Denver Broncos News - Horse Tracks -- 10/15/10
by John Bena on Oct 15, 2010 5:28 AM MDT
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LaDainian Tomlinson blossoms again after his arrival in the Big Apple - The Denver Post
The clothes don't make the man. The colors, the logos, the paint on the helmets can't hide what's inside.
Paige: Time to paint town orange - The Denver Post
Since the beginning of the 2006 season, the Broncos — once the most-feared home team in the NFL because of altitude, attitude, players, coaches and fanatics — have sunk to a frightful 18-16 low-water mark — 4-4, 5-3, 4-4, 4-4 and, this season, 1-1.
Orton in charge of dissecting Jets' blitzes - The Denver Post
McDaniels said it will be up to Orton, the starting quarterback, to diagnose the Jets' complex variety of blitzes and make sure the offensive line understands who to block.
Q&A: Bowlen's vote is the one that counts - The Denver Post
Q: Recently, I heard an interview with Josh McDaniels. A reporter asked how the contract negotiations were going with Champ Bailey. Josh said he had recommended that (the Broncos) re-sign him, but it's out of his hands. Is Josh McDaniels no longer taking part in player personnel decisions?
Analysis: Jets willing to pound away with run game - The Denver Post
When Jets running back LaDainian Tomlinson visited the New York Jets this year as he was trying to decide where to sign, he didn't say much because he "kind of just wanted to soak it all in."
NFL.com news: Moving on without Moss part of plan for big-picture Patriots
The record will show the Patriots dealt Randy Moss to the Minnesota Vikings on Oct. 6, 2010. But preparations for the blockbuster, from New England's perspective, were pushed into motion almost a year earlier than that.
NFL.com news: Hair-raising blast: Pop singer Bieber mocks Brady's moptop
Even Justin Bieber is making fun of Tom Brady's hair.
NFL.com news: Raiders' Gradkowski still can't practice; McFadden questionable
Oakland Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkowski missed practice for a second consecutive day Thursday with an injured shoulder, and running back Darren McFadden said he is questionable for Sunday's game against the San Francisco 49ers with a hamstring injury.
NFL.com news: Favre limited by sore throwing elbow at Vikings practice
Quarterback Brett Favre returned to practice for the Minnesota Vikings on Thursday, one day after sitting out to rest his sore right elbow.
NFL.com news: Steelers' offense changing with Roethlisberger's return
With Ben Roethlisberger returning Sunday, the Steelers are making a change on offense.
NFL.com news: Titans RB Johnson skips practice to rest sore thigh
Titans running back Chris Johnson received a day off from practice because of his sore thigh.
Source: Colt McCoy officially set to start for Browns against Steelers - ESPN
Although it's not a surprise, it is now official: Rookie quarterback Colt McCoy will make his NFL debut Sunday for the Cleveland Browns.
NFL.com news: Kolb more likely to start for Eagles as ailing Vick again rests
Michael Vick didn't practice Thursday, so Kevin Kolb took all of the first-team repetitions at quarterback for the Eagles, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported.
New York Jets' Darrelle Revis, Calvin Pace to travel; game status unclear - ESPN New York
Darrelle Revis and Calvin Pace are coming along for the ride.
Ines Sainz of TV Azteca wants out of NFL locker rooms - ESPN
A Mexican television reporter who said she felt uncomfortable in the New York Jets locker room last month is returning to work and plans to conduct her interviews anywhere but there.
N.Y. grand jury indicts Canadian sports doctor Anthony Galea - ESPN
A high-profile Canadian sports doctor charged earlier this year with smuggling unapproved drugs into the United States to treat professional athletes was formally indicted Thursday by a federal grand jury in Buffalo.
Ready to go? Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers practices - ESPN
Quarterback Aaron Rodgers was cleared by doctors and returned to practice for the Green Bay Packers on Thursday. Assuming he doesn't have a setback in his recovery from a concussion, he is optimistic he will start Sunday's game against Miami.
Oakland Raiders' Bruce Gradkowski sits out 2nd day of practice - ESPN
Oakland Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkowski missed practice for a second straight day Thursday with an injured shoulder and running back Darren McFadden said he is questionable for Sunday's game against the San Francisco 49ers with a hamstring injury.
Week 6 NFL tip sheet | National Football Post
Let’s get you ready for the Week 6 NFL action. Notes, my top teams, personnel and all of my NFL picks for the weekend.
Jason Campbell to start for Raiders | National Football Post
Oakland Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell is expected to start Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers.
Quarter pole NFC look | National Football Post
What a week, eh? Brett Favre's falling apart on and off the field, agents are paying players is a hot topic and college football's search for a national champion is one jumbled mess. But, I will leave all those to our great writers here at the National Football Post, because today as promised I want to finish my look at the NFL landscape as we know it on October 14.
Jimmy Kennedy is pissed off and he's talking about it | National Football Post
Just imagine what his tenure would have been like with the St. Louis Rams had Jimmy Kennedy shown this much fire when he was there as a first-round draft pick?
Tony Romo invites Tony Dungy to pay him a visit | National Football Post
After the retired Super Bowl winning coach questioned the leadership of Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo on Sunday night, Romo invited him on down to take a look and talk about it.
Personal Conduct Policy at crossroads | National Football Post
As Ben Roethlisberger returns from his NFL-imposed four-week suspension for bad behavior and the league looks into "sexting" allegations against Brett Favre, the issue of conduct by NFL players off the field has again become front and center. It is also an issue in play between the NFL and the NFLPA in bargaining for a new CBA to avert a 2011 lockout.
Devin Thomas doesn't think underperforming sunk him in D.C. | National Football Post
In the world of Devin Thomas, his release from the Washington Redskins had nothing to do with his inability to be in shape, stay healthy and, you know, produce on the field.
NFL fines Nate Burleson $15,000 for separate incidents | National Football Post
The NFL cracked down on the Detroit Lions wide receiver and fined him $15,000 for two separate no-no’s during the team’s blowout victory over the St. Louis Rams last Sunday. We know wins are hard to come by in Motown, but Burleson will probably think twice the next time he scores a touchdown and has the urge to, you know, kick the ball into the Ford Field stands.
NFL Week 6 predictions by Peter King - Peter King - SI.com
New York Jets (4-1) at Denver Broncos (2-3) Sit, Darrelle, sit. And not just for this week either. The Jets have to bite the bullet and give Revis a minimum of three weeks off. If not, this hammy will flare up throughout the season and they'll be faced with Kyle Wilson covering Reggie Wayne or Mike Wallace in January. That's a losing proposition.
Jacksonville Jaguars become 15th club to decertify union, in case of lockout - NFL - SI.com
Jacksonville Jaguars players have voted to give the NFL Players Association their backing to decertify the union in the event of a labor lockout next year.
Vikings-Cowboys is NFL playoff game in October - Don Banks - SI.com
Typically when my editors and I hash out which game I should cover on any given NFL weekend, a matchup of sub-.500 teams doesn't make the radar screen or get even token consideration. But Sunday's Dallas at Minnesota showdown is no typical meeting of 1-3 teams. And off the top of my head, here are 10 reasons why:
Big Ben's tall task - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Like the thousands of athletes before him who have found themselves in compromising positions and been handed a second chance, Ben Roethlisberger(notes) says he has changed. He has said this repeatedly in the months after that spring night in Georgia where a woman alleged something happened in the restroom and an ensuing Georgia Bureau of Investigation report painted a portrait of an athlete run amok.
Jimmy Johnson: Brett Favre's a 'drama queen' - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN
"Would you agree with me on this, that he is a drama queen? He’s a drama queen that’s 41 years old, and while some of his ailments are real, and he’s got some problems, there’s no doubt about that," Johnson said. "But he loves to play it up, he loves the spotlight. And the guy can still do it. And I’ve always said this — it’s not how many great plays you make that make you successful, it’s how few bad plays. And it’s getting to where his bad plays are about equal or more to his good plays."
Oakland Raiders at San Francisco 49ers (Sunday, 4:05 ET, CBS) - NFL Blitz: Ranking best games of Week 6 - FOX Sports List
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Thanks John
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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Great article by Paige - Woody haters can shove it
How can anyone carp on about Woody’s negativity when he displays such passion in his posts.
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by British Bronco on Oct 15, 2010 5:42 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
PS - we've lost home field advantage because the fans don't make the noise they used to.
Home field advantage isn’t an intangible. Its a real measurable effect – when the fans make noise then bad things happen to the opposing offence.
The new Kingdome has it. And the Seahawks have a good home record now.
Mile High Stadium used to have it. Invesco sure doesn’t. I went to Mile High several times in the 90’s. Had an amazing time in the South Stands. The noise was incredible. I don’t want to visit Invesco because everything I read tells me it’s probably going to suck.
Thanks a lot Mr Bowlen for ruining the home field advantage.
Lets see if the fans on Sunday can overcome the obstacles in their way and make some friggin’ noise.
What would Blackie Lawless do?
by British Bronco on Oct 15, 2010 5:48 AM MDT up reply actions
What does Bowlen have to do with home field advantage.
Invesco was designed and built specifically to replicate the noice level from the old Mile High Stadium. And it does, if only the FANS would quit sitting on their hands and start making some noise. I’ve seen many times watching the game on TV that the stadium shakes as much and can be as noisy as Mile High was.
by CompUser on Oct 15, 2010 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only problem is...
the footprint of the new stadium is twice the size. That is what allows there to be more luxury suites and unobstructed views. So yes, they tried to duplicate the noise with things such as metal boxes at the fans feet for stomping, etc, but you are trying to create the same noise, in twice the space, with the same amount of people. Not going to happen.
Invesco still gets loud, but the design simply won’t let it get THAT loud…
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I remember going to the new Mile High when it first opened
and sitting in the upper deck. I felt good about the new stadium because when the fans were fired up, the upper deck was shaking so much that it was earthquake status. This new stadium has it in her, but the new fans don’t seem to have it in them.
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 15, 2010 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
That may be a part of it
but I think it is a small part. As a season ticket holder in the south stands (section 233) the place is just not alive anymore. I think the problem is too many season ticket holders that just hold on to their priority number to sell their tickets to the highest bidder, which 99% of the time is a fan of the opposing team. Very rarely anymore is a whole section on their feet stomping and making the infamous Rocky Mountain Thunder. Until the Broncos/Bowlen can do something about the number of season ticket holders that sell their tickets every week this problem will not be resolved. In a great city like Denver where there are so many transplants from other city’s with allegiances to their old teams, I am sad to say that I don’t see the old Mile High Magic coming back. Unfortunately all Bowlen sees is seats sold and huge amounts of beer sales because these outside fans buying the tickets know this is their one opportunity to see their team live for the year and they get completely shit faced and obnoxious to the point that drives me to wonder about renewing my tickets. I am not sure what you do about the remaining “real” fans that seem not interested enough to stand up and cheer their team on. In my book a real fan is there loud and proud through thick and thin, and things can get a lot more thin than .500 records.
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Name the stadium after an investment firm and design it around luxury suites
Then act surprised when a bunch of suits show up.
I went to many games at Mile High but have never been to Invesco, so no first hand knowledge.
I haven't seen any suits
Just people in their jerseys screaming.
Do you go to all the games? If you don’t then lets not make unsubstatiated generalizations.
If you can afford a ticket. Go to the games – it’s plenty noisy so long as we’re in the game. I sit 25 rows up in a fairly expensive section – and its very loud.
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"Its plenty noisy so long as we're in the game."
That’s the problem. It’s too quiet when we’re not in the game. It needs to be noisy every time the visiting team has the ball – at least on third downs and when they get in scoring position.
While the footprint of the new stadium is twice the size,
the actual bowl inside the stadium that holds the field and seats, isn’t twice the size. There’s only about an inch more leg room and an average of about 1.5 inches more width per seat than the old stadium. Most of the expanded footprint is for more than double the number of women’s bathrooms, much wider walk ways, more food vendors, restaurants, souvenir shops, things like that. Plus much bigger, better team rooms, and as you said, more luxury suites.
I still say the problem is the fans.
There are many factors that go into the volume capability of a stadium.
As I teach marching band, I know a thing or two about the acoustics of football fields. I’ve never been to Invesco, and I was only at Mile High once, and I was 12, so I wasn’t really paying attention. So, those of you familiar with both stadiums, please tell me if any of these aspects are different:
1. Slope or grade of the stands: if the sweep of the bleachers is wide, the fans are farther away from the action, thus the noise they make has more distance over which to dissipate before getting to the field.
2. Open ends: If there is an open end (like the INDY stadium) or two, or if the distance between the end zone and the bleachers is too great, the noise will fall out the ends of the stadium.
3. Distance from the field to the first row of stands: If there are 75 feet of ground between the sideline and the first row, the distance will dissipate the sound more than if the bleachers were closer to the field.
4. Material: If the expanse between the sideline and stands is made of turf or grass, it will absorb the sound more. If it is concrete, or some material that doesn’t absorb sound, the crowd noise will bounce around inside the bowl better.
5. The parabolic curve on both the x and y axes of the stadium: The focus of the parabola should be on the field or as close to it as possible. If that’s not possible, the focus should have a structural sound reflector built in to redirect sound back to the field.
6. THe very thin air that we love and that helps in one way makes it more difficult for sound to travel. Denser air, like humid, sea level air, carries sound better than thin dry air. Obviously I know that the air and altitude were the same betwee both stadiums, but I thought I’d cite that aspect in the name of thoroughness.
7. Wind: If the top is too open and the wind is able to swirl in the stadium, sound will be dissipated.
8. Points of reflection: If structural factors are designed correctly, there will be flat or slightly concave surfaces created to deflect sound back to the field, not up and out of the field, and not back at the audience.
9. Seat material: Are the seats hard or cushioned? Are the stairs and floors turf/carpet or concerte?
9. Oh, and FAN PARTICIPATION!
Instead of horns and noisemakers, we should market plastic MHR satellite dishes – parabolic dishes that the crowd can aim directly at the opposing o-lines. It would sound like a normal conversation was yelling in the players’ ears!
So how is Invesco, as opposed to Mile High? WHich aspects do each of these possess?
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I remember the cover of Westword years ago with Bowlen holding a gun to a white bronco's head.
No one in Denver was crying for a new stadium except for him. He claimed he needed it to keep the Broncos competitive and made the thinly veiled threat that he might have to sell the team or move it to keep it viable. Denver knuckled under and gave him his new stadium. That is what Bowlen has to do with our loss of home field advantage.
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by MrFNSunshine on Oct 15, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's true
That’s also why the “D” was removed and the colors were changed to that dark blue- just in case he wanted to move the team, he was all set.
Ugly bit of history there.
by AllBroncsallday on Oct 15, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure that is true...
I remember that too, and I was mad about it at the time. However, it may have been speculative on the part of media/fans at the time.
I’d like to see some hard proof before I sign off on the notion that a move was any more than speculation.
I had forgotten about that though.
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As I recall
Bowlen didn’t come out and say “I’m moving the team if I don’t get a new stadium”, that’s true. However, I do recall him making the statement that if he didn’t get it, it would be “difficult to remain competitive”, and he’d really have to “consider his options”.
It wasn’t an overt threat, but as I recall it was definitely implied. I will grant that it’s a bit speculative, but that’s how it felt to me at the time.
by AllBroncsallday on Oct 15, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I did the polling on the stadium issue
I’ll try to avoid partisan politics here.
There were fairly innocuous but veiled statements on Bowlen’s part but “competitive” should be understood as ‘as profitable as other teams.’ He probably wasn’t going to move the team but he could have if there was an attractive offer by another city.
We aren’t alone as far as refurbishing our stadium. Many teams were successful in convincing the electorate to subsidize the owners’ cost of doing business. And the argument by owners such as Bowlen that it put him at a disadvantage relative other owners (particularly those who also enjoyed new stadiums replete with luxury boxes) wasn’t satisfactory, in my view.
Sports franchises are the beneficiaries of an unusual amount of good will from the public so it doesn’t take much of a threat to convince people to ante up. Also, what I noted when conducting the polls was that voters outside the stadium taxing district were much more likely to support the bond measure, which isn’t surprising since they weren’t going to be taxed but they could still enjoy the benefit of having a team.
IMO — Bowlen is one of the better owners in the NFL and didn’t push the measure as hard as he could have. Still, I have issues with the idea of the public provision of a private good. While it’s true that some economic good is accrued to the community a whole, voters taxed themselves in order that Bowlen could make a tidy profit. The ‘cost of doing business’ argument masquerades as a free market argument but it’s really more of a millionaire subsidy. And that goes for the players, too. I think it’s interesting that many people who complain about how taxes are spent have no problem supporting bond measures such as the stadium tax. Opinions are inconsistent in this area.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
That’s pretty much how I remember it. There was no overt and obvious threats made, but the public was made to understand that “options” were being considered if the bond issue didn’t pass. IMO, making the both uniforms and logo more “generic” was also fairly suggestive, at least on the subconscious level. It was a “This needs to pass or… I don’t know what’ll happen…” kind of thing.
LOL at the voters outside the taxing area being more in favor of it. Gee, I’m shocked!
I’ve always been of the (curmudgeonly) opinion that if the stadium must be named something other than “Mile High”, then by all rights it should be called “6-County Area Taxpayer Field”. ;p (Was it 6?)
by AllBroncsallday on Oct 15, 2010 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
as I recall
From what I can remember — there was a six county district that formed the stadium taxing district, which was pretty similar to the metro taxing district that’s used for other measures.
The devious way that Invesco complied with the stipulation that they must use ‘mile high’ in the stadium’s name is still an issue with me. I would have approved if they had used something more grammatical such as “Invesco Mile HIgh Stadium” but the current tag is just a constant reminder of an unscrupulous company intent on subverting the measure. I realize I’m being harsh but one of my main interests is the dishonest use of language (agnatology) and I rarely see unintended languaging.
I also seem to recall that Bowlen paid relatively little once the naming rights were sold and the bond paid most of the stadium’s cost. And those costs can written off as a business cost. If we’re going to pay for a stadium that’s primarily for the use of his team, and he’s the sole financial beneficiary, I think the taxing district should be a silent partner that partakes of the profits, and the district should also have veto power over any potential move. After all, that’s what any business partner would demand, so why the millionare welfare?
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
one more comment
The crux of my objection to the stadium bond (which I voted for nonetheless) is that afford-ability is not the bona fide issue. It wasn’t a question of the normal cost of doing business but whether Bowlen could make as much as owners who had likewise persuaded the public to pay a large part of their costs. The reason those owners wanted refurbished stadiums was so they could add luxury boxes and thus make more money. The salary cap limited the main cost of doing business so it wasn’t a question of whether Bowlen could afford to run the team but of whether he could keep pace with those owners.
Any investor would have received a share of the profits and/or partial ownership in return for his investment. The public received revenues from relevant taxes of certain game-related activities and a sales tax revenue boost from visiting fans but the arrangement was not comparable to what an actual investor would have received — IMO.
This is an issue that a renegotiated collective bargaining agreement should shed some light on.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
Agree 100%
I’m not a fan of welfare for millionaires, to say nothing of welfare for billionaires. I too voted for it, but like you, wanted to see the public get something in return similar to your silent partner suggestion. As you suggest, the public essentially was the investing partner, so how about some return on that investment?
Sure, we see some tax-related revenue etc, but really, nothing like a “real” investing partner would’ve insisted on receiving. Instead, all of that goes to Bowlen.
Great deal if you can get it, I’m sure.
Pat, give us back our Orange and our D! It’s the least you can do! ;)
by AllBroncsallday on Oct 17, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
i think a decade of mediocre football has more to do with it...
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Oct 15, 2010 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions
We've lost homefield advantage because the team's not as good as they once were
The idea that fans can will a team to victory is usually false. In rare instances, the fans can draw penalties for the opposing defense or offense and in the rarest of instances, the crowd and team whip each other into a frenzy and feed off of each other.
But for that to happen – the team must be in the game. And not in the game like the Broncos were “in” the Ravens game, because they were nevery truly “in” that game.
In games that Denver was “in” last year that the fans were crazy for (I was at the games)were:
Pats game WIN
Dallas game WIN
Oakland game LOSS
However, there was that feeling during the Oakland game that Denver was going to lose. The defense was getting worse and worse and Denver;‘s offense couldn’t get into the endzone often enough. So although the fans were good, there was that sense of “uh oh” happening for the entire second half. In the past, we never had that “uh oh” feeling because of Elway seeing as how games that seemed out of reach were winnable and close games were sure things. We were lucky to have that,. as most cities don’t ever get that and even less cities get it a second time.
Compare ‘09 w/ ’08 and at least Denver didn’t go 1-4 in their last 5 at home like the ‘08 team did. That Buffalo game was choke city. That’s the game that I ultimately believed drove the nail into the coffin for Shanny. It also didn’t help that Denver got absolutely whipped by Oakland in week 12 here in Denver. I think Fargas, Lelie, and Jabbarcus had great games that week.
Woody’s article is great. He’s just pining for a classic Broncos experience. We all are. And he hit the nail on the head with this:
Release that pent-up emotion as you did in the Patriots game last season. Give the Jets something to think about, give the fans something to cheer about and give ’em, as Bonnie Raitt sang, something to talk about — Tim Tebow occasionally in the backfield with Orton, razzle-dazzle reverse flea-flicker plays, a fake punt and an onsides kick, safety blitzes, six-man defensive fronts, five wide-receiver sets and the creativity you promised.
Enough with the hard line on winning the way you hope you can win, just win any possible way you can. Come out guns-a-blazin and open that playbook wider than you ever have before.
If you want to cheer for the Broncos, go to Invesco. When they win, it doesn’t matter what the stadium’s called. Last year when Denver beat the Pats, its was full on Mile High Madness. It makes me sick when people complain about the fans. Fans are fickle. Always have been. Winning teams cause the fans to get excited and show up in droves and wear jerseys to work and name their kids after players. Saying Invesco sucks is rediculous. The Broncos have been worse than ever at home in the past 4+ years, and because of that, the fans aren’t pecieved as good as they once were.
Fans don’t cause their teams to be good, it’s the other way around.
If you wanna show up at the stadium and lead by example, be my guest. We’re all loud as hell – even when we lose, where are you?
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by super7 on Oct 15, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting points but correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Broncos team of the early 70's have a loud passionate fanbase that made tons of noise even though they were losing?
Genuine not rhetorical question coming up:
Is anyone here old enough to remember the days before the winning seasons started in 1973-74?
I’m not sure I’m fully prepared to concede the point that the team is fully responsible for creating a nosie rowdy fanbase. Real fans should be looking to call false start penalties on the opposition, regardless of whether or not the team is doing that well. Supprt your team through thick and thin and all that.
However I’m gald to hear Super 7 that you guys do make some noise. Next time I can afford to come over the pond Stateside I’ll be heading towards Invesco. Sounds like I won’t need to spend 5 hours looking for someone to sell me a ticket either like I did 14 years ago!
And I promise you at the London game I will do what I can to get some Broncos crowd noise going!
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by British Bronco on Oct 15, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
The fans were loyal
and passionate but weren’t heralded as wild and crazy and loud until 1977. Denver was catapulted onto the national stage with the home playoff game vs. the Steelers and the Raiders (aside from Dallas, easily the 2 most popular teams at the time).
The fans were relentless and loud and crazy. Aftrer the AFC Championship – there was a naked woman on a white horse riding down the 16th street mall (so the rumor says).
The national media loved Denver as the little town that could and it was a situtation where the fans created the buzz and the buzz created the fans and it kep going around and around. In the mid 80’s when Denver had another contender, the fans, only a handful of years removed from the run to Super Bowl 12, were ready to go crazy again and did it with the same gusto they did 8 years prior.
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OK nice one thank you.
What would Blackie Lawless do?
by British Bronco on Oct 15, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep, I'm old enough and I remember
I worked inside the stadium from ‘69-’74 and it did get loud occasionally but wasn’t always loud – it depended a lot on the circumstances (although I think the south stands were nearly always loud and somewhat nuts). I think there’s a couple of reasons for Invesco’s more quiet nature. First, the fan base has changed. Ticket prices have served to exclude at least some of the middle class that used to come out. And second, the team simply hasn’t been all that great since Invesco opened. With the exception of ‘the 05 season, there hasn’t been as much to get excited about. And yes, there was a naked woman on a horse on the 16th street mall.
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by British Bronco on Oct 15, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
+10000
He’s absolutely right about the people telling other in front of them to sit down. I was at the Raiders game 2 years ago and as the Raiders were going for it on 4th down, some old guy behind me told me to sit down! So of course I calmly and politely turned around and told him to F***ING go home if you wanted to sit down and watch the Broncos! Ridiculous… We lost that game btw. We NEED home field advantage back. I wish I could be there to fire some people up.
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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 15, 2010 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I wish I could go to a game with some real rowdy fans.
When I went before, it was with some priveledged folks that I don’t think were all that demonstrative. But they did buy my ticket…
Got to say, though, it takes a lot of energy to power through a whole game like that. Not sure I have that kind of energy right now. Much respect to the rowdy fan.
agreed - same thing happened to me at the AFC Champsionship game in '05
The only seats we were able to land were club level, we tried to stand throughout the game but people behind us would keep yelling to sit down. Those requests were ignored until security became involved.
It really does
not necessarily energy to stand up, but my voice is killing me the entire next week after I go to a Broncos game. I guess it’s a good thing I don’t have season tickets. Although, I could resort to pounding my feet if my voice really started to suffer.
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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 15, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
+1 mbp
I’ve only been to two games, but the crowd didn’t need any urging to be loud. I lost my voice also so I know I did my part. Nothing like a resounding IN-COM-PLETE!
we won both games BTW.
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 15, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Stomping your feet
Otherwise known as “Rocky Mountain Thunder”. That’s a big one that I don’t think translated to the new stadium too well. The old stadium was almost like one giant speaker- it enhanced and reverberated the feet-stomping until everything was shaking and you couldn’t hear a thing. People may remember how the cameras in the stands would shake like mad during these times.
That just doesn’t seem to occur with the new stadium, despite the efforts of the fans.
by AllBroncsallday on Oct 15, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
There's another factor
The old stadium had seating that seemed to be closer to playing field, particularly on the east side – I remember being to walk along that sideline walkway and nearly reach out and touch the opposing team’s players. And second, I may be wrong, but I think the old stadium had a more pronounced rake or seating angle such that the crowd was more on top of the action – maybe just my imagination though.
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I think you're right about that
Guru hit this above with the footprint issue.
The design of the old one was Up, rather than Out. Made for steep stairs, but even at the tip top of section 500, the last flippin’ row in the place (and I’ve been there many times, lol) you weren’t that far from the field. As compared to something like the “Big House” in Michigan, where it seems like the people at the top of the stadium are 3 miles further away from the field than those in the lower bowl.
The new stadium is sort of similar, but the angle is not as great as it was in the old one, so people aren’t “crowding” the field like the in the old one.
by AllBroncsallday on Oct 15, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks John.
A coupe if random thoughts..
I wonder which first round qb the raiders are going to draft this year. They need to do something at qb next year and I’m not sure they could survive another epic jamarcus (bust).
I have also been wondering whether the presence of tebow, and his status as future of the franchise, has some effect of the teams commitment to orton and the present?
This will be a much tougher game for the jets than last week was for the ravens. They played monday night so they have a short week anyway but they also have less time because they are coming to denver. The altitude will also have an effect as will the sea of orange, which should also increase fan noise somewhat. Also this needs to be a statement game for the broncos despite the injuries, if we can get this win it could kick start our team as they move into the easier part of their schedule.
by HorseStance on Oct 15, 2010 5:53 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
That should read..
a couple of random thoughts..
My mobile likes me to sound like english isn’t my first language.. ;-/
by HorseStance on Oct 15, 2010 6:10 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You too. :)
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by weazel on Oct 15, 2010 11:55 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Horse....
The Raiders don’t have a first round pick in the draft. They traded it to the Patriots for Seymour.
I never am up early enough for these.
By the time I wake up, the conversations on this thread are usually done. It just so happens that I’m going to bed really late tonight and I thought I’d step in and post something for once.
LT’s resurgence is scary. I agree with what Champ said. The Jets o-line has got to be a factor. They have the best run blocking oline in the league and he is certainly benefiting from it.
Okay goodnight all lol
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HorseStance – The Faders don’t have a 1st round pick in 2011, courtesy of the Richard Seymour trade last year.
Hahahaha..
I guess they must have realised that they would just waste it anyway.
by HorseStance on Oct 15, 2010 7:50 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, if they could just develop talent worth a darn
They should be able to pick up a good QB prospect in the 2nd—5th rounds or so. Of course, they don’t really have anyone for a rook to learn behind. Don’t know how good of a QB tutor Gradkowski is. Maybe they can bring Jeff Garcia back? What they really need is a more productive atmosphere. Not many people are going to become better players in Oakland.
It doesn't help
if you’re scouting the California Penal League for players either.
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Thanks for all the links, John
For me, the Legwold link was especially worthwhile.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
I wanna change it up a little and be random
Has anyone been following NFL.com’s top 100? I haven’t but I just had a look at the list.
They’re up to 31. And out of 70 players, so far not one Bronco. I’m going to assume that Elway will be it. Deion Sanders came in at 34 and I find it hard to see Champ getting more votes than him. Winslow’s already voted so I guess Sharpe won’t be there.
So its Elway… and I guess that’s it. Maybe Zim but i doubt it. Is this surprising to anyone? I’m curious. I follow Bronco history but I’m short on experience of watching the games. Realistically I would have thought the top 3 talent Broncos would have been Elway, Sharpe and Champ. And am I wrong to think those guys should be top 100?
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by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 15, 2010 9:11 AM MDT reply actions
Elway, Gradishar, Rod Smith
Champ is very good, but hasn’t been on a superbowl team so will suffer from that.
I get you
I’m just trying to think of the guys that I would have thought had enough popularity to make the cut. Gradishar and RS aren’t HOF yet. Less surprised with those guys to be honest. Champ will/should be first ballot. Sharpe will be in this year or next. So I’m slightly surprised with this… must be tough though picking 100 and there must be some tough calls, no doubt.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 15, 2010 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess we just have to be happy if Elway is really that high.
Given the way the Broncos team is treated in relative terms by media, I would have expected Elway to be a throw in around the 80 to 90 range. I wouldn’t be that surprised if they just plum left him off. I wouldn’t be right, but it’s easy to forget the Broncos when you’re busy salivating over the Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, and whatnot.
by Orange Rush on Oct 15, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Elways should be top 10, but we'll see
Rich Jackson could be in there somewhere.
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Cool
Great stories about Tombstone… doesn’t sound like that guy gets the respect he deserves
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by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 15, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton seems to be passing well vs the biltz in 2010. Does any know if my gut feeling is at all accurate?
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I have seen the same from him, plus we definitely have some plays that take advantage of an aggressive defense.
I was really getting frustrated with this at the beginning of the Tennessee game, but there were definitely adjustments from Orton and the playcalling to take advantage. We have the plays, we just need to execute them.
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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 15, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes he is
Much better than last year…it seems he is more comfortable with where his hot route is for the dump off in the face of a blitz than he was last year. It helps that his line is doing a decent job of giving him long enough to throw it before it all comes crumbling down.
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I’d like to see Denver throw a bomb on our 1st series. It seems like we always start games with the ball control, short and medium passing to maintain possession game plan.
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Lloyd – Hitch and go on Cromartie (the ball is coming to you). All Cro wants is to make INTs while avoiding those pesky child support payments. He will give up the deep ball. Actually he gives up a lot of catches because he sucks.
I hope Revis is too hurt to play.
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exactly.
the vikes figured out last week that the jets could be burned deep, and that was with revis playing.
by black_knight101 on Oct 15, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Totally...
Here’s what I’m envisioning…
Orton 3 step drop, pump fake, drop 2 more steps, hit Lloyd in stride on his go part of a out and up double move.
;)
Totally agree
Been saying that for weeks. We seem to come out playing sideline to sidleine. Vs the Ravens last week we had that reverse (that was called back of course) but aside from that play – I wasn’t inspired or surprised by anything the Broncos did on offense.
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No
And I’m ready to see something different offensively. We can slap each other on the back all we want for having the #2 passing yardage offense in the NFL – but realistically – we have 11 TD’s in 5 games. That’s barely 2 TD’s a game offensively. We need at LEAST 3 tds a game as our defense isn’t elite. That’s essentially 15.4 points per week by offensive TD – and 1.8 FG’s a week – which is 5.4 ponts per week by FG.
Althought that’s good for 14th in the NFL (only 12 teams make the playoffs) – Denver is #26 in points allowed in the NFL. Giving up 23.2 points per game.
I’m happy w/ less pass yards and gaudy stats in exchange for more points.
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agree
but we tried to open it up last week the 1st series, and it almost worked until we had a penalty. it’ll work if we aren’t stupid.
by black_knight101 on Oct 15, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Going to be hard to run long-developing plays
with rookies likely to draw penalties as plays go on.
by Orange Rush on Oct 15, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks John.
Long time reader but first time poster here. Great stuff but i was reminded this morning why i stopped looking at the DP comments. Much appreciated MHR isn’t like that. Thank you to all of you for excellent posts. One guy really wished orton would hurt. Wow, still speechless.
by broncs27 on Oct 15, 2010 9:31 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Making the trip to Denver from Austin for the jets game
Super excited.
Is there any other bronco type things to do Saturday or Sunday night? restaurants owned by players etc.
Are jerseys cheaper or more expensive at the stadium?
From what I have seen
The jerseys are about the same at the Broncos Store as they are anywhere. I don’t know about Saturday night, but if we win, there will be plenty of celebration going on at practically any bar you can find downtown. Enjoy the first hand account of the game for those of us who can’t be there. PS went to Austin for the first time last week for a conference and was able to get a taste of the nightlife and friday of ACL. I love that town!
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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 15, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll be staying downtown
So i’ll definitely be hitting those up. Haven’t they converted some of downtown into an outdoor mall?
Austin is a great city. I’ve lived all over the country and it has been one of my favorite cities.
yea 16th street is a mall
but there are some great bars all over
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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 15, 2010 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Truman
There is a guy selling stitched jerseys for $50 on the street west of the stadium right on the corner. He is there every week. I haven’t bought one but they look pretty good for the price. I believe he said his family stitched them up so at least they’re made in America. Lol
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Most importantly - in regards to going to the Stadium Store
Do NOT attempt to go on game day. It is always a madhouse.
I would do that part on Saturday. Congratulations on getting to go on Orange Sunday!!!
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 15, 2010 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I heartily agree with that
The best you will be able to do is walk by and see a few things.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
So Why do we care what Justin whats his name thinks about brady
Brady-
10x more popular than JB
Hotter wife than JB
3 more SB rings than JB
Not a fan of either of them but if I had 3 SB rings a hot wife and was googled by girls over 13 I’d wear my hair any Damn way I want!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
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Thank you for the Horse Tracks
Yup that’s right, I can’t thank you enough (and sometimes I really epitomize that statement by not doing it at all, ha ha).
I really liked Woody’s Q&A…. Well, liked is a relative term, because I greatly appreciate what he points out, but at the same time, it sickens me that Mile High just isn’t quite like Mile High anymore…. The worst part about it is how little your average fan understands football in general.
i.e. I can’t count the times I’ve went to a home game and We’ve got idiots (and I mean that in the nicest way) yelling and screaming and trying to get fellow fans riled up, when Our OFFENSE is on the field. Really?!?! That’s just the tip of the iceberg too, because at least they’re there cheering…. Ok I better stop now. ::End rant::
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 15, 2010 2:44 PM MDT reply actions
