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"I'm not sugarcoating this. I'm going to be as honest as can be and tell it to you straight. It's not Josh. I've never been more prepared as a player from a head coach. And I've been through five or six already. We knew when the screen play was coming. We just didn't stop it. We knew when it was run-toss and they were going to try to hit the edge. We just didn't stop it. It's not him. People may not understand that, but I'm telling you that's the way it is.

Broncos LB Mario Haggan responding to a suggestions that the Broncos didn't adequately prepare for the Raiders game

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I just read this on the DP.

Glad someone of the players says this! So McDaniels-haters: shut up!

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by DjBroncos on Oct 27, 2010 8:40 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

McDaniels deserves his share of the blame

Aside from the inexperience on the O line, we don’t seem to have the depth we need to sustain the injuries we have, and we need to either coach up the guys who are stepping in or get more talent at those second string positions.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

but I’m far from bailing on the HC.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm glad you added this

I was about to respond about how he is the coach and will be for a while whether we like it or not, but in the end I believe all of your views are accurate.

We cannot bail on our coach, and he does deserve some of the blame, but when a guy like Super Mario comes out and touts that the defense knew what to expect, its hard to keep putting much of the blame on him.

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by DenBronx on Oct 27, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Does any team have the depth

to sustain the injuries the Broncos have?

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by bchiper on Oct 27, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

clearly

the answer is no

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Packers are still winning ball games...

The Colts…Texans…There are teams with similar injury situations who are still finding ways to win games. We are not.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

what is their depth like

equivalent to ours?

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

That wasn't the question

The question was, “Does any team have the depth to sustain the injuries the Broncos have?”

And the answer is, “Yes.”

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

not arguing the point

Just curious what you know about how they’re doing it on those teams. Is it a matter of skill, attitude, coaching, or what?

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Those three inparticular?

They have one common denomenator: Elite quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers makes Jennings better. Peyton Manning makes ANYONE look good. Matt Schaub has made an All-Pro out of Andre Johnson, who was just good before.

You can mask a ton of deficiencies with a QB like that.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

no doubt

Our game against Indy was a prime example. We took away Peytons top 2 options and he torched us with the 3rd and 4th guy.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Matt Shuab made an all pro out of Johnson???

Actually Matt Schuab is a pretty average QB… 1 4000 yard season and alot of missed games… Andre Johnson had two 1100 yard receiving seasons and 1 100 REC season before Shaub became a Texan…

by Mike Riley322 on Oct 27, 2010 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

yeah, I would say that Aj doesn't need any help being great...

I lurk at Battle Red Blog everyday, and have since I found MHR. Those fans have always appreciated the fact taht AJ is one of the elite WRs out there, and they are lucky to have him, and have him be such a consumate Texan.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 27, 2010 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Schaub is still the best QB in franchise history :)

I don’t mean in any way, shape, or form that Johnson isn’t a great player without Schaub.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 28, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's a pretty short history

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by bchiper on Oct 29, 2010 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

and a pretty bad one

lol

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by broncosmontana on Oct 29, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hvae you ever read Battle Red Blog?

It has been so long with no good football to talk about, they don’t know how to actually blog about winning games, lol….

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 30, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pittsburgh is also having all kinds of injury trouble. Yes injuries hurt, but they are not the prime reason for the regression that the Broncos are experiencing.

by BroncoMarc on Oct 27, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Indeed

four games without Roethlisberger, and they still dominated.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting

to see if they can keep it up after all the injuries to the DL.

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by bradley on Oct 27, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm curious

about the “similar injury situation” statement.
Let’s just look at the Broncos defense:
4 Starters out
2 of top 3 defensive players out (Dawkins and Dumerville)
Injuries concentrated at a few positions, those primarily responsible for pass rush and pass defense, 2 at OLB, 3 at DB/FS

I just don’t see the Texans and Colts situations as very comparable. The Texans are hard hit at LB, but run a 4-3 where they get a lot of pass rush from the D line. The Colts have been hit hard in the secondary but still has Freeney and Mathis to presssure the QB.

Pittsburgh has probably the best defense in the league and is always lauded for having great depth. Imagine that defense if they were in a similar situation:
Harrison and Woodley out at OLB replaced by Jason Worilds and Thaddeus Gibson (4 combined tackles this year) and backed up by an ILB or some free agent pick up, Palomalu, Will Allen, and Bryant McFaddon out of a secondary that is already considered the weakest link on the defense (like OLB was for the Broncos coming into the season).
I just don’t see that team winning many games.

by asdqqq on Oct 27, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Indianapolis

They have consistently lost players defensively, yet they still manage to win a massive amount of games in a given year, and play their best defense down the stretch.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, but until the Colts win some games where Mathis, Freeney, Sanders, Bullitt, and Jerraud Powers are all out, I’m just not seeing the comparison. Who is injured and at what positions matters more than the amount of injuries. Try to plug and play replacements for both Mathis and Freeney, along with a weakened secondary. Doesn’t work. Just like you can’t plug and play both Harrison and Woodley in Pitt or Doom and Ayers in Denver without substantially compromising the defense.

by asdqqq on Oct 27, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

That said, prior to the draft this year I had pass rushing OLB, field-stretching WR, and interior o-line as the top areas of need for the Broncos, and while they addressed the last 2, they ignored the first. You’ve got to have 3 of those pass rushers in today’s NFL because they are so important, so there is still some blame to go around for it being as bad as it is.

by asdqqq on Oct 27, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He’s ultimately responsible for his personnel. He’s only had control over this for 1 1/2 years. It’s coming. (Hey – the Prez says he can’t be responsible for the economy that he inherited since he’s only been on the job nearly 2 years!)

But I have to say that I LOVE hearing something like this!!! Gives me a “warm fuzzy” (absolutely NOT in a gay sense (“not that there’s anything wrong with it”)) that this coach that I REALLY want to believe in is THE GUY.

by CamboBronco on Oct 27, 2010 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

that was the best episode of seinfeld ever

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by grind_core on Oct 27, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure how much coaching you can really do.
… we need to either coach up the guys who are stepping in …

I think that if a player decides that something is a lost cause and isn’t worth the effort, he’s probably going to give in to that decision. No matter how much, or how well coached, he is. Sometimes things go exactly the opposite of what was expected, you get the emotional wind kicked out of you, your adrenalin level plumets from sky high to nothing left, and you just give up. It’s human nature and it’s a pretty tough thing to overcome, even for professional athletes. More so for rookies.

I think that’s what maybe happened early in the game against the Raiders, and to make it even worse, the adrenalin high that the Raiders were riding kept getting higher as the Broncos’ continued to plummet.

by CompUser on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah but,

I understand the feeling, and went through it in high school sports. However, the Giants were similarly down 20-0 very early in their game. There was absolutely no quit in them. They got fired up, and were leading 24-20 at halftime. Quite a different case. They did it primarily with their defense bringing immense pressure constantly until they KO’d Romo and then it was the Cowgirls who were deflated. When is this defense going to learn to bring the house? Even when we were down, I was amazed the Raiders kept putting the ball in the air. If you are down that big that early, doesn’t it make sense to blitz the living hell out of the opponent? What’s to lose at that point?

by Bradoncadonc on Oct 27, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't have an answer.

Maybe the Giants/Cowboys game wasn’t hyped up nearly so much as a 1-sided game like the Broncos/Raiders game was. Maybe the Giants players’ spirits weren’t deflated as suddenly and completely as the Bronco’s were. Were the Giants down 20-0 in the first five minutes of the game? Maybe the Cowboys thought they had the game in the bag and mentally let up a little, which is something the Raiders obviously didn’t do. There are numerous variables that are different in every game with every team. I don’t see the relevance of comparing two different games and two different teams like this, thinking they should have similar results. They’re just different in so many ways.

by CompUser on Oct 27, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, Giants were down 20 as fast as we were down 21. But you could see in their body language they got pissed, not scared. So it is a personal thing, based on experience likely. However, the way they dug out of the hole was by becoming the aggressor. They brought pressure until it changed the game (that is a strategic / coaching point). They didn’t do anything dirty, they just brough relentless pressure until it changed the game.

The other (personal vs. coaching) part I was driving at is eloquently captured by BroncoMarc below. Or,think Patrick Roy, Foote and Deadmarsh a la 1996 vs. Red Wings. They just simply were not going to be pushed around. I am not saying start fighting, but I am saying to meet an a$$ whopping with some agression, not meekness and shock. We’ll see this weekend I guess.

by Bradoncadonc on Oct 28, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

This team needs to stop playing passively

At a certain point there is no reason in playing defense passively. The defense obviously can’t control the gaps anyway. When the game is out of hand, what do you have to lose by taking risks and being aggressive?

Even if you’re getting blown out, (maybe even especially when you’re getting blown out) it’s psychologically important to deliver some knocks on the opponent. Kind of like when a hockey team is getting blown out they will send some bruisers out to start delivering some big hits. It’s saying “Hey, you beat us, but we’re not mentally whipped. You’re going to be sore when you leave our house.” Sadly, that isn’t the make of the the Broncos now. If there is one adjective to describe what the Broncos have become over the last year and a half, it would be “soft”. I’m going to start drinking now. Heavily.

by BroncoMarc on Oct 27, 2010 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

We were down 21 in the first five minutes

but even spotting them that we lost by twice that much. That tells me the (a) coach was right to question the mental toughness of the team, and (b) we may not have the talent we need to step in for our injured starters.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

What are players going to say?

That they think McDaniels is a bad coach and be in the doghouse forever?

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by SDcat09 on Oct 27, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Look at the way he said it

You don’t say “I’m not going to sugarcoat this” if you are just trying to cover your tail. He could have given a politically correct answer, but the quote seems very much his real opinion.

by wiebrod on Oct 27, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

What?

I found that answer to be completely politicaly correct. If my boss screwed up, I wouldn’t publicly point it out. (if I wanted to keep my job at least) In public I would say exactly something along the lines of what Haggen said.

by BroncoMarc on Oct 27, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Politically Correct

would be just a token response, but when you say that you aren’t going to sugar coat it, that means something different. Why say people may not understand it, but that’s that’s they way it is if you are just giving a token response.

If he was giving a token response he would just say that the coaches their job, we just didn’t perform. The way he said to me shows it’s how he feels.

I agree that if you were asked about something dealing with your boss you aren’t going to point it out, but you also aren’t going to add the extra comments he did if you are trying to be politically correct.

It’s okay for us to disagree, I could be wrong and you could be right, or vice versa, but in my opinion I see it differently.

by wiebrod on Oct 27, 2010 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

That wasn't the statement of someone covering his ass.

He was probably required by common sense not to blame his coach. But he went way further by actively defending Josh.

by Velveeta on Oct 27, 2010 12:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

RAWRRRRRRRRRRR!

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by aLuffabo on Oct 27, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

They would not say anything or say something more pc if it was McDaniels fault.

by Auz on Oct 27, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

he wouldn't say McD is a bad coach.

But he wouldn’t support his opinion with facts. In this case, Haggan supported his opinion with specific examples of situations where it was clearly NOT a coaching problem. He wouldn’t have done that if her were just giving lip service.

McD is as surprised as anyone, I think, to learn that he has so many quitters on the team that he built to specifically avoid that problem. Whether the players misrepresented themselves or whatever, the choice of such players is on he and Xanders.

It may not be his fault, but it is his problem.

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by HarvJNep2n on Oct 27, 2010 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Most players speak well of their coaches...especially when the chips are down.

A head coach must not only ensure that the players know what to do, but also motivate them to do what they must do.

by MoB.DeadMeat on Nov 3, 2010 3:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Looking into this further

What’s he suppose to say? Its not like football players have guaranteed contracts like other sports and he can say whatever he wants. He talks out he’s benched.

I guess this means the players are just incompetent.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 8:44 AM MDT reply actions  

or our injury situation is killing us

That didn’t help Shanny, and it won’t help McDaniels, but it definitely explains the precipitous drop.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

i thought it was only a matter of time before the injuries caught up with us. im proud the team isn’t blaming the injuries but when you have a team starting a bunch of 2nd teamers and undrafted free agents and rookies. it;ll only be a matter of time until teams figure out the very weak links. im glad goodman and dawkins are back practicing.

by slicka007 on Oct 27, 2010 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

they are?

Fantastic! Just hope it’s enough.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good post. Hits common sense on its head.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Amen brotha!

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Todd Haley and Rex Ryan

are doing a lot better.

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by bradley on Oct 27, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haley has Pioli

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good stuff!

And so happy to have that site around! ; )

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me too

2 awesome Bronco sites? Our fan cups runneth over!

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 28, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

the stats are interesting

but they take an overall view of team records and don’t seem to have much to do with how the teams are trending. i.e. i’d be more excited about everything if mcD’s record wasn’t front loaded at 6-0. jets, chiefs and maybe even the raiders seem to be moving the right general direction while the broncs seem to be flabby, sloppy and undisciplined. no time like the present to change that.

in any case, wow. i was wondering what happened to the dude. glad to see him back!

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

It’s not really trying to id trends, ie who’s hot. Guess it all depends how and when you look at it. Obviously McDaniel’s not trending the right way now, but midway thru the season last year he looked pretty darn good, even against the “great” Rex.

I’m very glad to have that site and those guys available again. 2 awesome sites, pure fan win.

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 28, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

If this wasn't what he felt he wouldn't have said anything at all

Players have never hid their discontent with a coach. They may not come out and say “Yeah, he should be fired,” but they make it obvious through eye rolls and saying things like “I don’t know what went wrong, we did everything coach told us to. Something’s got to change.” It’s not like this sort of thing hasn’t happened before. I remember hearing a story of when Shanahan was first coaching for us and still knew all of the Raiders play signals. He would tell the team EXACTLY what play was coming and they’d still run or throw it right past us. Sometimes no matter how prepared you are for a game, it can still blow up in your face. We came out flat and the Raiders came out strong. This is in no way McD’s fault. I’m still drinking his kool-aid and loving it, and can’t understand how so many people can jump off his bandwagon just because of one freaking game… even if it is to the Raiders.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 27, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

gotta be honest.

Ive never liked the coach. I was one of the guys always speaking out about him for the last two years. I’m not here to bash him though. I just dont think this is much of a story. He’s a LB on a the statistically worst ranked run defense. Saying anything but what he said is to be expected.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

True, he's on the statistically worst ranked run defense.

But don’t you think it would be easier for him to come up with excuses than blame himself? At least if you suggested you weren’t prepared, you might not look so bad. Going so far as to say McD was predicting their play calls is above and beyond just trying to keep his job with the Broncos. If a player is willing to throw himself under such a big bus, the coach must be doing the right things to inspire him.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 27, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

"Saying anything but what he said is to be expected."

I get that players better not say negative things about the coaches, and even that they sometimes need to kiss butt a little, but Hagan said a lot more than he needed to to curry favor.

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by bradley on Oct 27, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Especially given that he didn't have to say anything at all...

The typical, or politically correct, strategy in these kinds of instances is to just shut up, not call attention to yourself. The dude is standing up for something he thinks is wrong, and putting himself in the line of fire to do it, greatly damaging his own reputation if he is wrong.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 27, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s a LB on a the statistically worst ranked run defense.

I think this is very close to the point he is actually making. It’s not about whether his opinion is credible. It’s about how they are playing. Yes, the HC bears responsibility. But here is a player who knows he’s earned some as well.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just dont think its a story

I think we’re making a bigger deal of it than it is.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree on both points

but I do feel it reasonably refutes the Kreigerism that Josh has somehow “lost the team.” At least, until we hear someone say something otherwise.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I never really bored that train

That he lost the team. I’ve just never thought he was a good coach. I thought he was the newest hot shot OC to get hired and compared him to Brian Billick repeatedly. I implored people to wait and see but most MHR members said he was a genius and ripped me.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

well I wouldn't rip you for that, man

I’ve been wait and see all along. I just try to support him, because I feel he wants this team to be great.

And I think this is a valid question — are we floudering because he’s inexperienced, or because we don’t have the depth we need to sustain the pile of injuries we have? We’re missing starters at CB, LB, DL, and RB, and have youth and inexperience and walking wounded on the OL.

These aren’t just excuses, they are game breakers. Shanahan had the same problems his last few years, and the “well, everyone is injured” line didn’t save him. It won’t save Josh, either. He needs to coach up what he has on the field. The life of the HC means that you can only control what you can control, and there are many things that are not in your control that can cost you your job. That’s the NFL.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

But thats the rub.

I believe he made his own bed with lack of depth. I dont want to rehash the draft but I firmly believe he made major errors in his last 2 drafts. Its another debate that we’ve gone over 100x before.

If he doesnt have the personnel power I think he wouldnt be taking nearly as much heat as he is now.

Thats just my opinion.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

i'm still perplexed

about the O-line plan during the off season. i thought it was insane to go into the draft expecting to fill starting positions there—if that was indeed the plan— and i still do. i mean, there wasn’t a center on the team until after the draft. again, i’m no expert, but…??

by oxmouth on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

And who exactly would you have gone after as a Center....

I don’t remember many highly sought after Centers available in FA. Would you prefer he sign someone to a position just to fill a spot? What was available in the draft was a better option than what was available through FA, can’t blame him for that.

by Kgrone on Oct 27, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

like i said, i'm not a GM

and i’m just giving an opinion. the O-line looks like crap and you can blame the players for that or the coach/GM. i’m good with the guys we drafted at their postitions so that’s not the issue. i think that not having anyone at all at a position at draft time puts you in a bit of panic is all—find a starter or else.

you’re right though, there weren’t a lot of FA centers but there were guys available who could back up or at least be learning the offense in case—and who could imagine this happening—your starting rookie center and guard struggle in their first season.

as much crap as ben hamilton and wiegman got last year, they’re both starters now and wiegman’s looking almost pro bowl in KC. i’m sure there were money issues there, so whatever, they probably weren’t signable, but guys like that seem like decent backup options at least. the O-line derth could even go back to the year prior, but something’s up there.

i’m not a fire mcDaniels guy. it’s just something i don’t understand and i’m curious about.

by oxmouth on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I actually dont mind the Oline plan

I think its par for the course. Of course, I never expected anything out of this team this year so that could be a big part of it.

Basically, I’m a big believer in this was bound to happen. Consistently playing .500 ball didnt allow the team to progress. If you look back on all the good teams in football usually before they hit elite status they had a few down years. IMO this is a good thing for Denver long term. Bad thing short term.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

well, hmm...

so you think there’ve been major mistakes in the last two drafts and that the broncos lack depth… but not on the offensive line? i agree with you that teams can get worse before they get better, but i guess i don’t see the O-line as a place where those things haven’t come into play.

eh, whatever. i guess we disagree and it wouldn’t be the first time that happened on MHR.

by oxmouth on Oct 27, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

hard to explain in words

Basically, I like the players they picked up. I think they need to play as rooks to get exposed and learn. If I could change anything I would put Beadles at guard where he was projected to play and Harris at RT. I would do this for both business and for the hopefully giving the team the best shot to win. The business side is I’m pretty sure Harris is a FA at the end of the year and it would be nice to see if he has anything in the tank before letting him walk or giving him money to stay.HE seemed alright before the injury. Plus, Hochstein doesnt seem very good to me or Stanley Daniels

The problem I have with the draft is I believe you can pick up guards and centers in the 3rd -7th rounds.(glad they didnt draft Pouncey in round 1) In 2009 Denver selected two players who didnt even make the 2nd year with the team. Because of this they were forced to spend 2010 draft picks on a guard and center. Its like the Phonz trade. So many people on MHR said the Phonz trade was alright because Cox and Thompson were playing alright. I never really subscribed to that sort of thinking. Its ass backwards if you ask me. A failed draft pick is a failed draft pick. Good teams who manage to stay competitive over time dont usually miss on many picks. Plus, if Phonz had played up to his draft position it wouldve only created a good situation were Denver had a surplus. AS it stands now he was traded for a player who wouldve been dropped.

Not sure if you follow me. Certain aspects of the team I like. Certain aspects of the team I dont like. I can honestly say this is exactly how I thought Denver would do.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

gotcha.

and well said. we don’t disagree much. i picked 8-8, so not high expectations either… at least i’m hoping it wasn’t..? some things you pointed out though, like the 2009 O-liners, play into my angst about what mcD’s got going on there and i think it affected this year’s draft to the point where you’ve now got to guaran-damn-tee that your line picks start immediately or make a sizable impact because you don’t even have a body there.

i like the guys we drafted this year too, but i’m getting more and more concerned that it might not be player issues since everyone who goes into this line seems to be going backwards. i mentioned wiegman earlier, not so much because i think we should’ve kept him but because he’s suddenly playing well again since he left. we’ll see what happens, i guess….

by oxmouth on Oct 27, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

well we definitely agree

About players leaving and playing better elsewhere. Clady and Harris regressing is concerning as well.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maurkice Pouncey Was on the Board when it was Denvers 1st pick.....

Now the starting center for Pittsburgh, he would have been a very nice pick.

by KMA on Oct 27, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

no he wasn't

Iupati and Pouncey were both taken before Demaryius Thomas. And #11 would have been too early for either.

by tunesmith on Oct 28, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

to me, that's just planning for the future

Expecting most rooks to start off like Ryan Clady is fantasy, since we all know the O-line has a prerequisite learning process associated with it, but they probably would be serviceable if it wasn’t for the injuries and lack of depth.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

not disagreeing

but even so it seems that we’ve probably got enough talent to weather one or two starters missing, not the long roster that we’ve seen go down. This is an unusual year for us in many ways, none of them good.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think

people are making “a bigger deal of it than it is” – about McDaniels not being a worthy Head Coach. This was a very relevant statement. Story? Maybe not quite, but at this particular corner in time, this statement (and who it’s coming from) is more than relevant.

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 27, 2010 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's all Ortons fault:P

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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 27, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I blame Cutler

If he had just left this team with a winning record, we could have had a few MORE picks for him and solidified the depth that’s killin’ us now. ; )

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

Players who aren’t happy with their coaches usually speak out in one way or another. The fact that guys on the team support McD tells me he’s not has hapless as some folks believe and are taking accountability.

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by bcfunk on Oct 27, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

If its not preparation

Then its players and once again the buck stops with Josh.

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by ChristianL on Oct 27, 2010 8:50 AM MDT reply actions  

That is good to hear

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 8:50 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Why. We’ver heard this several times over the last 23 games.

Guess once more can’t hurt, but it has become white noise at this point. Go read the press clippings after the Raider and KC games last year, or the Jags game, or the Colts game or the Washington game, or …

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am just a positive guy

After all you’ve said about us having locker room issues, this is good to hear. It’s not white noise because if we were to listen to you, who says we have locker room problems, this is exactly the opposite of a locker room problem.

If they keep defending the coach, at least we know there are not MAJOR problems internally.

If that makes sense.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not really.

I’m a seeing is believing kind of guy. Results driven 100%. Do what you say and say what you mean.

Saying there is not a locker room problem is one thing. Seeing Champ quit in the 2nd quarter and Clady turn the other way on Moreno is another.

There is a lot of season left, but early results are very disappointing and it’s becoming bad habit for this team to say one thing and do another. When does that stop happening?

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Those are two different things entirely

Saying this team has a locker room problem and SEEING that this team has hissy fits when they are losing are two completely different and unrelated things.

You said that we have a locker room problem, and essentially that we’d be remiss to not believe the same. Clearly, from what we have SEEN and HEARD, there is no locker room problem.

The problem is losing. When does it stop happening? Hopefully Sunday against the niners.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps it’s just losing, perhaps its more. The Raiders game and KC game last year lead me down the path of locker room problems.

Clady has me worried more than any single player. He is our best player (supposedly), but he also seems to be the most disgruntled when you watch him the field. He really stuck out to me in several of the recent blowouts (for all the wrong reasons). I’ll be watching him very closely the next few weeks to see where his head is at.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am super worried about Clady also

I know the guy’s knee is shot but he lays down sometimes.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

You are much higher on the McD Broncos than I. So lets do some research on this Clady thing.

Your and my homework assignment is to watch Clady closely the next four weeks (two distinct view points on the Broncos present and future).

We can report back our findings after four games. Sound good?

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I for one will be quite intrigued by what you find

Really does seem like an appropriate time to question the prevailing assumptions.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

sounds like a plan bro

will do. Report back to headquarters in 4 weeks.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll watch him too

I love watching Clady (when he’s playing at his best, i.e. not with this injury). He just dominates whatever comes at him.

by black_knight101 on Oct 27, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

sadly, this does not convince either side of the McD debate. Nothing anyone says will swing one’s vote. Performance on the field is the only way this whole thing gets settled. Squawking about it from all sides means nothing until game time.

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by Orange and Blue on Oct 27, 2010 8:54 AM MDT reply actions  

It’s all wait and see anyway til the end of the season. Until then, as William Goldman famously quipped, “Nobody knows nothin.”

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

What bothers me is it all seems to be coming from the inside.

NFL Replay just did a segment on coaches on the hot seat and McD didn’t even make it. I’m surrounded by Chief fans every day, and they seem to almost hope we get rid of him because they see him as a threat. I’ve never seen them smile so big when they ask if we’ve given up on McD yet. And no, it’s not coming from them mocking a down team, at least not the fans I associate myself with. These are guys who know what it feels like to be at the bottom, and know how I treat them in the same situation.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 27, 2010 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I knew someone was going to say that.

Just waiting to see who would hit that softball. ; )

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

you got me!

"They are who we thought they were!"

by gcman on Oct 27, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

Your prize is a W this weekend. Let’s hope anyway. : /

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

funny thing is...I'm still all in on the Broncos.

I was trying to get a new orange Broncos jersey last week…didn’t have time. I will go this week and get my new jersey…I’m just having trouble deciding what name and number.

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by gcman on Oct 27, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

55

is making his case this season, IMO. I’m looking at that one hard.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Do what I did

Get your own name and number. In 10 years maybe 1 percent of the roster will still be there. I know I will be cheering for them until the day I die.

by relocated bronco in NC on Oct 27, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bingo!

Officially on record with a 10-6 prediction for 2010! (8/21/10)

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by Broncotodd on Oct 27, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mario Haggan and Champ Bailey were two guys that were the most obvious quitters on Sunday. Haggan reminded me of Nate Webster in that game.

So you are right, it’s not just the coach. It’s SPECIFICALLY you Mario Haggan. You should be playing for your job this Sunday since there are plenty of Nate Webster’s out there and you have been one of them lately.

And Champ, you might actually want to try next game as well. No one is going to sign you to a big new deal just to watch you lazily chase RBs and WRs around without much effort.

This talk the talk and don’t walk the walk crap out of our players has got to stop. We heard this same garbage last season before the KC home game from guys like Graham, Bailey and Orton. Then all three (specifically those three) proceed to play their worst game of the season in that debacle.

There is more hot air coming out of Dove Valley than at any time I can ever remember.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 9:15 AM MDT reply actions  

I can't remember a time

when we needed a W more. And I can remember a lot of times we needed a W.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I said the exact same thing last week.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sensing a theme here? ; )

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep. Just like this quote from Haggan, which I swear I’ve read several other times from guys like Graham, Orton, Bailey, Holliday, BMarsh, Buckhalter, Dawkins, Hill, etc.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Links please

I don’t remember hearing this before from any specific players. Provide some backup please.

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by sadaraine on Oct 27, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

last year a lot of them said the same thing

by Todd Jewell on Oct 27, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

The stuff before the KC game last season was the worst and most like this sound bit today.

Vonnie Holliday had the most candid interview back in April (same day we traded Marshall). I can’t link a radio interview, but it was fascinating.

For the sake of accuracy and truth, Vonnie said several nice things about McD and his football mind. He went out of his way to be complimentary and refute an interviewer that has clearly hostile towards McD. It was far from a rip session of Vonnie’s former coach. That is what was so great about the interview.

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by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I remember that

That was a great interview. Holliday seems like a great guy.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's with Washington now.

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by bradley on Oct 27, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

this thrashing was a total team effort. Crappy head coaching alone could not produce this debacle. It took crappy playing, crappy assistant coaching, crappy positional coaching and a toal void of leadership. Yep, a real team effort.

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by firstfan on Oct 27, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dude, you are preaching to the choir. Several of our players disgraced themselves on Sunday. The sad thing is it wasn’t just the backups for the injured guys.

It was players like Champ, Clady, Kuper, Lloyd, and Hill. Guys that will still be playing when/if our injured players come back.

Champ Bailey and Clady can’t blame injuries on their lack of effort Sunday. That was all on those two.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

there are plenty of Nate Webster’s out there

coincidentally, Nate Webster is one of the Nate Websters out there.

by oxmouth on Oct 27, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

If we just signed LeKevin Smith, this could be around the corner.

Careful.

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by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

Still doin’ yoga, I bet. ; )

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

a few things...

First off…no professional player is gonna come out and say that the coach didn’t prepare his players…until they leave. I wonder what players like Hillis, Sheff, Marshall, A. Smith, etc would say if asked.

Second, if the players are so prepared…and they know what is gonna happen and they still don’t stop it or shut it down…those players need to go. If the defense can’t shut something down when they know it is gonna happen, then those players aren’t worth having around.

Third…for anyone to say that we are still in Shanny’s mess…get real. Shanny left a mess on defense and left a good solid offense to work with. It was McD in all his youthful enthusiasm and lack of lifelong experience and wisdom that decided to blow up basically the whole team. So, we are now in McD’s mess.

Fourth…I do, IMHO, attribute the Broncos lack of success to the coaching staff. A staff that McD put together. A staff that is really not very good. Let me put it to you this way…if McD were to, god forbid, get in some sort of accident and be laid up for a while, which assistant coach would take the reins? Woud you want Wink Martindale to coach this team? Josh’s brother? The horrible special teams coach? Who is our offensive coordinator again? Really…how much experience and wisdom is available on the Broncos sidelines? And what the hell was Josh doing but standing alone on the sidelines and pouting.

Fifth…the injury situation. Yes we have been decimated by injuries. But guess what. Good teams make do…take NE couple years ago when Brady went out. He was by far their most important player. His team rallied and made a decent season out of it. And this season…Green Bay now has 9 players on IR…NINE! And not just scrubs either. Important personnel. Yet, they are scratching and clawing their way to 4-3 at this point. So…that’s what good teams do…we are not a good team.

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by gcman on Oct 27, 2010 9:18 AM MDT reply actions  

In your example, I’d let Brain Dawkins coach the team.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dawkins is gone next year

Cant see Denver bringing him back.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

You are drifting into reality. I’m answering an off the wall hypothetical.

I have no idea whom the assistant coach would be. Mike Nolan last year, but we don’t have a candidate this season so I picked Dawkins. Player coach. That would be awesome.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

No doubt

at least keep him as a sideline/halftime motivational speaker. "You guys are like a bunch of crazed dogs! snot bubbles flyin out your nose! TAKE IT, TAKE IT! How can you not love BDawk?

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he plays

Just not in Denver.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dawkins sorry

I think he plays next year just not in Denver. I like him but he is a major concern in pass coverage. Plus, you drafted two young safeties going into their 3rd year. They need to see the field.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

It would be great if Mc"Ice"Bath

could get on the field for more than 2 games. The kid has potential. I like Bruton, just not sure he’s a starter on D (definitely is on ST). We need to upgrade this Safety core in the draft.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Definitely

I want to see him play this year.

What did he injure again?

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he injured

his very being or just his entire skeleton, I’m not sure.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is very noble.

But the buck stops at the head coach’s desk. The team was unprepared, and it is the coach’s job to prepare them. There’s enough blame to go around to the whole staff and every man out there on the field.

It’s everyone’s fault, but the man on the hook is the coach.

Winning cures everything. Win some games, Mario. Then it goes away.

It could always be worse. Oh, wait. Never mind, it already is.

by TheMastermind on Oct 27, 2010 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

It's ironic to me that Haggan is the one who commented about setting the edge . . .

Did anyone besides me notice Haggan’s play? It seemed every time the Raiders ran his way, he was CRUSHED by the very blocks that sprang the runner. Haggan, and Haggan alone, was the very reason for some of those long runs. If he is the best the Broncos have on the outside after Ayers went down, I fear for the Broncos, with Frank Gore on the horizon . . .
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by AZDynamics on Oct 27, 2010 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Well...

Often those with the most to answer for are the quickest to offer an excuse.

It could always be worse. Oh, wait. Never mind, it already is.

by TheMastermind on Oct 27, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

He wasn't making an excuse though

he was taking responsibility for his obviously terrible play on Sunday.

You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.

by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 28, 2010 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

He is trying to save his job and paycheck. But no amount of butt kissing is going to work if he keeps playing like Jamie Winborn circa December 2008.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

ROTFL

I love some 2008 Broncos D name dropping, it makes me feel better about the current squad. How about some “De’Wayne Robertson”, he was worth the trade – SHAME!!!!! I could have gone the Marquand Manuel route but I chose the high road. – SHAME!!!!!!
sorry.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marquand Manuel was the single least talented Bronco starter of all time. – FACT.

We didn’t trade anything for Robertson because he didn’t hit the playing time incentives. He stunk for us, but at no cost. The Jets wasted a #4 overall pick on that guy. OUCH!

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by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Idk

I think Lowery was worse than Marquand Manuel….lol

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by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 27, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

No. Lowry even had a INT.

Manual was #1 worst Bronco of all time.

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by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marlon McCree - SHAME!!!!!

A quote from Dre’ Bly – “Man, you know, the difference between me and Champ, man, you know, Is that, man, you know, I’ve got, man, you know, hands and Champ, you know, don’t.” IMO Dre’, the difference between you and Champ is that you suck and Champ is a HOF’er. That and, man, you know, he’s employed. SHAME!!!!!!!!

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bly has the ring

But what a useless player for Denver.

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by johnnystarr on Oct 27, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Roderisck rodgers...brought up from PS to starter to cut...what a great career!

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by boydy2669 on Oct 27, 2010 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Guys

I am viewing this merely as a mea culpa and an admission that the team is not playing like they need to. I don’t see how this season can be saved at this point, and I’m not throwing a lot of hope that way.

But I will be very interested to see how the players, and the HC, respond to a season like this one. Are we going to mail it in over the next 9 games? Or are we going to play the best we can with the disadvantages we have? McDaniels may well get another season, even two, to prove himself.

In my mind, much of Pat Bowlen’s confidence is on the line by how they perform the rest of the season. Not necessarily by Ws, which will be difficult to get, but by attitude and aptitude.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:29 AM MDT reply actions  

should have read

“BUT in my mind…”

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

Man, I know exactly what you mean.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

No matter how injury ridden we are or how outmatched we are out there, there is no excuse to stop playing with intensity like we did on Sunday. That was the most embarrassing part about that game for me. I can support a team that plays hard no matter what, I can’t say the same about the team I watched vs. the Raiders.

You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.

by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 28, 2010 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

The season can be saved...

Just to try and grow that shimmer of hope you have… Just remember, we have the third easiest schedule from here on out in the weakest division in the NFL. The Chargers did it last year, and we can do it this year. We just need a win in London, then use the bye week to prepare for the Chiefs and we can turn this thing around. Until we fail to do so, I’m not going to allow myself to think any differently… too painful.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 27, 2010 9:32 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I'd love to share your optimism.

But I don’t. Just win some MF’ing games, Broncos. That’s all.

Enough talk, enough analysis, enough excuses. Just. Win. Some. Games. That’s your job, boys.

It could always be worse. Oh, wait. Never mind, it already is.

by TheMastermind on Oct 27, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or you get fired and replaced. Haggan – I’m looking directly at you.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm Sadaraine

…and I approve this message.

Win some MFing games or go sell cell phones.

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by sadaraine on Oct 27, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

dang.

tatum, we hardly knew ya. i guess i’ll take the roll over plan though…

by oxmouth on Oct 27, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

and steal

teammates’ luggage in the D!

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

No finger pointing

I truly believe that it is the coach, and the fact that Haggan says it isn’t makes no sense. A true NFL coach would tell all of his players to blame him for all things on the field. A true NFL coach would only point the finger at himself and no one else. McD has failed to do that.

By not doing this he is putting way too much pressure on the players; the players need to be relieved of any extra pressure after each and every game and come into the next contest fresh. Their minds must be completely clear and devoid of any of the previous weeks errors, bad plays, bad decisions, etc. It is the coaches role to do these things, why doesn’t he step up and do this, probably because he is full of indecision and a fear of losing his coveted seat on this great franchise.

All the greatest coaches throughout the history of the NFL always blamed themselves for everything that went on on the field, and the best and most successful coaches that presently hold these positions today also do the same thing.

by GWobbs on Oct 27, 2010 10:16 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't think the way McD handles losses is any different....

Most coaches will say something to the affect of ‘we got outplayed, and outcoached, and they were better than us today". I’ll work up some quotes from Cowher, Shanny, Parcells, Belichek if needed, but that’s a pretty standard postgame comment and most any coach makes it (worded one way or another).

by Kgrone on Oct 27, 2010 11:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Props

to Mario for saying this. Now, you and your teammates need to play better PLEASE!

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM MDT reply actions  

I love Haggan

he would be the perfect backup ILB, OLB/DE, ST. As a starter, not so much. It seemed like the Chargers stole that Butler away from us in the 3rd and I wonder if he was targeted by McX.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the plus side...

This is encouraging to read/hear, especially amidst all the “lost his players” and “divided lockerroom” allegations.

On the negative side… That’s nice and all, Mario, and thanks for that… now go out, focus, and do your MF job the rest of the season, or you may not be around to defend your coach next year.

by tunga77 on Oct 27, 2010 11:44 AM MDT reply actions  

the first step on the road to recovery

is admitting you have a problem. ; )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes, at least they are not delusional or in denial.

reminds of that time, where the Lions got crushed and Roy Williams (or was it Rodgers?) said after the game that it was “sick how close they came to scoring 70 points” … when they weren’t even close!

by tunga77 on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

In McD's presser yesterday

it was mentioned that some of the players said they were pushed too hard in practice. What players suposedly said this?

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 12:07 PM MDT reply actions  

This sissy ones.

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

138 comments for a fanshot!

Finally MHR is recognizing these! Fanposts here (me included) are usually just opinions and kool-aid drinkers convincing everyone to stay optimistic. Fanshots got the facts and its about time people recognize them

by DBroncs1414 on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Fanshots

should be called FACT Shots, just saying….

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 27, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Onto this quote though

Glad to see it after DP has been saying McD is losing his players. Haggan, might not be very talented, but he’s a captain for a reason. Way to stick up and not point the finger in times of duress Haggan, you truly are a great leader

by DBroncs1414 on Oct 27, 2010 12:18 PM MDT reply actions  

NFP:

Another blackout looming for the Chargers. Those fake bake sods….

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 27, 2010 12:20 PM MDT reply actions  

But it's such a crummy game

I mean, it’s just the Titans.

Take it easy, but take it. Studs Terkel

by bradley on Oct 27, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Off Topic sort of

Have you guys seen this garbage on NFL Network, entitled “Shame” (super original, by the way) It’s this uber-dorky dude, running down the worst performances of the week followed by a shout out of “SSHHAAMME.” Kind of like “CMON MAN” only much, much gayer.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 12:22 PM MDT reply actions  

You

can say that without getting blocked? I hope so because it’s good having you here!

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 27, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks BFather

if you were referring to the last word used, sorry, I’ll say it no more. I’m kinda new and still figuring out what’s acceptable or not.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well

I called CPT. Caveman a mean word that rhymes with bard and was given a stiff warning. Just looking out for my friends…..

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 27, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

ROTFL

Caveman is the most “worried about Bronco affairs” Chief fan in the entire world. I’ve had my run-ins with him on MANY occasions.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey I'll stick up for Caveman

I have never found him to be anything other than a good guy, a smart fan (well, as smart as anyone can be rooting for that team lol), and an all around solid house guest. He was hanging at MHR for awhile because the guys at AP didn’t seem to appreciate his upbeat prediction for their season. He was actually pretty dead on.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of upbeat predictions for the Chiefs...

Where’s Alex been? Was right here with the CPT debating our fortunes during the offseason. Spirited debates, those were…

R-E-S-T-E-C-P! Find out what ya mean to me.. R-E-S-C-E-T-P! ... 10-6 motha@$#%!! You know how'ta spell it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6J_zw29RY (mild cursing. ahem.)

by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

lmao

Not sure, but I do love that sig!

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol -- athanku

Old school Eddie never gets old.

R-E-S-T-E-C-P! Find out what ya mean to me.. R-E-S-C-E-T-P! ... 10-6 motha@$#%!! You know how'ta spell it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6J_zw29RY (mild cursing. ahem.)

by ArrowSpread on Oct 28, 2010 6:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

No offense to Haggen

But he owes his paycheck to McDaniels, so doubtful he is going to come out and blast the guy who made him a starter in this league, to my knowledge, he is the only player in league history that was a backup for 6 years and then became a starter.

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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
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by Broncoman on Oct 27, 2010 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

That is what I’m saying. Coming for Haggen, this means very little to nothing at all. Now if DJ said this…

I have as much enthusiasm to talk Broncos as my team showed when they played the Raiders.

by McGeorge on Oct 27, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're correct McG

If there’s anyone in this world that’s a McD supporter, it’s Mario Haggan. The guy kind of has no choice to be biased.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is it hard to imagine DJ saying this?

He was letting into the team BIG TIME during the first quarter, as I recall.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

good to hear

But if a team comes into a game too high/too low, and then lays down and dies when hit by some adversity, you have to put that on coaching.

Lots of aspects to coaching, and McD may be great in terms of game prep… but even though I’m a huge McD supporter (and think he generally has done much more right than wrong), this game reflects extremely poorly on him and his staff.

 If the team doesn’t turn around this year and show something (not necessarily wins and playoffs, but at least competitiveness), he may not be the right person to coach the Denver Broncos. He has 9 games to prove himself now, but he just lost the benefit of the doubt.

by cjfarls on Oct 27, 2010 1:24 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I would have loved to been a fly on the wall

in that locker room after the game Sunday. I would also like to hear the phone conversation between McD and his Dad after that game – Son, I’m going to give you a Z grade for that performance.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 27, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's got reality tv coming out it's pores:

mcD and sons — follow the mcD boys as they navigate their way through the love, laughter and hard knocks of salaried football.

i’d watch.

by oxmouth on Oct 27, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

I’m afraid i’m guilty of reading a pretty juvenile juxtaposition in that comment of yours. ; )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does anyone have ESPN insider access?

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by Nick Cast on Oct 27, 2010 2:57 PM MDT reply actions  

WELL???

lol We’re waiting. : )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2010 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

still waiting, montana?

i’ve been staring at this space for 24 hours straight. nothing yet…

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aren't you hungry?

Or don’t you at least have to take a leak?

by CamboBronco on Oct 28, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes.

(shifts testily)

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 3:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

what are the symptoms

of going septic?

just wondering…

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe nobody wants to have their MHR cred called into question

by purchasing a mainstream media account.

: )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 4:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Okay I did it

Adam says too early to say right now, but if things continue to slide, Bowlen may be forced to review available candidates. Thanks a lot, Schef. That was a Bill Williamson answer, not a Former President of the NFL Writers Association answer.

This is why I don’t buy those accounts. I’m canceling this instant.

Well, maybe after I read that bit about how Ryan Matthews isn’t living up to his first round status. ; )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh for pete's sake.

that’s the stupidest… GAAHH!!!!

well, thanks for breaking down and going in, montana. you’re a true leader of men (and maybe women, too, i don’t know about that).

i’m going to the bathroom.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

have to admit

I’ve always been morbidly curious what it’s like on the other side of that ESPN velvet rope. Now I know. The content pretty much just as lame as you imagine it is, but hey — at least they give you a lot of it. : /

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

did you

see anyone famous? are there beer girls with free beer? did you get to shake john clayton’s hand or see his ponytail up close? did you get decoder ring? does espn insiders secretly control the vatican?

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

okay, you didn't hear this from me

- Tony Romo was dancing with every girl from the ESPN The Magazine circulation department.
- There are mirrorballs, beer taps, subwoofers, and honeybuckets built into every easy chair.
- John Clayton is foul mouthed, mean drunk.
- The ponytail is a clip on.
- Bill Williamson is the cigar chomping life of the MFn party and “takes care of everyone”, if you get my meaning.
- Terry Tate Office Linebacker is fictional.
- Scott Van Pelt’s glasses are just stage props he wears to make himself intellectual.
- Kenny Mayne isn’t actually funny in real life.
- The decoder ring and vatican conspiracy angles are bogus. But the NFL Scoreboard is exactly what I always suspected — guys just making up numbers randomly.

Oh, and something you always knew was true: Tom Jackson is the baddest MFer to step foot in the building. He even has a wallet that says Bad MFer.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh

and when Mortenson is in drag, he looks just like Milton Berle.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

he…? oh. milton… oh.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

excellent info.

i always wanted a honeybucket. i think.

i wish you could’ve nabbed the ponytail, but i’m glad to hear about williamson. he’s a likable sort, if maybe not the most skilled writer.
it’s also a relief to know that NFL scoreboard is made up—they REALLY jacked up the broncos numbers last week.

kenny mayne —psssh. he’s not even funny sober.

TJ has a wallet chain, too, i’ll wager.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

I like Kenny Mayne. Wry humor is my favorite kind. I was laughing aloud when I wrote that line about him because it’s exactly the kind of joke that he would say.

And yeah, I’m that guy who laughs at his own asinine jokes. : )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

i’m with you on the wry. something about kenny though… i don’t know… like he tries too hard or something. eh, he’s alright though. funnier than clayton.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Schef did point out

that Bowlen has established a pattern, going from experienced coach (Reeves) to inexperienced coach (Phillips) to experienced coach (Shanahan) to inexperienced coach (McDaniels) and ventured a guess that whenever the time comes to pick a McDaniels successor, if Pat’s still around, it would most likely not be another young up and comer.

But I’m not sure I buy that Phillips was any more “inexperienced” than Shanahan — he was a DC for 7 years (3 at Philly, 4 at Denver) before becoming HC. That’s not much less experience than Shanny had, the Raiders HC gig notwithstanding. Actually, I had the impression that Pat liked Josh because he saw him in the Shanahan mold, only a Belechickian version.

Love you Schefty, but I miss the days when you were knocking them routinely out of the park at the DP.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

i guess that’s okay insight. i think i can still manage not to pay for it though.

i’m with you—it’s an interesting take from schefler but not a ton of substance. small sample pool to start with, along with the phillips thing you’re talking about. also, if mcD didn’t work out, i would think pretty much any owner would want to go back to someone with more of a track record to get things back on… well, track, i guess. so it’s not so much a pattern as average likely reaction.

all in all i think i’ll spend my insider money on martinis or something.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Oct 28, 2010 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey

If i did nothing else than validate and vindicate our cynicism about MSM, it was money well spent. : )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Oct 28, 2010 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't care what he says

I just hope he’s not covering Vernon Davis….the thought alone sends me shaking into the fetal position sucking my thumb

Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?

by T.Dot_Bronco on Oct 27, 2010 5:26 PM MDT reply actions  

lol. word.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

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