up
its the fire,
Inside you, Let it burn.
One sane individual posted this under Jeff Legwold's article
no denying that this team has been snakebit since off season
hard to win when your roster is a revolving door but in my opinion the team and staff have been putting 100 % effort out there and as a fan thats all i ask for
this sunday we will be watching some players that never figured to be out there as starters and i wish all of the team the best of luck as they go against another top afc team
saddens me to see so many “fans” on here giving up on their team
so many rooting for losses
so many calling coaches and players busts
at a time when a team is low and momentum is nonexistent seems to me is when true fans rally together and cheer the team on
at least thats the way it used to be but i can clearly see i am out of date here and find myself surrounded by “fans” that just turn my stomach by the way they cheer for failure
its sure taking its toll on me to sludge through page after page of “fans” bellyaching about the same things over and over for a year and a half now and being proven wrong on many of these issues but they still whine
many were dead wrong about cutler, marshall, and orton for instance so they keep looking for more to complain about
i believe you will all end up being wrong about mcdaniels as well
all this site has turned into is a “social whining society” and i no longer want any part of it
you win your bet danowagon congrats
keep cheering for them bronco defeats and maybe when the next coach comes in you can continue to be the ringleader that leads the rest of the losers to new heights of glory LOL
to all the real fans out there and you guys and gals know who you are God bless and keep the faith
GO BRONCOS!!!
bronco beer
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
by Horsepower on Oct 12, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions 8 recs
If this isn't green by now
It should be.
There's something in your heart
and it's in your eyes its the fire
Inside you, Let it burn
You don't say good luck
You say don't give up
its the fire,
Inside you, Let it burn.
HP Invite this fan to MHR Now!
He needs the sanity break.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
by KaptainKirk on Oct 12, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
But if we don't constantly complain . . .
. . . how are we every going to convince coaches to give up on players like Phonz a moment before they hit their stride and really begin to shine.
Smirk ;~)
Rec’d
First they ignore you.
They then laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then, you win.
--Gandhi
by Santa Fe Bronc on Oct 12, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the much needed Tracks!
On Sunday, I’m sitting there thinking “I just don’t feel like keeping up on Broncos news this week… I’m taking a week off of paying such close attention”… Then what’d I do first thing Monday morning?
Ha ha. Much appreciated, as always, MHR.
That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 12, 2010 6:59 AM MDT reply actions
Thanks as always John...yeah lets bring in Tebow...cause all of our rookies are crushing it...FRICKIN MORONS!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
They are Tebow fans you guys.
I like Tebow a lot and think he looked like a very promising prospect in his preseason work.
But there is a large cult of his followers that don’t care about the Broncos even close to as much as they worship and love Tebow. Get used to this and don’t get all caught up on the love fest from his worshipers. I live in Florida and I see more Bronco Tebow jerseys than the entire Dolphin team combined.
They are not morons, just Tebow followers.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
I am a Tebow guy too McG, but this just moronic and shows a lack of understanding for the game of football.....if you dont know at least a modicum of what you are
speaking about, dont ask dumb questions.
I am not going to write in to Space Magazine and ask questions about astro physics because I have seen a space shuttle take off so I think I know what I am talking about.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2010 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Tebow worshipers are like 12 year old girls with their feelings about boy bands. It’s not going to make sense. Don’t let it bother you.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
a fanboi?
Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with their particular thing.
Geek Term related to forum users who think a product/company/person can do no wrong.
Deliberate mispelling of the word ‘fanboy’ typically referring to an annoying, immature fan of a specific video game console.
fanbois typically spend most of their free time telling anyone who will listen how perfect thier console of choice is, and how inferior all other products are. fanbois will not stop annoying other people until everyone they know is converted to their way of thinking.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
I’ve called them fanboi’s before, but that made a few people angry. They said I was being homophobic.
But I agree. Lot of Tebow fanboi’s out there. Sad thing is, I don’t think Tebow actively pursues their affections.
He is a good guy. I wish he could pursue his career in a more anonymous fashion. But that won’t happen so I don’t worry about it.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
Very fair summation of the situation McG.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Holy smokes. That’s funny and disgusting.
Tebow must cringe when he sees stuff like this.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
LOL
That ain’t even right.
A.K.A CPT.Caveman or Oblivious it would seem.
by BroncoBitch on Oct 12, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Come again?
if you dont know at least a modicum of what you are speaking about, dont ask dumb questions.
If ever there is a circumstance where you should expect dumb questions, I would think that would be it.
Thats fair Warnick....thanks man!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Have to admit
Part of the reason I root for Kyle to make that next step to elite status is so they can all go annoy another team’s fan base.
HAHAHA.....funny stuff admill.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Something smells fishy with this Antwan Barnes guy.
I’m hoping for an Antwan Barnes to the Broncos signing today. But something tells me there might be a drug suspension or major attitude problem lurking. He seems like far too good a player and pass rusher to be a street FA at this time of year.
A pass rush from OLB (his specialty) is exactly what we need. It seems a little too perfect of a match with Ayers going down. When something is too good to be true, well you guys know.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
Good points.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
The knocks on Barnes is that he can’t play ST and sucks vs the run.
Sounds like Elvis to me. We need him, which is why he’ll probably end up signing with the Jets or Packers.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
Of course.....our FO seems slow to the uptake when we really need a player...actually thats harsh.....they may have been in contact with Barnes, Mankins, Pryce for all I know and just did not bite.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Can't play ST?
He can be the gunner… With Mike Priefer running STs I don’t think it really matters…
Quitter's People United Member #35
usually you have to go the comments section there
to read the juvenile quacking going on in the worst of our broncos community, but this week we got the (dis)pleasure of hearing most of it in the actual mailbag.
i did think Klis answered quite fairly though.
The poster formerly known as "Denver_Diaspora"
by Jay Fin Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions
made the same mistake - some people, I tell ya
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 12, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
You have to take them for what they are (fill in blank...) and not get wrapped up in the emotions...
I refuse to read Kiszla’s articles anymore and I think the DP would be better off without his services…
by bfree2bronc on Oct 12, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
400 yards passing = lose (usually)
What’s being ignored is that this has almost always been the case. Kurt Warner notwithstanding, 400 yards has typically meant that a team is playing catchup and in desperation mode. Nothing has changed, but everyone sure seems surprised by it.
Still sticking your assessment of KO and his rag arm, improv...?
The Internet is forever.
by JeffG on Oct 12, 2010 10:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Would like to see Thomas play as receiving tight end
He has the blocking ability from his time spent in the spread offense. Plus it might get Decker in. Just for one game at least.
Have Decker play that position...Thomas is quickest guy on team apart from Cassius and is a better threat on outside.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Yeah you're probably right.
But we gotta get someone out there other than the Gronk
Yeah hes just plain BAD.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Eh
Gronk didn’t do himself any favors, but he is still a rookie.
Jury is still out. It doesn’t look GOOD, but it is still technically out.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Gronk is not a rookie. He’s in his 2nd season. And no, it doesn’t look good. Not even a little bit good.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
I was just about to say the same thing...
The boy needs to step up..
by bfree2bronc on Oct 12, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
How come everyone keeps calling him a 7th round pick?
What the hell?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Per Rich Cimini on Derrelle Revis:
“Look for him to sit out Denver, followed by bye.” I like it
For those of you who think Hochstein is awful, it has some interesting notes from people who constantly watch film on the games. He didn’t allow any pressures on 42 attempts.
The problem seems to be Walton,
Walton allowed three interior pressures, bringing his total on the year to 12, which is a figure that only six centers exceeded throughout the entire 2009 season. Walton has been responsible for his QB being hit only twice and has not given up a sack, but he is frequently pushed around inside and those interior pressures really disrupt a play, as the quickest route to the QB is up the middle and the receivers do not have time to adjust to quick throws
The Random Note at the bottom is also interesting:
We’re not above tooting our own horn here at PFF. One week after calling for/predicting increased playing time for backup Denver DE Marcus Thomas (+1.4), the third-year lineman set a season high with 36 snaps, the most he has played since week 17 in 2008.
I have seen the same thing
But for being a rookie center, he’s playing admirably I’d say. This experience will be great for him moving forward. Plus, what are we supposed to do about that? He’s the best we have at center, hands down.
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 12, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I am a HUGE fan of Marcus Thomas and stoked to see that....good post...so what now....we put Hoch at center.....Hoch was getting pressured and gave a big penalty....who know, the whole line is sucking at the moment!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I'd rather have Walton instead of that sack of fail named Hochstein snapping the ball
Any word on Beadles starting at LG?
Quitter's People United Member #35
Walton has not played well the last two games, but that is too be expected as a rookie C playing against top D-lines like TN’s and Balts. He’ll probably struggle vs the Jets, but at least the Jets don’t have Jenkins (on IR) and maybe not Revis either. Yea. We are not the only team with injuries.
Nothing is worse than Stanley Daniels (seriously, nothing is worse) so at least Hochstein is an upgrade. His run blocking is terrible, but he did alright vs the pass. Exactly like last season.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
Spliting hairs (Hochstein/Daniels) with the two is clearly Hochstein out front with his veteran savvy...
Other than that, they both have their problems…Which one out weighs the other? Daniels is a liability where Hoch is just there…
by bfree2bronc on Oct 12, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Daniels is not a liability, he is a natural disaster heading directly towards Orton’s health.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10 - 11. He holds a .476 winning percentage. Updated weekly.
HAHAHA...yep, Hoch is just traveling towards that disaster a little slower!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I think two of those pressures that were Walton’s fault were not necessarily him being pushed around, but just him failing to pick up the right man or transition from a double-team to picking up a delayed blitz. I would have to rewatch the game to find out for sure, which I’m probably not going to do since I would have to watch just most of the game to see the pressures probably, and that was a depressing game. I do recall on the play he was called for holding, he was double teaming and then a delayed blitz came in and he didn’t move his feet, he just reached over and held to stop it. I think this sort of thing is what you can expect from a rookie center.
I think noting the fact that there are pressures being given up the middle is simply identifying a symptom though. Teams are keying in on Walton’s shotgun snaps. Almost without fail in the shotgun he snaps the ball as soon as he looks up from looking between his legs. Tennessee’s DL was constantly offside and near-offside because of this. Baltimore was paying attention too. IMO this is ridiculous. No way that a (Broncos) coach hasn’t seen this on film, and they absolutely MUST work with Walton to get him to mix it up at least a tiny bit, or else don’t expect to run or pass well from the shotgun. All he’s got to do is wait a varying amount of time to snap it. Look up, count to one, snap it. Look up, half count, snap it. Look up, one count, snap it. Look up, snap it. Not hard. What is hard is blocking guys in run or pass capacity when they are firing off the ball faster than you are.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Oct 12, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
“Almost without fail in the shotgun he snaps the ball as soon as he looks up from looking between his legs.”
Not true. Not at all.
He really mixed this up for Baltimore. And the Titans did have FIVE defensive off side calls against them. If they were guessing at the snap count based on Walton’s head, they guessed wrong plenty of times. Orton was not using a hard count.
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RE Marcus Thomas
I have been tracking snaps too, and Thomas did see a lot, but it has to be considered in the context of how many snaps the defense took overall, which was about the same percentage more. I didn’t see anything to make me think it was performance related.
And we lost too, on a miserable defensive effort. So there is that too….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 12, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
How can true Broncos fans be asking for McDaniels' head this early into his tenure?
I never heard these people asking for Shanahan’s job when he made ridiculous draft decisions and could care less about our defense. Some people, I tell ya… Probably the same people that think the reason we are losing is because of the dual combination of Orton and McDaniels. If we didn’t have Orton, we wouldn’t have any wins this season, hands down.
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 12, 2010 9:10 AM MDT reply actions
Yep...way TOO soon to be asking for McD's head...he will be a GREAT HC.....but I think its reasonable to revise some of his decisions based on last weeks debacle.
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He might be a great HC.
Or he might just be a great QB coach and passing guru.
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I’m a firm believer that a great HC coaches one area extremely well, brings in the right coaches around him for balance, and gets the team to respond.
I think McD has 2/3. Can you guess which one he lacks?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
“brings in the right coaches”
This one, this one!!!!
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McDaniels is young enough that he can and probably will figure things out. If he is in the right place and allowed to build and keep talent then I think he will be competing for SBs.
Will it be Denver? Or will somewhere else like say Dallas (gee there’s a job opening next year)? Depends on the DEN fanbase to some extent unfortunately.
NONSENSE
“Depends on the DEN fanbase to some extent unfortunately.”
That is insane and so flagrantly incorrect. When has Bowlen or most owners ever shown a propensity to make decisions based on some (even a lot) of the fan base bitching. We don’t have that kind of power.
The only way that happens if if people stop coming to the games and Bowlen is losing money.
If McD is so bad that we can’t sell out games anymore, you will want him gone just like the rest of the fan base.
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BAD LANGUAGE
FLAG FLAG
Just kidding. But in all seriousness this is correct. Bowlen will let McD go when it is a smart business decision if it ever gets to that point.
Advertisers like winners though.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Points for McG!
I like McDaniels. I like his philosophies about team building and his offense sure looks to be potent considering what we’re doing without any run game to speak.
But not having a run game is inexcusable in a pass first league.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
I’d also like to see us get a GM with a football background that is a lot stronger than Xanders. But I’m not a gung-ho about this as I am about wanting to see McCoy replaced as OC with a running game guru.
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Did you see those traps the Jets kept setting up last night?
Why can’t we replicate that? Are we trying to get too tricky with the run? What happened to LT, LG Center blocks left RG, RT blocks right and the FB run in the hole with the RB in tow?
It can’t JUST be scheme can it?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
No.
But scheme is the #1 reason we struggle to run the ball. There are other reasons as well (Bena talks about them), but he glosses over this one and this one is the big one.
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Can we bribe Alex Gibbs out of retirement?
Shanny’s gone and he’d fill a need, send Clancy Barone packing…
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We asked for Wade Phillips' head after the 2nd year to get Shanny...
Not that I’d want McDaniels’ fired or anything, just some perspective…
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The difference between Phillips and McDaniels
Was that Phillips was never really Bowlen’s man for the job. As soon as Shanahan was willing and available, Phillips was shown the door.
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its the fire,
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“I never heard these people asking for Shanahan’s job”
What the hell are you talking about? Tons of Bronco fans were up in arms over Shanny’s botching the draft year over year in the early 2000s. What kept him in the somewhat good graces out the fan base was his ability to churn out 10-6 teams and the 2005 13-3 team. It’s all about winning and Shanny was a winner for a large part of the decade. He got his butt canned after three years of .500 ball when he wasn’t a winner.
If McD is around or below .500 after year 3, I sure hope he gets fired too. And it will be a deserved and earned pink slip. McD shouldn’t get a lifetime contract without figuring out how to build depth, run the ball, call for FGs instead of going for it 100% of the time, winning at home.
None of these are unrealistic expectations of a HC in the NFL. NONE OF THEM.
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The ratios of people are way off McG
I was one of those people asking for Shanahan out of the GM job at the very least, however there were a lot less of us compared to people asking for McD to get canned. I seem to remember tons of people that were pretty livid with the Broncos for getting rid of Shanny. You mention your expectations after year 3, which I agree with. With that in mind, I was wondering why people are asking for his head after 21 games instead of 48. Those ARE unrealistic expectations for a coach that was thrown into the organization that Shanahan left him with.
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 12, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
McD is not a very likable guy (just like his mentor Bilicheat). That is why Josh better win sooner vs later. He won’t be able to play the sympathy card like a Lovie Smith or Pete Carroll.
To his full credit, he doesn’t.
When (more like “if”) I start hearing him drop BS excuses about injuries, hard schedule, bad luck, blah blah blah, that is when it will be time for us (and hopefully Bowlen) to pull the rip cord on McD’s Bronco career.
We don’t seem even remotely close to that point right now. Again, to McD’s credit.
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Actually...I find McD very likeable...a straight shooter and good sense of humor....the opposite of Shanny IMO.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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MHR is in the minority on McD’s likability.
Why else do you think the vast majority of the MSM is so hostile towards the guy. Ditto on the majority of the Bronco fan base.
He strikes me as someone I would not get along with on many levels.
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Because...
When a team is struggling people want to immediately start replacing everything and everyone every week, because plugging a new face into a situation always magically changes everything, at least in the movies.
Fans are frustrated and they don’t know what else to do, so they start screaming about putting in Tebow, and why don’t we have Hillis, and what happened to that Shanahan guy and on and on and on.
Sometimes it is because they really don’t understand the game, and more often than that it’s just honest frustration stemming from an inability to change things. That’s what fans do. Always have, always will.
Madden be trippin' on my speed.
by TheMastermind on Oct 12, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Absolutely
I’m a high school football coach and I’ll tell you the minute after a loss everyone in the world comes chiming in with what they feel is the cure all. Winning always fixes everything, but often times people don’t realize exactly how hard it is to win in football. To effectively execute as a defense or offense you have to have 11 guys on the field doing there job. Problem is that in football there is no quick fix usually when something goes wrong because there is so much preparation that goes into each player and each play.
by wiebrod on Oct 12, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he is a bad judge of talent?
The ream has really failed to improve the last two years despite starting the period with a bunch of #1 picks, one of which turned into a DB who was cut before his second season. And using a #1 on Tebow when you have no OL???? Please….
How can you seriously grade this year's draft 5 games into this season?
Rookies making legitimate impacts on an NFL team are quite rare. Just show a little patience. I feel pretty good having a guy like Tebow backing up Orton if he were to go down (it just takes one play, just look at the Steelers early this year). Drafting Robert Ayers is panning out in his second season, he has been a beast. Knowshon is awesome when he’s healthy. Perrish Cox shows some great potential. Demaryius Thomas has made some plays and is going to be a beast. Eric Decker is going to be a beast. JD Walton is doing an admirable job as a rookie in a starting role. McBath and Bruton show true promise to be our safeties heading into the future. Alphonso Smith is doing awesome now that he’s in a scheme that fits him better. Guys like Beadles, Olsen, Thompson, and Kirlew show some potential too. Aside from the draft, Kevin Vickerson has done awesome, Jason Hunter is doing pretty well. Renaldo Hill, Brian Dawkins, and Andre Goodman have done pretty decent I’d say. What mistakes has he made personnel-wise that have resulted in us failing to be as competitive as you’d like us to be? I’m just curious, what would you have done differently?
For a guy that is rebuilding a team that fits his system, he has done quite well for himself. It’s hard as Broncos fans to be patient because we expect greatness, but I think we are a lot better off than a lot of other teams with the same inexperience that we have.
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 14, 2010 1:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm strangely psyched to see what Bruton can do
He’s Weapon Y on special teams. Hopefully he can bring it on base defense…
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by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 12, 2010 9:40 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Yep...I like Bruton a lot.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Establishing a running game
To go along with our passing offense would really help the defense.
I’m even more in favor of Mankins now. With a running game we could control the clock.
by JeffG on Oct 12, 2010 10:38 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah...I would give up a 2nd for mankins in a heart beat Jeff!...but you probably know that...hahahaha.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I became a Broncos fan the day they drafted Tim Tebow. I don’t care if Kyle Orton throws 10,000 yards this year; if Orton can’t put up a W, then replace him with Tebow!
What a foolish statement. No, you didn’t become a Bronco fan. You simply remained a Tebow fan. If Tebow were to get traded to the Jets, this person we be a Jets fan.
These people have no place in a conversation about the BRONCOS. Cheer for Tim Tebow all you want, but don’t pretend to be a Bronco fan. And more importantly, don’t b**** and moan for Tebow when Orton is playing out of his mind.
Klis shouldn’t even of dignified that person with a response, let alone publishing it in the paper.
魏 多福
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Yea that was special
I love how she went on to say that Tebow would be able to lead us to salvation by running the option. Has she seen our O-line run block? Tebow would get destroyed on any form of spread option with what we have up front.
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 12, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Any chance Kyle McCarthy gets activated off PS?
What would Blackie Lawless do?
by British Bronco on Oct 12, 2010 11:22 AM MDT reply actions
Things I feel good about going into Sunday
At 2-3 were still were only one game back of KC
The Jets have a short week on the road, not to mention coming off an emotional game
Denver is Oranging out the stadium, crowd should bring more energy to the stadium
Moreno will be back to help, apparently he’s the only who can run behind this line
Stanley Daniels shouldnt be anywhere near the field
Nuff said, I pretty confident in a win
