FINAL: Oakland Raiders 59 - Denver Broncos 14; Worst. Loss. Ever.
by John Bena on Oct 24, 2010 5:36 PM MDT
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FINAL
| Category | Broncos | Raiders |
| Score | 14 | 59 |
| Rushing Yards |
17 car. 75 yards (4.4 ypc) | 52 car. 328 yards (6.3 ypc) |
| Passing Yards |
165 | 180 |
| Total Yards | 240 | 508 |
| 3rd Down Conversions | 2-11 | 6-13 |
| T.O.P | 21:20 | 38:40 |
| Turnovers |
3 | 0 |
Let me save all sides a bunch of time, effort and the possibility of banishment. This was an embarrassing loss today. No other way to say it. The blame lies with everyone in the building - no one is above fault in all this. The Broncos were out-classed by the Oakland Raiders in every facet of the game. It is the coaches job to get his players ready to play, yes. It is the players responsibility to play. Neither did their job and the final score was just the beginning on how one-sided this game was.
It seems fitting that the 100th meeting between the Broncos and Raiders be historical. Unfortunately for the Orange and Blue, all the history was made by the Silver and Black. 59 points were a team record for points scored in a game. That is a lot of history - a lot of really good teams. This Raiders team is not that, yet they did it.
A loss like this is unacceptable - just as it was in December of 2008 when the Broncos lost to the Chargers in San Diego 52-21 or 2007 when the Chargers embarrassed the Broncos in Denver 41-3. Even last season, it was the Chargers that crushed the Broncos 32-3. All embarrassing, but none felt like this. This one is the worst.
Yes, I am counting the 42-10 loss to the Redskins and 55-10 loss to the 49'ers in Super Bowls past. Yep, I'm talking about a playoff loss to an expansion team playing in its second season back in 1995 - my previous worst feeling. To me, this was worse than all of them. Coming off what I had deemed a 'season-killer' last week, the Broncos had two ways to go - fight or flight. They chose the wrong door.
Perhaps a trip to another continent is just what the Broncos need. Last season, the Tennessee Titans lost to the New England Patriots 59-0. They responded by finishing the season 8-2. Will that happen with this team? Not by what I saw today. At home. Against the Raiders of all teams.
The point? Forget all the debating, all the arguing over the next several hours, days, weeks, etc. This game was an embarrassment by everyone who works for Pat Bowlen. No one is above ridicule and frankly it is deserved.
There are 9 game left in the 2010 season, and for the first time I think several members of the organization are working/playing for their jobs. You just cannot lose to a mediocre team - a mediocre RAIDERS TEAM - by 45 points in your building when the game meant so much. I don't call for people's jobs, I don't resort to name calling. I call it like I see it, and today I saw a team that is beleaguered by injuries, yes, but also completely unprepared to play football.
That is unacceptable.
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Sigh....For my under review should I just post the entire game?
You can tune a piano but you cant tune a fish
Perhaps you could review turnovers.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
How about preparation?
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
you know what I would like to see?
Just for fun mind you. HAHAHAHAHAAH. FUN.
I would like to see all the fumbles/drops from both teams, back to back, in a reapeating loop. there must have been about fifty of them. It was like the pigskin was actually still part of a pig. A greased one.
Great perils have this beauty, that they bring to light the fraternity of strangers.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 24, 2010 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions
You call that fun? lol
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
I'm
disappointed. I’ll watch the film but we got destroyed by the FAIDERS. That’s unacceptable. Well, I won’t be talking junk to anyone this week but I’ll sure take a lot of it
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Oct 24, 2010 5:39 PM MDT reply actions
same.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
I concur in judgment.
Nothing else to add. You articulated it so well.
"I think if you struggle to run the football and stop the run, that's a double whammy ... The line of scrimmage is where a lot of games are won and lost, no question. And when we lost the line of scrimmage on both sides, it usually wasn't a good formula for us." – Denver Broncos Head Coach, Josh McDaniels
This whole game was a disgrace, the Denver Broncos players and coaches should donate their game checks this week to charity, they did not play or coach well enough to be paid. If I was to perform this way at my job I would have been fired!!!! Pat Bowlen, Xanders, Ellis and McDanieals better do something about this, A pathetic effort by a team that in my opinion quit on the game and quit on the fans. "Professionals" should be expected to play better!!!
by David.Mandarich on Oct 24, 2010 5:41 PM MDT reply actions 10 recs
Agree and Disagree
I won’t throw wink under the bus, I had to listen to the first qtr plus on radio and from the accounts of Dave Logan and Brian Griese the players “didn’t make it to the stadium”. Anyway Wink’s side of the ball by far and a way has the most injuries down 4 starters counting Dumerville, that’s pretty darn short handed! Either way everyone is to blame and I don’t think anyone earned their paychecks this week.
All of a sudden I’m wondering has McD “Lost the team”? Are we really this far behind talent wise? Questions I don’t have answers for that’s for sure.
In some ways I agree...
….but I’d hate to see another D coordinator be the whipping boy and get fired. Plus, the players apparently like playing for Wink (see DJ Williams comments today in the Post).
by Gristle McThornbody on Oct 24, 2010 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions
We left the game at halftime
broncos fans fighting each other, broncos fans fighting raiders fans, people getting arrested and escorted out left and right.
It was pretty pathetic, oh wait, then there’s the action that took place on the field. Unbelievable that this team would show up w/ absolutely no heart, drive, or determination to try and win this game.
Did the TV show McDaniels on the sideline during the 1st or 2nd quarter? We noticed in the stands that McD was standing by himself both quarters and not talking to anybody. Not the coaches and not the players. I was listening to 850 KOA and they picked it up on it too and and mentioned that McDaniels was isolated and not talking to a soul.
Anyways, a truly embarrassing game. I want my money back Bowlen/McD/Xanders…… all the fans who paid for this game should get reimbursed out of the players and coaches pocket.
Fortunately, I leave on Weds to go to London for a week. Unfortunately, we’ll be seeing the Broncos at Wembley…
by Bustafluff on Oct 24, 2010 5:41 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
you know...I'm still envious of you.
I would still love to be in Wembley to watch my beaten, bruised and pathetic Broncos. It’s still something to get excited for…if the game goes bad, you still have a great trip in London!
"They are who we thought they were!"
by gcman on Oct 24, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
tickets
Do you want to buy my tickets? For real. I don’t have the heart, stomach or money for this shit.
by Dixie Donkey on Oct 24, 2010 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
you kidding me...
not a chance!….kidding…kidding. Seriously tho…airline tickets would be brutal to buy at this point!
"They are who we thought they were!"
Too bad I have to stay home, but normally, I would
I’m disappointed in your attitude. Spoken like a true bandwagon fan.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Just Great
I’m going to my 1st Broncos game in Denver vs KC in a couple of weeks & just got my tickets in the mail.
I hope they play better against the Chefs
Talk is for Losers and Fools.
by Victim of Love on Oct 24, 2010 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll be there also
Make one trip a year, and the KC game is it. Told my wife we should be thankful we weren’t there today. Good news is shouldn’t be any worse than it was today.
all I care about at this point...
is how the team responds to this humiliating event next week…and how they respond after the bye. Those two games will tell us all we need to know about who the Broncos are.
"They are who we thought they were!"
I said this week we would know all we needed to know after this raiders game.
I think we know all we need to know.
But we still have a slim chance to go 11-5. GO BRONCOS!!!!!
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Either way, this game will be put in perspective and ultimately, win or lose, will not mean nearly as much as all of us waking up in the morning, taking a deep breath, appreciating what we have and living our lives for as long as we are given the gift of life." - KentuckyBronco
by HarvJNep2n on Oct 24, 2010 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We've seen all we need to know.
Broncs are done. 2, 3 more wins this year, tops. I guarantee it.
by Gristle McThornbody on Oct 24, 2010 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I would pipe in with something, but like the rest of the Broncos Nation
I am speechless!
by isaiahkyler on Oct 24, 2010 5:42 PM MDT reply actions 4 recs
This.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Same here
Disappointed and speechless
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 24, 2010 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions
You mean Broncos Country
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Well Said John
and enough said. I imagine at this point even Josh McDaniels thinks his job is on the line. My big fear is the same thing I said last week- will the locker room adopt the “loserville” attitude saying the usual blah blah blah to the media and secretly plotting their exits. It could take years before that problem could be corrected.
I bet Champ is thanking his lucky stars now that Bowlen withdrew the bid.
by John in Castle Rock on Oct 24, 2010 5:42 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
the way our guys played today
who cares if they jump ship, it’s not exactly like they’re winning or anything.
Not the worst ever
Really, the 55-10 joke of a Super Bowl, the loss to the Jags, both hurt MUCH more. This isn’t even the worst Raiders loss ever. I will never forget when we were on a huge losing streak and went to OT, had the first possession and the Great Elway threw a bad pick which led to a Raider FG.
That being said, I think McDaniels is safe for now. Not so sure about our coordinators or any player on this team. The reason I think McD is safe even if we go 0-9…ouch…the rest of the way is simple. Our owner doesn’t like to change head coaches. He will give him the 4 years and we will see if he can figure it out.
Here is my thought. They bought in to the hype. Some from their coaching staff, and came out and just expected to do whatever they wanted. The veterans should have known better, and the COACHES should have known better. Any team, any Sunday can win. The gap between the top and bottom in the NFL is not that big.
Now the coach who is 4 months older than me has a chance to show what he is made of. They better go out and win in London. And do it the way they should have today. Beat the hell out of the sad sack 49ers. They WILL show up ready to play. If they fail that or lay another turd like this one then I will willingly start screaming for the entire coaching staff’s head. Immediately.
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by Arimaris on Oct 24, 2010 5:45 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
If the Broncos go into
any game the rest of the season feeling they only have to show up to win, the whole damned team should be fired.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
They better go out and win in London. And do it the way they should have today. Beat the hell out of the sad sack 49ers.
Funny, we just spent the whole week saying that about the sorry Raiders.
Please know I am not mocking your post, in fact I understand where you’re coming from. But the problem is, based on how they’ve played since week 4, it is tough to tell even if desire will be enough in London.
You have to admit that it is possible that the injuries and lack of veteran leadership on the field are catching up with them.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I don't see that as mocking
That is where it came from. The Raiders are not a good team. They are a bunch of talented players who show up at the same time. Today we just assumed that they would keep on not playing together at all. And by “we” I include the entire Broncos franchise including the coaches.
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Since mid-season last year, the Broncos have been losing to bad teams
That is on the coaching staff – all of them, including the top guy.
John, PLEASE do an MHR radio tonight. We need a place to vent before we explode.
魏 多福
-:Broncos season ticket holder:-
probably not a good idea tonight
"They are who we thought they were!"
by gcman on Oct 24, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would love an MHR radio tonight
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 24, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
its all about 11
we have to finesh stong in 10 to build for 11 6-3 is a good goal to shoot for
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
yeah
look we are even with SF KC and SD might take us for granted players not fans STL is not a great road team @OAK REVNGE maybe @zona rook QB hou good/or badhou
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
After today's game
being totally owned by a team we all thought was a given (don’t know why we always think that way) there is no team left on our schedule that I believe we should count as a win.
All the so called loser teams today played as if they were getting better except for us. With a game of this importance and us coming out like this at home tells me now we are looking at maybe 4 or 5 wins if that.
I hope I am wrong but at this point 2 more wins would look like a dream
I don't have the words...
The defence came out looking alright, until that Zack Millar touchdown. It was a steep downhill from there.
I was hopin g MCD
Was for real and mabye considered a defender, but today was to much. I was thrown over the edge. I must admit, I won’t be disappointed if he was fired.
I hate to say it
but I’m starting to agree with this line of thinking. I had such high hopes and in all honesty I’ve not seen any progress in 1.5 years.
I have been one of the most avid McD supporters out there
almost blindly, to a point. The whole time I have seen things that worried me – revamping the D with aging band aids instead of young talent (especially on the D-Line), seeing our O-Line and running game regress into nothingness, super predictable playcalling, questionable personel moves (not Cutler/Marshall, glad they’re gone). This is the first time I’ve been bold enough to say it, “Is McD the real deal?” I just don’t know anymore.
McD just had is waterloo
He will be judged this season solely on this game byu most fans. For me, he’ll be judged by what happens next.
The wheels have fallen off. 2-5 and Denver very well could be 1-6. We’ve been a average to below average team for some time and at some point, the other shoe drops.
I have been a STAUNCH McDaniels supporter. I still support him. But he needs to prove to me that he belongs as a head coach in the NFL before he gets to coach here next year.
I understand why he didn’t play Tebow – but I think most coaches in the NFL would have at least given Tebow a crack in the 3rd quarter or even 4th quarter.
I never of the belief that any coach owes explanations to anyone other than his team, however I feel like McD needs to explain himself.
The Borncos have been bad since 2006. Funny thing is they’ve been pretty good for a bad team. Maybe now they’re pretty bad for a bad team.
D was bad from the start. O looked bad from the start. Both the General Manger and Coach are to blame, unfortunately for McD, he wears both hats.
I hope he can get this ship righted. And I’m not even talking playoffs anymore. I just want to see Denver win the games they are supposed to. But we’re not there today.
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by super7 on Oct 24, 2010 5:53 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he can turn it around.
We don’t have enough talent on the field and he is not a good enough coach to utilize what talent we do have.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
you feel just like I do, thanks for sharing
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 24, 2010 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I would love to see McD
give a speech to the fans like Tebow did at Florida their 2nd National Championship year. Tell me that no one will work/prepare harder than you and then maybe I’ll believe again.
I would also like to see Bowlen
stop being fooled by Head Coaches who want complete control. Shanny and McD have both burned us there. So far McX doesn’t exactly look like a well oiled machine at GM. I would love to see Bowlen get a true GM, like Pioli, to run things. I’m starting to think McD is too young for all these roles.
I am not seeing enough time to prove this
Shanny had 10 years to show how bad he was at finding talent. He kept convincing himself he was such a good coach he could plug in players who just weren’t quite good enough and they would play out of their mind.
I also wonder if we assume McD has the control or if it is a setup like they had in New England where Pioli and Bilechiek (sp, not caring to look it up) just decided on what kind of player they wanted.
Or is it that we all assume Tebow is his pick? That could be possible that our GM DID allow him to make that pick.
Really, we need time more than anything else to prove or disprove this. If in two seasons the 2010 draft doesn’t pan out like it seems to be doing so far. Four current/future starters in Cox, Thomas, Beadles and Walton. Two other likely contributors and maybe starters in Thompson and Vaughn and two question marks with a LOT of potential in Tebow and Decker. That is a hell of a draft when they had time to prepare. Even if 50% of that batch fail that beats most drafts from ANY Shanahan and talking head team.
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Hes lost my support. Today was unforgiveable. only good news is we will be guarenteed a Top 5 pick in the draft...Hope Gruden will use those picks well.....the Josh McDaniels experiment should be done!....and I was a HUGE fan!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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Harv Neptune.
Relax boydy
Let’s say the division can be won with an 8-8 record and the Broncos make it to the divisional round, will you call for massive changes?
We still have 5 games left in the division. Yes it looks bad right now, but now is not the time to jump off a bridge.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I am happy for McD to have another year...but he needs to win me back.....but anyone has to admit he was over matched and drowning out there....If I was the owner I would be spewing!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Nice post. I agree for the most part.
I have been a STAUNCH McDaniels supporter. I still support him. But he needs to prove to me that he belongs as a head coach in the NFL before he gets to coach here next year.
I also still support him. But he’ll absolutely be the coach here next year. No bones about it. However……I suspect if he allows any more games next year (speaking as though there’ll even be football, of course), then it’s quite possible he wouldn’t get that 4th year. In fact, in his 3rd year, I’ll go as far to say that if the team is not, oh, say 10-6 – a demonstrably better team – then he should be let go. 8-8 in his 3rd year won’t even cut it.
With all that said, though, there’s the dilemma of how many times will Bowlen keep changing regimes and start over? Would that be beneficial? Then we’d be looking at another 2-3 years of learning curve with new coaches, scheme, etc.
I understand why he didn’t play Tebow – but I think most coaches in the NFL would have at least given Tebow a crack in the 3rd quarter or even 4th quarter.
During the game I was mad and kept calling for Tebow, but after a good session in the gym I’ve cooled off and am glad McD had the poise to not put him in. It would of done no good. It would of only ignited a QB controversy. Tim’s not ready and the whole team didn’t give a crap about winning anyway so what would be the point?
by Gristle McThornbody on Oct 24, 2010 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Same here!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
I was there, with my daughter, and my first game in several years. They didn’t even look like a pro team. I have absolutely no confidence in Josh McDaniels at this point. I was so happy to see Shanny go and had such great hopes for McD. I don’t see how the coaches have any confidence in themselves or the head coach at this point. I can’t believe Bowlen didn’t hear the level of boos today and he must feel as though he picked the wrong guy. How could he not?
couple of things...
1…I wasn’t happy to see Shanny go, but I understood why and was ready to see where we could go from there. It seemed to me at that point…pick a defensive genius and allow our young offense to continue to gel. Unfortunately, we didn’t pick a defensive guy…and blew up the offense as well as the defense. Our next 2 drafts have been heavily offense oriented so I can’t say I’m surprised at how our defense is right now.
2…We are sticking with McD for better or worse for the next 2 years at least. It seems Bowlen has gotten pretty thrifty as of late and I’m sure he isn’t about to be on the hook for another coach if he can help it.
That said, I would love a run a Cowher if pigs did indeed fly, hell froze over, and Bowlen fires McD,
"They are who we thought they were!"
by gcman on Oct 24, 2010 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would love to get Cowher....
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
by Dustin Maul on Oct 24, 2010 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want Gruden...great relationship with Tebow...understands the HATRED in the AFC West and games like that would ever happen OR be accepted.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I don't know about Grudes
but If McD is fired, I hope the next coach gives Tebow a fair shot. I would hate to see him shipped to Buffalo.
I honestly would not mind Gruden either.
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
It seemed to me at that point…pick a defensive genius and allow our young offense to continue to gel. Unfortunately, we didn’t pick a defensive guy…and blew up the offense as well as the defense.
If Bowlen had hired a defensive coach, the offense probably would’ve regressed. See Lovie Smith, Wade Phillips, Romeo Crennel, Mike Singletary. Defenisive minded coaches tend to be conservative and rely on the run to a fault. Dallas may be an exception, but not by much.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
My feelings exactly too
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 24, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm gonna make a ning account and rant for a few if anyone wants to come listen in. :)
27--29--11 May all your spirits rest in peace.
Some people are ridiculous. MHR is supposed to be a place where we come together as fans and mourn a loss like today’s. Instead we have people dividing the fan base immediately after a loss, calling out McD fans, calling for McD’s head etc. Not that we shouldn’t discuss the outcome of the game, but an outsider wouldn’t be able to tell that we cheer for the same team by looking at some of these posts.
by mgrade on Oct 24, 2010 5:59 PM MDT reply actions 4 recs
really I thought you were supossed to question the coach after a huge blowout at home to a division rival,
I thought that was what real fans did.
I didn’t say you couldn’t question the coach. I was referring to making stupid “didn’t I tell everyone he should be fired” comments as being pointless. I don’t disagree that blame rests on McD’s shoulders, but to call for his head doesn’t help this team whatsoever right now, and to call out other fans who support him right after a loss is stupid.
you're right, man
i just think a lot of folks are steamed therefore flying off the handle with comments, myself included.
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
Well said
I am angry right now, but will bite my tongue, as this is a part of the growing pains in the transition. If the team was healthy, I would question preparation. Since the team is decimated and missing key people, yes it is possible there was a lack of discipline which comes down from the coach, but let’s not go over a cliff claiming the coaches need to be fired. (Unless it’s Mike Preifer.)
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I cannot hold my tongue any longer
I cannot accept injuries as a key or major part of this loss. Last week the team had the same players injured and lost in a close heart wrenching game to a team many people believe are going to win the super bowl. To come out with the same team and lose to the Raiders 59 – 14 is completely unacceptable and I have at this point lost faith in Josh McDaniels. Do not read this the wrong way I have faith in the Broncos but not Josh McDaniels anymore, he must earn is back and at this point and I don’t see that happening. Granted I am still living in Prague for the semester and I can’t really watch as much of the games, but I still get enough to get a pretty good idea of the games. I can’t justify giving McD another year at coaching if we go below 8 – 8. We had one of the best offenses in the league 2 years ago and probably would have made the playoffs if it hadn’t of been for that freak string of injuries to the rb corps. In 2 years McD should of had this team moving in the right direction. However, the rest of the league quickly figured out McD’s predictable play calling and the Broncos have gone 4 – 11 since starting 6 – 0. I believe that if the broncos continue to go backwards and Bowlen keeps McD around that I would have to start making comparisons to Al Davis. I’m sorry if don’t like the comparison, but I cannot justify keeping a coach around for another season if all he has done is gone backwards and to not rectify the problem is just a bad. Please McDaniels prove me wrong and show us again why many had faith in you early in your career as a Bronco
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by BroncoFaithful on Oct 25, 2010 2:34 AM MDT up reply actions
excuse me 4 - 13. Even better :/
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by BroncoFaithful on Oct 25, 2010 2:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I had a feeling about talking 2011 draft last week put a
black cloud over Denver. BTW if drafting today we would have #6, 38, 45(Miami’s) and 70
in the first three rounds.
my first mock will be released this week.
just as i promised.
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"I'm really not this fat. I'm looking at myself on the screen and that 14 looks huge. Jeez dude, do a sit up." -John "Guru" Bena
We better get ready
As it stands now we are looking at a top 10 pick!! Thanks alot McD!!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Really?
2-5 is not that bad?? Please, explain.
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Forget 2-5
Allowing THIS Raiders team to put up FRANCHISE RECORDS in OUR HOUSE? I think that’s every bit as bad as it appears.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth
by ncm42 on Oct 24, 2010 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
this.
it goes along with my favorite quote from my second favorite movie ever, blow.
sometimes you’re flush and sometimes you’re bust and when you’re up, you never think you’ll be down again and when you’re down, you never think you’ll be up but life goes on.
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
by grind_core on Oct 24, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I respectfully disagree.
It is as bad or worse than it seems.
I enjoyed the animosity Shanahan brought to the team playing the Raiders. I loved the rivalry.
This putrid who cares attitude we saw today is a deep embarrassment to our team and its history. If you ask anyone here I have always supported McDaniels and his coaching staff but you cannot argue one fact 4-13 in the last 17 games. 4-13……….say that a few times and tell me its not as bad as it seems.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 24, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
If THIS team had the passion of the fans on this board we would NEVER be questioning the heart of this team. I welcome the passion here...at least we give 2 craps.....obviosuly our guys did not, or do not, care!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
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I have a feeling this weeks review film is gonna consist of one photo played in a slideshow over and over again.
27--29--11 May all your spirits rest in peace.
by Joe Medina on Oct 24, 2010 6:00 PM MDT reply actions 7 recs
I feel his pain
Why is he wearing socks?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I hate missing a game regardless of the outcome, but i guess this was a good one to miss… I’m disgusted with what I heard on the radio broadcast and can’t believe this team lost all heart and gave up in a game that should have at the very least been close… I’m a fan and I will choose to put this one behind me and leave the afc champ loss to jax at the top of my list. Here’s to no knee jerk reactions and a totally different positive team next week. No lip service just do your jobs.
"And on the 8th day, God created Tim Tebow. And He saw that it was good. And He said, "I can now retire. Go forth and make Touchdowns through Running and Passing."
-Harvey J. Neptune
by JALefor on Oct 24, 2010 6:02 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Well said John.....
there are no more excuses now.
fader nation is a conquered nation
Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!
CHICAGO...Where Quaterbacks' careers go to die!
No more excuses?
Never say never.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10-13. He holds a career .435 winning percentage. His team has lost 13 of its last 17 games. I don't drink Kool-Aid that tastes like piss. You sure you want to?
i know i have no more excuses.....
this team is not good at all
after 10/24/10, fader nation is not a conquered nation
Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!
CHICAGO...Where Quaterbacks' careers go to die!
Look around on this post and certainly other posts.....
…..the excuses are out there.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Let's see how the team does after the bye
We do have 5 more division games to play.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Guh..The Chiefs are leading the division.The Chargers suck, the Raiders suck and the Broncos are sucking wind right now.
Even if by some miracle we win the division, I don’t wanna even think about what the Patriots or the Colts or most likely the Ravens would do to us or any AFC West team.
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I dont have the words.
This team as a whole just let me down to the point that i dont know if i can stomach watching them again. It wont happen but in my 24 some on years of watching them that is the only time those words have come out of my mouth
"just win Baby"....... unless you draft jamarcus russell
I don't get it
The tv shots of McDaniels made him look out of his element, like someone who just realized he forgot to put on his pants or something. That’s the first time I’ve seen him look like that, like he just couldn’t deal.
I honestly don’t understand the rest of the players letting him down like that. The turnovers didn’t account for the score differential, neither did the extra mistakes you might make from being down a few scores. There was no possible scenario that the team that hit the field for warmups was going to win this game.
I don’t get it. What the hell happened this week during practice?
Anyway… I said we could start worrying at 3-5, or worse, 2-6. If this team couldn’t bounce back from 14-0 or 21-0 – at least to be competitive from that point forward – then I don’t know if they’ll find the stones to bounce back from 2-5.
"hen I don’t know if they’ll find the stones to bounce back from 2-5."
Totally agree
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 24, 2010 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree
I saw that look on his face in each of the games that we have lost this season. It is really nothing new. As a matter of fact, it is becoming a pattern, where winning the MF game type of sideline speech simply won’t cut it any more.
I don’t know what it means exactly, but it is not bewilderment. It was as if he saw what he was afraid he’d see since the beginning of the year. It’s as if he knew this whole week that this could happen against the Raiders, and it did.
Perhaps that is why he was praising Oakland so much in the interviews?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Agreed
it wasn’t bewilderment, it was more like stoicism. You know it isn’t getting any easier, but what good is talking going to do you? That first 4 minutes of the game basically put them in position to have to play perfectly for the rest of the game. Not just ok, but perfect. And with every play that was just ok, what can you do.
It would have made more sense to me if he had been laughing hysterically, but the emotionless tack is probably teh better one to take.
Great perils have this beauty, that they bring to light the fraternity of strangers.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 24, 2010 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
stoicism |ˈstō-iˌsizəm| noun
1 the endurance of pain or hardship without a display of feelings and without complaint.
I had to look that up
well put, john.
sports is a crapshoot entertainment-wise, but honestly, that’s one time where the players and coaches ought to pool their money together and mail out 76,000 refund checks included with apology letters. tebow might want to break out his famous speech about how this will never happen again. man, what a PIECE.
Un Pre Pared
Raiders at home is the one game that I judge a season by… yes 1-15… okay, at least we beat the Raiders at home.
Yeah… not.
I hope that no one in the organization says that they will try to forget this and move on. I hope no one in the organization ever forgets this humiliation.
-————-
Serious question though – Why wasn’t Tebow put in even in 4Q garbage time? What’s it say about his current level of development?
maybe it says that...
McD really only wants to use him in the gimmicky Wildcat…as a way to try and placate a fanbase that has been questioning him.
"They are who we thought they were!"
What would be the purpose of bringing him in?
If I remember correctly, yes it was a blurr, I believe we were inside our own 10 and even worse our own 5 to start most of the drives in the 4th qtr.
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions
here is the purpose...
after being down by such a drastic amount, there is no way that God himself could have engineered a comeback in the 4th…so why risk getting the guy (who everyone on this blog says is the most important Bronco this season…the Bronco who if he got hurt would devestate ANY chance to go to the playoffs) hurt? Also, why not get the guy that we gave up a few draft picks and moved back up in to the first round to get…why not get him some legitimate playing time under center to see what he has? Not to try and engineer a comeback but to get him some much needed experience.
I think, IMHO, that McD didn’t want to risk having any sort of controversy blow up if Tebow played halfway decent. I’m not advocating that Tebow be the starter…but maybe McD was playing cautious because what could have happened in Broncoland if he did put in TT. I dont know…
"They are who we thought they were!"
by gcman on Oct 24, 2010 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I kind of find those garbage excuses. As a former HUGE fan or Kyle Orton, today proved he just cant bounce back from bad starts or lift a team...
I ahd so much faith in KO and McD and today was the end of it.
We are a 4-12 team….we might as well think of the DEVELOPMENT of our team and thats play our young guys, let them take their licks and start a fesh next season. Makes sense to me. Tebow, Decker and Thomas need to play…and need to start.
Enough with this fallacy we are a play off team…..we are a bottom dweller so lets start playing for the future!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
We are not 45 points worse than Oakland, but
we were 100% unprepared. I feel like we are the team that had the Jets beat last week and not this team. This game is the result of a few bad plays at the beginning, followed by everyone giving up.
The only fortunate thing at this point is that we play in the worst division in the NFL. 9-7 could very well win the AFC West. If we can somehow win next week, get healthy over the bye week and beat KC, we could be within a game of first place.
We had very little margin for error before the season and now we have none.
I'm sorry
But we ARE 45 points worse than Oakland. The scoreboard proves it.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
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by ncm42 on Oct 24, 2010 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Teams that give up
are as bad as the scoreboard says they are. They’re that bad until or unless they show some stones.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
I agree. Heartless, inconsistent, stupid football team with a HUGE lack of basic fundamental football skills....in a nutshell.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
we gave up
so how does than not make us worse than the raiders by 45 points? If anything we should add more points to thier win just for quiting…. We are every bit of 45 points worse than the raiders.
Hey, I'm pissed as anyone, well maybe not anyone
But I’m pissed, but we need to sit back, look at history, this has happened before, even to the best coaches.
I just want to say that McD has flaws, like I’ve said before, and I’ve been called a troll for calling him out, but every coach has bad games. Walsh lost 59 to 14, worse then we did in 1980. Shula had 42-27 in 1965, 28-0 and then the next week 35-0 in 1970, Dungy also lost to the Raiders in 1999 45-0, then in 2006 44-17. These are just a few examples. Great coaches have bad games, really bad games sometimes. McD deserves blame for sure, and I’m pissed, but there have been loses like this to great coaches, if they’d been fired to early, imagine what might have happened in the NFL.
McD is struggle this season, and there’s blame all around, but before calling for him to be fired, look at history.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 24, 2010 6:10 PM MDT reply actions 7 recs
Great point, maxwell
Mike Shanahan lost 52-21 at San Diego in 2008, 38-3 at home against San Diego in 2007, and 44-7 at Detroit in 2007 along with playoff blowouts at Indianapolis in the 2003 and 2004 seasons. It’s still no excuse for what happened today. The Broncos got busted badly at home to a mediocre football team with a bad quarterback. The Broncos are a difficult bunch to figure out. One week, they play with a ton of heart and physicality, and the next, they are lifeless and very underwhelming. It’s frustrating and demoralizing as a fan.
"I think if you struggle to run the football and stop the run, that's a double whammy ... The line of scrimmage is where a lot of games are won and lost, no question. And when we lost the line of scrimmage on both sides, it usually wasn't a good formula for us." – Denver Broncos Head Coach, Josh McDaniels
Come next week if we win
This will die down a lot.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
We absolutely have to win next week
Can’t go into the bye week after losing 4 straight. Last year the bye week 100% deflated us. This season seems the opposite, so maybe it will turn us around.
We absolutely had to win this game and we lost at home by 45. For this team and this coach, there is no such thing as a must win.
Josh McDaniel's Broncos are 10-13. He holds a career .435 winning percentage. His team has lost 13 of its last 17 games. I don't drink Kool-Aid that tastes like piss. You sure you want to?
it would only mean we're 5-13 after a 6-0 start dating to last year
Say hello to my fast...
by dcrespo7 on Oct 25, 2010 12:23 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Easy to look back on the careers of great coaches, and hopefully someday
we will do the same with McD. Right now however, I will gladly settle for Josh to grow into a good NFL coach/GM. This is his team and coaching staff. The honeymoon is over, and the buck stops with McDaniels.
I feel McD hasn't done well this whole season
But imagine what would have been missed by the Dolphins if they fired a still recently hired HC Shula, who had been average up to that point, no perfect season. Dungy being fired in 1999, no Colts dynasty in the 2000’s. Reactionary owners don’t have successful teams.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I agree, but McD is younger and is GM(for the most part). Maybe ownership
relieves some of his responsibilities. They could hire a guy like Parcells to oversee what Josh is doing.
by rocko1 on Oct 24, 2010 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
If most owners were reactionary
then they’d have much in common with knee-jerk fans. Which would result in fielding bad teams, year in and year out. No thanks.
I can’t believe I am saying this, but you are impressing me with this wisdom that I never thought you had.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Maybe it's different for baseball,
but look at the Rockies last year and even the Orioles this year. Managing changes can make a difference, if only because the person that was the manager(or coach) is not the same person anymore. I realize it’s a bit more complicated in football, but it’s not unprecedented.
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New coaches can make a positive change
if the team they are inheriting are good to begin with. The team McD inherited was terrible on defense and special teams.
On offense, he had talent, but were not a good fit for the Earhardt-Perkins scheme. WCO have since been replaced mainly with rookies, which usually spells disaster. Well, it hasn’t been pretty over the past 17 games, but it is too soon to call for the firing of McD. Let’s see how this team finishes the season, they may surprise us the next season (2012 or so) that they play.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Couldn't agree more
If we think coaches don’t get much chance now, it would be even worse if owners acted like fans.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 25, 2010 12:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Not calling for him to be fired
but we do have to look at our record. I know we are rebuilding and we have 9 more games to go but we are starting to circle the drain here. We should be getting better.
We have a few games to show something but I am not really feeling good about this team right now.
I realize every team does this but we have been on the road to mediocrity for a decade and now we appear to be getting worse. But I will reserve my final thoughts after 9 games.
One can only hope but then one does have to face reality that we just are not very good right now.
Look at Morris in TB
Or in St. Louis or Detroit, those coaches, while struggling with wins, are moving their team in the right direction. At this point, I’d like to be moving in the right direction, because currently it doesn’t seem we are.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 25, 2010 12:02 AM MDT up reply actions
And I'm guessing.....
the list of mediocre to bad coaches that have been blown out that bad is significantly longer than your list of good coaches……I just don’t see McD in this good coach list you put up.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
I wouldn't put him up with those guys at all
I’m saying even the best coaches get blown out, so it makes sense that an average coach would get blown out as well. If these coaches immediatly got fired, history would be very different.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 25, 2010 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions
I do agree, times have been worse
Pretty pissed off at McD, but just got keep calm, focus on next week, bet that’s what the team is doing.
I posted this in the other game thread, but I'll ask again here.
I just have one question.
Why did they continue to play Orton in the 4th qtr and risk serious injury? The game was well out of hand by then.
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I've been wondering the same thing.
No one but McD knows….
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Was he asked this during the press conference?
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I havn't watched it yet...
Still too pissed to even look at him!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Either Tebow is really bad
Or McD had another reason, maybe to show that he had a plan and was sticking to it.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
No, its about keeping the team together.
Putting in Tebow will be divisive and will harm the long term stability for THIS SEASON.
McD did the right thing keeping Orton in the game til the end.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Putting Tebow into a game, which is already lost,
doesn’t mean he’s the starting QB the rest of the season. It means you’re protecting your starting QB from needless potential injury in a blowout loss.
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Or put in Quinn. either/or
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SDcat09
It also sends a message to the team that the coach gave up the season. Putting Tebow in would not have been productive for Tebow, Orton or the team.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
That makes no sense. Absolutely none.
How is it productive to keep your starting QB in a game that was OVER, and risk injury? I didn’t ask to put Tebow in specifically…it could have been Quinn at that point.
Putting in a player to protect another player tells me you care about the season continuing with your healthy starting QB.
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I agree!!! 100% I was aghast that Orton played the 2nd half at all...
and not because of him playing poorly. But certainly the 4th quarter should have been the cut off point.
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I feel if you are going to play
him till the 4th qtr you might as well play him the rest of the game. why through anyone else in there after that mess was created? Put the players in there that give you the best chance to win.
So if it was slipping away in the 1st and 2 qtr then change whom ever to win the game.
Just really stupid no matter how you look at it…..So it is probably a great thing that I am not coach because as emotional as I get no telling who would be at QB…damn one can only beat his head on the wall…come on Draft
It makes sense when your backup QB is a legitimate threat.
If Tebow was a scrub, no one would care. Tebow is not, therefore putting him created an air of controversy. If you think Tebow is garbage then yes, it doesn’t make sense to keep Orton in. However, McD knows Tebow is not garbage and so do the players, but Orton is the starter so he keeps him in there as a “vote of confidence” in Orton…if you don’t get that then so be it.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Putting Quinn in would have said the same thing
and then McD would have to answer all the questions about why he didnt put Tebow in. It probably comes down to this. Orton was part of the reason the team fell down 24-0 in the first quarter, so perhaps leaving him in with all the other starters was punishment for screwing things up early on.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
That's pretty short-sighted
That’s like having your kid put something metallic in the microwave, watching the microwave blow up, and then telling him to do it again with the downstairs microwave. The first microwave already blew up, no reason to blow up another one.
McD said he didn’t want to put Tebow in because he didn’t want to expose him in that situation. I have no issue with that. Then put in Quinn. He’s fodder to us at the moment. Everybody would understand wanting to protect Orton from injury and Tebow from being exposed if he’s not ready for regular season playing time.
It doesn't matter....
McD is probably the type that believes a bad game doesn’t warrant any starting player rest on the bench.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
If that's the case, I strongly disagree with it.
But ultimately its his choice. He’s the HC and I’m just a fan. I just believe it’s extremely short-sighted.
How would it divide the team?
The game was already out of reach! At least give our “future” QB some game experience!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
I like 105%
Too bad our team gave about 5%, most of it from Spencer Larsens 20 yard scamper in the first. lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
I agree
He’s their leader, and while he did struggle, so did the defensive leaders, such as Champ. Team chemistry and unity is important for future success.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
If you're worried about being divisive and stability
then put in Quinn. Nobody in their right minds thinks he’s a “threat” to the team’s solidarity or stability. It’s just about protecting your assets and Orton is an asset to this team at this time.
There is absolutely nothing to gain from our starting QB being in a game that lopsided.
Quinn was a number three today he could only play with Tebow and Orton getting hurt
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 24, 2010 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Where is this canon that says you can only play your 3rd QBs after
an injury? The game was over at halftime and certainly over by the 4th quarter.
If anything, I would expect the team would have more faith that McD is making good decisions by not risking the starting QB
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It's purely a coaching decision
Link.
It is not necessary that the club’s first two quarterbacks be injured in order for the third quarterback to participate; his participation is purely a coaching decision. Likewise, if the third quarterback initially enters the game during the fourth period or an overtime period, the permissible return of either of the club’s other two quarterbacks is purely a coaching decision.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Ahhh...thanks!
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Being #3 just means you can't reinsert your #1 or #2.
Orton and Tebow didn’t have to be injured. Just neither could reenter the game once Quinn goes in.
If were worried about team stability
keep playing as they are and we will watch that explode soon unless they have so much character that they are fighting each other to take the blame themselves.
Give me some pissed off players that may rock the boat a bit and win some games over a bunch of players losing every game but have team stability.
That doesn’t even make any sense. Team Stability and losing?
Put whom ever you have to in and get some win or at least stir it up to make these players play again. Because after today I don’t care about all that crap. Did they look stable today? I am still pissed
Completely Disagree.
There were a million reasons to take Orton out. Let me just give three:
1. The game was lost
2. Orton could get hurt, which WOULD hurt stability
3. Tebow could have had a chance at development
by swg777 on Oct 24, 2010 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
develop what?
Incomplete passes? A couple jump passes? A few runs up the middle so the raiders could Tee off on him and crack some more ribs? Or maybe you want him to learn how to take a sack.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
So it's okay to keep your starting QB in and risk the same thing?
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Orton would not run between the tackles
and his presence forces the D to cover the receivers. Tebow would invite the D to stack the box, raising the chances of an injury, much like the preseason game against the Bengals.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I had a different thought.
Perhaps Orton was left in as punishment for being a part of the 24-0 debacled started. Did you see Knowshon not playing or any other starter?
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What would you be saying right now if Orton was done for the season with an injury?
Knowshon is not the QB and he’s not nearly as valuable to the Broncos as Orton is right now.
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Oh well?
Seriously, this team isn’t making the playoffs so I don’t think it really matters who the QB is anymore. Orton is still the best guy we’ve got, but at some point McD needs to see what he has in Tebow.
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If one didn't know better, one would think you are hoping Orton gets hurt
so the Broncos have to play Orton :)
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err...play Tebow, that is....(teasing)
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I think he does at practices
Tebow will get his chance, I don’t think anyone would doubt that, but there must be a reason McD isn’t having him throw.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 25, 2010 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions
There is no THIS SEASON...we need to be playing for the future development of the team...I would rather lose with our rookies and let them learn than have to suffer thru another effort like this one.
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That will never happen Boydy...
Our coach won’t even put in Tebow when the game is out of reach!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
This is the answer, quoted from a tweet by @FakeJoshMcD
@flyingWill777 why isn’t tebow playing, sir / Because he would die. Tebow’s body doesn’t know how to lose by this much. It’d be messy.
hahahhahaha....Okay THAT was funny
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Then he is an idiot.
Orton is the starting QB!!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Tebow isn’t ready for the NFL and it creates controversy. Also keep in mind that Tebow may never actually be good.
So why not throw Quinn out there then?
Seemed pretty dumb to keep Orton out there, especially with such a shellacking.
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Exactly!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
I've never been a McD fan....but my god, this seemed just stupid to me.
Can you imagine if Orton went down with a season ending injury?
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I think the starters proved they need the practice to night.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 24, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Not really. To my mind, risking your starting QB is plain foolish.
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Quinn isn't ready for the NFL
Also keep in mind that Quinn may never actually be good.
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I'm already assuming he's not ready for the NFL or any good
Putting in him there isn’t for him to prove anything, it’s to protect guys who actually do matter to the Broncos, Orton and Tebow.
I was basically trying to copy Carl B's post
Since Quinn really hasn’t shown anything in the NFL yet.
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Also, where are those who ripped me for saying our D was struggling?
Cause I got no peace for days because of that.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Sorry 'bout that Maxwell...
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
You are forgiven
I’ve said my fair share of stupid things, so I’m not really pissed.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Thanks bro!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
i don't think I said anything to you about our defense
but we have had plenty of disagreements.
My apologies.
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Disagreement is fine
Normally you keep a level head, it’s when things get emotional that we argue the most. It’s when a person it dragged across coals for an idea that bothers me.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
You were on it man...I got ripped for saying our team had no heart too.....got to say...it SUCKS being right on these ones...wish we were 100% WRONG and winning games!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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I might as well
Apoligize to you as well Boydy…..I’m sorry bro!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Those who want to fire McD............. who is our next coach?
Anybody who says Bill Cowher will be slapped for being an idiot
I would love to steal the Texans HC. :)
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 24, 2010 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would blow up the offense again
How many restarts do you want to see in Denver? We’d have to replace a few O-linemen who are better at zone-blocking, we’d have to trade Moreno because he is not a one cut runner, then draft a RB or two, we’d have to get rid of at least 2 of our TEs and replace them through the draft, install a new (or previous) offense, trade Orton and Quinn, and who would be the starting QB of this rejuvinated WCO?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I'd love to have Kubiak
He’s done so much for Houston and I’m being a homer in the sense that he was such a great addition to Elway during his playing days and learned so much about X and Os from Shanahan but a better evaluater when it comes to defense (though management did let Robinson go).
I think the WCO is such a dynamic scheme and surprised less teams utilize it.
Say hello to my fast...
by dcrespo7 on Oct 25, 2010 12:40 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Gruden
Although, I’m not ready to fire McD yet. But, Gruden would be intriguing.
by tunesmith on Oct 24, 2010 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm over coaches who have been out of the league too long.
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I understand fans' outrage
That said, you raise a great point. Lots of people have knee jerk reactions, name calling, etc. but few solutions. Cowher is not coming to Denver even if the Broncos were looking for a new head coach.
"I think if you struggle to run the football and stop the run, that's a double whammy ... The line of scrimmage is where a lot of games are won and lost, no question. And when we lost the line of scrimmage on both sides, it usually wasn't a good formula for us." – Denver Broncos Head Coach, Josh McDaniels
Gruden
Dungy
Kyle Shannahan :)
i kid with the last one.
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Dungy? I wish
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by dmitchell624 on Oct 24, 2010 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
For me, the jury is still out on Dungy...
…..he was good in TB and may have been good in Indy….but it sure seems like Manning is essentially the coach of that team.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Dungy
is one of the most respected men in NFL history from within the league, and he has a coaching tree that can rival some of the best coaches in the game today.
The jury is not out on Dungy.
If Dungy left the Colts for his family and charity work then he is not coming to Denver.
must admit
I wouldn’t complain if this were to happen.
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
Ok, I'm not over coaches who have been out of the league too long.
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I just think the Cowhew scowl would have kept this game from getting out of hand. lol
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I would look at Jon Gruden because he knows the division, bring s passion and LOVES Tebow and has a good relationship with him.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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Someone talk me off the ledge, please...
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 24, 2010 6:16 PM MDT reply actions
See my comment above
Great coaches, even the best coaches have terrible games.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I'll try.
This game will be put in perspective and ultimately, win or lose, will not mean nearly as much as all of us waking up in the morning, taking a deep breath, appreciating what we have and living our lives for as long as we are given the gift of life.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I plagiarized myself by copying and pasting a comment I made that Harv put in his sig.
So…. I guess I should sue myself?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions
i would apply at hallmark,
use that line and then sue them. much more money and you get to say you that wrote a greeting card. how cool is that.
Great idea!!!!! I could pay my college tuition. Brilliant!
Of course, by doing this, wouldn’t I be stealing your idea? In turn, you could sue me for idea infringement.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
of course i'd sue
but life’s not about money, kb, it’s about appreciating what we have and living our lives for as long as we are given the gift of life.
Amen. Did you get that from a hallmark card or something?
That’s beautiful.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Knock it off
You’re making too much sense with your ability to put things into perspective. Don’t you guys know we’re supposed to be angry?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
True, but the Broncos
almost choked the life out of me with that loss!!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Same here, but still....
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Disaster. Unmitigated disaster.
An absolute unholy abomination of a game. This in no way resembled the team who so valiantly played the Jets last week in execution or in spirit. There’s no way to sugarcoat it, there are no words, no pictures and no feelings that can describe this one. I was AT the 55-10 Super Bowl loss and that performance did not seem to me as embarrassing as this one. We weren’t simply beaten by a better team, the Broncos curled up into a ball and just took a beating today the likes of which they have not received in recent memory.
It was like watching a mountain lion ripping apart a blind man in a wheelchair and being unable to do anything about it.
There is no explanation, no excuse, and no way the team we saw today even deserves to SAY the word “playoffs”.
Titans are cheap, Raiders are scum. Starting this week, the Broncos can run!
by TheMastermind on Oct 24, 2010 6:19 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
ha ha
It was like watching a mountain lion ripping apart a blind man in a wheelchair and being unable to do anything about it.
Somehow, this made me feel a little bit better.
No more
I have been a huge suport of Coach since he was hired. I was all for Shanny geeting cut because we were a pathetic team with the Chargers always dropping 50+ on us. Almost 2 years later and we are no better off. Defense is a freakin joke. Kyle Orton as our QB? Seriously. What is his record in Denver? And even getting killed by Oakland we dont pull his a## and give Tebow a try. I can guarentee you that he would not have given up. Freakin disgusted by this team and hope somesones a## gets canned tonite!!!!!
To be fair, I don't think Orton gave up.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 24, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
No, but the O-line did...
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Of course not. He couldn't, if he gave up, he would have been slaughtered
since McD was leaving him in the game.
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Exactly!!!!!
We are soo lucky Orton did not get injured….
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
To say that the team gave up
implies that they showed up in the first place.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
lol
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Good point
So far, Denver has failed to show up in the 1st quarter of each game they have played.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Everyone gave up bar Moreno and DJ.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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I WISH the Broncos were still a mediocre team.
I can’t belive I’m saying this as a Bronco fan, but I now long for the days of Mediocrity that we used to have. The fact is that this team is no longer a mediocre team. It is exactly what it’s record says it is: a team that in the bottom fourth of NFL teams. That fact makes me want to puke.
What a wonderful way to cap off a crappy weekend
My daughter has the Croup, my car failed its emissions test, and the sandwiches from Sal, Kris and Charlie’s (normally an awesome sandwich) had stale bread.
Ended up paying bills by the end of the 1st quarter.
I’m incensed…and I want McD out of here. I guess all of these angry Denver Post commenters were right for the past two years. Maybe he’ll have more success as an offensive coordinator somewhere else.
You should write a country music song.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions
No kidding.
i need to remember to ask for “paper” at the grocery store tonight so I have something to wear over my head to work this week.
When 75 yards rushing is the best thing you did all day, you have nothing to be proud of.
by TheMastermind on Oct 24, 2010 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions
The Way the Broncos' Franchise Luck is Going
McDaniels will get canned and end up becoming a dominant head coach for years to come somewhere else.
"I think if you struggle to run the football and stop the run, that's a double whammy ... The line of scrimmage is where a lot of games are won and lost, no question. And when we lost the line of scrimmage on both sides, it usually wasn't a good formula for us." – Denver Broncos Head Coach, Josh McDaniels
Yep...probably in Detroit with the Phonz and Scheffler!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
lol
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
They got the last laugh
Funny how we rip on Jamie Dukes and the rest of those idioits but in the end we were the idiots. Someone please kick me in the nuts!!!
Ok, then please, return the favor!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
It's about what's best for the team at this point.
I’ve never been a McD fan but that doesn’t mean I’m not a Broncos fan. Those two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive. Just because I love cheese doesn’t mean I have to like sharp cheddar.
However, despite my reservations about him, he is our coach and anytime you hire a guy that young and give him the ability and responsibility to completely remake the team as he sees fit, he gets time, for better or worse. Despite this loss, I still see no reason to fire him any time this year and any time next year unless we’re about 2-10 after 12 games. When you make the change like Bowlen did, you go all in and until you’re 99% certain that it isn’t going to work, you still give him a chance.
by TChizza on Oct 24, 2010 6:27 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Same thing with my view on Orton
I guess I’m not a fan because I can’t wait to see what our 1st round QB can do. I can tell you one thing, he couldn’t have played any worse than the crap I saw today.
Sound post
We are not 99% certain that McD is behind this current 2-5 situation. If we had maybe 2 or 3 guys injured, but the rest of the team was simply not playing good ball, looking unprepared, I’d agree with the pessimists.
But this team has shown heart against good teams so far this year. If they had come out today as they did the week before, this should’ve been a victory by 1 or 2 TDs. For whatever reason, some guys simply did not show up to play today.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Why did we give Kuper all that money..? he sucks..
by broncosfaninphilly on Oct 24, 2010 6:29 PM MDT reply actions
THIS!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Today's loss confirmed it for me
I had been in denial, but today’s embarrassment finally sealed the deal. The Broncos organization is one of the worst in the NFL. As Bronco fans our expectations have always been high, because the organization leads us to believe they are run well and can succeed. It is no longer true. The team has a lame duck owner, a terrible coach and a talentless football team. This organization is becoming the Detroit Lions of the AFC. We are no better run than the Raiders, and unfortunately it will be many years before we begin to win again. McDaniels is in over his head and has set the franchise back over a decade. I’m lowering my expectations and rooting for growth and maybe a few good wins here and there. Welcome to the no good NFL organization club, Bronco fans. The Lions, Bills, Raiders and Rams are happy to have us.
Hang in there
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I thought Matt Prater kicked the ball half way decent.....
..if the rest of the team could just find a way to build off his solid performance then I think we are on are way!!
by HCbronco on Oct 24, 2010 6:30 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
this is the FUNNIEST post I have ever read bahaha
I love the sense of humor lol
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
shoot there you go
we will long snap it to prater every possession hahahahahaha
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
Janakowski out kicked him
In every way.
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skottys right
Whether we lost by 1 or 100 a loss to the pathetic raiders is just plain embarrasing! Let’s just chalk it up as a rebuilding year and let’s get these yougsters some playing time! I know our defense is just plain horrible and all but 2 have no heart but as far as the O we really need to see more Tebow! Bronconation needs something positive to look forward to. I’ve said it before orton is a solid system Qb but when things get tough u need a strong willed workhorse Qb that can scramble when needed and make the big play when all else is failing. Whether all of you love orton or not u have to admit he’s just not a franchise Qb! Let’s see what tebow can do it can’t get any worse.
by chap on Oct 24, 2010 6:30 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
So areas we need to focus on in the draft
RB
FB
DL
OL
TE
ILB
CB
miss anything?
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 24, 2010 6:31 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
how bout we draft some real fans
and cut the fairweather bunch
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
by grind_core on Oct 24, 2010 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you! Thank you! and Thank you!! I see a lot of names I've never seen before btw...welcome
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I've been around a bit
but thanks! glad I’m not the only one.
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
I know you've been here awhile, I was welcoming the ones coming out of the woodwork:)
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions
thanks
I thought it was an excellent point, personally.
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
Yeah, they might play harder and have some more pride in the team than the players!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
oh good. I always enjoy the fan on fan bashing. Please everyone is a Bronco fan here ....let's not go down that path.
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from a real fan
Ah, yes, the old saw that fans who are critical of the Bronco’s decisions aren’t real fans. I admit it, I’m critical of my Broncos. I’m critical of them because I love them. You know who I’m not critical of? I’ll tell you: the Bills, the Lions, the Vikings, and every other damn team. That’s because I don’t give a rats ass about them. I’m hard on the Broncos exactly because I want them to do succeed so badly. So please spare me the “if you question the Broncos you’re not a real fan” crap.
I've been a die hard Bronco fan for 40 years.....
….this is by far the worst loss in regular season……and to the Raiders! You should feel fury! How do you not?
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Yes. You missed NT, which should be our FIRST pick
There is no future behind JWill. Ron Fields is a serviceable backup.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
DL assumes we need DEs, where I think we're actually fine
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I am
so mad. Taking heat on Facebook and Twitter, perhaps it’s my fault. I got mad and called CPT Caveman a name I shouldn’t have. The football gods are pissed at me.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Oct 24, 2010 6:32 PM MDT reply actions
Questioning suggestions for coaching changes
If we really are as bad as it feels right now, coaching changes will not help. Why? Because a team doesn’t lose 59-14 b/c of poor coaching alone. That wide of a margin suggests a significant talent gap between us and our competition (see the early Elway Super Bowls when the NFC had significantly better talent across the board, except @ QB).
Thus, I see three explanations on the table for us. Either 1) we’re a good team and today just “wasn’t our day”; 2) we’re a mediocre team that sometimes rises up for games against good teams (Jets) and sometimes lowers itself against bad teams (Raiders); or 3) we are an epically bad team in terms of team talent (think last year’s Lions or the Nuggets when Joe Wolf was our PG).
I hope it’s #1, think it’s #2, and am choosing to believe it’s not #3 (b/c that takes years to recover from).
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
I tend to think it was #1, nothing went our way from the get go
but that does not change that we are still a 2-5 team
I hope you're right
If so, it will be the most fun for all of us.
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
+1
First touchdown… clear lack of pass-covering linebacking skill. That was a tight end. We didn’t have Dawkins, McBath, or Woodyard. That’s a lack of talent, decimated by injuries.
Also… after that…
Second touchdown… dumb mistake on Orton’s part.
Third touchdown… rookie mistake by Demaryius.
21-0 and you really can’t pass any blame around beyond that. So unless you want to hang the loss on Orton and Demaryius, then you have to spot the Raiders 21 points right there. Perhaps we could also blame the front office for going after Tebow and Decker when we could have gotten another linebacker or safety.
I can’t quite account for the other 38 points, but it’s a start.
Agreed
Over coming 21 points is rough to do for most teams. The Raiders defense is pretty good IMO, and with that lead they could pin their ears back and pass rush.
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and thats why Tebow didn't play
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#2
This is exactly what mediocre NFL teams do — they win games that make you think they’’re about to turn the corner and be good, they lose games that seemed easy to win, and they muddle through the rest winning a game here, losing one there.
The Broncos are OK, not great, not terrible, just a standard issue, middle of the road NFL team. It’s only paying a lot of attention to them that makes it seem like there’s something really good or bad going on, since there’s so much data that needs to be fit into some kind of narrative.
by belmbo on Oct 24, 2010 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS.
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
We played like #2 today!
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#2
Isn’t #2’s what the broncos have on the field playing football right now? How many starters didn’t play because of injuries today on defense or on the whole team in general.
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i was thinking of a different #2 that we resembled today
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
That's the one I meant =)
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Sadly...I think it's #2
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Between 2 and 3
Still pissed that we did not play Tebow when we were down by 100. Seriously? What the hell are you waiting for?
I heard you the first three times but still disagree
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Can anyone view the live stream for the post game interview with MCD?
I cant view it right now, it just keeps loading. I even tried it in firefox and I get the same results.
It's already finished. You'll have to wait until they load it as an mp3.
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
McDaniels Presser
According to a Tweet I read, he said he takes full responsibility for the loss, and apologized to Pat Bowlen, the front office, and to all Bronco fans.
"I think if you struggle to run the football and stop the run, that's a double whammy ... The line of scrimmage is where a lot of games are won and lost, no question. And when we lost the line of scrimmage on both sides, it usually wasn't a good formula for us." – Denver Broncos Head Coach, Josh McDaniels
yup
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 24, 2010 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Well
then, since I make less than minimum wage at my job, McD can donate his paycheck to me.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Oct 24, 2010 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions
The entire team failed today
Top to bottom, this was an embarrassment. It was like watching JV football against an NFL team. I realize that we have a boatload of injuries, and that definitely played into this, but with so many mistakes on both sides of the ball, no one should be immune to criticism.
No one should be singled out either, as some are out in full force again asking for McD’s firing. Let’s not get carried away. I think the season is in jeopardy and the playoffs are becoming a daydream at this point.
But this is the time for real fans to show up and support the team.
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Agree
I have to say that I’m shocked by some of the comments in here. How many starters are injured for this team? Should that not be taken into consideration, come on guys you’re better fans than that right. That was one of those game where nothing goes right, and the Raiders take advantage of every mistake. The game plan went out the window with less than half the 1st QTR gone, and with your young o-line coming back from 21 down is going to be tough against a good front 4.
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thanks cave :D
you guys should take heed. a fan of another team is out supporting some of us.
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
Its the circumstances
this loss was terribly painful. Really really painful. Shameful. Dirty. Like I want to huddle up under a cold shower.
Again…but worse this time.
Jamarcus the Hut drive and beat us at home last year, that effing SUCKED. No WAY anyone thought that that loss could be not just be exceeded, but be dwarfed by the beatdown delivered on us today.
Its hard to voice, but you dont expect a loss like this is possible, so its very depressing.
?
So 2-5 and having the Raiders drop 60 on you at home and you cant make a judgement call untill next week? Seriously. That would be like someone jamming your wife and you want to wait till next week to make a judgement call….
Couple of complaints
I hate running screens and flats and getting them snuffed out, and then on the other side of the ball, getting burnt by the same plays.
Orton, throw it down the field when we need it, but on 3rd and shorts and other plays such as that dont throw up 50-50 balls.
Wink, I realize your missing a lot of guys, but 59 points to any team is unacceptable, especally the Raiders.
I might not have liked Shanny’s recent teams in Denver, but this game makes me question McDaniels and his teams thoughts on our greatest rival. The Jets might be your rival so you brought your A-game against them McD, but I would much rather get blwon out by the Jets and then win this game then the current results
well
when Oton throws up a 50/50 ball, it’s also McD’s play call.
I talked a bunch about that this week. That play call is symptomatic of McD’s lack of faith in Orton and the oline to make a play in the face of the blitz. Orton’s not a great QB as things are crashing aroudn him. With the current Oline, there’s lots of crashing.
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Show me a good NFL QB when things are crashing in around them
Seriously, this is the game plan ever week against Manning the elder. It fails because they have a good offensive line and the RBs are terrified to screw up a blitz pickup and because Manning gets rid of the ball FAST.
And I would put the first 21 of the points on the offense and STs. At minimum 7 of them…52 is better than 59 right?
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Cutler isn't any better when facing the blitz on nearly every down
The O-line needs to get in sync before we can talk about the QB playing well under pressure.
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just wondering
you guys think the nfl’s new no hitting policy had anything to do with our defensive effort?
/sarc
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
I'm not a coach former or current
but it looked like we moved some people around today on defense. DJ on th outside? or was it in certain situations?
Were the starting LBs from right to left Hunter, Haggan Mays and DJ? Serious question if anyone has the answer I’d appreciate it.
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
fortunately
I didn’t get a chance to see it. I am none too sure.
I'm not a complete idiot, some pieces are missing.
119-27
I’m a UCLA Fan. After the Bruins got slaughtered by the Ducks on Thursday night, I was looking forward to at least my Broncos winning this weekend. Combined score of both games — 119-27. But it feels more like 1119-0.
There is NO WAY the Broncos should have made the Raiduhs look so good today.
No excuses.
I felt bad until I read this
I’m sorry for your other loss.
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
mine's better (worse?)
Oh yeah, try being a Beavers fan and watching your team spot the Fuskies 21 straight points only to battle back and LOSE on a 2 point conversion try in OT??
AND… your worst rival is ranked #1 in the country.
AND… then you said, “Oh well, at least I have the Broncos”, but then they go on to lose this badly to the RAIDERS?
Glad I'm a Ducks fan
Otherwise this weekend could have been even worse.
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Jets played down to us
Are the Bills good? No, they suck. Just because they had a good game against the Ravens doesnt change the fact that they suck. Same with us. It is what it is. We are a bottom 8 team in the NFL
I like that idea.
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"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Do you have an office beside McDs or is this just your gut feeling??? Facts would really be helpful
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions
My thought too
Said this earlier. I think we are all stuck on Shanny still. And we all assume Tebow was McDs choice alone.
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McD has input on the types pf players he wants
and Xanders finishes the deals from a business perspective.
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I was wondering....
your right, Xanders is lol.
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
For cryin out loud, Xanders is the GM....sheesh
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
It also makes it your opinion
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought Xanders was the GM?
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Xanders is GM by title
but in reality is just a money/contract guy. McD is the last say in personnel decisions.
You're right rocko1
You are correct, McD makes all the personnel decisions, therefore he is the the GM in practical application, if not in name.
He should be available he just walked out on the Dolphins
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions
The timing is great and ownership could do it now!
Josh needs help and guidance.
I understand what you're saying but to make changes midseason seems like it would make the situaqtion worse, if that's possible
And i really don’t see where Parcells has gotten any results since he left the Giants
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Oct 24, 2010 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Parcells was hired by Miami after 1-15 season in 2007 and has done
an excellent job turning that franchise around. We need help, from someone who has been there before. Imo. McD is in over his head and needs guidance from a pro like Bill Parcells.
Exactly
Long term, this may not be a bad idea. Parcells would to some degree understand what types of players McD is looking for in his building process. But if hired during the bye week for instance, it would do the Broncos no good, because the personnel are already in place for this season.
We could stand to benefit from Parcells’ services in the next year that the NFL has a season. So I’m talking about the 2012 offseason. Hiring him next year during the lockout would make sense for the 2012 season.
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And how do you know this BroncoMarc? I'm serious I'd really like to know if it's the case or your opinion
The QB position is set.
McD, not Xanders has final say
I know this because BOTH the coach and owner acknowledge it to be true. It’s common knowledge.
I JUST KNOW MY DESK IS GOING TO BE FILLED NEWSPAPERS WITH RAIDER HEADLINES
I work with 2 hard core raider fans and I know my desk is going to be papered with newspaper articles. Maaaannnnnn Tomorrow is going to suck and my email account is going to be flooded with trash talking raider fans.
by MELMAN on Oct 24, 2010 6:56 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you should call in sick
Or tell them there was a death in the family.
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Seriously. I live in San Diego. I called in sick one time after the Chargers pasted the Broncos.
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The death of my beloved donkey.
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Tell them at least you don't have a rap sheet
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do it now, it was done before
Phillips replaced Dan Reeves as head coach for the Broncos in 1993, but was fired after a mediocre 1994 season in which management felt he lost control of the team.
Oh well... Looks like there will be no fun in london next week...
Had they won they could of enjoyed a little sight seeing things would of been calm
and easier to deal with . Now it will be a week full of panic .. Mabey they should sit on
the plane with full equiptment on..
by broncosfaninphilly on Oct 24, 2010 6:59 PM MDT reply actions
They all need to be watching film right now.
They shouldn’t have any vacation time over there, they need to be focused on getting to 3-5.
The NFL is a strange league anymore....
20 years ago a loss like this would indicate a team is 5 years or more away from contending, now though, who knows what it means. A couple years ago every time the Cardinals went out to the east coast they got pounded including a game where I believe the Patriots hung over 50 on them, well the Cardinals almost won the super bowl that year. A few years ago the Colts run defense was getting shredded consistently including giving up over 300 yards rushing to the Jags in a tough late season loss…they won the super bowl that year and were solid against the run in the playoffs. Point being the NFL is a roller coast anymore, and it seems that logic doesn’t apply anymore for predicting the final out come of a season. While I am really upset about the loss today I am going to with hold final judgement on whether the Broncos are going in the right direction until the end of the season.
Time for a change
I agree with John, this is the worst loss ever. The Radiers historically our most hated rival comes into our stadium and absolutly whoops us. The sad part is the lack of emotion, get a fightig penalty, break the Gateraid container, sometyhing to show you have some fight. My god our team just laid there and took it. I like McD, but really this is the product you want to put on the field. I am going to be sick.
As a bad as this loss is nothing compares..
to the pounding we took in front of the world against SF in the Super Bowl and nothing compares to the heart break of losing to the Jags at home in the playoffs, so we can stop call this the worst loss ever.
I don't think this is the worse loss ever but it's just seeming more and more hopeless every week.
by sc31089 on Oct 24, 2010 7:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate to tell you, but it is tied for the most number of points given up in a game.
Check out this little nugget from the DP
The 59 points were the most ever scored by the Raiders and tied for the most allowed by the Broncos. The 1963 Broncos started their 2-11-1 season by losing to the Kansas City Chiefs, 59-7 at the University of Denver’s old Hilltop Stadium.
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Depends on how you define worst loss ever....
I can’t put points on a score board in October in the same category as some of the heart breaking playoff and super bowl losses I’ve been through.
I can see what you mean. I think this will either be a galvanizing moment or will rip the team to shreds.
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I agree with that...
…I will say this, it might be the most shocking score ever, if I had 500 guess of the score before the game I would never come up with 59 to 14
IMO
For those that want to put the blame on McDaniels…….McDaniels did not fumble the kick off…McDaniels did not fumble on our first offensive play….The only thing McDaniels failed to do today was dig us out of a six foot hole that our young players put us in. If you want to blame McDaniels for not pulling Orton when the game was out of reach…..McDaniels took over a team the faded and quit in games and seasons. Why not leave him out there and show the team you won’t quit until it’s over and at the same time show faith in your QB? That is just my take!
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by BRONCOSAM on Oct 24, 2010 7:07 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry but pulling the QB to protect him from injury does not say you have no faith in Orton.
I don’t understand this notion. (not picking on you) There was no way the Broncos were coming back. It’s an act to protect your starting QB.
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I agree +100
Orton is the mvp of this team and why risk injury when the outcome has long been decided?
yeah reward his horrible play in the 1st quarter by allowing him to rest on the bench.
I’m thinking more and more that McD left him because of his mistakes. Why should he get rewarded when none of the other starters got a break?
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 24, 2010 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because QB's are QB's
They’re usually exempt from these type of things for a reason, teams are usually at the mercy of who their starting QB is. I can just see the horror and fan reaction if Orton sprains an ankle or god forbid, something worse, on that last drive when we’re down 45 points. What’s to gain from it?
I get where you are coming from SD
Sorry if I seemed uppity at you above. I just think it would have shown a lack of faith (in Kyle) to a team fragile enough with all the injuries. That’s just my reasoning. But McD said in the presser that it wasn’t a situation that he would put Tebow in. I know you would also have been in favor of putting Quinn in, but really, that 3rd QB is for emergencies. If he got hurt then we are left with Knowshon at QB (or maybe Eddie). Might as well forfeit the game at that point. And somehow I don’t think there is a (decent) coach in the league that would do that. If a coach were to quit on their team, he would never work in the NFL again.
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I didn't think you were being uppity at all :)
I just don’t understand how anyone (especially Orton’s teammates) would have considered removing him when the game was clearly out of hand, as anything but a message that we are now in protecting our MVP.
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Honestly, it just sounds like poor excuses
to cover McDs ass!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
Moreover, if the team is so fragile that it can't understand protecting your leader at that point,
then maybe some of the players need a talking to.
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There is a lot of that here.
You would think McD is the savior himself the way he is revered here.
No one holds McD up on a pedestal as you believe
You would think McD is the savior himself the way he is revered here.
No. What most of us on MHR are doing is, we’re GIVING HIM A CHANCE. It takes more than 1 season to improve a team from mediocrity. If you have a change after this year, then might as well turn back the clock to 2006. Do you want that? I don’t.
If in 2012 things are still looking dire, then it’s time to start looking for another house cleaning. 2010 has been cursed with injuries and I doubt the Broncos would be 2-5 if nearly everyone was healthy.
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Hehe
Now i do remember a few people saying McDaniels was a genius and that he would come up with offensive plays no one has seen before:P I said a long time ago how i felt about McDaniels, and I’ll just leave it that. The Broncos have had alot of bad things happen to them this year, and after a game like that it’s easy to starting blame everyone. Sorry about the lose guys but we still have a lot of football left.
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Is this a threat?
we still have a lot of football left.
That might be a bannable offense this week cpt… :)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 24, 2010 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
No just joking around some, I’m sure everyone is down in the dumps. Been there done that guys, for the last 4 years as a Chiefs Fan, but you have to keep the faith. Before this year started the Chiefs had won 10 games over the last 3 years, so one big blow -out isn’t that bad when you look at the big picture. Even if it was to the Frickin Raiders.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 24, 2010 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Reasonable point on Orton
I just don’t think pulling him would have sent the wrong message to the team, or created any kind of controversy; and would have been real game experience for TT. Perhaps McD didn’t think that would have been valuable experience, and I could accept that too. If nothing else, I wanted to see it for entertainment’s sake while watching to the bitter end – but that’s just me.
What a nightmare. Fumbles and interceptions happen but WTF?
Bad starts can be overcome. Unlucky things happen, its football and stuff happens. Even when you get behind you have to take risks and more things can snowball. But what the hell just happened? Its like nothing worked and the Bronco’s did not even play consistent good football to close the gap. Tough week to be a fan.
Amazing after a loss like this the Chargers still lost and we still have them and KC to play twice and Oakland once again
Pitiful attempt at seeing some ray of hope. But the truth is we still have 5/6 division games left and losers to the Raiders wsa not as bad as losing to KC or SD head to head. But those games look tougher now after a miserable game like this.
Agree with it all, John, except
I count the Super Bowl beatdowns and playoff loss to the Jags as worse because (1) they were in the same class as this loss – absurdly horrible and unexpected; and (2) because of their finality.
Bad as it is (as I said, I agree with you), it is only one loss on the ledger, and if the team finds a way to recover to 8-8 to 10-6, and competes for a post-season spot, then it’s not a lost year.
losing faith
I agree that this is the biggest disgrace in denver Broncos history. I have sat through season after season of mediocrity. Season after season of late collapses losing seemingly insurmountable division leads. I just wish I was a fan when the Broncos were good, cause right now it seems like they never will be again. We’re going from a mediocre team to a dreadful one. Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. I live in Oakland, and I’m not looking forward to the broncos losing everytime they play the raiders. Maybye I’ll be a Colts fan.
Horrendous.
That is all.
IMO, today was the day they set the tone for the rest of the season… Uhh, I REALLY hope it works out the other way.
Until we get some of our guys back on Defense
Talk of contending is out the window
"I don't need love, I just need wins.'' - Kyle Orton, 2010
you must mean contending for a win
certainly not the division or playoffs, right?
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
Playoffs? don’t talk about playoffs! Playoffs?
by Jasper Burget on Oct 24, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
wow, in my head that press confrence just ran automatically with your post
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The question is
was this an anomaly, or was the jets game an anomaly? This season the NFL is more wacky then any other i’ve witnessed. After reading some other stuff, I think maybe there’s still hope. Or maybe I’m just in denial and we’re really screwed
Well look at the 6 games prior...this game looks like the anomaly.
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The Broncos were far more competitive against the Jets (a playoff contender) than today’s Raiders, who capitalized on Denver’s countless mistakes. The Broncos were short-handed because of injuries, but they also came out flat. I would’ve preferred watching last week’s version of this team playing today. Who knows what could’ve been?
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Vets
I wasn’t able to see the game or even listen, and I guess I’m fortunate to have that be the case today. I happen to be a coach (HS level) and have had the unfortunate pleasure of sitting through games like this. The fans have every right to be angry, displeased, etc. when a game like this occurs. Obviously no one wanted or expected this to happen, including the players and coaches. I’m now just more interested in how we respond, and mainly to hear comments from the Vets on this team and how they come out next week. As a coach, you are also ready to get back on the saddle again and get back to work because you want to see how they respond.
Bad thing is as a fan there is no work we can do so we have to sit and stew about it for a week, while the coaches and players can get back to work.
Allthough he is not helping the broncos at this point being injury prone B Dawk looks like a man that dosent want to be with this team anymore...
by broncosfaninphilly on Oct 24, 2010 7:40 PM MDT reply actions
He looks completely disgusted mabey not just for today ..but all the big runs the D gives up and the sloppy play turnovers and stuff .
by broncosfaninphilly on Oct 24, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm sure he's disgusted
We all are, and I’m sure he wished he’d been out there, but I’ve never got the impression he doesn’t want to play for the Broncos anymore.
Thats just my opinion looking at him on the sidelines . And the network kept showing him over and over after all the bad plays ..
by broncosfaninphilly on Oct 24, 2010 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
No problem
You are entitled to your opinion. I just think that this loss is tough for anyone involved and usually as someone considered a leader it is even tougher. Then we you are helpless in the matter, like us the fans, it appears even worse.
I think he was just frustrated
because he felt if he was in the game, he could have stopped some of the things that happened. Any player worth his uniform would think the same.
by TChizza on Oct 24, 2010 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are they having the MHR podcast tonight?
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But there's comic books upstairs
I doubt it...
What is there to say?
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i imagine a podcast would sound something like “We sucked. We sucked bad. We sucked worse then ever before…Goodnight everyone.”
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Yeah, there is pretty much a consensus on that
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Josh McDaniels--
Aside from getting rid of the best players on the team what exactly has he done? I think he is in over his head.
who - cutler?
Yeah – he’s awesome – 4 picks today.
Marshall? Product of a system.
Who else. Wanna play the Hillis game? The Sscheffler game? Come on. This argument is tired.
The one thing that McD’s aced since he got to Denver is shipping Cutler out.
I think its fair to say Denver’s WR corps are not worse than they were when Marshall was here.
Hillis is playing well but if you look at Denver’s team when we made the trade it makes reasonable sense. Scheffler isn’t even worth talking about.
Now what McD’s done with the currency the Broncos received in return for Cutler & Marshall is questionable, but not ‘gitting rid’ of them.
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I am frankly surprised that Hillis was moved. He seems to be the type of player that McDaniels and Company have gone out of their way to acquire — team first, character-type guys.
Marshall is an outstanding receiver. He was also a head case as was/is Cutler. Both Marshall and Cutler are talented players with huge upside, but whom mentally have not been able to put it together. Hence, the Tebow pick makes perfect sense within this context — a true character guy with determination and devotion.
The problem is whether or not you want to cede talent in order to gain chemistry. The New England model is certainly in place here. Look, they even shipped out Moss at the first sign of trouble.
even if we win next week on London it will still feel a bit hollow
today s loss will impact the rest of the season.
At this point i wonder if the players will be mentally strong enough not to pack it.
The game in London should show us how much influence the veterans have in the locker room.
"Iron sharpens Iron."
Hopefully, the Broncos will fix something and fix it soon.
See y’all another time.
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Just pointing it out
that entire piece of conversation has been removed. What a joke. Well guys, I guys if it’s not all about rainbows and unicorns your posts will start dissappearing. What an absolute joke.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
lots of things are being deleted today
because they get off the topic of broncos and start to talk about fans. As in bashing or blindly dividing fans up into groups for this or against that.
And several posts have gone because they additionally were very low quality, while other higher quality posts, making the same points are allowed to stay. 10 posts saying McDaniels should be fired, consisting of one sentence or a bolded text wall, or cursing or one sentence that calls out the homers for or against McD will all get deleted and to the few posts that had some effort put into them, and maintain a civil tone, will go the spoils of conversation.
But by far, the biggest reason for deletions (outside of the recently amended policy of no Fbombs during game threads) has been people getting into it with eachother, or using phrases like “koolaid drinkers” “McD bashers” etc. in a derogatory way. MHR has been too tolerant of a lot of this kind of stuff in the past, preferring to give users the benefit of the doubt in regard to “nonclassic” derogatory slang, but frankly, the stuff has flourished like contraband, and now people think they can’t make a point or opinion known without simultaneously “calling out” people who might not share the opinion. And the deletions go both ways, those who are pro and anti- whatever.
Last thing to keep in mind is that when a comment is deleted, it takes all of its subthread with it, even if the subthread was civil and well reasoned. In the past MHR has been overly tolerant of these situations as well, feeling that the civil discourse outweighed the infraction, but hindsight has shown that that strategy just allows someone to go around breaking the rules.
Great perils have this beauty, that they bring to light the fraternity of strangers.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 24, 2010 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, thanks for the response.
I’ll more than likely just read from now on because you have absolutely killed any desire for me to post here, and I thoroughly enjoyed doing as such. I’m sure that will make some people happy, but to be frank, I just voiced my opinions in much a similar fashion as the people I was conversing with.
What you have done is create an environment where we have the kool aid crowd and the sky is falling crowd. There really is no space for anyone that is in between. Regardless of your well reasoned post, I still feel like it was wrong of you to delete that piece of conversation because there was absolutely nothing there worth deleting. It was a few people having a slight disagreement.
It happens. I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a blow out loss at home. If it hadn’t been so sh*tty of a game we probably wouldn’t even be having this conversation right now.
We’ll all be fans and pull for the team in our own way. More than likely I’ll be doing it somewhere else.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
And let me clarify something:
There is nothing wrong with questioning the team right now. The coach, ownershio, players, everyone.
What is not ok are the comments like:
MAYBE I’LL BE A JETS FAN
MAYBE I’LL BE A COLTS FAN
If you didn’t see these anywhere, I suggest you look harder. These are the “fans” that I am referring to. Those are the comments that should be getting deleted. It is the very definition of a fairweather, bandwagon fan, and those are the people I take exception to.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
here is the thing
they are just talking about themselves. they can attack their own fandom all they want. heck, they might already BE a Jets fan or Colts fan!
We aren’t trying to tell people who they can be, we are trying to stop some people from getting their rocks off by telling other people how they should be. It is in the site rules that everyone agrees to. I get that no one likes a bandwagon fan, but you need to realize that a bandwagoner is his own problem not yours. Your fandom belongs to you, no one can change it or force you to be otherwise. Attacks, however are expressly forbidden.
As to the kool-aid vs. skyfall crowd, i don’t think we created it, because this site was built as a direct response to that divide in the fanbase, which already existed. i think it is more the advent of online communities, where people find themselves in amounts of diversity that they almost never experience in everyday life, where we go to great lengths to surround ourselves with familiar things and ideas. On this blog there are over 6000 active commenters, and post game, I would guess there are around 200 active members posting their opinions. It isn’t often that people get 200 other opinions on something and everyone agrees. This site actually agrees more than most, because we make an effort to promote the Broncos as a positive value, and 90% of our members are Broncos fans, which means we all have a similar goal.
As to the “bandwagoners” and such, they are harmless, to the degree that they even truly exist. Most problems as far as the site goes aren’t even bandwagoners, since their main goal in being here is to take out their frustration on someone else, (someone has to pay for how I feel! Since the coach/players/owner won’t pay, I’ll make someone pay who supports the coach/players/owner!)in which case it will only be a matter of time until they violate a site rule and it will be over. The community exists by sharing value, all communities do, whether online or elsewhere. In this community, that value is differing perspectives on a common treasure (the broncos) as well as the somewhat more rare instances of truly unique knowledge or insight into the game. That leaves plenty of room for the fan that only sees bad things and the fan that sees only good things, depending on their unique individual perspective.
Again, regarding the specific conversation you mentioned, i don’t know why it was deleted, but my guess is that they spawned under a comment that violated a site rule, probably calling someone or other a name. This is why community self moderation is such a huge goal for us as a staff, and why we try to explain our methods and thought process. Our tools for moderation are crude and final and leave no room for nuance or suggestion. They is what they is. Community self-moderation consists in forming relationships, and at that level, actual site quality can be maintained at a much higher level, like it was back when the community only needed to integrate 10 new members a month. Some people (like hoosierteacher) got reputations for being the welcoming wagon, but at 10 new members a day, those same people burnt out, and even at their best they couldn’t keep up with the influx of new members. I think here on MHR the burden got spread out pretty well, and I think there are TONS of members who go out of their way to exhibit first class posting behavior, patience and tolerance. It is an unfortunate fact of life that patience and frustration always tend to exist side by side.
Great perils have this beauty, that they bring to light the fraternity of strangers.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 24, 2010 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
So this is your fault really then..:P
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Oh well it boils down to this..
I remember when the broncos were great . they were the good times . Now the team
has fell on hard times. Coaches and players will come and go through the years.
No matter who is here i will still sit and watch games like this one today to the end
I will still buy all the broncos clothes and still forever love this team…
by broncosfaninphilly on Oct 24, 2010 8:25 PM MDT reply actions
hmm
I think this sums up what I’ve been trying to say. But apparently, I’m in the wrong here.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
I saw your posts you did not curse anyone...
by broncosfaninphilly on Oct 24, 2010 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Yea, I know.
I’ve had two removed, and a handful of conversation going back and forth was also removed. No explanation, no nothing. I guess the moderator(s) are ill and are inflicting their will on us. It’s called the first amendment. But I guess that doesn’t apply here, either.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
And I still wanna know where our fourth quarter thread is.
The team apparently quit today, so MHR followed suit.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
I addressed some of the deletions above
regarding the thread (in case you truly do feel MHR failed some sort of test here, and aren’t just being toungue-in-cheek) the purpose of multiple threads is to keep the comments in the range of 1000 for lag issues and server response times. The 4th quarter thread never went up because it wasn’t needed. Even functioning as a post game thread, the 3rd quarter barely topped a 1000 for the evening.
Great perils have this beauty, that they bring to light the fraternity of strangers.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 24, 2010 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
You're correct, it doesn't apply here
This is a privately owned and moderated forum, they have the right to delete anything they please. First amendment only protects you from government censorship.
you don't happen to wear a suit to work by chance do you
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
I don't think anyone is in the wrong...
I remember teams bad, mediocre, good and great! Regardless I will always be a fan and I don’t like losses but I know they are part of the deal, I just get a little sick and maybe throw up a little when I see what appears to be a complete lack of effort and passion from a team I live vicariously through…I will always be a fan but I will not stomach losses like today easily. I’m glad others are more light hearted and take it as the game it is meant to be however that doesn’t fit my personality. Regardless through thick and thin, good and bad, I will always be a Broncos fan just not always a happy fan and sometimes like to day a fan that feels a bit ill and hopes not to vomit.
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you have adroitly captured my essence as well friend. I called 555-TELL as I had Church during the game and while I kept my decorum up when I heard the ludicrous updates, I wanted to slam the wall and all that crap. Thank goodness I kept my temper but losing to the FAIDERS is unacceptable under any circumstances let alone like this
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 24, 2010 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Tons of Comments Here's my 2 cents
I think most of us fans are in shock to say the least, Raiders or not the Broncos didn’t look like a team that belonged in the NFL today. I’m not throwing anyone person or portion of the team at Dove Valley under the bus, I think they are all at fault. The one thing I didn’t like was what I heard from the first couple of player interviews. Jason Hunter, we prepared hard and played hard things just didn’t go our way….what the HELL is that? Okay anyway I think we are all in the “McGeorge” camp (sorry McGeorge you are famous or infamous) We are what we are until we show differently we are I believe 4-12 or is it 3-13 in the last 16. Either way at this point I’m left wondering is today an aberration or are we lacking that much in talent and coaching? I just don’t know and won’t be expecting different results until it is proven otherwise. Hopefully that will be sooner rather than later.
Look, today just sucks
There’s nothing else we can say. But one game a season does not make. Today the Cleveland Browns(the Cleveland Browns!) embarrassed New Orleans. The Buffalo Bills nearly defeated the (imo) future 2011 Super Bowl champs Baltimore Ravens. Any given Sunday. And today was ours. It’s not this game that matters, it’s just one L in the loss column. It’s if we can regroup and respond. If we play like this the rest of the year, fire them all. If we can circle the wagons and win, that’s another story. But let’s not jump off the bridge yet. The good news from all this? It’s been over a decade since we saw a loss this bad, so in theory it should be another one before we have to live through it again!
by BroadwayBroncoFan on Oct 24, 2010 11:08 PM MDT reply actions
Thank you Mr. Bena!
For pointing out that maybe, just maybe we have had more embarrassing moments as Bronco fans than today..I to am going to now finish my bottle and go stick my head in the sand.
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Padding the stats? Shit man, we let off the gas at the start of the 3rd qtr, 59 pts in 3 qtrs!
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