Where it's time to start more youth, and where it isn't: A list of suggestions.
Greetings,
During and after a rough game yesterday I started giving some thought to where this team is as far as position by position, and where it could either be improved immediately by making some changes, or where the team at least could be preparing for the future.
Quarterback: The position that naturally gets the most focus is Quarterback, and right now there is not surprisingly, even understandably, more clamoring for Tim Tebow to start, or at least get more time. For some people it is because the playoffs now appear out of reach this season, so why not give more reps to the player who is likely the future at that spot. (Btw, I don't throw Brady Quinn into this discussion, even though the MNF ESPN analysts idiotically suggested just that, and no offense to Quinn who could still be a very solid backup, or even a potential trade chip if the Broncos want to keep the Orton + Tebow show going longer than this year - just look at all the desperate teams rocked by injury at that position right now. But the question is Tebow over Orton and here's why I don't think it's right to bench Orton right now, and one reason why it would make sense.
Tebow would be an improvement over Orton in one area, and that is his ability to scramble and run, which is not Orton's forte - although to be fair Kyle is not Craig Morton, either. (Heh.) The reason this is important is because the offensive line continues to be a work in progress, to be kind, and erratic to be honest. There were a few times against San Diego where it was on Orton to get rid of the ball earlier, or get the hell out of Dodge, because the protection was good and Chargers coverage was good; i.e. he had enough time and needed to get rid of it sooner than he did. But quite a few other times there were major breakdowns in blocking, as we'd seen before the KC game, and he, or Moreno, had nowhere to go. Orton continues to be pretty darned accurate on his passes when he's given time, though he did rush a few Monday, and he is generally continues to make the right decisions. Receivers also dropped some very catchable balls in that game, which will get blamed on Orton but should not. He has good rapport with his receivers, too. I think benching him entirely for Tebow would be a mistake right now because the latter is not ready to be an every down passer. In other words, things will not magically get better with him in there right now. However...
Suggestion: Give Tebow a series of downs every game, rather than a play or two, to see what he can do. Keep Orton as starter. Go back to 2 TE sets more often if you need, to give whoever is at QB better protection. Keep running the damn ball so that play actions work better. Next year, it could be Tebow backed up by Quinn, or by Orton, but there are far too many other areas the Broncos need to improve right now to focus on this glamor position.
Like:
Strong Free safety: I love Brian Dawkins to death, when he was an Eagle, and as a Bronco, but the time is now for him to step aside and let someone else step in to start. He has clearly both lost a step of speed, and is not at all the strong tackler he's always been. It's sad to see it, and it's sad to say it, but this strong safety is no longer strong; he and McDaniels and Wink need to come together and do what's best for the team, and that is:
Suggestion: Sit Dawkins and replace him with David Bruton. Bruton is still a work in progress who will make mistakes out there but he's very smart for a young player, and is lightning quick. I don't think he'll be as good a tackler as Dawkins was in his heyday, but he's certainly gonna be a better tackler than Dawkins is now, as well as be much faster to the ball.
Free Strong Safety: Even though Renaldo Hill gets picked on more by fans he hasn't imho been quite as glaringly bad as Dawkins lately, but that's not saying much. I'm still inclined to say it's time to sit him down, too, and put McBath in his place. The only problem with this is that Nick Jones is even more glaringly bad right now, and I'd almost rather McBath replace him in the nickel. So, my:
Suggestion: Replace either Hill or Jones with McBath. My longer term suggestion is of course to draft a safety high in next year's draft, to either be groomed to start or to give them more depth asap. The old guys ain't cutting it any more.
Cornerback: I don't think the Broncos have a lot of choice here right now. Goodman's coverage skills are still missed, as Cox is still learning the game, but Goodman is also pretty useless on tackling. It just makes on appreciate Champ Bailey, who is clearly getting older, but unlike Dawkins, at least is still good enough to still be starting, he's better than anyone else they have. And he can still tackle, but has also lost a step. I think Cox has a future to continue to start, Squid looks more like a good backup to me, and they need to draft another CB here. (I won't get into the Alphonso debate here again, except to say I still wish they'd kept him, but understand why they traded him.)
Suggestion: I got nothing really, except to draft a CB next year, along with that safety.
Linebacker: I'm not sure what to say here, because overall this unit has been playing better and will have more depth when Ayers is back (and next year when Doom is back). Each player has a flaw, of course, but I'm not sure the unit overall is a major problem right now, though, again, a better pass rush from the front 7 would be nice.
Suggestion: Give both David Veikune and possibly Lee Robinson a look soon. I think both would give the defense a nice jolt with some ferociousness and some speed.
DL: Right now, until Ayers, and then next year Doom come back (and they presumably add more in the draft), there's only so much they can do to help this area. I will say that Vickerson was a great pick up (I wish people would praise the good picks McX have made if they're going to question the trades), Thomas has improved markedly, Williams has been very useful to have around. They clearly need to add a NT in the draft next year, whatever way they need to do that. The most glaring player I'd stop rotating in is:
Suggestion: ...Ryan McBean. He plays undisciplined, unsmart, and doesn't seem to do enough good to make up for those mistakes. he should be gone.
Tight End: Unfortunately there's not a lot of in house help here right now. And as we know, TEs in McD's scheme are more important as blockers than as receivers. Gronkowski actually seems like he'll be a good blocker, and continue to not be a good receiver. But as noted above the QBs could use all the blocking help they can get. D Graham has always been one of the better blocking TE's in the league and I haven't focused on him enough to see if he's lost a step there, but he's clearly not of much use anymore as a receiver. Quinn continues to be, shall we say, a work in progress, though like Gronkowski I can see him developing into a good blocker, if he can figure out the offense.
Suggestion: Draft another TE next year. Give Gronk more time as a blocker, and even as an HB/FB like Spencer Larsen, who whiffed on a block big time on Monday (though that was a mismatch).
Running back: Moreno to me has looked better and better every week now that he's getting healthier and now that the line is run blocking a little bit better at least. The short passes to him also seem to work well, though maybe they should've used them earlier than when they were out of the game on Monday. At any rate, Moreno may need to get better at staying on his feet more consistently (but hey he's no Gerald Wilhite) but he looks like he'll be a dangerous runner if he can stay healthy. The problem is more a lack of depth right now, which the Broncos tried to address by acquiring Maroney, but he's been useless alas. Buckhalther, another ex-Eagle I've always liked, looks done to me. Not only can't he run effectively any more but he's not even helping in receptions (dropped an easy one yesterday). I like Lance Ball's potential as a speedy backup, and apparently so do the Broncos, and think Andre Brown deserves a look, too, now that he's back.
Suggestion: Keep running KnowMo; back him up with Ball and activate Brown, deactivate Buckhalter and maybe give Maroney another chance to get a few carries if he's healthy; otherwise that was unfortunately a wasted pick in trade, though I understood the impetus behind it. But Moreno, Ball, Brown. Other guys aren't going to make any headway behind an inconsistent OL.
And at that OL, the Broncos are finally using the guys they should be using, at least, but they are still playing erratically. They were great vs KC, not as great vs SD, BUT I will say they had plenty of good moments, gave Orton time quite often when there was just good coverage, and whiffed some times, too. (And they continue to make stupid mistakes and get penalties which put Orton and co. in these 2nd and long, 3rd and 15, situations that are very hard to reliably get out of. I would keep the same 5 guys in there, understand that with 2 rookies starting there are going to be mistakes as they learn, and give them help from TEs and FB/HBs.
Coach/GM: Like QBs, people naturally gravitate towards scapegoating the coach, and they are not without blame here, but coaches don't tackle, and a new GM can only bring in so many new players to fix things, at a time. Bringing in yet another new coach would only set the team back again, as they would bring in their own scheme and players, and take 3 years of their own to get things right (though now at least the cupboard is not as bare as it was a year ago). I would rather have McDaniels at the helm, even if still learning, than a "veteran coach" like Brad Childress, who brought his team to the brink of the SB last year but is imho a terrible coach and manager of players. There is no savior right now folks. The grass is always greener. Patience is a virtue. And other cliches that fit here. I said before this season, win or lose, the new staff needs one more draft and off season to get their plan and players in place before I judge. I am frustrated, I think they've made mistakes, I want to see more consistency from the offense which is more talented than the defense and thus has less excuses, but I do think they'll get there.
On defense, I am more dubious about Wink Martindale, but in fairness will give him more time, too, given the personnel, as I pointed out above, needs more help and depth.
But these are some suggested fixes which I think will help the team both now, and in the future. Some of these decisions won't be easy for them to make, but that's why they get paid. I'm just doing this for free.
Stay vigilant but peaceful, all.
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I agree with what you said
Hill actually looks like he’s doing a good job to me, but I’m not expert. Jones is very meh as a nickel corner but looks OK as a safety.
As far as Dawk goes, Dawk’s backup is actually McBath, not Bruton. McBath was drafted in the first place to replace Dawk at the end of this year, so we’ll see that happen at the end of the year if not sooner. I’m not sure how well Bruton will be as a future replacement for Hill but I agree that we could see a S get drafted.
As far as the draft goes, we gotta get some more people on the DL. McBean only causes problems. Also need a NT but there really aren’t any top NT prospects around.
by black_knight101 on Nov 23, 2010 10:31 AM MST reply actions
Yeah I realize right now McBath is directly Dawkins backup
so you might be right that’s where they go. Still, I find Bruton’s smarts and speed attractive as a starter and like McBath being the 5th guy in. Then again, if Hill needs to be replaced, too, then Bruton and McBath both should start anyway. Still, either way, depth would be an issue. If Jones and Hill and Dawkins can’t do much with a lot of playing time, don’t know if they’ll be all that more effective even as backups. Anyway, good points. Definitely agree that McBean has to go. I should add a note above about that since I didn’t really look at the DL.
Thanks!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Very much agreed with your takes. I'd start Tebow now but I understand your take there.
Bruton or McBath for Dawkins and the other for Jones. Get em both out as starters.
I think we keep wink for another year too as McD may go after one more as well…
As far as the draft? Our needs are pretty much EXACTLY what they were last year so I hope we go out and draft some more skill players to sit on the bench!! (I don’t want to hear how our O-line needs are fixed! We’ll see)
Let me MHR call the draft picks this year coach!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 23, 2010 11:38 AM MST reply actions
Thanks, and yeah
it has to be the draft since we don’t know what the lockout situation will be in the off season which renders free agency a difficult thing to depend on. I agree, they need to focus on A) adding more depth and talent to the OL and on defense in general.
I mean, look, the Detroit Lions were starting from scratch on defense a year ago, and 2 years ago, or a year ago, even, the Broncos were not that far from starting from scratch on defense, too. And the Lions got Suh, and some other good players in the draft and expectations were high in the preseason that they would be very studly on D and they’ve instead still been pretty terrible. Not saying the Broncos were the Lions exactly, but on defense especially they were a lot closer to starting from scratch when McD came in than fans would like to acknowledge. And the first draft he and Xanders did, they had very little time to prepare for.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
You are very kind
to players and coaches. There were numerous mental mistakes, many the fault of the coaching staff.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
I won't let coaching staff off the hook
and as I said I am even less sure about Wink right now though I do think changing DCs every season is more detrimental ina lot of ways. He deserves another year. But it’s really hard to gauge between mistakes that are the staff’s fault and mistakes that are just players being boneheads, or just not having a good enough player there in the first place. I mean it’s not like coaches don’t drum a lot of these things into players during the week, things that we see the OL doing I’m sure they work on it, and then maybe it’s jitters or what have you but they go and goof up anyway. So I don’t know how we can tell exactly which is players fault and which is coaches, but I know from a lifetime of watching sports that very few coaches win without great players on the field (or court).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Here is my problem
Starting O-Line has played 2 games together, Injuries on defense leave us without 3-5 starters playing every week. DJ had a concussion last night so he could be out a few games too! We are running a decent offense now with a patch work defense. Peyton Manning is using a patch work offense and we see how thats working for him and his middle of the road defense. I am not comparing the Colts and Broncos because that would be asinine, but I am saying we have yet developed depth to deal with 3-5 starters sitting out each week!
Dear Santa- All I want for Christmas is a Stud NT and David Harris- Thank you!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
The Colts
will end up winning their last six games, I think. Peyton is just too good.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Nov 23, 2010 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah as we remember with Elway
when you have one of the greatest QBs ever, which Elway and Manning are among, that can mask a lot of other deficiencies on your team. Orton’s good but he, like all other QBs in the league, is not Manning or Elway.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
BINGO!
Hard to judge Wink or the secondary when we have had virtually zero pass rush. You can’t give guys like Rivers (or even Cassel) that much time to find a WR or they will eat your secondary for lunch.
Officially on record with a 10-6 prediction for 2010! (8/21/10)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
by Broncotodd on Nov 24, 2010 8:58 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Very true
the team has missed Doom even more than I feared, and Ayers too. An unappreciated, by media and fans, aspect of their problems on D this year. Still, more, more, they need more depth in the pass rushing dept because if you depend too much on one guy there anyway you’re, well, doomed.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
We are going to be a D from hell next year with both those guys healthy....
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
I fear we expect too much from Doom. Love him. Miss him!! But he's not a complete player. Let's not get too excited.
Ayers continuing to improve almost excites me more.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 25, 2010 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
OK. I'll temper my enthusiasm.
I hope Wink (or whoever the DC is next year) uses Doom the way Nolan did…. it seemed to get him opportunities for sacks.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
Nice Post
This is one of the most balanced posts I’ve read here on what is wrong with the Broncos. It was analytical and constructive; no false optimism or kool-aid but no knee jerk fire this guy or that guy. Good work.
I agree.
I like that he ID’s the problem, then offers a suggestion….
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
aren't we just supposed to whitewash the problem and shout down suggestions?
Or are we finally past that here in ‘our’ new found humility?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 25, 2010 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
FIre McD isn't a suggestion. It's a demand made my short-sighted whiners looking for a scapegoat.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
Others have suggested that, too, and it's a very intriguing idea
He’s still very smart and a good tackle, and as his coverage skills decline this could be a good idea. It’s why some have suggested signing him to an extension makes more sense than it seems.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
what Champ said:
Champ has said he’d like to finish his career at safety, so we have to consider the idea as more than idle speculation by fans.
Despite warnings against the move, which may still apply in general, Champ is an unusually good tackler who may find his career extended by the move (although not because of wear and tear but because of the lessened need for speed). The offseason should help with learning the position and it simplifies what’s become an uncertain situation because McBath’s injuries. An added justification is that we may be in position to draft a very good CB with our 1st pick. It’s a decision that’s contingent on who’s available when we pick but I think it’s one that we need to consider for a variety of reasons — the age of our CBs, Dawkins age, a full offseason to learn the position. Also, it’s a move we may want to implement after 2011.
The latest rating put Prince Amukamara and Patrick Peterson (Jr.) in the top ten prospects. The shape of the Big Board may dictate our choice because of BPA logic, leaving a starting CB tandem of Amukamura and Cox in our future.
I’m suggesting this idea because it facilitates positive, constructive discussion. Moreover, the world has not ended in spite of what people believe.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
by Colinski on Nov 24, 2010 1:44 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Amukamura is way overrated....at least from what I've seen.
I’ve watched almost all the Husker games since my Tigers are in a fight with them for the Big 12 north title….
I have yet to see why there is so much hype about this guy. He’s got other strong players in the secondary that make him appear to be better than he really is.
Granted, I’m biased, but that’s what it looks like to me.
Officially on record with a 10-6 prediction for 2010! (8/21/10)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Can't say
I’m not in a position to authoritatively say much on him. That should change after tomorrow’s game. However, I use good sources. CBS (formerly Frank Cooney Draft Scout) and Scott Wright’s Draft Countdown are the two primary sources, and both rank Amukamara very high.
My suggestion on drafting a CB in the top ten is merely fodder for discussion. We’re going to be making a decision on Champ and the presence of top CB ‘could’ figure into that decision but not necessarily. It’s an idea that should be evaluated. And most ideas are not implemented. The point of analysis is to develop contingency planning in case a situation arises. I’d actually like to draft a DL or two but it may not be the wisest strategy. At this point, I’m merely evaluating our choices.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
Thanks
for mentioning Craig Morton. I’ve seen film of him, but never watched him live (I was born in 1982…). Thanks Underdog. I hope you and Sweet Polly Purebread are still with me her in Bronco Country for the (consistently) good times. Speaking of which, we’ll be DYNO-MITE!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Nov 23, 2010 12:50 PM MST reply actions
Hehe thanks
I ain’t going anywhere. If I can make it through Super Bowl blowouts and other painful times, I can survive this, as frustrating as it is. I keep the faith.
Yeah I was just old enough to start following football when Morton was around, not as much the first super bowl but around 1981 or so, when Steve Watson was awesome. Morton was a cool QB but was so immobile it was laughable.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I remember that SB vs Dallas very well.
Dallas fans were laughing at us as they had just let Morton go and R Staubach was kicking butt. That dallas team had many guys who later became Broncos.
I hear ya on sitting through losses. That’s why I don’t understand why we act so spoiled here. Imagine if Elway hadn’t stuck around those last two years!
WE’d be the Vikes or Bills!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 24, 2010 6:16 AM MST up reply actions
I couldn't agree more!
Orton stays because he is the better QB right now and that is McD’s philosophy…champ is fine…nate jones and cox are getting picked on…we need more depth at D-line…DT seems too tall to be returning on special teams…he should try blocking for royal instead…which would benefit our offense and DT’s blocking penalties…O-line looks good and will be more consistant in due time…beadles missed a block on that flea flicker…Harris should’ve blocked phillips not larson…
great write up
The glass is usually twice as big as it needs to be.
Yes I believe you're right
I was just being dyslexic. ;-) I fixed it above thanks.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
IMO
we need to generate a pass rush from the DL, and those guys will have to be drafted. We need a reserve pass rusher at OLB, to back up Doom. We need a balanced TE who can do it all. We need a speedy RB to compliment Moreno’s hard running style. We need an enforcer at S in the mold of many Broncos before them (hint, hint Mark Barron). We also need a centerfielder who can make plays on the ball, and we need reinforcements at Corner.
Pretty much agree with all those needs.
Can’t fill everything in the draft so it’ll be a combination of prioritizing need + the best players available.
Oh man, I would love Superman Barron! That would be a terrific addition to the D. I long have missed Atwater.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
There is another way Tebow is better than Orton. Leadership and charisma. He wills people to follow him and he plays with passion. It would be hard not to elevate your play to match his.
Orton is a good QB but he doesn’t will people to perform at their best. He is an aw shucks player who doesn’t get mad or passionate when out there. That said I still don’t think starting Tebow is going to solve anything. I think we keep Orton in there, inflate his stats as much as possible and try to get max value for him in a trade.
The one thing I admire about Tebow, more than anything else
Is the fact that he has cool ice water flowing through his veins, but at the same time has unmatched competetive, emotionally charged fire. It’s a combination of intangibles that I’ve personally never witnessed before, outside of maybe Tom Brady (slamming helmets with his lineman on the sideline, for instance). Keep in mind, these are things that Tebow is guaranteed to have, these are things that don’t magically disappear when transitioning to the next level. You’re either born with them, or not. Matt Ryan also shows this ability, and is one of my favorite up and coming QB’s.
Tebow might throw a pick one drive and fumble the next, but it never, for a second, rattles him. His short memory (another trait of a great one) and confidence, won’t allow him to crumble up when faced with adversity, and nothing will stop him from trying again untill he gets it. I’ll catch some flack for saying this, but we have a very special, rare talent on our hands, and he’s learning to be our QB as we speak.
by PaleHorse78 on Nov 24, 2010 2:34 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Get rid of the dregs on defense! We gave up 21 unanswered points last night and that is unacceptable...
Draft all defense with a DE, NT, SS and a CB, first of all…This defense with the FA’s is really showing their age and need to go now…
agreed
we need to come away from this offseason with all of those positions you mentioned, in hand. The all don’t have to be starters, but they need to be talented, capable players. This team has boat loads of holes to fill, and they need to be aquired in a short amount of time, or this current regime is over.
You know, I told my wife when our offense stutter stepped on the 2nd and 3rd drive that we were going to lose the game and lose big time...
She just looked at me with dumbfounded eyes…I knew it was going to happen just the way they presented themselves and it didn’t take any ‘Lights-Out’ or Vince Jackson or Antonio Gates…It was the Denver Broncos non-chalant way of paying the game of football…
I knew it too my friend
and was personally attacked in the game threads for it. I was told that quitters never win. In afterthought, it looks like we were the smart ones. I was 100% certain it was over, just by reading the body language of our players, and feeling the vibe of the game. It was a story I’ve seen played out before. If one, miniscule, amoeba sized, momentum shift happens to this team, we pee pee our pants and look for blankie. I thought that McD promised tough, smart, adversity handling, players.
You were right. But many posters here will question why you would rather be right
than win? Shouldn’t it suit you to root for the team instead of predicting disaster? I will just never understand that mentality of proclaiming, “Well, it’s over.” after a bad play insetead of , “OK, guys… let’s get back on the horse…. you can do it!” I’d way rather be hopeful and wrong (like I have been this year) than pessimistic and right (like You have been this year). To each his own, I guess. Just doesn’t make sense to me. But you are right. And I have my crow. I guess you feel better than I do?
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
Predict a loss during the week. Get your game face on on Game Day!!!!
I feel ya but I’ll pour my nine dollar beer on your head if you’re in front of me in the stands saying our team’s going to lose until the game’s over!! The same in the game day threads.
We like to support our team to the bitter end while they’re playing see?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 25, 2010 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
I like the idea's for the most part.
Although I don’t think it’s fair to judge Wink yet as he’s been playing with a ragtag bunch of backups that can’t generate a pass rush, no matter how many people he blitzes.
I’m curious about the RB situation. I’m wondering if we aren’t just letting Maroney get completely healed right now. When we picked him up, we needed him to contribute immediately, even though he too was banged up. I think if he’s healthy, he will be a solid complimentary runner to KM. He’s a pretty good RB who looked like crap behind our patchwork OL early on…..he get’s another shot to prove himself in my book.
I might add WR to the list of guys I’d like to see on the field now. Gaffney is a solid WR, but it appears like it’s time to get DT on the field and let him get a rhythm established in the passing game. He did much better in the game where he was allowed to play several series in a row without substitution. I’d like to see Decker get some time spelling Royal, at least until Eddie is completely back to 100%.
As far as focus for next year, I think it should be on the DL, and secondary depth/replacements. I believe that with Doom and Ayers back, the LB corps may be OK (some depth would be nice).
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by Broncotodd on Nov 24, 2010 9:22 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks. I do think Maroney hasn't been entirely healthy
and that is indeed one reason he hasn’t been active. It’s easy for people to judge it just as a bust acquisition but I think it still has time to prove itself. I still would like to add a speedy back to compliment Knowshon (maybe Ball or Brown can be the backup in the future but I doubt it.) I would like to see more from Decker too, It’s clear special teams are not really his strong suit, at least not right now, but I have high hopes for him as a slot WR. I think with Lloyd, Royal, DT and Decker Wr is set in the future. (Not as high on Gaffney this year as I was.) Anyway, it’s clear that injuries and lack of good depth is one of the main reasons the team has struggled this year, whatever mistakes coaches have made it’s really hard to judge em fairly right now.
Look at the Cowboys, I don’t think Wade was a great coach but they lost their QB for the year, had other injuries and just imploded. And unlike Denver they were a SB pick by a lot of people this year. And the Vikings. And the Niners. And the Texans. And a lot of teams that were supposed to be as good or quite better than the Broncos are struggling mightily, and some of that is coaching or luck or whatever,but some is just plain ol’ injuries.
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After playing a yearly game D coordinator roulette over the last several years, it does seem odd and a bit troubling that we’d let the ball settle on Wink. He is certainly not the best or most competent we’ve seen come and go over the last six years. If feels like settling on a lesser coach just for the sake of continuity.
After 26 games where our ST have been outperformed in the vast majority of those contests, I’d be really sad if McD kept Pheifer for another season.
McD 2010 coaching staff is beginning to remind me of Shanny’s in 2008. I hope he assembles a more gifted crew in 2011.
This Bronco squad usually leaves me feeling disgusted.
Yes MANY similarities with Shanny's staff are raising their ugly heads...
And delegation was Shanny’s weakness.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 25, 2010 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the great discussion guys, really added a lot here
There could be a job in management for you. If not the Broncos, then perhaps we can go start up an expansion team. ;) Keep it coming!
Happy Thanksgiving.
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Nice job man and happy Thanksgiving...I agree with all of it...
I would frachise Champ and then trade him for picks if possible. His effort on Sproles was just awful.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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Harv Neptune.
It sickened me
to the point of not being able to watch the game for a few minutes. I was so flaming mad at Champ for that non-play, I had to get my head out of it for a few, or my TV would have layed in ruin on the floor. There was another play like that, on the left sideline, in which a Bronco defender (I can’t remember who it was from anger) tried (not realy) for 15 yards, to bring down the ball carrier. This D is looking more and more like the 2008 version. If I were McD, I’d be very scared, because that type of play from the D, got Mike Shanahan fired in a heartbeat.
It was Renaldo Hill on Crayton....another bad effort.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Made Crayton look like Bowe...
Oh yeah, we made Bowe look like Rice.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 25, 2010 8:56 AM MST up reply actions
Excellent thread
I really appreciate all of the above comments. It is very difficult for those of us who blindly love the Broncos to see the team in this state. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is this rolling over and quitting. I sure hope McD is learning.
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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
Not sure if this has been mentioned somewhere else
But Andre Brown got claimed by someone off our PS, correct? I don’t think he’s with us any more.
"Accept the fact that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue."
Agree with the rest of the post though
Nice job.
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by TheMorseFile on Nov 25, 2010 9:04 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah Shanny grabbed him when the Redskins put Portis on IR.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
by KaptainKirk on Nov 25, 2010 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
I''d bet it's safe to say
that Andre Brown has frequent flyer miles. I wonder if he’s a member of the Mile High Club?
by PaleHorse78 on Nov 25, 2010 11:42 PM MST up reply actions
lol
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Yep old friend Shanny grabbed him off the PS this week
after I wrote this post. Oh well. Poor Brown can never unpack his suitcase ;-)
either way, the Broncos need to draft more RB depth to give Moreno better support.
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