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Patriots Talk Of Randy Moss Trade Gives Insight Into Broncos Style

FOXBORO MA - SEPTEMBER 12: Randy Moss #81 of the New England Patriots gestures before the NFL season opener against the Cincinnati Bengals at Gillette Stadium on September 12 2010 in Foxboro Massachusetts. (Photo by Jim Rogash/Getty Images)

Word around the campfire is the Patriots and Vikings are in talks to bring WR Randy Moss back to Minnesota.  This on the heels of Moss' vocal displeasure weeks ago about his contract - or lack-thereof - and most recently his alleged unhappiness with the goose-egg he put up in the stat sheet last night against the Dolphins - something that hadn't happened since 2006.

What does this have to do with the Broncos?  Well, maybe nothing.  It might, however, give you some insight about how the Broncos handle personnel, and how they might handle it in the future.  Stick with me.

The Patriots traded low for Randy Moss back during the 2007 NFL Draft.  The Patriots sent a 4th Round pick to the Raiders for a guy that was in his prime and still could get it done.  The question, of course, was would Moss be motivated to play.  In his two seasons in Oakland, Moss caught 102 passes - combined - and by the end of his second year was a shell of the player that took the NFL by storm for the Vikings from 1998-2004.  Moss, after all, wason pace to break many of Jerry Rice's records.  He was that good, that early.

What the Patriots knew, however, was that Moss was in the final year of his contract.  If he wanted a big payday - and the respect and legacy that is only reserved for Super Bowl winners, Moss needed to play hard.  The Patriots took advantage, bought low, and added an extremely talented, yet combustible, player to the locker room.

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The key, however, was the Patriots were built to support a player like Moss.  The locker room was filled with veterans like Tedy Bruschi, Troy Brown, Corey Dillon, Mike Vrabel, Richard Seymour, Rodney Harrison and of course, Tom Brady.  That was exactly what Moss needed at the time.  Moss knew it and the Patriots knew it.

Without going into a complete history lesson we all know what happened.  The Patriots, with Moss and Brady firing on all cylinders, had the most explosive offensive attack in the history of the NFL.  Moss' 23 touchdowns in 2007 broke a NFL record.  The Patriots did everything, except win a Super Bowl.

That didn't stop the Patriots from signing Moss to a 3-year, $27 million contract after the season.  In a way, Moss took less money to stay with New England.  It was a good situation.  Tom Brady, a decent paycheck and the chance to win Super Bowls every year.

Then Brady got hurt.

In a lot of ways, that changed things for Moss and the Patriots.  Sure, New England won 11 games, but Moss' production went down.  The Patriots missed the playoffs too.  The age was starting to show on defense.  Bill Belichick knew he had to try and rebuild on the fly. 

That process began before last season when the Patriots traded Vrabel and Seymour to Kansas City and Oakland respectively.  Rodney Harrison and Corey Dillon retired.  Gone were Ellis Hobbs and Asante Samuel.  The Patriots revamped their secondary with draft picks.  All the while, Moss' displeasure seemed to grow.

That displeasure reached a boiling point this summer during Training Camp when Moss went public saying he felt disrespected that the Patriots hadn't approached him about a contract extension.  Moss knew that going public would anger the Patriots - as it did with Samuel and WR Deion Branch.

My belief is the Patriots were growing tired of Moss as well.  You can afford to have a personality like Moss in your locker room when it is full of respected veterans, guys that can keep order amongst themselves.  Roster turnover, however, creates less structure for Moss - and an unhappy Randy Moss is a dangerous Randy Moss in the locker room.

It all seems to have come to a head today, with Moss unhappy after a game his team won by 31 points - but he had no catches.  This is, after all, a contract year.  After 4 games, Moss has just 9 receptions for 139 yards.  The Patriots are 3-1.  In a lot of ways the team is moving back towards the philosophy they used to win 3 Super Bowls - team.

Focus now on the Broncos.  They have made moves that past couple of years to rid themselves of players they felt did not buy into that concept.  I'm not here to fan the flames of a dead argument, but the Randy Moss situation is somewhat similar - if only backwards.

The Broncos want that team-first attitude.  The same one the Patriots had when they won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years.  Sure, the acquisition of Moss has to be considered a success for the price paid, and it almost got them a Super Bowl, but the time has come to move on as the Patriots head into a 'reloading phase'.

The Broncos, too, are in that phase.  They targeted the players they felt needed to go, and have rewarded the players they feel can become that locker room of strong, dependable, team-first veterans. 

That also means, that when the time comes, the Broncos will have a locker room that would allow them to take advantage of another team's situation, like the Patriots did with Moss, even if that player has had 'issues'.  Buy low, sell high.

The rumor is the Patriots would get a 3rd Round pick from Minnesota.  Not bad for a 33-year old receiver, especially considering they only gave up a 4th Rounder to get him at age 29. 

The Broncos, too, could possibly be in a situation like this.  It's the business of football, and like the Patriots or not few do it better.  Josh McDaniels learned from the best, and the Broncos are better for it.

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Good article Bena...

Like most Bronco fans I’m curious to see how the front office will handle Orton come end of next year especially if Kyle keeps playing at a high level. The Patriot way I’m sure is to sell high and get draft picks for Orton, but something tells me that McXanders might hang on to Kyle a bit longer…

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by CombatChuk on Oct 5, 2010 9:33 PM MDT reply actions  

I think we will find out

the answer to that question when there is a new CBA.

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by KaptainKirk on Oct 5, 2010 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

Im interested to see what they do with Kyle to if he leans toward Tebow being the starter maybe we can get some tough O-line guys or a big halfback to help us in the run game

GO BRONCOS beat the Ravens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Taylor K on Oct 5, 2010 9:46 PM MDT reply actions  

A tangential non sequiter...

If the Seahawks could pry Marshawn Lynch loose from the Bills, why not the Broncos?…I watched him pile up yards for Cal and he is a big bruising back with good speed who could actually carry a team and then be complementary to Moreno when he is back….missed opportunity….Pete Carroll had him on the radar from his days in the Pac 10….

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by Hugo Norton on Oct 5, 2010 10:22 PM MDT reply actions  

A great point...

…on the other hand, it would be nice to have a bit of a running game…Orton has played well, and the receivers are everything we could ask for, but opposing defenses will be pinning their ears back in pursuit of Orton each time he drops back…he is not the most mobile guy, and it only takes one good hit to do damage….it is a difficult problem, but just because we have not solved the problem doesn’t mean we can give up…

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by Hugo Norton on Oct 5, 2010 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Moreno and Buch were here last year and are not producingas last year. I don’t think discarded RBs are our solution.

by CamboBronco on Oct 6, 2010 7:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Its NOT a running back problem.....sheesh......we need to stop blaming our running backs!

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by boydy2669 on Oct 6, 2010 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Broncos tryout process for retread RBs

Run through this brick wall on the side of the building. Ok, run, run, SLAM, ouch, ouch, ouch. Sorry, we can’t use you, thanks for coming in.

by admill on Oct 6, 2010 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

How

Did the Patriots get a first rounder for Seymour??
That trade gets more and more ridiculous for the Raiders every week

by DW76 on Oct 5, 2010 10:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Patriots...

Have:
Raiders #1 in 2011
Panthers #2 in 2011

Will likely have Vikings 3rd Rounder in 2011. Silly.

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by John Bena on Oct 5, 2010 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

it really is unbelievable that they got a 1st rounder for him

his loss has definitely affected them, but their team is set to be way on the upshot during the final years of Brady’s career. They’ve planned it perfectly.

by black_knight101 on Oct 5, 2010 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

They do it better than anyone else

However that seems to be more of a bad decision by the Raiders and the Patriots kind of got lucky that they were the team answering the phone when the Raiders decided to trade a first round pick days before the season started.

by DW76 on Oct 5, 2010 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Patriots Draft 2011...

2 picks in round 1, 2 picks in round 2, 2 picks in round 3, 2 picks in round 4. Good god that is ridiculous.

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by rynoz71 on Oct 6, 2010 8:08 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks, John

This article gives us a very clear look at why the Broncos couldn’t afford to keep a Marshall-type personality around. There was insufficient veteran leadership that had already bought into the system to bring that type of personality into line.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Oct 5, 2010 10:27 PM MDT reply actions  

Marshawn "Ferengi" Lynch

is a troublemaker who is one slip away from a full year suspension. Didn’t we do enough to keep players like that off of our team. I think once our backs and o-line are fully healthy, coupled with our young linemen gaining more experience/confidence, we can pump out 90 to 100 yards rushing a game easily. We have to remember that we have a new line coach and running game coordinator and it’s gonna take a while for it all to fall in place. Eric Studesville was a very good coach for the Bills (churned out several 1,000 yd. rushers). Barone and Wiley as our o-line coaches kind of worries me. Wiley was coaching in the CFL last year for a reason.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 5, 2010 10:32 PM MDT reply actions  

I, too, am concerned about the offensive line coaches. I understand how hard it is to start even one rookie on the line, let alone 2-3 (if you count Stanley Daniels), but I also do not see any week-to-week improvements thus far and it will only get more difficult next week against the Ravens.

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by elwaytogo on Oct 6, 2010 5:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Our OL is supposedly an upgrade from last year

and our running game, while not stellar, was better than this year. The only other difference are the coaches so by process of illimination, that must be the problem, right?

by CamboBronco on Oct 6, 2010 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I sure hope that was sarcasm..If not then I would say your equation is only "right" if you leave out little things like

injuries, continuity of playing together, time for rookies to get acclimated to the NFL, and problably a few others. Just how far are you willing to go to take a shot at the coaches?

by idahobronc on Oct 6, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bill B.

Will probably trade one of those firsts and end up having seven 2nd rounders next year.

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 5, 2010 10:34 PM MDT reply actions  

i wouldn't be shocked if the broncos didn't try to make a play for brandon jacobs in the offseason.

it doesn’t look like jacobs will be back next season with the giants. i bet he gets traded, most likely on draft day. i wonder if mcdainels would go after him.

by tiderfootball09 on Oct 5, 2010 11:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Wouldn't be a locker room fit

Throwing his helmet into the stands? How long do you think McD would put up with that?

by CamboBronco on Oct 6, 2010 7:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well

I have to go to bed early tonight, but NFL Replay will show Ravens-Steelers @ 12:15 MDT tomorrow afternoon so I’ll try to watch Ravens film. Joe Flacco looked pretty poised against a tough Steelers D. We’ll have to rattle him.

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 6, 2010 12:17 AM MDT reply actions  

So knowing Josh and Bill B's relationship...

do you think that one of our wide recievers might end up in NE? Man I hope not, its nice to have this great depth but seeing how these guys do business, does anyone else think this is possible??

by Mile_High_Helmet on Oct 6, 2010 8:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Anything is possible, but I doubt it...UNLESS decker has come on so strong they send Gaffney back....But I cant see it man. they are high on Brandon Tate to take that role.

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by boydy2669 on Oct 6, 2010 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Moss Trade in the Media

I for one will be interested to see if there are a rash of articles taking the Patriots to task for “giving in” to their “star player” who “wanted out of town.” You know, the exact same kind of articles that came up when the Broncos front office shipped out Cutler and then Marshall. I suspect that you will not see any article written about that. Whatever the Patriots do is genius. If the Patriots “West” do it, well that is just a sign of weakness and that players can dictate that they want out if they aren’t happy.

by Irrationalnumb3r on Oct 6, 2010 9:29 AM MDT reply actions   3 recs

Excellent Point!

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by John Bena on Oct 6, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

very observant. I have largely ignored the MSM when giving their opinions of things.

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by Orange and Blue on Oct 6, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great write up!

After hearing the news from a friend, i went to espn and nfl.com and just found the articles not very enterining. \so i thoguht MHR would have some news on it. I was right and not only is this artice better then all of espn and nfl.com, the comments are intelligent and not malicious. Bena your site, pod casts and write up keep getting better! I dont know what I would do with out this site. Thanks

by krichkowski420 on Oct 6, 2010 11:13 AM MDT reply actions  

More on Moss: Sources: Randy Moss had 'outburst'

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5655198

But yeah, in this case he’s a head case and Belichick just won’t stand for it. If it was McDaniels, he’d “be in over his head” and “giving in”…

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:30 AM MDT reply actions  

3 TE set

I actually wonder, in addition to all the spot on analysis by Bena above, how much the evolution of the offense has to do with the 3 TE set.

There has been a lot of talk about the 3 TE set here on MHR, and I am of the opinion that this is what McXanders hoped for with Branson, Graham and Quinn. Of course Branson turned out to be too fragile (too bad – I thought he looked great in the preseason), and Quinn can’t get on the field.

They mentioned on MNF that a significant number of NE’s plays had been run out of a 3 TE set. Obviously they have great personnel to do that in Hernandez, Gronk and Crumpler. All can catch, to some extent, and all can block effectively.

I believe we are seeing the future of NFL offense in NE, a future that McD would/will love to have. That type of grouping is going to dictate defensive formations while after the snap branching into a whole host of plays from runs to screens to long passes.

With those options, an aging, emotionally fragile (even if immensely talented) diva receiver is a lot easier to let go of.

by jonahsilas on Oct 6, 2010 1:40 PM MDT reply actions  

WHAT "THE STREETS" IS SAYING

What “The Streets” is saying about the Randy Moss trade -http://clicky.me/MossTrade

by Silk32 on Oct 6, 2010 6:15 PM MDT reply actions  

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