Broncos Should Use Cleveland, Cincinnati as Model for Beating Ravens
It appears as though the state of Ohio has at least somewhat figured out a way to beat the Baltimore Ravens.
The Cincinnati Bengals won their week two matchup against Baltimore by a score of 15-10, and the Cleveland Browns lost a tough battle 24-17. For many of the same reasons, these two games should be used as the blueprint of what it takes to beat the Baltimore Ravens, the Broncos' week five opponent.
Denver will take it's show on the road to play an early game in Baltimore, a place that they simply just do not play well. Last year, the Broncos were embarrassed when they played the Ravens, a game that sent them sprialing into darkness for the rest of the season.
So why the Bengals and Browns? Cincinnati has played the Ravens very well over the last couple of seasons, and not only swept the Ravens last year, but swept the entire division. The Bengals have won their past three meetings with Baltimore, so they obviously have the correct formula.
The Browns have not been so lucky, and their record indicates that they are a poor team. However, Cleveland has had a lead in the fourth quarter of every game they have played this year, including their week three showdown in Baltimore. Those two teams had the recipe for success, and I'd be willing to bet that if not for a brain fart on the part of Seneca Wallace and/or Peyton Hillis, the Browns could easily have come away from that game with a W.
Here are some things I took from those two games that the Broncos can and will have to use in order to beat the Ravens on Sunday.
1. Defense
This is obviously the first key to winning any game. If you don't allow a bunch of points, you're going to be in a much better position to win. That really goes without saying. The Bengals were able to hold the Ravens' new-look unit to a mere 10 points, and teams have really not had trouble containing this team all season long.
Baltimore is only averaging 15.2 points per game this season, which is very pedestrian considering the amount of weapons they possess. Clearly, they can be stopped offensively. They have big play threats in Derrick Mason and Anquan Boldin, as well as another great possession man in T.J. Houshmandzadeh, but teams (save for Cleveland) have been able to bottle all of those guys up.
The one exception was when the Browns allowed three touchdowns to Anquan Boldin in their loss.
The Ravens are averaging just over 300 yards of offense per game, and have really been carried through their first four games by their stellar defense, which is giving up barely two touchdowns per contest.
The Broncos have played very good defense through four games, save for some hiccups here and there, and are one of the NFL's best teams against the run. With Andre' Goodman "hopeful" to return for this game, the secondary should get a much needed boost as well. The Broncos might not force four interceptions like the Bengals did, but they can definitely force Flacco into bad throws.
I think the Broncos will approach this game defensively much like they did the Indianapolis game. Champ Bailey will blanket Boldin, Goodman will be covering Derrick Mason, and the Broncos will have to keep a close eye on tight end Tood Heap while focusing on bottling up Ray Rice on early down situations.
Denver has been able to control Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Justin Forsett, and Joseph Addai through four games, and Ray Rice is really having a down year. He is averaging only 3.8 yards per carry, which might seem like a lot to Broncos fans (funny, but still sad), but is really rough considering how the Ravens love to run the ball.
2. Establishing Competent Run Game
Normally, this wouldn't be a problem. This season, it is. It sounds like Knowshon Moreno returned to practice on Wednesday, and while he likely isn't 100 percent, the Broncos absolutely will need him for this game. In the Bengals' win against the Ravens, Cedric Benson ran the ball 23 times for 78 yards. Those are not great numbers, but against the Ravens, they are deadly. Benson getting a little more than three yards per carry forces Baltimore to respect that facet of the game, and it opens up the short passing game for the Bengals and Carson Palmer.
We all saw what Peyton Hillis did. He attacked the Ravens' defense and did something that only a handful of backs have done in the last few years--ran for over 100 yards. And he did it in embarrassing fashion. Averaging 6.5 yards per carry, Hillis rumbled for 144 yards on 22 carries. That's nearly twice as many yards as Benson, and while the Browns were not able to win the game, they undoubtedly had command offensively. They had very few three and outs, which is critical against the Ravens, and aside from their one costly mistake, they had it right.
The Broncos are going to need all hands on deck. This will be the second game that the starting offensive line has had to mesh, and it will be a huge help for guys like Laurence Maroney and Correll Buckhalter, who have been the main backs in Moreno's absence.
Maroney has looked rusty, especially in the passing game last week, but he gained some experience behind the line, and chemistry is being at least worked on to some degree. It has not been pretty, as Buckhalter and Maroney are averaging less than two yards per carry, but the line definitely needs the time to jell.
What the Bengals and Browns did--and what the Broncos need to do--is run the ball right down Baltimore's throat. Josh McDaniels said today that the Ravens are an "in your face" kind of team. Well, in order to beat them, you are going to have to get right back in their face.
Peyton Hillis ran a good majority inside the tackles, attacking any and every hole he could find. For the Broncos' backs, if they see a hole, they need to simply take what they can get. While the line isn't opening a ton of running lanes, Bronco backs are trying to make too much out of nothing, and it's turning into negative yardage. That is unacceptable, especially against a great defense like Baltimore.
Benson did the same thing--He had some nifty moves every now and again, but for the most part, he just took what was given and set up the passing game for a 2nd and 7 on a very consistent basis. The Bengals obviously weren't able to convert their drives into touchdowns, but 15 points, at least on average, is just about enough to beat the Ravens this year.
The Broncos could really use Knowshon Moreno, as he is their best interior runner. Period. Moreno is a good back, but he just needs to learn to hit the holes harder. He has great initial burst, but it seems again like he tries to make too much out of nothing, just like our other backs.
3. Beat the Blitz With Short Passes
The Ravens are a great defense, so eventually they catch on to the screens and what not, but in the two games I studied, they seemed content to give up the short pass on many plays because of two things:
- They have great faith in their pass rush and 3rd down defense
- They are fantastic tacklers
Ed Reed will not be playing in this game, but that doesn't mean the Ravens have lost any production from their defense. They currently rank 1st in the NFL in pass defense, and are as stingy as ever. Tom Zbikowski has played very well in place of Reed, and despite losing Domonique Foxworth, the corners have played extremely well. Fabian Washington, Chris Carr, LaDarious Webb--they are all very, very fast, and they are for a reason.
The Ravens utilize a blitz nearly every play it seems, and if they aren't blitzing, they are using stunts from their defensive linemen. If it's not Ray Lewis, it's Terrell Suggs, Dawan Landry, Zbikowski, or whomever they use as the nickel corner.
They are an extremely aggressive defense, and it works, by golly. The way to counter all the blitzing is to come to the line with two plays. A run, and a pass. Kyle Orton is a smart enough player to be able to recognize the blitz, but he did not do a good enough job of it last week. He hung in the pocket too long on a couple of occasions, and wound up being sacked six times by the Titans.
The Broncos have a great couple of blitz pickup backs in Moreno and Buckhalter, and they will have a ton of use in the passing game on Sunday. I would love to see a steady dose of the running back swing pass, a couple of receiver screens--anything to keep the Ravens honest defensively. They should not be able to blitz on every play and dominate this offense, we are too good for that.
That is where guys like Moreno, Buckhalter, Royal, Lloyd, and the ultimate weapon (Demaryius Thomas) come in. The Broncos have been great at getting the ball downfield through the air, and certainly you don't want to have to play into the Ravens' game. By going to the short passing game, you are semi-abandoning what has worked this year, which is the big play (the Broncos are 2nd in the league in pass plays over 20 yards.).
Ray Lewis claims that our passing game has had success because of opposing teams' poor tackling as well as getting yards after the catch. I don't recall a ton of poor tackling, but Lewis has probably watched the Broncos even more than I have, so we'll have to see if he's correct.
Either way, I think in order for the Broncos to offset the Ravens' blitzing, they need to recognize it prior to the play, and come to the line ready to call something to counter it. You want to stick to your guns in calling plays, but this is a unique defense. Like coach McDaniels said, they don't do anything fancy. They are not a smoke and mirrors team. The Ravens are an "in your face" team, and they are very good at what they do.
4. Take What They Give You
It had to have been hard for the Cincinnati Bengals to take five field goals, but they did--and they won. It had to be hard for the Browns to play the field position game until they got a lead early in the fourth quarter--but they did.
The Broncos simply cannot afford mistakes against this team. Neither Cleveland nor Cincinnati had any turnovers, which was huge. They did, however, make some serious mental mistakes, which easily could have cost them.
But both teams throughout the game did a good job of taking what was given to them. The Broncos have a great passing game, led by Kyle Orton. He is one of the absolute best in the NFL at taking what opposing teams give him. It sometimes really gets under the skin of fans, but Orton doesn't make a ton of mistakes, especially in the red zone where he has only thrown three career interceptions.
Unless the Ravens jump out to a huge early lead, the Broncos can afford in this game to be a little less aggressive as far as going for it on fourth downs in opposing territory and take Matt Prater field goals. I'm not saying that they should change to a vanilla game plan against Baltimore, but they should definitely play it more safe in terms of taking points and not leaving any on the field.
The Broncos cashed in on 6 of their 7 red zone attempts last week against the Titans. If they can do that against the Ravens, it will be hard for them to lose.
I really like this matchup for the Broncos, and I believe that win or lose it will be a great experience on the road heading into their home game against the Jets. The Ravens do so many things similar to the Jets, and I think it's critical that the Broncos win at least one of the next two games. Winning both would give them a huge edge heading into the second half of the season.
The Ravens are not unbeatable. They are arguably the toughest team we will face this season, but as we saw last week, the Broncos are also a very tough team. They can take a punch to the jaw, and they can deliver one.
That is the difference between this Broncos team and Broncos teams of the past decade.
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You guys shouldn't model yourself after any team the Chiefs have beaten, remember they all suck.
Since the Browns beat the Bengals the Bengals must suck too, just saying.
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The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods.
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C'mon Caveman
I’ve given the Chiefs much respect here. Even during preseason I said that the Chiefs would have a very good defense and rookie class.
And, I’m picking them to beat the Colts because the Chiefs can control the game with the Thomas Jones Affair and Charles in Charge And the Colts don’t suck, well they don’t suck too bad :) I hear their quarterback is decent.
Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!
by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 6, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah sorry should have been more specific at whom that comment was aimed at.
It was aimed at the few not the majority, just the ones that constantly say any team the Chiefs beat are junk.
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The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods.
No worries Caveman
I hope you always feel welcome here. MHR has grown over the past couple of years and all that’s great. But it’s also grown to the point were I think people forget that we treat our friends from the other blogs (especially) with great respect.
And we always try to respect and give credit to our opponent.
Until they cross the line, and then we must crush them with our limericks.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 6, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I truely believe that the Chiefs are on the rise
but if someone was to claim they are a pretender, or that the Browns are really not a very good team…… then they certainly would not be alone in saying that.
Last year i believed in what the Broncos were doing and that they were on the right path. However i understood why the rest of the world for the most part thought the opposite
Caveman
You’re starting to border on trolling. You aren’t there yet, but you’re coming close with posts like that.
by scooter17 on Oct 6, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Scooter you must be one of the few.
I’M just stating what has been said here at MHR by a few guys that say the Browns suck and that why we beat them.
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The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods.
Here's the difference though
We aren’t going over and saying that at Arrowhead Pride. If there are MHR guys going over to AP and saying you guys suck because all you beat is the Browns, well that’s one thing. If someone wants to say that here though, well I don’t have much sympathy for you. It’s a Broncos site after all, what do you expect?
By the way, last year when we started 6-0 we all were annoyed that so many people painted us as “the worst 6-0 team” in the league and a team that was just getting lucky… Turns out they might have been right when we came back to earth and finished 2-8 the rest of the way. Just sayin ;)
You're missing my point.
I realize that people will say those things, but i should be able to respond to whats being said. All i expect is people to look without the hatred and rivalry’s and base a real opinion on what’s going on.
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The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods.
Well, we got two shots, so if we have any playoff aspirations we will need to.
Gotta beat the best to be the best and right now at 3-0 they are the best.
Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!
by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 6, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Were at 3-0 but we sure aren't the best.
We’ve gotten to 3-0 by winning two really ugly games, and one where Cassel played pretty good. While i think we have a chance against the Colts, Manning could have a field day against our rookies. The Texan game is the one i think get us some respect, if we can beat them we will start to get the respect we had years ago.
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The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods.
I, for one, am not among the few who hates on the Chiefs
They moved from 8 to 7 in my rankings this week, and I picked them to win in week 2 and 3.
I could care less what you all think about the chiefs.
If I did, I would read a blog with chiefs in the title and/or go to ap.
Since I am reading a Denver blog and we aren’t playing kc this week, thanks for the article Sayre. I think that checking out of passing plays into a run or screen at the line when Orton sees a blitz will be vital.
You mean you couldn't care less
Just making the point that Broncos fans don’t have to hate with venom all AFC West rivals.
San Diego is another story. They make me spitting angry.
The Ravens RB Situation
It looks like the timing is good for the Denver Defense, as the Raven running backs are fairly bangged up. That being said, Mr. Rice at 70% is still one of the top 5 RB’s in the league and can still do major damage.
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The one concern and difference
is the ability of the Ravens to pass the ball. While we played excellent against Chris Johnson, it certainly is a bit different trying to stop Ray Rice when you consider the difference between Flacco and Vince Young as well as the Difference in the receivers.
The Ravens have 3 pretty good receivers you have to account for as well.
I dont know if there is THAT much difference between Flacco and Young. Flacco has been average this year, and is pretty over rated...
Remember, the ravens are only scoring 15 points per game. Hardly an offensive juggernaut!
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I definitely agree
with what your saying.
From a gameplanning stand point though I think the Ravens threat to beat you through the air is greater than the Titans ability to do so.
While last week it was all about stopping Chris Johnson and seeing what Vince Young can do, I think this week will be a bit more balanced with the idea of making the Ravens put together long drives.
There may be more oppurtunities for Ray Rice to run this week than CJ had last week because of this, but the injuries to both Rice and Mcgahee are unfortunate for the Ravens but very timely for the Broncos.
I disagree
VY has been much more accurate and has thrown less interceptions. VY is also a run threat himself. Flacco needs a strong run game and a strong defense to be effective. The Titans are a much greater passing threat than the Ravens.
I felt even before last week that Denver matched up betteragainst Baltimore than Tennessee. It will be interesting to how well the Baltimore Defense will play against a top rate passing attack.
My projections Denver 11-5, San Diego 10-6, Oakland 9-7, Kansas City 7-9
by 3nS on Oct 6, 2010 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Good points DW and 3nS...we have a good chance against the Ravens!
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The fact that Vince Young is a run threat doesn’t alter the way CJ is defended. Blitzing the OLBs to contain the edge is also done to stop against VY’s running.
From a passing offense standpoint I actually do not think that the Titans and Ravens are really even that close. The Ravens have not from a pure numbers standpoint played to the best of their abilities this season and there may not be a big difference between the two teams through 4 games.
However the Ravens receivers are vastly superior to the Titans Wide Receivers and it is not even close.
Flaccos INT numbers are a bit skewed by the 4 INT game he had against the Bengals
What I was trying to say in the above post was this:
I don’t buy into the idea that we shut down CJ, so Ray Rice has no chance against our defense because I truely believe we will play a completely different type of game against the Ravens then we did against the Titans. We sold out completely to stop Chris Johnson and Vince Young did not do enough to win the game for his team. Against the Ravens, I believe it will be much more balanced and they will have more favourable fronts to run against than Johnson had. However the strength of the receivers for the Ravens is running after the catch to make first downs. I like the Broncos alot on defense because we are tackling so well
I see
I agree that Baltimore’s receivers are better than Tennessee’s. Yet I beleive that VY is a better qb than Flacco in throwing the ball. I referred to VY’s ability to run because if a Defesive Coordinator was to blitz he’d know where Flacco would be but VJ can burn a blitz with his feet. Therefore, IMO I’d be more conservative with Tennessee than Baltimore. I don’t think Flacco can beat the Broncos.
My projections Denver 11-5, San Diego 10-6, Oakland 9-7, Kansas City 7-9
by 3nS on Oct 6, 2010 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Take a look at last week's game
The Steelers didn’t think Flacco could beat them either.
by Todd Stellhorn on Oct 8, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know, any team with Trevor Pryce and Justn Bannan is a nightmare
Oh snap!
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by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 6, 2010 3:35 PM MDT reply actions
Actually
Sayre, the Broncos have historically done quite well in BALTIMORE, just not against the Ravens. They took two of three from the Colts when they were in Maryland’s largest city. Anyway, I have complete respect for the Ravens (with all due respect to Indy, they’re the class of the AFC at this stage), but they are beatable. It will take our best performance of the season to do so.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Oct 6, 2010 3:36 PM MDT reply actions
Ravens pass defense
Truthfully the Ravens have been giving up the same yardage as the opposing team averages. Where the Ravens are real good is getting off the field on 3rd down. I agree mostly with what you say but if Denver can’t run it the hort passing game is just as good. Avoid 3rd and long.
My projections Denver 11-5, San Diego 10-6, Oakland 9-7, Kansas City 7-9
Are you Nuts?
Run the ball down Baltimore’s throat? We can’t even run against the Colts, let alone the Ravens. I’d rather see us play to our strengths in the passing game. The Ravens don’t have the personnel in their secondary to cover our receivers. We can hopefully light them up through the air, however we’ll still have to flounder in the running game every play here or there just to avoid getting blitzed on every down.
I'm with you...
spread it out and trust in Orton to lead us to victory.
GO BRONCOS!!! 14-2 until we aren’t!
I say we abondon the run altogether for this game
Put an o-lineman in at fullback and one at RB to keep Orton from having his head removed from his body. Sounds dumb, but after what Tennessee did to him, Baltimore can smell the blood in the water. Also, I recommend that instead of actually getting the ball from center and throwing, Orton should just stay in shotgun and bat the ball out of the air to the closest receiver. I know I should believe in our line more than I do, but we may be an Orton injury away from a 4-12 season
I know this doesn't belong here and I'll probably get ripped for it...
But GO RANGERS! Sorry, but for the last 10 years I haven’t had the guts to say it
Dude, hockey is still in the preseason
chill…
Orton to Gaffney, all day long...
by Broncs Cheer on Oct 6, 2010 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we should just take a knee inside the RZ and kick FG's?
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I say.
We start B. Lloyd and D. Thomas as our starting wideouts this week. When the Ravens max blitz, which they probably will do quite often, given our o-line problems. Lloyd and Thomas’s only read on that is to streak, Orton throws a jump ball and see how those young corners hold up without safety help. Pass interference anyone. A couple of those might just slow things down on the blitzing and give us a chance to run as the safeties will be more hesitant to run support. I could be stupid, but everyone is saying how well their corners are playing. I say we test that theory. That was supposed to be their weak spot. Things just don’t get better instantly. We all know that.
by broncosaurusuper on Oct 6, 2010 6:58 PM MDT reply actions
This will be a different game than last year
I would be extremely surprised if the Broncos came out flat on Sunday. Forget the stats, forget offense, forget defense, the Bengals and Browns both came out with an attitude that they weren’t going to let the Ravens dictate the physicality of the game, they would. (see Peyton Hillis highlights)
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 PM MDT reply actions
Oh No
you invoked Peyton Hillis’ name again. Let’s not forget how McDaniels is unable to do anything right because he let Hillis go. (note sarcasm)
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Oct 6, 2010 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
never meant to invoke those feelings, just showing an example of a player/team that wasn’t going to back down from a team because they have a reputation of being “the most physical in the NFL”. In fact, the article only mentions the Bengals and Browns, but I think the Steelers and the Jets had a pretty good game plan of how to beat the Ravens as well, from a defensive standpoint at least. This is going to be a fun one to watch. I think we have the talent to keep them on their heels a bit. It would be awesome to see the Broncos win another one on the road that they have to keep grindin’ to stay in.
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 6, 2010 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions
We might have gone to Baltimore a little but more afraid of them than no shaking knees portrayed...
And we met them on the field of play and got our nose bloodied and our eyes blackened but, we got up and did a little slugging back ourselves. Even though we didn’t win the fight and as a matter of fact we weren’t given much chance too, we didn’t back down with all of the team’s growing pains and insecurities…No sir we didn’t and this year is more than a lot different in terms of system knowledge and player acquaintances…Doesn’t mean we will definitely win go into the hostile environment of Raven’s nest, but I do feel alot better about our chances of at least creating a game plan that holds brass knuckles and pointed boots this year…The Ravens are a team you have to punch them in the mouth and groin and throttle them until they can’t get up. If the Broncos show any kind of weakness they’ll be on them like vultures!
Great work Sayre
I appreciate the post. I think We have as good a chance to beat Baltimore, as We did Indy or Tennessee.
It’s all about who executes. With or without Moreno, I think We have a great possibility of earning Our second straight road win. Three words will make a big difference in this one as well – no Ed Reed. Can’t wait, this one will be a great game to watch. Thanks again, oh and by the way, I got the Elway Rec.!!! That’s gotta mean something (Orton breaks NFL record for passing yards in a single game?, Orton minds us of Elway in some other spectacular way?).
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