How long does program building take?

In all honesty, though, it’s different for different positions. Many quarterbacks claim that it takes for an offensive scheme to “click”, depending on the complexity. On the other hand, you could have a runningback come in and blow up the statbook in his rookie year. It all depends on the players you have and the complexity of the scheme you’re trying to introduce.

It seems like its a matter of buy in to me. So the conventional ‘time’ factor can be variable. If you have guys that get into the offseason workouts, and want to be better, it can be a relatively quick turnaround (1 – 2 years). But the age of the team has to have alot to do with it. If you have a veteran team with guys who’ve had a bunch of sucess under other systems, it might be harder to get through.

Where I work, we typically look for young, moldable, employees. This way we can implement the policy and tendancies we like. If you get an older more experienced employee, they have already figured out how to do many things their way. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks style.

If you have a young team (like we do) and some vets who buy in, you’re in luck.

I say based on how great the change that was needed – no discipline, total control of Shanahan, rebellious core, how many players cut that no one else wanted (35ish), how different the new scheme is, how well it was presented and received by Bowlen and Bowlen’s history of giving his coaches longer than most NFL teams – 5 years.

It was more of a coach than a player question, wasn’t it?

And then reposted them when I joined. The first talked about growth in the coaching position as time passes. The second talked about dynasties, and how they are formed. In the second one I attached a poll, and 78% of members here said 3-4 years. So around 2012 or 2013 at the latest. That would be if the coach is average or progressing. If each season gets respectively worse, it could be shorter. But one note, teams that build decade long success, Eagles, Pats and Colts this past decade, coaching stability is just one key, you need player stability. Teams that succeed long term have one or two QB’s a decade, they don’t drop a QB over one or two bad games. They keep defensive leaders, don’t ship them away. Stability is key, in coaching and player personnel.

in 2011 we shouild be AFC WEST fav if there is a senson let say KC wins the div i think Nexy year we play the AFC east let say BAIT wins the north and INDY wins the south well kc wouild play them insted of cle and buff let say den is 2 they wouild play pitt and HOU/TEN 3 wouild be ciny and TEN/HOU oh we wouild play the NFC North

But seriously, even if he doesn’t get us to the playoffs this year, he will have at least one more year to implement his system.

Some harp that he has to get to the playoffs this year, but I completely disagree. I think next year is the deciding year for McDaniels. If he doesn’t sniff the playoffs by then, then we are in trouble.

Coach Haley in KC recently said they are still building the foundation (in year 2). It would be interesting to get a coach to lay out, what that means, how long it should take, and what the next steps are, and how long the should take. Denver and KC are building the same way, so it should be a similar answer for either one of them.

4 year plan.

Why torment ourselves with irrational thinking? We’re REBUILDING a team! I remember the ones that said we weren’t rebuilding and THEY have been awfully quiet around here regarding it…It takes time to put the key positions together and the players to acclaimate with eachother…Be patient

Look, there is no more “rebuilding” programs, this is a win now league. Here is my guess, if the Chiefs make the playoffs this year and we don’t make the playoffs by next season, McDaniels will be gone next season. The only stat that means anything at the end of the day is wins and losses. He signed guys like Dawkins, Goodman, Jamaal Williams, Bannan, etc… to win now, not to “build a program”, this is an old team, outside of the O-line, it is pretty much vetren dominated. This team needs to win now or McDaniels will be looking for another job.

The idea, though, that Dawkins was brought in to server as a bridge until the younger guys stepped up isn’t logical in my mind. He doesn’t have much time left in the league and I bet he would prefer to do it with an organization that had a chance to get to and win a superbowl. I don’t see that in Denver in the next 2-3 years and I wonder if he privately regrets his choice to play in Denver.