Looks like we're cutting Andre Brown.... NFP
by Davie J on Oct 16, 2010 1:07 PM MDT
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Just came up on NFPost via Yahoo!,
Not sure the reason, other than we may move someone up from the Prac. Squad for the game. Could mean a signing, could just be a bad report, we'll see. I do hope we sign him back, unless it's an attitude/ability concern the coaches have.
I will say that this almost certainly means Knowshon is playing this weekend (best news possible since last weeks mutilation of our defensive backfield and Mr. Ayers). We'll need him out of the backfield as a check downs (which could equal our running game...) and because he'll hit the whole about 2 days before Maroney, keeping us out of negative yards.
Either way, lets smack Rex around a bit, and Go Broncos!
Update:Batiste Cut, Alexander and McCarthy added
Thanks to Nick cast for that update. Looks like Alexander could fill in for Ayers for a bit and we have some more depth at Safety. Alexander is huge (6'4 265, means potential run stopper!) and hopefully up to speed.
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We need to sign a FS. Someone had to get cut.
Guess Moreno is going to play.
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This one should make you smile
We also released D’Anthony Batiste
and signed McCarthy and Kevin Alexander from the PS.
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Did we also cut Stanley Daniels?
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considering he is our starter
no we haven’t lol
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Crap. We are starting Daniels ahead of Hoch again?
Good grief. I missed that.
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I don't know yet
that’s my guess at least.
McD hasn’t said if Daniels or Hoch will start
or
if Beadles or Harris will start.
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Guess McD cares about O-line chemistry about as much as I cared for the Phonz Smith trade back at the 2009 draft.
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or as much as you care for Maroney lol
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You mean as much as Maroney cares about playing NFL football, which from watching him lazily jog about the field seems to be about NOTHING.
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lol
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
is it laziness
or is it a combination of being slow and a dancer?
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If you saw that dropped pass vs the Titans, it’s laziness.
I bet he is pretty fast. Too bad he doesn’t care.
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I don't know what you're referring to
Maybe he is just lazy and doesn’t care.
That says something since he is in a contract year.
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Who
could forget that Madden be trippin’ in regard to its lackluster assessment of Maroney on the new game
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 16, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, that probably is the reason...best our O line has been is with Clady, Kuper, Walton, Daniles and Beadles...
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When was that?
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First game.
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I tend to remember Orton getting trashed in that one. I also remember Beadles and Daniels getting schooled by Kampman
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yeah that is pretty much how I remember that game.
Question: When are we going to put Beadles in at LG? I s Harris still hurt?
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Don’t ask me. I’d love to see Beadles at LG. He played LG and LT in college.
Daniels is one of the worst starting O-linemen I’ve ever seen and Hoch is nothing more than a subpar stopgap.
I don’t get what McD is doing along the O-line and from watching his team try to run the ball, I don’t think he does either.
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He also said...same presser
Harris and Beadles battling to see who gets the start at RT
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 16, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree.
I would love to see Beadles at LG, it is better tailored to his abilities/skill set.
The only thing that I can think of is that Harris is still not at full strength, which forces McD to plug in Beadles into the RT position because of his versatility.
It could be worse though…..we could have Tyler Polumbus as our RT!!!
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I thought McD said Hoch will start at LG in his Friday presser??
I could be wrong…help me out here
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 16, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
read it some where too
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by Orange and Blue on Oct 16, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought so
But who knows how it could change today.
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Really???? Hallelujah!!!
Batiste needed to go a long time ago, and McCarthy should be good on SP and if Bruton stinks it up… well, he should be playable at least.
The best news could be Kevin Alexander…. I know he’s a rookie, but that means he could replace Ayers if Moss or Hunter doesn’t do it, keeping Haggen in the middle. And I think Haggen beside DJ is one of the best combos Wink has put together so far. They’ve both been hard hitting machines (though not great in the passing game… oh well)
I don't think any of these moves are permanent
I wouldn’t be surprised if we did the opposite of these moves next week.
But if we bring back Batiste, McG is going to kill someone.
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Batiste would be a backup RT on most college teams.
I hope you are wrong.
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Batiste is so bad
that even the Bears would laugh at him if he tried out for them.
This dude needs to disappear and never appear in a Bronco uniform again.
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I like mccarthy for his ST skills
He was a stud at Notre Dame on ST.
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Not knocking him at all
But the way I see it, Alexander is filling in for Ayers, McCarthy for Dawkins/McBath. As soon as the starters are back I suspect they will go back to PS. I don’t know how long Dawkins and McBath are likely to be out, but reports on Ayers were saying ~6 weeks
They should both see time on ST as well as D in the meantime, and I hope they make an impression on the coaching staff and secure their futures here beyond this season.
I also doubt we reverse the Batiste decision, we still have 9 OL as it stands Clark is listed at LT and Batiste was behind Beadles at RT. We probably bring back Brown, but I doubt both.
I hope Batiste never comes back here. He sucks.
I can see both Alexander and McCarthy staying on the team. Only thing stopping that is if a RB gets injured. Then 1 will prob get cut so we bring back Brown or promote Lance Ball.
It’s not like Brown and Batiste were doing anything for this team. Alexander and McCarthy can at least play special teams.
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I agree. We could use a boost to the ST and it wasn’t going to come from Brown or Batiste.
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The way I see it
Alexander and McCarthy should have been on the team as soon as the Jags had their ST TD.
Get players like Decker off the ST and put players who have actually played ST on the field like McCarthy.
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I’d love to see us use Decker at WR, but not sure how.
Do you know if Gaff is a FA after this season? At this rate, we’ll have to resign Lloyd. He is playing like an All-Pro. Instead of spending $10MM on Marshall, we’ll have to spend $8MM per year to keep Lloyd.
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Well
if Demayrius keeps taking shots like he did last game, Decker will get his shot soon.
We signed Gaff to a 4 year deal. So he has 2 more years I believe.
I don’t think Lloyd will ask for that much. He hasn’t been this productive ever. A big part of that is because he has chemistry with Orton and thriving in McD’s offense.
I think we sign him for 6MM per year.
or we can franchise him and sell him for while his stock is high.
Just sayin.
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I’m sure his agent will ask for as much as Lloyd can get. If he keeps up his current antics, he’ll be an All-Pro and All-Pros don’t sign for $6MM in their contract year.
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I don't see him getting a huge contract
when we have such a deep WR core.
Gaffney, Royal, Demayrius, Decker, and Willis will be under contract in 2012.
I would have no problem trading an “All Pro” like Lloyd for a 2nd round pick and go into 2012 with Decker inserted into Lloyd’s spot.
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This team can't succeed by cycling out the talent every season
That forms no chemistry, there’s no unity, and players see no reason to get attached if they know they are going to be traded as soon as they succeed.
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He just signed a 2 year extension at the start of this season I thought.
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And I want to keep him
But those here who are always talking “trade high” are going to leave us a very young, and very inexperienced team, one that has shipped all it’s talent out. And I’m not just talking Cutler, if we trade Orton and Lloyd in the next two seasons, Gaff will likely be gone as well, and who knows how long our defense remains what it is.
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Assuming Lloyd's production continues
then he is a 1 year wonder.
He has been infamous for being strong in pre seasons, but failing in the regular season.
It seems that this year, he realized the regular season actually counts.
You want to pay Lloyd 8 Million a year after 1 good year? I don’t. Not with the amount of talent we have in our WR corps.
If Lloyd asks for that much, I would franchise and trade him. It will be Demayrius’ 2nd year so he will be asked to do a lot more.
We didn’t draft Demayrius Thomas for him to sit behind Brandon Lloyd.
Now, if Lloyd asks for something like 6 MM a year then by all means, sign him. But i’m not prepared to sign Lloyd (29 years old) to a multi year extension at 8 million a year.
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You are mistaken, we don't even need to be having this conversation
Because he’s under contract till the end of 2011, so why are we having this conversation? And yes we did draft Thomas to sit behind Lloyd just like we draft Tebow to sit behind Orton, since Thomas’s return, Lloyd’s targets have gone up and Thomas’s have dropped since that first game he played in.
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We don't have to talk about this
but you’re prepared to sign Brandon Lloyd to a multi year deal at 8 MM a yer?
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No, but if he does it again in 2011, I will
But we don’t have too, so who cares.
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Alright, I agree with that
if he puts together 2 years of pro bowl seasons then by all means, lets sign the guy.
But I’m not ready after 1 season. That’s all I was saying.
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Hooray
special teams studs! They win games for you like my man crush, Cassius Vaughn! I guess bromance is the proper term
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 16, 2010 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Good cuts, bad PS promotion!
Adding Diryal Briggs wouldve been better….Alexander too raw, needs another year or 2. We should’ve added Antwan Barnes, but so much for common sense. McCarthy is ok, but he’ll go back to PS. Hope we don’t lose Brown as part of this shuffle!
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I havne't watched Briggs so idk
isn’t he an ILB?
There is prob a reason why we didn’t add antwan barnes. I just don’t know what it is.
I wouldn’t be too upset if we lost Brown. He doesn’t have much of a future here with Knowshon, Maroney, and LenDale all RB’s under 27 on the roster.
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I actually like the Alexander move
I thought he did a solid (if raw) job setting the edge in the run game in the preseason. He also, I thought, showed pretty good instincts blocking in the return game – and laid some licks on guys.
I don’t know a lot about any Briggs so can’t say much there.
I am interested to see McCarthy in a real game. I wasn’t too impressed by his preseason. He was adequate but I don’t remember him making any great plays.
Sorry Jonah that was a reply to Hogblog
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 16, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Why didn't they just put ayers on IR?
Isn’t his prognosis that he might be able to play 2 games at the end of the season?
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No
Originally it was thought to be a 2 months injury but it might be less.
I think Lindsay Jones said Ayers would be out 6 weeks or so.
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yep. Which is only 5 games since we have a bye in there.
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Which puts us right in the middle of league play.
We’ll definitely need him.
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ok thanks for clarifying
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My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
If Brown got cut over Maroney
That’s saying something.
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ew! that's a bad thought...
I guess Maroney can at least dance outside, but that’s not providing a bunch of good thoughts for this weekend…
No way we were going to cut Maroney
We swapped picks for this guy. To cut him over a PS player like Brown would be ludicrous.
No way we give up on him after a couple games. I think he will be in Denver for awhile. When we traded for him, McD said he didn’t want this to be just a 1 year rental. He wants to resign him.
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point well made
I was just thinking about how bad of a rep Maroney has gotten in the past few weeks. He is a dancer, but he can move outside the tackles quite well. I think he’ll be ok, but I also had higher hopes for Andre Brown, and the comparisons seem to hurt any hopes I had about him being a 3 yards, cloud of dust, thomas jones type.
People love to believe they have a sleeper
when 99% of the time that guy just isn’t anything more then a last resort lol
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lol +1
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Not a lot of opportunities last week
but Maroney did look better IMO. I can live with 4.5 YPC albeit only 6 carries. I could be mistaken but I don’t see our running game being that far away from getting over the hump.
Maybe I’m intoxicated with the Kool-aid
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 16, 2010 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you have had a little too much kool aid lol
I don’t see our running game picking up anytime soon.
But I do hope to see Maroney continue to be productive in limited carries.
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I bet we run close to 100 yards this week.
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What??
Boydy you have been down on our team since the Ravens game lol
Now you say we’re going to run for 100 yards?
Bold prediction against a beastly Jets defense.
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Yeah...they sucked against the Ravens, but what I saw out of the run game was better...they were moving the D line around.....the fact our defense got us in a hole meant we saw no more of it.
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"He wants to resign him."
You are depressing today.
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Just quoting what McD said when we got Maroney
whether we like it or not (most ppl will not), we will likely resign Maroney after the season is over.
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Why is the question
McD always says he will play, and sign, the best players, doing this would go against his stand.
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McD has seen Maroney play well in a NE offense
we will sign him to be a complimentary player.
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I don't care if they've played well in the past
If they don’t play well now, why keep them? At this point, he doesn’t compliment anyone, I’d take Buck, for catching and blocking skills, and Moreno over Maroney any day.
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It matters because we don't have the offensive line that NE had when he was productive
We need to fix the oline before we will see any sort of production from our RB’s.
Buckhalter is a fine back up but he is nearing the end of his career.
He has never stayed healthy and I don’t anticipate him staying healthy all of 2010, especially with the amount of injuries we have had. Buck will end up twisting an ankle or something and miss a couple games. It’s in his DNA.
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by Nick Cast on Oct 16, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you are saying you'll keep a guy
Whose the product of the system, a la Cassel, over a proven producer?
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McD is a system guy
He has turned Kyle Orton and Brandon Lloyd into pro bowl players.
He has also seen Maroney play well in the same system he is trying to create.
So, yes, I do think McD will sign Maroney because he will knows Maroney fits the system he is trying to run
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This system isn't the same one he ran in NE
I think this has been discussed already, just because someone played well in NE doesn’t make them an instant fit here, otherwise Maroney would be playing well. Lloyd has already played like a Pro Bowler at times, and I think it’s more Orton then McD that’s helping him play this well, cause he wasn’t that impressive last season. People succeed outside of McD’s system, it’s not a perfect system, otherwise we’d have more wins.
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Really?
I think it’s more Orten then McD that’s helping him play this well
You are saying Orton is having this pro bowl year just randomly? A light went off in his head and he is playing like a pro bowler?
You have to give credit where it’s due and McD has created a system that is QB friendly and Orton is reaping the benefits of it.
I’m tellin you if Orton was somewhere other then Denver right now he wouldn’t be having this type of year.
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probably true...but you dont know that. Orton has always been a Qb with big upside (regradless of what some our learned colleagues on here say).
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You don't know that it's not the system either though
I’m willing to be that if he goes to a different team, he isn’t near as successful.
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I'm going to have to agree with Nick here....
McD’s system is more tailored to Orton’s ability—-which is short accurate passes. It is similar to the system that he played (and excelled) in at Purdue.
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Right...like every system is suited to a particular quarterback. You dont know that Orton would not be good in another system either. It cuts both ways boys...thats my point....
how about we give credit where credit is due with out alwasy having provisos on why Orton is performing well. i never hear those same provisos for Brady, Brees, Vick, Rivers etc.
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So you're saying that
for some reason, Orton just woke up and was playing at a pro bowl level this year and that McD and his system have nothing to do with it?
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Shut up would ya...setriously, stop being such a smart arse...
He played well last year, and has kept developing. He was in the top half of QB’s last year.
I already agreed system has something to do with it. Read my fricking comments….
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I don't know why you're getting all upset
I have read you’re comments. You have been saying it wasn’t necessarily McD’s system that has Orton playing so well.
You said Orton has always had potential which pretty much implies that Orton’s abilities are what is making him play so well and not McD’s system.
I’m not being confrontational or anything. I’m not being a smart ass.
So chill man. We’re just having a friendly conversation. No need to get riled up about it.
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If it was all system, why didn't Orton do better last season?
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He came into a brand new system that is complicated
yet he had career highs in yards, TD’s, Completion percentage, and passer rating.
That’s not better?
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Yea, but according to you
System is everything, McD runs a good passing team, but Orton has progressed each season beyond his rookie season, don’t give all the credit to McD, though he deserves some.
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I never said "system is everything".
I think it’s a combination of McD’s offensive mind and Orton’s talents that have made Orton play so well.
I’m not saying system is everything, but I definitely think it plays a factor. I don’t believe it’s coincidence that Cassel thrived under McD and now Orton is.
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We have all said that...
Look Nick, take this advice for what its worth from an older dude to a young dude.
You like to argue like everything is black and white. It aint mate. Life is shades of grey, and as you get older, you will see and learn that.
For example, I agreed its part system, but from my point of view, you argument came across as SYSTEM only…thats a black and white view man. You gave very little, if any credit to Orton. I wonder would you do the same to Rivers, Brees etc al. My guess is probably not.
When you argue things as black and white, you come across as a smart ass. Trust me, we were all the same when younger…me, I just dont have the time or patience to deal with it, and I just wont do it any more. I am an older guy, dont need to deal with it. Had you have said what you did above, we have no problem.
You can take this advice for what it is. i like your passion, but not always how you present your arguments. You might think they are not confrontational or arrogant, but to me….and i am only speaking for me….thats the way they come across. And I personally will never take kindly to that.
Peace.
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Plus when a comment chain gets this long
It’s time to quit
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Actually
my biggest mistake was revealing my age to MHR because I’m really tired of when people have a problem with something I say, they revert to my age.
I’m young or I’m arrogant or I’ll learn when I’m older.
So because I believe McD’s system is benefitting Kyle Orton and I don’t believe Orton became a pro bowl QB all of a sudden it makes me arrogant or a smart ass?
I stated above that I do believe Orton is a good QB but I also believe McD’s system is helping him. So I don’t really see how that comes across as being arrogant. Arrogance is displaying an attitude of superiority and in all my time in MHR I have never displayed that attitude. I’ve always been open to all opinions and perceptions from day 1.
It’s a simple fix. If you have a problem with how I present my stuff then don’t read my stuff.
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I'm much older than you Nick
And I believe that if Orton was still in CHI, he would still be wallowing in mediocrity and competing with the likes of Rex Grossman for the starting job. McD’s system, plus his talent have made him the stud that he is today, and I believe MOST fans realize this. Just look at Cassell to see what a difference the system can make. But it’s certainly not an age/generational thing – other than maybe some of us old dogs being too stubborn to listen to your reason.
by CamboBronco on Oct 17, 2010 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow, you don't quite
It’s called progression, ask Brian about it, he has to keep proving it to you each season.
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Hm, I think Orton could be having a Pro Bowl year from skill
But that might be the crazy talking. All success on a team isn’t the coaches success and all the failure too. You can’t say all good things are McD and all bad things aren’t.
And I do think Orton with a good set of receivers is an above average quarterback, look how he’s doing with a piss poor line and a bunch of no names.
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I don't want to be argumentative
I just want to know where you see potential, cause NE’s system and fantastic line made Maroney look above average, but we run a different system, and we have a worse line.
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You're not being argumentative
I hope I don’t seem argumentative. I thought we were just having a friendly discussion.
I see potential in the coming years. I don’t see potential this year.
Moreno can’t seem to stay healthy. We have to adjust accordingly by having a #2 back who can step in and produce.
I don’t see Buckhalter as that guy because he is always injured.
Our #1 need this off season is an offensive line. It is clear by all the shuffling that we don’t have the right personnel. I anticipate we pick up a power Guard at some point who will take over for Daniels next year.
Once we get the right personnel, I think Maroney can be a good #2, but right now our offensive line is a mess. Maroney was drafted in the 1st round for a reason. He isn’t like the late round RB’s who came here and thrived in Shanny’s system. Maroney has talent.
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Couldn't agree more!
I anticipate we pick up a power Guard at some point who will take over for Daniels next year.
There is a guy over in New England called Logan Mankins, I say we make a move…
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There is a guy over at TCU
his name is Marcus Cannon.
We can draft him and save ourselves 7 million a year for 5 years.
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Sounds good to me.
I have not been paying to much attention to collegiate football as I would like. So I will trust your judgment. I consider you somewhat of an expert in this area. lol.
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Lol
yeah, I am one of MHR’s many scouts. Sayre and I love college football mostly because we love scouting potential Bronco players.
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I did my quick...
research of this kid, i would not mind getting him. He is projected to go in the 2nd round…..and we now have two 2nd rounders! (Thank you Miami!)
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"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
lol, Are you still high on Jake Locker?
I’m so glad to see that kid fail.
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Yes, I very much am.
Locker is an impressive prospect.
Unfortunately for him, he is stuck on a Washington team that is terrible. His offensive line is a joke and his WR aren’t NFL caliber.
If he was on Alabama, they would be a lock to go to the BCS Title game.
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Haha, well as you know...
There are personal reasons behind my hatred for Locker—-however, there is no denying his talent.
Back to Marcus Cannon, there more learn, the more I love….and there is a LOT to love about him. He is 6-foot-6 and 350 pounds! Wow!
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"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
He is everything McD looks for in a player
Tough, versatile. He plays Tackle for TCU, but will likely have to swing inside to Guard in the NFL, although they said the same thing about Beadles so maybe McD picks this guy up in hopes of using him as a RT.
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Maybe....
any other prospects worth noting?
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"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
lol
I got prospects from every position from all conferences.
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Nice, we should discuss this
in more detail some other time. For now can you give me your top 3 o-linemen?
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o lineman
I really like Cannon.
Stefen Wisniewski from Penn State is another. He is a player who can play both guard spots and center.
He is tough, quick, and is a smart player. He could come in and play guard as well as be back up center.
Lastly, my favorite olineman is Derrick Sherrod. He is the tackle from Miss State. He is a projected 1st round pick, but he might be worth it, especially if we let got of Harris this off season.
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6-6 is awful tall for a guard…
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by poorboywilly on Oct 16, 2010 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah...and have to put up with another rookie...NO THANKS!
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So I guess
That you would prefer to put up with another Prima Donna?
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Yeah...thats not going to one extreme end of the spectrum is it? Shit Dustin, I agreed with you.....
Sheesh, take a breath man.
Mankins would be a way better answer than having another rookie on the line…unless you are happy to keep the development aspect of the team going and not start building a winner.You need both FA’s and draft success….not an extreme of either.
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Yea, if he helps us win
Great coaches deal with big egos, ask Belicheck, ask Parcells, ask Shula and Walsh. If McD wants to have a long career, he’ll need to be able to do that.
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Tony Dungy and Sean Peyton didn't deal with big egos
when they won their superbowls.
just sayin.
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How many though?
Plus the Saints had plenty of Prima Donnas on their team, especially defense. Look at the coaches who win multiple SB’s, those who go to the Hall of Fame, those who are remembered decades afterward, those are the ones who can control their locker room. Joe Gibbs is the only coach I know who had sustain, continual success without any ego on his team. Dungy maybe, but Harrison, Saturday, James were all pretty egotistical. Dungy just kept it all in check.
You can have success without big ego players, but if a coach can deal with them, it’s much easier to succeed.
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Here, Here....hes 28 and has a LONG career ahead of him. I DONT want to go thru this with another rookie....been heart breaking watching "The 5 Stooges" play their version of O line this year.
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Harv Neptune.
what is this in response to?
I can’t figure it out lol
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To Dstin's comment on Mankins.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I agree with your comment
Except I lose all respect for it here
Maroney was drafted in the 1st round for a reason. He isn’t like the late round RB’s who came here and thrived in Shanny’s system. Maroney has talent.First round means nothing, Moreno was 1st round, Brady Quinn was first round, Leinart and Leaf were first round. Don’t use draft placement as a qualification.
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Round does matter
You don’t get drafted in the 1st round without displaying significant talent. That’s an undeniable fact.
Maroney being drafted in the 1st round means that he showed undeniable talent or he wouldn’t have been drafted that high by the Patriots years ago.
You can try and point out people like Quinn and Leinart and Leaf, but you are focusing on all the “busts” and not all the tons of other 1st round picks who actually succeeded.
Maroney has talent and potential. That’s all I was saying.
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There have been so many great players chosen late
And so many bad players chosen early, after two years in the league, no one cares what round you were drafted in, just how you’ve performed. Once your rookie contract expires, GM’s look at your play to determine your skill, potential and pay.
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I'm not disagreeing
All I’m saying is that you are drafted by potential and Maroney clearly flashed enough to be a 1st round pick.
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We've cut players we traded for
If you trust McD, you think he’ll play the best player, not the one he payed the highest price for. And if we do resign Maroney, I’m scared for our running game.
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We haven't cut player we traded for after a few games
Why would you be scared?
Maroney isn’t our #1.
He is the #2 behind Moreno and a #3 on goal line stands behind LenDale.
As long as we have Moreno and LenDale, you shouldn’t be scared.
Be scared if Lance Ball is our #2 RB.
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I doubt he'll be our goal line back
After the game where he couldn’t punch it in, Buck has taken most snaps near the goal line. I’d take Buck over Maroney any day, he can block, catch, and actually has vision to know where to cut. Maroney lacks burst, vision, and drive.
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I did a little bit of research
I found this amusing.
Darrius Heyward Bey is the 8th highest paid NFL player in 2010.
Tyson Jackson is 13th.
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