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Where Have We Been Running? (The Rushing Game by Play Direction)

BALTIMORE, MD - OCTOBER 10:  Laurence Maroney #26 of the Denver Broncos runs the ball against the Baltimore Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium on October 10, 2010 in Baltimore, Maryland. Players wore pink in recognition of Breast Cancer Awareness Month. The Ravens defeated the Broncos 31-17. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)

     Raise your hand if you think there is not a problem with Denver's run game . . . I'll wait for the laughter and snickering to subside before I continue. The Broncos have definitely struggled with the run through the first five games. We have watched the rushing totals plummet across four weeks -- 89 yards, then 65, then 47, and then 19 -- before finally taking a step upwards -- 39 against Baltimore. But then, I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know, am I?

     Many different reasons have been advanced -- from injuries, to inexperience, to wrong personnel, to wrong coaches, to poor play calling. Certainly the results speak for themselves. There have been many solutions proposed in response to the situation, from bringing in new o-linemen/running backs, to changing the playbook, to firing coaches. Wouldn't it be  nice to have a crystal ball that would show the best path to follow?

     Last week, we took a look at how many times the Broncos have run on each of the downs and in each of the quarters. This week, there are a couple of things that might be worth considering as we ponder the future of Denver's running game.  Take a look after the jump.

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Experience is not to be taken lightly


     In 2009, NFL.com began posting a statistics page called "Offensive Line." This thumbnail sketch of the 32 offensive lines looks at a number of statistics:

1)Experience. This is the total career starts for the two guards, two tackles and center on the team with the most starts in the current season.

2)Attempts, Yards, Average. These three are self-explanatory: the number of rushing attempts, yards amassed and the average yards per carry.

3)Touchdowns. Touchdowns scored on running plays.

4)First Downs. The number of first downs achieved by runs.

5)Negative Yardage. Rushes that resulted in negative yardage.

6)Ten Yard runs. Rushes that resulted in a gain of 10 or more yards.

7)Power. This reflects the percentage of runs on 3rd or 4th down with 2 or less yards to go that resulted in a first down or a touchdown. This stat also includes those runs that were 1st or 2nd down and goal to go from within the opponent's 2-yard line.

When we compare Denver's offensive line to the rest of the league, several things leap out at us.

First, Denver's experience rating is 95 combined starts.
     This is dead last in the NFL for 2010. The next higher team (San Francisco) has 124 combined starts -- or 30% more than the Broncos' line. The league average for combined starts is 276. Nineteen teams are above this. Denver is 181 games below this average.

     Think about this for a moment, in the first five games, only Clady and Walton have started all five games at the same position. Daniels and Hochstein have both started at left guard (Daniels 4 times, Hochstein 1). Kuper and Hochstein have both started at right guard (Kuper 4, Hochstein 1). Beadles and Harris have both started at right tackle (Beadles 3, Harris 2). The Broncos have not started the same five men on the offensive line two games in a row. The impact of this cannot be stressed enough. From what I've read, the ability of the offensive line to function with a single mind is crucial to the success of the running game. That ability comes through practice and game experience. The Broncos' line does not have it, at this point in time.

Second, Denver ranks 20th (114) in rushing attempts, 32nd (259) in yards, 32nd (2.3) in yards per carry, and tied for 13th (3) in touchdowns.
     The teams immediately on either side of the Broncos, in terms of attempts (New Orleans 116 and Detroit 113) have 119 and 151 more yards respectively, and yards per carry averages that are 1.0 and 1.3 yards better than Denver's. Denver has two more touchdowns than New Orleans and one less than Detroit. It is interesting to note that the Saints have 240 combined starts and the Lions have 393.

     It is also interesting to note that the next least experienced team (San Francisco - 124 combined starts) has nine fewer rushing attempts but 130 more yards, and an average that is 1.4 yards/carry better. Denver has one more touchdown than San Francisco.

Third, the direction of the runs matter (Running to the Left)
Here is a breakdown of the Broncos' runs to the left side through the first five games:

Direction
Plays
Yards/Carry
Left End
17
1.71
Left Tackle
23
1.22
Left Guard
4
3.75
TOTAL
44
2.23



     Some things to notice. The Broncos rank 31st in first downs to the left. They are tied for 4th in negative yardage plays when running to the left. Denver is tied for 31st in runs of ten or more yards. The Broncos are tied for 29th in power on the left side.

Fourth, the direction of the runs matter (Running up the Middle)
Here is the breakdown for runs up the middle:

Direction
Plays
Yards/Carry
Middle
28
2.57

 

     The Broncos rank 11th in first downs up the middle. They are tied for 22nd in negative yardage plays. Denver is tied for 26th in runs of ten or more yards. The Broncos are tied for 10th in power up the middle. All categories are markedly better than those for runs to the left (and as we will see, better than runs to the right).

Fifth, the direction of the runs matter (Running to the Right)
The runs to the right break down very closely to the runs to the left:

Direction
Plays
Yards/Carry
Right End
17
4.65
Right Tackle
15
1.80
Right Guard
8
1.88
TOTAL
40
2.78

 

     The results of runs to the right are very similar to the left also. The Broncos are tied for 28th in first downs. They are tied for 5th in negative yardage plays. Denver are tied for 26th in runs of ten or more yards. The Broncos are tied for 22nd in power to the right. One question that arises is that given the fact that the Broncos' yards per carry is higher when running to the right than either the middle or left, why aren't we seeing them run to the right more? My guess would be that the right side also has the higher percentage of runs that resulted in negative yardage than either of the other directions.

There are multiple factors that can, and most likely have affected Denver's running performance.


Offensive Line
     Experience is the primary factor. Not only overall NFL experience but also experience in working together as a unit. Not only did we have players miss OTAs, portions of training camp and preseason games due to injury, but we have also not had a stable line up on the starting offensive line in 2010.  Consider this:

Opponent
LT
LG
C
RG
RT
Yards
Yds/Carry
Jacksonville
Clady
Daniels
Walton
Kuper
Beadles
89
3.6
Seattle
Clady
Daniels
Walton
Hochstein
Beadle
65
1.7
Indianapolis
Clady
Daniels
Walton
Kuper
Beadles
47
2.6
Tennessee
Clady
Daniels
Walton
Kuper
Harris
19
1.0
Baltimore
Clady
Hochstein
Walton
Kuper
Harris
39
3.0



     As mentioned above, we have not started the same 5 players two games in a row. Only Clady and Walton have started all 5 games at their position. It would seem, with the return of Clady, Kuper and Harris all to the starting lineup, that the coaching staff has decided that Daniels was not to be part of the solution.

Running Backs

     Moreno, Buckhalter have both missed practice/game time due to injury. Moreno has missed more games than he's played in. Buckhalter has not looked like he did last year as a runner. LenDale White was brought in to be the #3 back but went down to injury in the preseason. Maroney was brought in to add depth and provide someone who was familiar with the playbook -- he has not yet brought the kind of immediate impact that we might have expected. Andre Brown has not added much to the running game either.

Rushing Defense of Opponents
Some may wonder if the quality of the opposing defenses have played a part in Denver's struggles. Obviously it has, but it is not sufficient to explain the Broncos' running problems. Our opponents, when measuring yards surrendered break down as follows:

Opponent
Rank
Yds/Game
Yds/Carry
Den Yds
Den Yds/Carry
Jacksonville
16
102.8
4.4
89
3.6
Seattle
2
72.8
2.7
65
1.7
Indianapolis
30
142.2
4.8
47
2.6
Tennessee
15
101.8
4.2
19
1.0
Baltimore
14
101.2
4.2
39
3.0

 

     Overall, our opponents have been pretty much in the middle of the NFL when it comes to giving up yards. So while it obviously has played a role, it is not simply a case of having played the best rushing defenses in the league.

Coaching
     Some have suggested that the problems reside in the coaching that the players are receiving. That may be true. Without being privy to the practices to see the type and quality of training, it would be nearly impossible to determine to what extent coaching is helping/hindering the running game.

     Something to consider: it is not like our offensive line coach and our running backs coach are without experience. The offensive line coach -- Clancy Barone -- had seventeen years as an offensive line coach at the collegiate level, one year as an assistant offensive line coach in the NFL, and spent the four years prior to joining the Broncos as a tight ends coach in the NFL. The running backs coach -- Eric Studesville -- has fourteen years experience as an NFL coach, including the last ten as a running backs coach. Does success in one area or level automatically equate to success in another? Not necessarily. But I would think that it would be better than no experience. In any event -- as mentioned abov -- there is no way, IMHO, to validly assess the degree to which the coaching is helping/hindering the running game.

Playcalling
     When we look at play direction, we can see that it is fairly well balanced.  44 to left, 28 to middle, 40 to right. 17 to each end, 23 & 15 behind the tackles, 12 behind the guards, 28 behind the center. Playcalling will be further reviewed in part three of this series as we look at where on the field runs were called.

Other factors
There are most likely additional factors that have not been addressed in this article. Feel free to toss them out for discussion in the comments section.

Final Thoughts

IMHO, the factor that has had the greatest negative impact on our running game has been the lack of experience -- both individually and collectively -- on the offensive line. Ninety-five career starts and never starting the same five twice in a row is not a recipe for success. A close second has been the injuries to the running backs. The loss of Moreno in games has been keenly felt, and the backups have not risen to the occasion.

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Great Job BShrout

I knew we had an inexperienced line, but to actually see that we are by far the most inexperienced line in the NFL really brings it home. Plus, 2 of the more experienced linemen we have probably still aren’t at 100%. After watching the Broncos this year, it’s pretty clear that we are nowhere close to contending for a Super Bowl, I just hope to see some improvement from these young guys over the course of the season.

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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 13, 2010 4:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Agree

Nice, B, to put some objective measure to the “experience” concept that’s volleyed around. You really can’t dismiss that out of hand when the numbers show that big a difference.

by MakeCents on Oct 13, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

runnig the ball is a complete team effort, with no true Fullback WR's and TE's must be good blockers

Actually in the first half the OL was performing well, but the TE´s and WR´s were not. The first run play , de FS run blitzed and you can se Dthomas going after him with no effect. and also in the same play Grodkowski was man handled by Suggs. Suggs and the Fs had penetration and the play was over.
The reverse was perfectly block by the OL, Dthomas holds the corner and history , 33 yard gain erased.
On a screen to thomas, you can not have Eddie Royal blocking in front, he was erased by the corner and stuffed the play before Ray Lewis cleanned that up. I believe Clady( the only mistake for the OL in the first half) lost his man on a outside run that when for a loss, but other than that in the first half we had 2 draw plays for 6 and 8 yards. We had an unbalanced line run with clady that went for 12 yards.
So as you see, the line was not that bad, the WR’s and TE’’s have to block better in this Fullback-Less system if the broncos want to establish the run. The only solid player in this group is Graham.

by PTY_BRONCO on Oct 13, 2010 5:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Very good point, PB

I just wish someone would track WR/TE blocking. This came up a while back when the MHR HOF committee started their campaign for Shannon Sharpe — Lots of records about his receiving, nothing on his role as a blocker.

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm tracking the Broncos this season

but just for personnel evaluation at the end of the year. It won’t help us compare like a larger database would…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 14, 2010 2:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

You mean you're not doing the entire league? I'm sooo disappointed in you, Jeremy

JK.

Out of curiosity, are you simply rewatching games to create your tracking data? If so, how do you deal with the fact that the WRs are often out of camera view when they throw their blocks?

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 14, 2010 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

so far

they have been in camera view for the most part (in the running game). It helps that we aren’t making it past the line of scrimmage. :) Teams have been doing a good job of playing up when we run and backing off when we pass.

And in this system blocking on pass plays isn’t as common, since the routes are their own form of blocking. A DB attached to a WR like a yo-yo is as much out of the play as one that is being stood up with a block. Most of our passing plays are designed to create YAC by molding areas of the field like clay with each receivers routes. However, we have been facing a lot of max coverage and man coverage situations because of the lack of running game, and so Orton has had to rely on throw placement to get the receptions. As a result, YAC has been an afterthought since the placement has required receivers to go low, or catch outside of their frame (re. dive, leap). Also, the hitch (effective against man coverage with safety help) has been dictated to us a lot, and there isn’t a lot of opportunity for YAC there either.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 14, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fantastic!

Nice job! Ok, we have a very bad runnning game. I will never understand why running plays are called on 2nd and 10, and 3rd and 15. This happened several times on Sunday. We are good at throwing the ball, so throw the damn ball!

by rocko1 on Oct 13, 2010 5:52 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree.....

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by boydy2669 on Oct 13, 2010 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

True, our running game is nearly non-existent

But keep in mind:

We ran on 2nd down 6 times. 1 was 2-1, 1 was 2-5, 2 were 2-10, 1 was 2-11, and 1 was 2-20. The 2 short ones were for no gain. The other ranged from -3 yards to 7 yards.

We ran on 3rd & long exactly twice: 3-11-DEN30 (13:35 left in 2nd) — a run for 8 yards. 3-23-DEN34 (3:29 left in 2nd) — a run for 2 yards. The second of these runs came after a 17 yard pass for a first down was nullified by an offensive holding call.

Also consider: it was announced during the game that the Ravens had the best 3rd down conversion rate of any defense going into week 5.

Also consider: 8 of Denver’s 10 longest plays from scrimmage in that game came on 1st down and ranged from 12 to 44 yards. The two exceptions: a 12 yard pass on 2-10, and a 13 yards run on 3-1.

 I would imagine the runs were used mostly to keep the defense from being able to simply tee off and come after Orton on every play, and especially on expected passing downs.

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Playing back on our heels

when we run on 2-10, 2-11, 2-20, and 3-11. We have the best passing offense in the league and should be taking advantage of our stengths as a team.

by rocko1 on Oct 13, 2010 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd agree; we should play to our strengths

but we still have to mix in some runs when the other team is expecting pass, just to try to keep them from being able to accurately predict what we’re going to do.

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's clear that's what we were trying to do

but after a certain point of setting up the defense with those run plays, you have to go for something tangible to keep drives going. The lack of aggression on some of those to keep drives going just set us up for a loss. The Ravens were the better team out there, plain and simple, so why not be aggressive in a game like that?

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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 14, 2010 1:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I haven't doen a play by play analysis of the Ravens game

but my impression was that on a lot of the plays in question, our goals and the Broncos goals might not be aligning. When you are playing the field position game, lots of times you are just trying to establish certain percentages on the field, and looking for opportunities to execute the gameplan.

In this case the gameplan included running the ball, not just because of how it would help against the Ravens but because we need to start establishing some film for opponents to have to study. To that end, opportunities like 2nd and long are high opportunity plays for the run game. But we still have to execute in those situations. I think the perceived lack of aggression was determined on wednesday when the gameplan went in.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 14, 2010 2:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Styg and Brian...a questions:

Do you think that McD maybe using his mathematic background (probability, success% etc) TOO much and not relying on his instincts and gut to read a game?
I know this might sound weird, but he seems almost TOO clinical in his approach. People will mention 4th downs etc but as we all know they have been clinical, mathematical decisions as well.
Its almost as McD has become so MATHEMATICAL he has lost all FEEL in his play calling. I think we saw a big part of that last week regarding the Ravens.
Thoughts?

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by boydy2669 on Oct 14, 2010 6:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

You may be partially right

It would not surprise me to find that McDaniels is using his math background, along with what he learned from Bill Belichick and Ernie Adams, to create intricate game plans.

It would also not surprise me to find that he is using things like probability tables to determine what he wants to do during the course of a game. I’m guessing he probably has a fairly detailed chart that says: “If it’s 1-10-DEN35 with 8:00 min left and we have run xx passes for zz yards and yy runs for qq yards then we will use this play”

By the same token, I’m inclined to believe that just about every HC does this. I think McDaniels uses this approach because he truly believes that his team is capable of executing the plays that are called with success.

The hardest part of all of this for us as fans, IMHO, is that we don’t know what’s going on inside McDaniels’ head, so it’s hard for me to make a call as to whether or not he’s being too clinical.

I remember hearing Shanahan say one time after a 3rd string Bronco QB threw a pick — after audibling out of the play called by Shanahan — on a 3rd & 30 in a preseason game, that Denver didn’t have any plays drawn up for a 3rd & 30 situation.

My guess would be on things like the draw play on 3rd & long McDaniels was thinking along the lines of “At this point in the game, we have not had a play from scrimmage long enough to get the first down, it’s an obvious passing situation, so why not roll the dice and see if we can take them by surprise with a draw.” If true, that’s not clinical nor mathematical, that’s operating by feel.

Bottom line, you could well be right, or at least partially right, but it’s hard to tell.

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 14, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

This could be the biggest debate brewing in all professional sports right now

This should be filed under “is there such a thing as a hot-hand/clutch-hitter etc.”

The clinical approach to sports (which I think can be described best under mathematical game-theory models) defines sporting events as abstract situations, which keep repeating over and over. To succeed, (given that events int eh cycle aren’t predetermined) you need a statistical advantage that can be applied over time, creating a lever effect. That is the theory part.

In practice, you have teams like the Patriots, Oakland A’s, Spurs, who try to corral these “essential situations” via system (both scheme and teambuilding). For the most part the results are teams who raise their floors. In the best case scenarios, they actually make runs at championships on a regular basis.

Think of it as efficiency, on every plane, including economically. Mathematics is required because you need to establish benchmarks for productivity vs. cost. Your goal is system efficiency.

Note that this type of philosophy has no concrete prescription for most day to day actions required to run a team or play the game.

In all honesty this topic is too huge to cover in a comment. My guess, regarding you specific question, is that McD is mathematical and incisive in his decisions during the construction of the gameplan during the week, and then goes by “feel” during the course of the game (including considering the “feelings” of players and other coaches, since they should all be continually gathering data over the course of the game). The overarching philosophy may have certain principles that can be appealed to on specific decisions (such as the risk/reward of highly contextual decisions made on 4th down, etc.). But like I say, this topic is huge.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 14, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

@BShrout..well done..love the charts.

MY OL would be Clady Beatles Walton Kuper Harris.
and have no idea why it is not.

by DLMyers on Oct 13, 2010 6:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks DL

And I’d agree on the o-line.

The one thing that I’ve heard is that Beadles can play multiple positions — whereas some, if not most of the others are not so versatile — so I would guess that he’s being held in reserve in case one of the starters goes down.

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

<---raises hand

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 13, 2010 6:22 PM MDT reply actions  

LOL

I don’t believe you.

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good job BShrout.

Thanks for putting that up. (Haven’t been on here as much as I’d like since the season started – I’ve been doing my best just to watch a few NFL games each week – but this question is the main one I have for the Broncs.)

The experience is obviously a massive factor – as is the fact that our 2 best guys on the O-Line are coming back from injury and havent had time to gell yet.

Our RBs arent doing a great job themselves either, they seem to stutter a fair bit. Probably some of it their technique/skill that needs improving, but also probably a mental thing after being battered behind the line so many times now!

One other thing to ask is – how many times are we running from single back formations? I dont know if its just me but if we are going to try to run, a leadblocker helps a fair bit. We don’t really have a proper fullback atm do we? Just chuck Tebow in at fullback? Haha. We obviously don’t NEED him at qb for a while.

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by Rugbywits on Oct 13, 2010 6:40 PM MDT reply actions  

I would guess (without going back to rewatch games)

that most of our formations are single back or empty backfield.

I do remember in preseason that McDaniels used a TE as a lead blocker on occasion, so I’m a bit surprised that we haven’t seen that yet.

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

1 more reason.... Great post BShrout

One other major factor to consider is how many of our best OL are not 100% healthy. The do pretty well pass blocking because they have their mobility back, but run blocking is Drive/squat strength. and our three best OL, Kuper, Clady, and Harris don’t have the leg strength back to move the line of scrimmage. They have to play in order not to get KO killed. I believe they will slowly get better as our best get their strength back and the rookies get more experience.

oldcoachB

by oldcoachB on Oct 13, 2010 6:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Interesting observation, oldcoach
run blocking is Drive/squat strength. and our three best OL, Kuper, Clady, and Harris don’t have the leg strength back to move the line of scrimmage.

I’ve not heard this discussed anywhere, but it makes logical sense to me (given how little I know about what it takes to be a good blocker).

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great point

Not only that, but run blocking requires a certain quickness in addition to brute strength. Rehabbing to get strength back is one thing, but in my mind, quickness is probably the last thing that comes back when recovering from an injury.

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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 14, 2010 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry to interupt -

I live in central Kansas and will not get the Broncos game this weekend. I’ve checked online and there are several sites that I can pay to have the game streamed live to watch it on my computer. I thought I would quiz my fellow Bronco fans…… Are these sites for real? Does anyone know the best site? I don’t mind paying as long as it works but don’t want to get ripped off. The two site I found are watch-nfl-live.com and watchlivenfl.com. Any advice would help. Thanks

by Broncos or Bust on Oct 13, 2010 7:24 PM MDT reply actions  

www.channelsurfing.net...I think....

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by boydy2669 on Oct 13, 2010 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've never been let down by this site:

p2p4u.net

This one is free and usually has a few good links in case one goes bad. You might have to download something like StreamTorrent, but as far as I can tell the program is harmless and it lets my watch my Broncos in a crunch.

by chripstopher on Oct 13, 2010 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

email me at mhrshrout@gmail.com

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or not, I jsut saw bradfather's comment. LOL

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks to boydy2669, Christopher, Bradfather, and BShrout.

   Very much appreciated. I haven’t missed a game in years. I drove 2 hours last week to get the game but couldn’t see doing that again. Looks like one of these sites should get me through!!!! Thanks again. You guys are the bomb. BTW, this is by far the best site on the internet for BRONCOS info.

by Broncos or Bust on Oct 14, 2010 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great article Brian...I would take the same production as SF...

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by boydy2669 on Oct 13, 2010 7:36 PM MDT reply actions  

You and me both, boydy

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by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Jets have a pretty nasty D so if we can’t run on them, that won’t surprise since it’s hard to run on that team for most NFL squads.

If we can’t run on the Raiders, McD’s 2010 team will be in trouble. The more experience we get this year, the worse we run the ball. Our running game was pathetic in the two games we had Harris. It’s gotten worse as Clady has gotten healthier, Kuper too. As Walton has gained more “experience”. That doesn’t add up. Instead of seeing improvement or consistent improvement, we see consistent regression. Of our 39 (just 39?) rushing yards last week, I’d guess at least 15-20 of them came on 3rd and long runs against a D that was willing to concede running gains vs our effective passing attack. That’s not progress for our running game, it’s smart coaching from the Ravens.

It is past time Denver’s running game made strides under McD. If it doesn’t between now and the bye, it’s not a lack of experience that is the having the biggest negative impact.

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by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2010 8:00 PM MDT reply actions  

We ran exactly twice on 3rd & long

And gained 8 yards and 2 yards.

Our longest run from scrimmage was a 13 yard run on 3-1-DEN34 with 5:12 left in the 2nd quarter.

My guess is there are two major factors that are continuing to hold the running game back:

1)We haven’t started the same 5 guys two games in a row. Seems to me it would be kind of hard to build the rapport necessary to function effectively as a line when who’s next to you keeps changing.

2)We still haven’t seen our #1 and #2 RB at full health (I’m assuming Buck is not back given the way he’s been running thus far). Our #3 RB is on IR, and the guy brought in to bolster the game (Maroney) hasn’t shown much of anything yet.

oldcoachB also has an interesting comment about the effects of injuries on run blocking up above.

pty_bronco points to some instances in which runs were blown up by failure of the WR/TE to make their blocks.

So there appear to be multiple factors at work here, which suggests to me that there will be no easy or quick solution.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, and for what it's worth

both of those 3rd & long runs came in the 2nd quarter.

The first when the score was 7-0 (and I doubt the Ravens’ defense was conceding anything), and the other when the score was 17-0 (and I would still doubt that the Ravens had moved into the “they’re only going to pass” mentality at that point in time)

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Experience correlates most strongly with sacks, QB hits, and average yards per carry

Not surprising here. Though the correlation isn’t crazy strong, there are enough attempts (even with only two years of ESPN O-Line data), to argue that there’s a significant correlation between experience and sacks, QB hits, and average yards per carry.

Here are the correlation coefficients (I’ll spare you the significance testing). A correlation coefficient of 1 or -1 means that there is a direct correlation between changes in the independent variable and the dependent variable… And 0 if there’s none.

2010 experience correlation coefficients with:

  • Sacks: -0.323
  • QB Hits: -0.311
  • AVG yds: 0.252

2009 experience correlation coefficients with:

  • Sacks: -0.265
  • QB Hits: -0.245
  • AVG yds: 0.291

by chripstopher on Oct 13, 2010 8:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Execution

should correlate with experience. If it doesn’t, something is wrong.

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2010 8:45 PM MDT reply actions  

I like that comment

The inverse is also true.

A large part of the issue with our execution may be directly related to the offensive line’s lack of NFL experience overall and their lack of working as a single unit on a consistent basis.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent job Brian

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by KaptainKirk on Oct 13, 2010 10:22 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

thanks KK

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Oct 13, 2010 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

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