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50 Years. Will the Broncos Ever Figure Out the AFC West?

DENVER - OCTOBER 24:  Defensive end Richard Seymour #92 of the Oakland Raiders celebrates while the Raiders 59-14 over the Denver Broncos while walking off the field with teammates Nick Miller #89 and Ricky Brown #57 at INVESCO Field at Mile High on October 24 2010 in Denver Colorado. (Photo by Justin Edmonds/Getty Images)

As I was writing an article for the Broncos Annual earlier this year about the legacy of the AFC West, I began to notice a disturbing trend from the Denver Broncos that has spanned its entire existence. That trend was an inability to consistently compete in the AFL/AFC West division. After Sunday's embarrassing defeat at home, I felt it was time to address this issue. For I think it runs much deeper than the typical kneejerk responses calling for Josh McDaniels' proverbial head, Orton benching, or whatever has been screamed about from various fans.

This fifty year conundrum has obviously not been solved.  I have inserted a chart below highlighting the key stats of divisional record and point differential. I only counted games between the true AFC West teams (Broncos, Raiders, Chiefs, Chargers) as they have existed since the beginning and have always been the Broncos main rivals. That said, for a team that ranks in the top five or six all time in wins since 1975, owners of six AFC Championships and two Super Bowls - a 143-155-3 Division record is intolerable. Take away the 1960's and this team is still only slightly above .500. I wish I could have included the Raiders and Chiefs stats because those two teams understand division rivalry, but I'd like to post this article sometime this week

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Denver Broncos AFC West Woes
Year Record Pt. Diff. Year Record Pt. Diff. Year Record Pt. Diff. Year Record Pt. Diff. Year Record Pt. Diff.
1960 1-5 -66 1970 2-3-1 -23 1980 1-5 -42 1990 2-4 -20 2000 4-2 +13
1961 1-5 -86 1971 1-5 -74 1981 4-2 +9 1991 4-2 +14 2001 3-3 0
1962 4-2 +44 1972 2-4 -32 1982 0-4 -68 1992 3-3 -36 2002 3-3 -12
1963 1-5 -125 1973 4-1-1 +23 1983 2-4 -61 1993 2-5 -12 2003 5-1 +105
1964 2-3-1 -76 1974 3-3 -10 1984 5-1 +30 1994 2-4 -40 2004 3-3 +16
1965 0-6 -54 1975 4-2 -7 1985 3-3 +1 1995 3-3 +5 2005 5-1 +68
1966 1-5 -109 1976 4-2 +33 1986 4-2 +18 1996 4-2 +35 2006 3-3 -28
1967 0-6 -133 1977 6-1 +50 1987 6-0 +72 1997 5-2 +88 2007 3-3 -19
1968 0-6 -132 1978 5-1 +30 1988 3-3 +38 1998 6-0 +102 2008 3-3 -31
1969 1-5 -76 1979 3-3 0 1989 4-2 +14 1999 3-3 -3 2009 3-3 +12

 

Suffice to say, the Broncos have never really been able to dominate their division. To highlight this fact, the Broncos have won just 8 Division Crowns in 50 years.  The Chargers have won the last four! Heck, the Raiders won three straight to begin this decade! One year, in the late 1980's, the Raiders won 7 games - they were 6-0 in the AFC West. I hate to talk the Raiders up, but man, at least they play their asses off against Divisional opponents.   The Broncos have also struggled to win divisional home games, which is even worse than being wholly average in division play. Going .500 most years isn't going to win division crowns, so at some point this organization is going to have to start taking division rivals seriously.

There were two coaches that really had the AFC West figured out and they were Red Miller and Mike Shanahan. In Red Miller's case I think it was more the players hatred of the Raiders themselves that caused them to be so competitive in divisional play. Mike Shanahan on the other hand, never had a losing record in the AFC West in all fifteen seasons he was the head coach, however, I think we can all agree that his grasp was slipping towards the end. 

Josh McDaniels, I hope, learned a valuable lesson today. Hating the Raiders means something and beating them means even more.

Fans like me don't care if you go 3-13 in a season so long as those three wins are at home and against the Raiders, Chiefs, and Chargers. You have discovered why it is we hate the Raiders, Chiefs, and Chargers. They rub victory in, the flaunt it as Richard Seymour did as he walked off the field, and they enjoy making you look bad. Never again. The only way to redeem yourselves in our eyes is to win the rest of your division games. Beat the Raiders in their house, beat the Chiefs and Chargers twice. PROVE TO US YOU BELIEVE IT MATTERS.

As for me, I'll continue to root you on for my love of the Denver Broncos transcends a horrifying 59-14 loss to the hated Oakland Raiders - at home - and I will continue to hope you will fulfill your DUTY to us fans. Yes it is a duty, it goes beyond the job you are simply paid to do. The Raiders and Chiefs coaches and players understand this, when will you?

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Oh great...so we have SUCKED in the division for 50 years....so we could even be worse than 6-10....sobering! Thanks Tim!

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

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by boydy2669 on Oct 25, 2010 9:38 AM MDT reply actions  

Wade Phillips

1993 and 1994. During his first year he did the unthinkable and lost to the hated Raiders 3 times, including a playoff game. I’m not sure why he was given another year after that. But I don’t ever remember a Phillips team laying down and quitting like this team has done way too often over the past 17 games. My first thought as I watched the implosion yesterday was, “Wow, this is worse than the Phillips era.”

Please, keep in mind that we didn’t lose 59-14 yesterday to the 1989 San Francisco 49ers. We lost 59-14 to the same team that gave the 2010 49ers their only win just one week ago. This was a loss of mind bogglingly epic proportions of failure. The very definition of a team not being mentally, physically, or emotionally prepared for a game. And that, imo, is all on the coaching staff.

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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 25, 2010 9:53 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree Bob...so disappointing and unacceptable....

I remember something my dad told me. I played high level competitive tennis. We drove 3 hours away for a tournament, stayed for a few days….costs a bit of money.
I had a shocker…..but I stopped trying. I threw my racket and mailed it in.
I have NEVER seen my dad so angry with me. Later, when he had calmed down these were his words:
“I dont care that you lost. What I care about is that you did not try. You lost faith and pride in yourself.” The next match I played in I lost…but I tried my ass off. I NEVER wanted to let myself or my mom and dad down like that again. Dad siad he was VERY proud of me…I kept fighting…..I might not have won, but I could hold my head up high.
This sums up this team….I am ashamed of them…..no fight, no pride…no love for themselves or the fan base…and their words ring hollow. I have heard them before, but nothing changes.

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

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by boydy2669 on Oct 25, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions   4 recs

I like your Dad boydy

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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Oct 25, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks FF...would have been your style of man my friend. i miss him a lot!

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

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by boydy2669 on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice story. And it makes a lot of sense. Had it looked like the team was prepared in an facet of the game yesterday I wouldn’t be as down as I am now. But they weren’t. From the opening drive TD, to the turnovers on the first two offensive plays from scrimmage, to the horrific mistakes on kick returns, to the complete failure to even slightly impede the Oakland running game, it was the worst effort I’ve ever seen by a Denver Bronco football team. Period.

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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 25, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your Dad had it right

Great point, effort looked less than stellar. thought I saw Orton out trying to rally the troops on the sidelines. I sometimes wonder if the MONEY aspect of this game keeps the real competitor out of the game. If you can’t stand up for yourself and try your hardest you don’t give a crap about anyone else let alone the fans who watch your games. I have played for good teams and bad, hated losing on any level. There are days things go sideways and the breaks go the other way, but to give up is the ultimate piss me off way to play. I tell my kids that, and the teams I have coached that very thing, give your all don’t ever mail it in! Effort is what makes the difference! I have watched this team for 27 years, not going to quit just asking the coaches and players to give a @@@@. Seymour taunting his ass off during and after the game, makes my blood boil. One of the big boys on the line needs to hit that @## hard and often for that, park his butt on the side with a good hard legal hit!

by tom3565 on Oct 25, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep...but guess what...Seymour has bought into the hatred and plays that way....NONE of our guys, even Dawkins, gets how much we hate the raiders...no excuses....we have a team of guys that dont get it.

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Oct 25, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are the Raiders players any less paid???

money isn’t the issue…

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 25, 2010 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

nice anecdote there, b

Thanks for sharing that. There’s nothing quite like the feeling that you let your old man down, is there?

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 25, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope...wonder what is going thru our guys heads knowing they let dwon themslevs, the coaches, their families, the fans and town of Denver???

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Oct 25, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

can't be anything remotely good

no time to wallow in the mire. they need to get their shit together, pronto.

I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.

by grind_core on Oct 25, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Elway

Only reason it didn’t happen. Would YOU have laid down with John Elway to contend with?

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by Arimaris on Oct 25, 2010 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well one point

The Raiders are the team for me and the Broncos, if we went 14-2 and our two losses were to the Raiders, then we failed. But I agree, Red and Mike understood what these AFC west rivalry games meant.

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by Broncoman on Oct 25, 2010 10:12 AM MDT reply actions  

Can't look past anyone

I feared that the Broncos would look past the Raiders the week before their trip to London. This team is not good enough YET to look past anyone, let alone the hated Raiders.

The McDaniels hatres will be out in full force this week but I for one will not listen to them. I still think you have let the season play out before you can make a full judgement on where the team is. How many did that last year at this time. We all knew the SB was not in the cards this year but a better record and improved play was and is.

I do give a pass (small one) to a defense that is beyond decimated with injuries. Rookies and practice squad players in place of proven vets all seemingly in the same game is a recipe for disaster. Well we got it. Let some of these guys get back, root through thick and thin, and see where we are at the end if the season.

by CastorTroy on Oct 25, 2010 11:00 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

If you are right it was an epic fail by McD...

I am not calling for his head either and I believe he should be given the rest of the season before any evaluation takes place. But if the broncos looked past the raiders, which I don’t really believe, then it is McD’s fault. This is exactly what they pay coaches for, to make sure the players are ready. Personally, I just think the game was a sign of how many weaknesses we have and how McD has decimated what was once a strength of the broncos, our O-line. The thing I can’t forgive McD for is what he did to our O-line. Before he came, it was a strength of the team. We had a system that stretched not only years with the broncos, but everywhere Master Gibbs coached they had great line play. We had the system and the player for the system.

But…but…the line was a problem last year. YES, it was because McD changed the system and then arrogantly felt he could easily re-tool the offensive line with players to fit his system and achieve the same results the broncos and those teams Gibbs coached before all had achieved. He literally blew up a tradition that stretched beyond the broncos for decades worth of quality line play. And guess what? We are having trouble running the ball and protecting the passer. In all the years that Gibbs disciples were with the broncos, Gibbs was with the broncos and Gibbs was with other teams coached, that was NEVER THE CASE.

by Keyworthpunch on Oct 25, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

This loss may have been the best thing that could've happened to this team this year

All the injuries, all the depletion of morale, all the could have beens… something had to happen to make this team WAKE THE FUGGZ UP! If this doesn’t do it, I don’t know what will.

This team lost something like 12 of the last 16 games or something ridiculous like that. Sometimes, hitting a new low is just what the doctor orders.

That’s really the only silver lining I could find. Oh and Knowshon looked like he wanted to prove something. That was nice.

Napoleon McDaniels

by RockyMountainHigh on Oct 25, 2010 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Certainly can't get much worse!

I hope you’re right about the wake up call to owner, coaching staff, and players. 49ers already in Europe and getting acclamated to time zone after a tough loss to Panthers.

by rocko1 on Oct 25, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

It could get worse...but yeah, hopefully not.

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 25, 2010 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

now maybe the 49ers are lickin their chops

but there is no way we can mail it in again, is there? what sucks for me is, after the broncos, the 49ers are a distant second favorite team having grew up in california. I like Mike Singletary. I think he is very refreshing from a fans perspective. you don’t see many coaches that wear their heart on their sleeve like that, I kind of admire him for it. not to mention he was a hell of a player. i wish we were playing anyone else but the 49ers this week. it’s two teams that both have something to prove.

I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.

by grind_core on Oct 25, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

ditto

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by KaptainKirk on Oct 25, 2010 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope there are two very pissed off teams in London on Sunday!

I wish we were there right now. Singletary is smart enough to know that JET LAG could have an effect on his players. I’m sure his players will appreciate the fact that 49er ownership is paying the price to have the team fully prepared for the time zone effect.

by rocko1 on Oct 25, 2010 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man the Elway years skew that too

1984 – 1998 (didn’t count his rookie year because I didn’t want to look up the games when he started that year, and not looking up any injury games either, I’m lazy like that)

We were 56-36 in that time. +20 for Elway

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by Darin H on Oct 25, 2010 12:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, mostly against the Chargers.

I wish I had checked, but I think Elway was still in the negative against the Raiders until Shanny came to town.

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 25, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

insult to injury

Having to hear them play John Denvers rocky Mountain high song during the game was above the board. Isn’t that against the geneva convention LOL.

by tom3565 on Oct 25, 2010 12:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice write up, Tim

Isn’t it interesting to note that the only times we have dominated the division (other than 2003 and 2005) were our Super Bowl years.

Or to look at it another way, in the years we dominated the division, we went to the Super Bowl.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Oct 25, 2010 12:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Maybe I'm just old and out of touch

But what does the arm crossing thing that Seymour is doing to the crown mean? Isn’t it something disrespectful? And if so, would it be possible that someone on the Broncos breaks both of his fricken arms when we play again in Oakland?

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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 25, 2010 12:53 PM MDT reply actions  

crowd, not crown. Sheesh.

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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 25, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe its the new way to mock slit your throat.

You know, X…picture a dead cartoon character with two X’s on their eyes.

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 25, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

it means he's claiming to be the x-factor

at least, that’s the connotation I’m familiar with. See Hall, Dante.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 25, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm Pissed

even now, but if we’ve learned not to overlook ANYONE and we beat the trash out of the 40 Whiners as we should then there’s still hope. We’re running out of chances though…..

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 25, 2010 12:57 PM MDT reply actions  

We'll certainly see if this team has ANY fight in it at all.

A loss or even a sloppy close win isn’t going to cut it for this fan.

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 25, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me neither.

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Oct 25, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

running out of chances is right

Ultimately, if you learn something, you show it. These guys aren’t showing us much right now.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 25, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great comments, Zappa

The only post I’ve allowed myself to read since the loss, and you pretty much nailed it.

We have not been an elite team for a long time, and yesterday exposed us for who we are, IMO. Somewhere, something went completely off the rails, and I can really only blame the game preparation which was clearly completely outstrategized. Not sure I subscribe to the idea that our players caved, but they certainly effed up time and time again. Man, if Oakland is the new SD, I’m gonna hate the new Oak.

But I feel you on this — it shouldn’t take an elite team to understand that there is something “special” about Broncos/Raiders. This is as proud a tradition as any, as fierce a rivalry as any, and anyone that doesn’t get that… well, frankly, they deserve to have their Broncos credentials questioned.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 25, 2010 1:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks man!

You sig line says it all. Except the “Sucka” should be removed after defeats like this and reinstalled after wins. lol

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 25, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

Maybe in this context, it’s more self-referential. I’m certainly a sucka for this team. ; )

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by broncosmontana on Oct 26, 2010 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

BAH

KNEE JERK KNEE JERK BAHHHH

Oh wait, last night is over? Thank God.

Great stuff Tim.

I’ll never forget some of the crap the Raiders pulled yesterday. Revenge is sweet. I hope we give such a savage beating to them at their house that they don’t have enough players to finish the game.

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by Nick Cast on Oct 25, 2010 2:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I HAVE THE ANSWER

BRING BACK RED MILLER!!!!!!!!! haha

by MiamiMike on Oct 25, 2010 2:25 PM MDT reply actions  

look at those numbers fly :)

great post, tim. today kind of feels like it did the day after we had our last hurricane cause lots of damage to our area. you just get up and get movin, cleaning things up, fixing things, replacing what needs to be replaced. it’s not going to happen overnight, but eventually if everyone pitches in and does their part things will start to get better.

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by grind_core on Oct 25, 2010 3:42 PM MDT reply actions  

yeah, like picking up the pieces of your shattered existence?

i’ve had no less than 7 co-workers come up to me today and ask about the Broncos…I live in Sacramento, so you can bet they were less than sympathetic.

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 25, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

a coworker of mine was surprised to find me in the office this week

For some reason he’d expected a ritualistic suicide. Obviously, he wasn’t there for the four SB losses that put this one in sharp perspective.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 26, 2010 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Chiefs fan here

Just gauging feelings after last week. It’s about what I assumed it would be.

Anyways just wanted to post on this article because it was a great read and I loved the research. I would love to see the Chiefs statistics in this category out of curiosity.

Might have to have one of our guys at Arrowhead Pride do something like this.

Again, great article!

by Lucasjr5 on Oct 25, 2010 10:35 PM MDT reply actions  

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