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     There is a play in the San Francisco game which, for me, typifies the Broncos' 2010 season through the first eight games.  Late in the Fourth Quarter, the Forty-niners were driving. At the snap, Justin Bannan burst out of his stance and drove a blocker two or three yards into the San Francisco backfield in a seemingly unstoppable charge on Troy Smith. My exclamation of "OH YEAH!!!!!" was changed into a choked back "OH S---!!!!!" (choked down because my wife was sitting right beside me) as Frank Gore sped past Bannan on a delayed draw. One step to his right, and Bannan would have have been directly in Gore's path and the play would probably have been blown up in the backfield. As it was, the San Francisco drive continued. Bannan's explosion went for naught.

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     I've come to a conclusion that may be diametrically opposed to the opinion of many -- if not most -- here at MHR. I keep hearing things like:

The team has quit
McDaniels is in over his head
The season is lost
The team has no fire
The play calling is too predictable
The team is playing without life
This team is not tough
etc., etc., etc.

     I believe the exact opposite to be true. McDaniels and his players are trying too hard. They are so concerned with making a big play, not giving up a big play, with trying to make things happen, that they are failing to effectively execute the fundamental skills of the game.

They are playing tight and thinking too much. Lloyd, on the interception that ended the game for the Broncos on Sunday, appeared to take his route too deep, instead of pulling up to give Orton a better target. Orton tried to make a play with his legs, but forgot to secure the ball against pursuit. The defense would stuff the run on one play, only to give up a four or five yard run on the next. An offensive lineman appeared to get locked in on one defender and would try to make a play on him, but failed to recognize the pressure coming from other spots. The running backs' dancing in the backfield looked like they were thinking "If I go straight, I can get one . . . but if I go right I can get three . . . but wait . . . if I go left maybe I could break a big one. . . "

Some more examples of this:

In the Oakland game, after a Denver kickoff and a touchback, Oakland had the ball first and ten at their own twenty. These are the plays that then followed:

A pass, short left. for nine yards.
A run off left tackle stuffed for no gain.
A run up the middle for two yards.
A second pass, short left, for five yards.
An incomplete pass.
A False Start penalty.
A quarterback scramble for fifteen yards.
A run behind the right guard for five yards.
A run to the left end for six yards.
A pass, deep left for forty-three yards and a touchdown.

     On the touchdown play, DJ Williams appeared to be so concerned about not allowing another short run or pass to his right that he barely bumped Zach Miller as Miller ran parallel to the line of scrimmage, moving to the defense's right side then broke into the secondary as the entire defensive backfield followed two receivers to the left side of the defense.

     In the San Francisco game, on two separate occasions I watched as a gunner on the punt team sprinted full out down the field and ran right past the Forty-niners' punt returner. They were so focused on getting down there fast, I would assume in anticipation of making a big play, that they ran themselves right out of the play.

     Also in the San Francisco game, late in the fourth quarter, Andre Goodman fell behind Michael Crabtree. The ball was thrown to Crabtree and caught. Then, instead of attempting to tackle Crabtree after the catch -- and perhaps giving the defense a chance to hold the Forty-niners to a field goal, Goodman went for the big play and tried to swat the ball out of Crabtree's hands. He missed and the result? A San Francisco touchdown.

     When I look at the coaching, I get the impression that McDaniels has been too quick to open up his playbook on both sides of the ball. He's been trying to get too fancy with his starting sets on offense and on defense. Now, admittedly, injuries have played their part in this, but these things must be recognized:

1)The New York Jets followed by the Oakland Raiders games represent the first time Denver has started the same five offensive linemen, in the same positions, two games in a row. The San Francisco game made it three games in a row.

2)Denver has started the same WR/RB/TE combo twice in eight games. We've played with 2 RB/2 WR/1TE sets, 1 RB/3 WR/1TE sets, 1 RB/2 WR/2TE sets, and even a 1RB/ 1WR/3TE set.

3)Weeks 1 & 2 are the only weeks that the same eleven defensive players have started in the same positions two games in a row. We've played with 3DL/4LB/4DB, 3DL/3LB/5DB, and a 4DL/3LB/4DB starting alignments.

4)We've seen the newest incarnation of the Wildcat with Tebow on the field with Orton. Even that has seen at least three different incarnations in terms of the personnel and look.



     These all come across as a group that is trying so hard to make the big plays that could turn the season around, that they are making mental and execution errors.

Boydy, in his article "A Coaches Perspective: Raising the floor and not the ceiling of an athletes (and TEAMS) performance" raises some interesting points:

in regards to coaching athletes:

". . .their worst should still be enough to give a strong performance . . . fundamentals, ingrain them in muscle memory and build dynamic skills from these fundamentals . . ."


 Boydy goes on to observe:

. . .without an improvement in FUNDAMENTAL football, and a raise in the floor of their performance, the team is doomed to inconsistent play, which also leads to a stifling in player development and implementation of a system.

     The more I've gone back over this season, the more I've become convinced that Boydy's take on this may be closer to the reality that is the 2010 Denver Broncos than any other speculation that has been advanced. Yes, injuries have had their impact. Yes, starting two rookies on the offensive line has had it's impact. Yes, Orton's improvements in some areas, and lack of improvement in other has had its effect. Yes, the defense has had its strong moments, and its poor ones. Yes, McDaniels has tried to get creative with the playbook with such things as the "Swamp package" to get Tebow into the game. Yes, even the death of Kenny McKinley has probably had an impact -- Denver is 0-4 since his passing.

     But where the team seems to be most lacking is in the fundamentals -- like blocking and tackling, like not missing the snap count, like keeping your fingers out of other players' facemasks . . . need I go on?

     I believe a large part of this has to do with McDaniels equating familiarity with mastery. I believe he has made the same mistake that any other first year teacher is apt to make: the belief that exposure and even familiarity is the same as mastery. I've spent the last twenty-two years as a teacher. Over and over I have seen a student demonstrate mastery of a skill within my classroom, with the particular group of students on my caseload, supported by my instructional assistants staff. That same student, however, will often not be able to demonstrate that same mastery in a different setting, surrounded by different students and without the support staff. We have assumed that because they knew it at one level, they had, in fact, mastered the skill. This was not true. And so, we have been faced with the need to modify our teaching so that the student can successfully demonstrate the requisite skill, regardless setting or people in proximity. I believe McDaniels has been making this same mistake with both sides of the ball. He has a roster of players, the majority of whom have been around his system for a season and a half. They have sat through his game preparation meetings, walked through the various practices. In McDaniels' previous setting, this may have been enough, the majority of the players on the Patriots' roster had been with the system long enough to master the skills needed for the game plan. Game preparation (i.e. exposure and familiarity) have not been the issue. Mario Haggan alluded to this when he said:

I'm not sugarcoating this. I'm going to be as honest as I can be and tell it to you straight. It's not Josh. I've never been more prepared as a player from a head coach. And I've been through five or six already. We knew when the screen play was coming. We just didn't stop it. We knew when it was a run-toss and they were going to hit the edge. We just didn't stop it . . .


     According to Haggan, the players knew what was coming, but failed to execute. That, IMHO, is a lack of coaching the fundamentals. It's one thing to recognize what is happening and what needs to be done. It is another to have the correct response so ingrained that you don't have to stop to think about what to do. It goes back to Boydy's comments about "raising the floor," which is another way of saying "mastering the fundamentals."

Some Thoughts for the Bye Week


1)Spend it on fundamentals.
      Drill and kill, as it were, the basic skills until they become instinctive.
2)Simplify the game plan on both sides of the ball.
     Go back to what was working in 2009, and what was working in the first four games of 2010.
3)Quit shuffling personnel around.
     Put the same 11 players in the same positions and let them master the skills of those positions.
4)Restart the process of building muscle memory.
     Through repeated reps on fundamental tasks.
5)Use screens and outlet passes to supplement  the running game.
     While teaching the running backs how to hit holes quickly.
6)Go back to the 5-2 that was being used early in 2009

Any other thoughts?

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Urgency

I think this has been the missing key, at least on offense.

Shanny’s teams always came out and kicked butt with their scripted plays—I believe it was because the plays were not only practiced, but the team really FOCUSED on executing them. There was a sense of urgency. After thank, the games were all about hanging on and trying to score points.

With McD’s team, at least this year, the O is unstoppable and moves the ball freely during 2 minute drills. They’re really focused during these plays. They play desperate and take chances. Sometimes it means interceptions, but usually it means points.

I’d like the team to focus on Urgency during the off week. Playing every play like it’s scripted or in the last 2 minutes. That would turn things around, IMHO.

First they ignore you.
They then laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then, you win.
--Gandhi

by Santa Fe Bronc on Nov 2, 2010 1:08 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

That works for me.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

no excuses please

Broncos season ticket holder living in war zone since 2003. You guys will never, ever know what it’s like to live like I do and wait for football season to start and watch this crap. It’s all I have. The Broncos are not good guys ,no matter how you slice it. I’m forsed to watch other teams play and the cowboys are not good either and they should be. Why? I don’t know but players we passed on in the draft are playing lights out! Like Ditka says you are what your record is. We need defence. Except for DJ who else is playing good?

by Baghdad on Nov 2, 2010 1:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Beg your pardon?

With all due respect and gratitude for your serving in the military, and the absolute best of luck to you while serving in a war zone, you’re probably not the only MHR member who has been in your situation. Again, best of luck to you, come home safe.

by CompUser on Nov 2, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel your pain

I live in LA (not even remotely equivalent to your situation) and I get stuck watching 6-8 east coast teams play every week. I can only see Denver if I can find an internet stream.

Been following them since my parents moved there back in the late 60’s. And was not trying to make excuses. I don’t think there are any excuses. But without identifying the problem, it’s next to impossible to consider solutions.

I totally agree that we need to improve the defense. We also need to improve the offense and the special teams. My thought is that I’d like to see a return to and a focus on the fundamentals. Playing good solid basic football. Fill the gaps, make the tackles, complete the passes, RBs hitting the holes, special teams setting up good field position, etc etc

And thank you very much for serving your country.

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what bars are for

I live in LA as well. Fortunately I’m near a bar that will play the Bronco games. There are usually a handful of fans watching it with me. The Raider fans have been surprisingly pleasant as well. Chiefs too. Chargers, not so much…

Of course if you don’t go to bars (and for all I know you’re under 21) then that’s a different problem.

by SFV Bronco Fan on Nov 3, 2010 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wish I was under 21. LOL

I’m 53, and most of the bars in my area cater to Raiders fans and they are no where near pleasant in most instances.

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 3, 2010 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Check out

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You can stream anything there.

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by johnnystarr on Nov 3, 2010 7:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stick with the running game

Knowshon has showed flashes of his ability these past few weeks. We need to keep him involved to take the pressure of off Orton and prolong drives to keep our defense fresh. I also think it’s time to give McBath a shot, once he’s ready to play. As for the 5-2, If Ayers is ready to go, I think that’s a good idea, with Hunter at the other OLB spot.

by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Nov 2, 2010 1:21 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

That works for me.

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good thoughts Brian.

I would disagree about the tying hard against the Raiders, but certainly against the 49ers. You could see the players on defense totally deflated after that last TD. they guys want to succeed, but it is not happening.

Points 1, 2, and 4 are top on my list!

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 2, 2010 1:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, Tim

I’m becoming a firm believer in the need for the coaching staff to take a step back and start coaching these guys as players in their first year in the system. I would think that would, at least, allow us to be competitive in each and every game.

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rest and heal

The team has been banged up since the first day of training camp. The best news coming out of the SF game was no new injuries! Add two weeks off, and that’s totals three weeks for many players to return to full speed and strength. Rest and recuperation will do wonders for this team.

by MichaelCushman on Nov 2, 2010 1:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Fundamentals fundamentals fundamentals......

This post and Brody’s are 2 of my favorites of the year. Two points you make have proven to be all important to my personal coaching and philosophy. The first I mentioned in the subject line even coaches at the pro level can not spend enough time on fundamentals. Many of the most gifted athletes have gotten this far on talent and have not needed to master fundamentals at the varsity level over half of every practice was spent on drilling fundamental skills… the players hated it but they liked winning more (only 1 losing season in 21 years) The second great point is get to simplify and master. No team be be great at everything. Broncos need to decide what the want to emphasize and get great and confident at that. I love coach McD, but I think he is trying to cover for his player’s inadequate skills by adding more stuff i.e. an X&O answer. Josh needs to commit to the few thing he wants to emphasize and work toward player confidence in those areas. I think that the group is together and that is what make the situation so sad. Each one trying so hard for the other that they end up letting each other down. I am not making any excuses the broncos are not playing well and need to do things better however I do not think that we need to blow up the team or coaching staff or that we don’t need a forum to blow off steam, but I like people like Brody and yourself that choose to look for answers rather than implode, tear-down, and destroy.

Great Post as always Go BRONCOS!!!!!!!

oldcoachB

by oldcoachB on Nov 2, 2010 1:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, OCB

Coming from a coach, I take that as high praise.

And for what it’s worth, it’s “boydy” (no r) :)

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

The play that stood out for me

was when the ball fell into the opponent receiver’s hands at the Denver 1 yard line right between Goodman and Bailey. Goodman jumped up in front to (unsuccessfully) try to intercept the ball or bat it down. He judged it badly but at least he tried. Bailey just stood there apparently assuming Goodman had it “in hand.” He is fortunately he isn’t playing for The Vikings. If they cut Moss for giving up on a play, they would have kicked Bailey out the door after that fiasco. He obviously has lots of talent and will make some fine even incredible plays but those don’t make up for such a game turning failure. Maybe it was prudent not to renew his contract.

by warmick on Nov 2, 2010 1:49 PM MDT reply actions  

are you sure it wasn't

Dawk? Maybe I’m thinking of a different play but I saw a 9er WR push off of Dawk, with Bailey twiddling his thumbs, and make that grab at the 1.

by PaleHorse78 on Nov 2, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

It may have been

Yeah, I’m pretty sure you are right

by warmick on Nov 2, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it was BDawk that jumped up, but I could be wrong, and warmick's basic point still remains

I cannot figure out if Bailey is playing injured, or if he’s looking ahead to next year and playing for a different team. He hasn’t seemed like his usual self since the Jets game.

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he's done

Seriously. The Eagles let him go because his pass coverage skills had deteriorated to the point of him being a major liability and although he put together a solid season last year I think were starting to see why the Eagles let him go.

The thing with safeties, due to the physical nature of the position when they go they seem to go fast.

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by johnnystarr on Nov 2, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

That being said.

I cant see how they bench him. I think the coaches with have a mutiny on their hands.

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by johnnystarr on Nov 2, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

would have*

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by johnnystarr on Nov 2, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

From everything I’ve heard, skills or no, BDawk is the emotional leader of the defense.

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eagles letting him go was mostly a value issue. We gave him a good multiyear contract. The Eagles still wanted him but not for that much money for several years. He is in decline, but was still very good last year – and still has value – but not for much longer – may be a liability by next year.

by cohiker on Nov 2, 2010 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bailey

Do you think if could be the Broncos pulling the contract off the table on him? I know the guy has a lot of pride, but regardless of how this year plays out he is getting his money next year. Like you said, he doesnt seem to want to engage anymore and I wonder if he is just trying to get out of this year healthy.

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by johnnystarr on Nov 2, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I truly don't know

I just know he hasn’t seemed to be playing with the same intensity.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

As fans

We’re definitely fickle. We want our stars to play hard and care as much as we do. However, the majority of these guys approach it as a business first and a game second.

Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!

by johnnystarr on Nov 2, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Baily has brainfarted more & more these last few years. I used to blame a lot of it on his constant 'cheating' to help other guys and on tthe run... lately though this just seems another symptom of the whole.

this team just can’t seem to keep it together from one play to another.

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 2, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

A different take...

Dawk was in perfect position to make the play and IMO Champ was intentionally not going for the ball once he saw Dawks position. This was technically the correct play since it would A) allow dawk to make the int and B) Allow Champ to guard a gainst a tipped pass in the event that the ball deflected off of Dawk or a 9er. The WR definitely gives Dawk a little shove just as he’s jumping for the ball and should’ve been called for offensive PI (though I will agree that it usually isn’t). I disagree that Champ was twiddling his thumbs, he was making the correct adjustment in a split second.
This play is very similar to Hill’s PI against the Jets. Think about it, If Hill and Dawk make those 2 plays or the refs appropriately call offensive PI on them we’re 4-4 and most of this conversation about everything wrong with this team goes away or at the very least isnt nearly as dire. That’s football though guys, 2 plays that could easily go either way with the outcome leading to much speculation and anxiety. When the reality is the play simply didnt go our way. Let’s not throw Champ or Dawk under the bus at this point and negate the 40 or 50 other solid plays they make every week.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Nov 2, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

That play also sticks out for me,

Dawkins simply mis-judged the ball, Bailey said he didn’t want to interfere with what should have been a Dawkins interception, ok these things can happen. BUT, it says something deeper to me at this point with this team. First, how long can Dawkins keep playing at a high level and NOT make game changing mistakes? Maybe his ship has sailed? Bailey is still playing well and I DO NOT believe his contract extension has anything to do with his on-field performance, he is way too classy for that. Second, all the defensive vets were brought in to help bolster, teach and lead the young talent which we will eventually turn to, well…maybe it is getting close to time to turn that page? The young guys will need full games under their belts before they can really mature. Maybe that awful play sticks out as the moment the Broncos switch from vets to youth.

by buckeyebronco on Nov 2, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTW, according to recent neuroscience...

 I get your point, move past thinking to unconscious competency…and Implicit memory (where habits live) doesn’t learn well from repetition. Studies show that when it comes to skills, repetition bores the brain, and that reduces the transmission to long-term memory. Implicit memory is built from variety. The brain automatically finds the patterns in the activities and builds the neural map accordingly.

“Drill and Kill” is just that…a killer of brain engagement and learning.

For example, people don’t learn to walk and talk by doing and saying the exact same thing over and over.

As I said, I get your point, and perhaps a more current model of memory and learning would help you make it.

BTW, cognition/explicit memory is different, that requires exact repetition. Example, the multiplication tables.

Implicit and explicit memory are two very different types of memory, with different learning mechanisms.

The fastest ways to learn skills is through as much variety as possible (short of chaos): go fast, slow, change conditions, play tired, compete against as many different people as possible…trust the brain to learn the patterns. That it is genius at.

by MichaelCushman on Nov 2, 2010 1:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Very nice addition, Michael

Thanks for adding this in, as a teacher, it’s something that will help me do my job better. As a fan, it gives me a new way to think about practices and games.

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Teacher! Very cool.

Glad you can use it. Here’s an article on the topic of implicit memory.
http://keychangenow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Integrating-the-Science-of-Change-into-Business-fin.pdf

BTW, as a teacher, you should know the “forgetting curve”. It applies to explicit memory. Google it. The Wikipedia explanation is pretty good. You can really help you students lock in permanent learning if you use it.

Thanks for being open minded and taking that in. Not everyone is so willing to hear something different. Good luck!

by MichaelCushman on Nov 2, 2010 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well I learned something

Thanks Michael

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by KaptainKirk on Nov 2, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent stuff Michael

 How wierd is it that I am working on some philosophy stuff right now involving implicit and explicit conceptualization???

Your info is timely and helpful on many levels.

In epistemology, concepts, especially higher level ones, are integrated by a process of abstraction led by derivation. You see a concrete in enough different contexts and you derive the differences and similarities in every situation, allowing your mind to cast aside all the trivial or unrelated data, and eventually hone in on the essential characteristics of the concept, what explicitly defines it. You can also work backwards from an explicit definition and integrate the concretes you have experience with, reversing the derivation from concretes process. Calculus of the mind.

In both instants, knowledge isn’t constituted until the process is comlplete, wheteher you are going forward or backwards, so the wider the assortment of concretes, the more differences and similarities you can pick up, and the quicker the process will complete itself.

Good stuff.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 2, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice. I had to look the words up haha (ex & im)

I would say though that one must first learn the fundamental (explicit memory?) skill via repetition and then master it via a variety of conditions…
Many of our Broncos I’m thinking, are still in need of some serious ‘pre-mastery’ fundamental training before being ready for the variety the implicit memory requires.

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 2, 2010 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice post Brian.

I have no problems with the 5 point break down. However, lets not go overboard with the screens. I’m still recovering from the amount of screens thrown last year.

Ive definitely noticed the dancing in the backfield. It drives me nuts.

One last point. I too never bought into the players quit talk for two reasons.

1) guaranteed contracts. Football is the only sport without guaranteed contracts. If a player gets cut bye bye pay cheque.

2) much like Shanny if MCD gets fired a large majority of these players are out of the league next year. (especially defensive) The players simply cannot afford to quit on the coach.

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by johnnystarr on Nov 2, 2010 2:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the additional perspective, Johnny

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

JOhnny Star

Good post, but I disagree that alot of the D is out of the league, it will not be Like Shanny and the 30+ players no longer in the NFL. All the DB’s could play for other teams, the D-Line has good players, and the LB’s are decent. Now I dont think all could start for other teams but this is not Nate Webster and Marlon McCree playing.

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by The 3 Amigos on Nov 2, 2010 2:11 PM MDT reply actions  

We should be dancing in the streets:
this is not Nate Webster and Marlon McCree playing.

;-p

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry, don't agree

Our D-Line are clinging to their careers by a thread. 29th against the Pass, 29th against the run (see FO’s stats ). Williams has 13 years in the NFL, Brennan is the wrong side of 30, Fields might get another shot somewhere as a depth player due to his size and McBean is 4 years out of college with not much to show for it. Very marginal free agents.

by deflated on Nov 2, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

“According to Haggan, the players knew what was coming, but failed to execute. That, IMHO, is a lack of coaching the fundamentals. "

Even if you coach fundamentals to a team full of lesser talent than the opposition, you’re going to lose more often than not. A combination of injuries to some of our best players, poor drafts, and inexperienced starters who may or may not turn out to have been wise picks is the greater problem.

by Broncos_FTW on Nov 2, 2010 2:36 PM MDT reply actions  

You could well be right

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

'may or may not' is key here.

We simply don’t know yet.

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 2, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree Broncos_FTW

I feel all of this is just another way to spin why the broncos aren’t good along with several other reasons, but I would say that is exactly why they aren’t good, is becasue of all those reasons, and good teams find a way to get things right and not wrong, no matter what each of us fans think the issues are.

And the bigger question is whatever the reason they aren’t being fixed, otherwise the broncos would be winning.

by broncos314 on Nov 2, 2010 2:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for offering up your perspective, broncos314

I guessing you and I have a different understanding of the concept of “spinning a story.” To me, “to spin” means to try and make something look better than it actually is.

I haven’t said that the Broncos are playing well. I haven’t said there aren’t problems. What I’m trying to do, like everyone else, is understand why the Broncos aren’t playing well. Personally, I do not find the “the coach sucks/this or that player sucks” approach used by some (mostly on the DP message boards) to be particularly satisfying. It’s hard for me to understand the moves being made by the coaches if I don’t understand the problems they are trying to fix.

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by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I Agree

with your assessment. The Broncos try so hard that they overpursue and yes, we don’t have a lot of bounces this season. If you ever doubt this, look at Troy Smith’s stupid throw off his back foot where he finds Delanie Walker right on the goal line. Questionable calls didn’t help either.

Contrast this with the Raiders-Seahawks game, Oakland got two quirky bounces that worked in their favor that changed the game

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2010 3:04 PM MDT reply actions  

LOL

Those bounces in the Raider game were bizzarre…. gotta hope that this type of fortune balances out over the course of the year.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Nov 2, 2010 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great post Bshrout but....

 I have to go with what I have been watching. They are just not good. Don’t know if they are trying to hard or not but that is part of the game. Coming prepared and ready for your assignments toward the other team is what good teams do. They execute and win. we are not (or unable) to do either.

by pwsbronco on Nov 2, 2010 3:05 PM MDT reply actions  

I would never, ever, at this point in time, claim that the Broncos are playing good football

The question becomes “why” they aren’t. Personally, understanding what the problem is has to precede the implementation of solutions.

Haggan’s comment about being prepared but not executing has kind of haunted me since I first heard it. I’ve been wondering why not. Is it a merely a case of our players all (or at least a majority) being that bad? Is it a case that they have quit? Is it the injuries, the experience (or lack thereof), the coaching, or what? All of the above? None of the above?

I don’t truly know, but I have been wondering if boydy wasn’t on the right track with his concept of “raising the floor,” in other words, making sure the players have mastered the basic demands of the schemes on both sides of the ball. When I see a LB release a TE into the secondary when the entire secondary is following 2 WRs to the opposite side of the field, I find myself thinking that there is a gap between what they were told to do and what they did.

I’m finding myself thinking that has to do with the coaches assuming the players are at a higher level than they actually are. For example, I know all of the terms that my wife uses in teaching her college algebra classes. This does not mean that I can do college algebra. I think McDaniels has missed on that same point. His players know the terms and the scheme, but have not mastered it well enough to make it work on the field.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that's a good point.

Making the parts equal the whole is very difficult in the context of a complex scheme and game plan. i hadn’t thought of it this way but you might be onto something. There really does seem to be a gap between what the players are really prepared to execute and what the coaching staff asks of them. This is a team that often seems overwhelmed, bewildered and it manifests itself in the form of sloppy play and idiotic penalties.

But often the student is only as good as his teacher, so it may well be time for the staff to re-think how they school their players.

Here lie the 2010 Denver Broncos. I'd like to say they didn't go down without a fight, but well...they kind of did.

by TheMastermind on Nov 2, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it's a mistake

to attribute that much to one players comment. The key to the Broncos does not come from one sentence uttered by a middling player.

by Broncos_FTW on Nov 3, 2010 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice post, but

how long do you give McD to prove your points, such as getting the team to play solid fundamental football without overthinking everything? If we are in this same situation at the end of next season (hoping there is one), then I think it’s safe to assume that:
1. McDaniels and his assistants are not able to accomplish this task, and
2. The players McD has brought in are not talented enough.

I am hoping that the players and coaches take this week off and completely forget that football even exists. Start over next week, and get ready for KC!

by cskilly on Nov 2, 2010 5:08 PM MDT reply actions  

My take on your question is probably not the same as most fans

It’s filtered through both my history as a Broncos fan who’s seen losing seasons before, and a teacher who has been asked to totally retool programs and build programs from the ground up.

Typically, when I’ve been asked to retool/create a program from a district, I’ve been told by my administrators that I should anticipate 3-5 years to get the program fully functional. So you’ll find that I’m inclined to give McDaniels that same kind of timeline.

I’ve been told it takes 3 years for most draft picks to prove to be studs or duds. His first draft class is in year 2. IMHO, Alphonso Smith is a prime example of what happens if you don’t give the draft picks the necessary time to mature into effective NFL players.

I will admit that I have been very disappointed in the free agency pick ups that have been made. It seems to me that the veterans who were brought in to shore up the holes, show the younger guys how it’s done, and provide short term help, have not consistently performed up to expectations (mine, not necessarily McDaniels).

I’m becoming more and more of the belief that McDaniels underestimated how quickly his players could master the offensive and defensive schemes being put into place, and has lacked the experience to make quick changes that are effective over time. I also believe his third year will demonstrate whether or not he up to the challenge of being a head coach. IMHO, just as I’ve seen flashes of promise in the players on the roster, I’ve seen flashes of promise in the head coach. Hopefully it will pan out, and we won’t have to go through another “breaking in” period for a new head coach.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Nov 2, 2010 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Solid Post Brian

Ive made this point before and its not to harp on the past but to only illustrate something you just wrote

Alphonso Smith is a prime example of what happens if you don’t give the draft picks the necessary time to mature into effective NFL players

The impulsiveness with draft picks is worrisome to me. Trade a 5th to move up and select Brandstrater only to cut him less then a year later. Brandstrater was a developmental QB like most Qb’s selected in the later rounds. What was McDaniel’s possibly expecting to see out of him so fast? I only bring up Brandstrater because McDaniels liked both him and Phonz enough to trade up to draft him yet they fell out of favor that fast? Doesnt make sense.

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by johnnystarr on Nov 2, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great post Shrout.

Can’t fault a single point. I train a great many young men myself and am also familiar with a person who understands a task and can perform it in one situation but not necessarily another. Repetition & Experience is as important as the initial learning of any task.

I’ve no doubt Pat B will keep McX this year no matter what and next year as well if there are any signs of progress over the rest of this season.

We’re banking on McD learning along with his team, right? Let’s hope he doesn’t lose the team in the process.

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 2, 2010 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Honestly, I've never seen a more Jekyl and Hyde team

We need consistency, and we need to play smart all the time. I see so many mental errors it makes me question what is going on in Dove Valley. Something needs to change, and fast.

I’m not looking for playoffs right now, but I’d like to see a decent to good finish from here on out. I would consider the season not a complete failure if we played more consistent and if we went .500 and turned in a 6-10 season. I’d aim for higher but right now I don’t see that. I was hoping for going 4-4 into the bye, but that obviously didn’t happen.

Hopefully we stick with McD, the players build on their experience for this year, and we can make a run next year.

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 2, 2010 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Things won't

get much better because the Broncos just don’t have much talent. I think we will be doing good to go 4-12. I look forward to McD finally letting Tebow play a whole game at qb at some point and that is about the only thing that I am looking forward to the rest of the season.

by broncorob on Nov 2, 2010 6:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Good Analysis

Nice column, as always, Brian. I fault McDaniels for a lot of rookie mistakes, but lately I think the problem is that the team is tight and exhausted. No more turmoil, let them do their jobs, let’s see how it all works out.

by Baltimore Bronco on Nov 2, 2010 8:59 PM MDT reply actions  

DJ Williams in my mind on passing plays is dumber than a sack of rocks sometimes! Just me...

When he diagnoses a running play he is usually right on it. I don’t know what to think about him anymore…Too wishy-washy for me because there are alot of great takling MLBers…I heard a comment the other day how he DESERVES to ge to the pro bowl this season as a starter because he has so many tackles…Phooey. Let me see some turnovers and blown plays! Then we’ll think about it…

by bfree2bronc on Nov 2, 2010 11:32 PM MDT reply actions  

One nitpick

It was Gaffney that didn’t read blitz on the INT at the end.

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