The Art of Mixing Things Up

I’m actually with you.

I don’t think Tebow is the better quarterback by any means. Tebow would come in pumped and motivated. He would be another motivator out there other than the coach to fire his guys up, give them direction, etc.

I don’t believe this to happen this year. I think we should sell Orton out. Meaning show everyone what he can do and pad his stats for a eventual trade. I’ve been saying this ever since we drafted Tebow.

I love Orton, dont get me wrong. Living in Chicago I’ve watched him for quite some time. I think he is talented, smart and decisive. However he lacks the internal fire. Yes, he can lead, and yes he can direct, but is he someone others can cling to for help and inspiration? I don’t think so. Tim seems to be that person.

Thats not for this season, however in my opinion. But great write up!

The last thing we need is to go into next year, and a potential player strike, still not knowing a damn thing about Tebow’s NFL ability. This would make Orton essentially a 4-year trial, while knowing nothing about alternatives.

If anyone is really that patient, I suggest becoming a Zen master. Leave football for those who want to use time for action.

Start working Tebow in but don’t trade Orton unless you can get a king’s ransom for him. He may not be a leader on the field but his knowledge of the playbook makes him indispensable as a backup and mentor to Tebow.

I’d love to see Tebow throw some passes from outside the 2 yard line. Maybe we give him the 2nd quarter vs the Rams.

I still think that KO, for the most part, is not the problem. Actually, I’m thinking the bullseye should definitely be on McD after last night. He looks lost on the sideline and disconnected from the team once things go south. However, since the season is basically lost, we may as well see what he kid can do.

It is time to shake things up.. and a change at QB may just be the catalyst this team needs, winding down a forgettable season. It’s also time to look at some of our younger players on both offense and defense.. we need to know who will be able to help us next year and beyond… now!

Thanks, Tim and rec’d.

I think a lot of fans will agree with you.

I’ve always believed that a team should never play for next year, so your argument about the power that Tebow would bring something to the table that would help us now resonates with me more than the argument that we might as well get Tebow ready for next year.

I’m not sure where I stand right now, but I think a lot of fans are looking for a way to cope with sucking (whether the realize it or not). Some argue to bring in Tebow, others to fire the coach, but I think the goal is the same.

For these fans, if Tebow wins, they were right and everything is sunshine and roses. If Tebow loses, they can use the “He’s still learning, what’d you expect from a rookie” excuse. It’s much easier to cope with that than with the current reasons for sucking: Everything and anything.

Not all fans think like that and I think you are looking for a legitimate way to make this team competitive which is why I like this post.

I completely agree. I feel that the coaches game plan is great and that getting rid of him would put our franchise at a disadvantage.

It seems more beneficial to us now knowing what Orton is capable of stat-wise to take a chance and start Tebow. Worst case scenario he’s not ready and our season sucks, best case scenario he is ready and our season sucks.

he is throwing career highs in every category, so let him increase his trade value then send him off to SF or MIN or something like that. I hope its like a 1st or a 2nd cuz lord knows that D needs to be blown up and started over (maybe keep DJ, Champ, and obviously the 2 injured OLB’s)

I want Tebow to sit for now. We saw how bad Orton was at times starting in his first year with this system and I dont want to see Tebow do that. I want him to be eased into it, and want him to play when McD feels he is ready, which I hope is next year for my plan to work

I’m through with venting over last night. I’m sad and frustrated and disappointed and now have to watch the Rams’ game on atdhe.net or other online sources because the SLC will not be broadcasting it. However, let’s see where this season takes us. Do NOT fire McDaniels, the Vikings will realize how big of a mistake that it was replacing Childress. Remember the Vikes were a playoff team BEFORE His Holiness (Favre, note sarcasm) came along. They traded their future for a mess of pottage, if you will and now the MESS in question is everywhere in Minny. We’re all frustrated but don’t do anything presumptuous. When we’re winning again, the Vikings will be languishing.

Yards don’t mean shit. Points and wins are what matters. Rivers gets the job done while Orton foiled under pressure.

sure tebow’s mobility would be welcomed with our young line that can’t seem to put together solid back to back performances…but the best player plays…and until tebow is the best QB on our roster he will (and should) sit…we have other areas of our game we should be concerned about

I agree fully. After last nights game it is clear we are out of any chance of going anywhere. So lets see what we have in our backup. If nothing else we might have a better idea if we are going to have to draft another QB.
We have nothing to lose now so lets not worry about getting tebow hurt or if he is ready or not lets just see what we have here. I am ready for some hope and spark.
I am ready to see our QB with hunger and desire in his eyes and I know we will see that in tebow.
Win all or lose all lets play him and give him a chance. As was stated above… The preseason starts now…. Great Post Tim

Part of me understands Orton probably would operate the offense better than Tebow and is a better QB “now”, but part of me wants Tebow in because of his ability to scramble and possibly create when things break down.

That’s all I’m saying. I like both QB’s.

That got my really pissed off. I want to yell at him: “you were 1 for 12 on third downs, you have nothing to smile about”. I want my QB to be pissed after he gets his ass handed to him.

Not because I am clinically insane, but because that is the only way we can get the maximum trade value to Kyle Orton. If we bench him now, we will get no more than a 5th or 6th rounder for him.

However, I agree that we need to try new things. I would support getting some of the younger guys a lot more reps. Guys like McBath, Decker, Syd, and maybe even a series or two per game for Tebow.

This season is over from a playoff perspective, so figuring out what we have before free agency and the draft is critical.

Watching Orton laugh it up after the game makes me sick. Why does everyone think hes good? What is his win/lost numbers? Yards dont mean #$@^. It is wins. PERIOD! The guy cannot win a game on his own and QB’s need to be able to do that. And as for the Orton is better than Tebow now comment…that’s a freakin joke. I was at training camp and didnt see it then and don’t believe it now. Start the kid. He led his below average high school team to a state title, his college team to 2 national titles, maybe he can lead us out of the cellar where Orton has left us.

“Gentlemen you are either getting better or getting worse”

Why not? Put in Tebow. Let Laurence Maroney play QB; he isn’t doing us any good in the backfield.

Run reverses, run the Statue of Liberty. Wear leather helmets. Serve Red Bull on the sidelines. Have McDaniels come out dressed like Napoleon for a couple of games. Pull some convicts out of prison to play offensive line. Change the team logo to a middle finger.

Who knows? Who cares? Whatever it takes. The season is lost, the team is rudderless and the fans are in a state of open revolt. What indeed DO we have to lose? More games? That’s no doubt coming.

You know what old Jack Burton always says? He says “What the hell.”

Pull out all the stops, lay it all out and play it all out. And for those of you who think I am joking, I kind of am, but not entirely. McDaniels clearly has a preferred approach, but either the approach is flawed or he does not have the personnel to execute it – and halfway through his second season as coach it is fair to say that both of those issues land at the coach’s feet.

I’m not a coach, and I haven’t played since high school. But logic does dictate that if what you’re doing isn’t working then maybe you should try something else. You don’t do that without a strategy, but you do have to think about it.

All I know for sure is that when Charger Fan came up to me in the office this morning to gloat, I really didn’t have the energy or the desire to fight back. How can I even argue?

You can imagine what he said, and he’s right!

I thought it took 11 players on offense to execute together for a play to succeed in the NFL.

We all saw what happens when the quarterback executes the head coaches game plan (49 points) and what happens when he does not (6 of 7 losses).

What that ends up being however…??? I really do like the idea of both Orton and Tebow playing together. We’ve had success doing that. I’d like to see McD mix it up too. I went to the game last night and wow. I was speechless. The one thing I kept thinking was why we didn’t play Tebow. Oh and I wanted someone to explain to me what just happened. I was surprised we didn’t try an onside kick after the 4th quarter TD. There is so much noise and confusion being at the game it’s difficult to know what exactly happens. I knew I needed to go home and review the game but I still haven’t had the time as yet. As a realistic fan (die hard nevertheless) I know the season is a wash. At least I can’t picture in my wildest imagination getting into playoff contention. But what to do with the rest of the season? Work towards building a solid team of course, but how will McD go about it? I don’t really believe he’ll start Tebow.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16693304

When coach Josh McDaniels was asked today if he would start rookie Tim Tebow at quarterback if the Broncos were mathematically eliminated from the postseason race, McDaniels responded: “I don’t know. Not willing to go there. That’s not the case right now, so we’ll think about that when that happens.”

I need to vent. I have tried to be a McD supporter, but i am seeing serious failings as a coach. First, It’s obvious that he is either unable to make adjustments in the course of a game or the ones he makes are very poor…or both. He’s just simply being outcoached by the other teams who are making the adjustments to what we’re doing and we’re not responding. Secondly, he has no respect for the need for a run game. I have no problem with the “pass to set up the run” type of offense, but you need to keep attempting the run. It seemed after we got behind by one touchdown the run became simply a token, much too early for that to happen, particularly when it was apparent that KM was running with a great deal of heart and authority!

At this point in the season, we might as well evaluate what Tebow can do on the field in “real” games. If he is the QB of the future in Denver, why not get it started during a season where the games no longer count?

I like the idea of mixing it up, no I don’t think that Orton is 100% the problem but he is def not the solution. I was super high on Orton to begin the year and I still thinkn that he is a very good quarterback, but this team needs one thing more than anything else and that is a FIRE light under their backsides. We need passion, grit, determination and the will to win burning deep inside. Tebow brings just that. He might not be ready for leading us to a super bowl but I think that he can help to getthe passion back on the field.
( I was screaming " WHERE IS THE FIRE, SHOW SOME !@# -ing HEART!!!"at the TV last night as I watched Dawk, Champ and Orton “going through the motions” ) We are capable of being much better than we have showed, and IMO a little Timmy Tebow heart could go along way.

“Firing McDaniels now would be a disaster” – Why

Look I don’t advocate firing him now because I really don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, but if McDaniels does not have a clear direction for this team, he cannot change his methods or proceedures, and continues to make flawed choices, what does it matter if he gets fired today or end of the season, we are dead in the water this year. So if he ain’t the coach to lead this team next season and beyond, what difference does it make at this point?

Without a doubt it is time to see what Tebow can do. Waiting until next year is just prolonging what all Bronco fans need to to know. Is Tebow the answer or not. I have been a fan since 1977 and have watched this team through the velleys and peaks and willl continue so until I drop dead,but to continue to wait is crazy. Orton is not the answer.
We need a spark that comes from the quarterback position.

I don’t know if Orton is better I have not seen enough of Tebow to say one way or the other. I know this we are a bad football team who does not score enough points. We are predictable and dull to watch. Our team gets blown out wayyyy to much for my liking. I am willing to go through the " re-building " process with this team,but not with Orton. we have seen too many times in this league when a change at quarterback happens the team responds..not always well but it will change.This team must change it’s tone and Tebow will bring back the entertainment factor we are ALL looking for.

Something definately needs to be done to shake things up cause what the Broncos are doing isn’t cutting it. I voted choice #2 because I think he needs to get some kind of playing time when the game is out of hand. Whether he starts next year or not is yet to be seen. Some kind of spark is needed and where that spark comes from works for me and I am behind it 100%.

Our team does suck and can’t handle adversity one bit. They fold like a card table when one thing goes bad and McDaniels needs to do something to fix this. One thing that bugged me about Orton last night and it has been mentioned in the comments and that is his body language.

I am sure Orton is a very workable QB, but I have high expectations and want to be entertained by my football team. Without the entertainment factor I’m just cheering for a logo. The ride I will take watching Tebow is far more interesting and exciting then watching a QB like Orton. I also think with our young o-line Tebow being mobil makes a ton of sense.
 Through the years the Broncos have not always been the best team or have always been in the top ten, but they have always been fun to watch. This team is no longer fun to watch. BORING and under performing…..not a good combo

I never liked anything about Kyle Orton except he drinks alot and doesnt throw alot of interceptions but he has a lack of heart for the game I think denver should trade him at the end of the season for a couple of defensive playmakers and draft pics make Tebow the starter and Build this team with young guys like the Chiefs built their team with Tebow is a way better player and emotional leader than Orton is and that is what the Denver Broncos need

And, that’s counting the quarterback! What the Denver Broncos defenders don’t get is…You have to defend one of those 6 players…Including the quarterback…What I’m not getting is this…If our cornerbacks have a player to defend (2) WRs then that leaves 3 other possibles plus the quarterback. A slot receiver, RB, FB, TE…What is the job of the IBLers? What is the job of the safeties? What is the job if the nickle CB? Tell me what the problem is? Player malcontent…They were so content with the offenses performance from a week earlier that they figured they could let the game play out…Major mistake. Now we are 7 loses and only have a slim chance of making the playoffs once again…If they win 7 straight they will be 9-7 and still have hope with coopeeration from other teams…This defense if it’s playcalling on Martindale or the players performance has major problems that can’t be corrected in a week…6-10 at the most this season…Sad isn’t it?

“The offense folds at the first sign of adversity, while the defense folds at the first sign of offensive adversity.”

At this point, we’re not going to the playoffs. And, if we do, we’re not going anywhere in the playoffs. It goes against everything I think to actually pull KO b/c it certainly isn’t his fault that our defense is so bad and that our coach doesn’t stick with the run long enough (see last game – 4.5 ypc, but only 15 carries for KM).

Anyhow, I think the time for the youth infusion is now. We know what we have in our starters – let’s see what we have in our young players, as well as give them some much needed experience so we don’t experience as many growth pains next year. Yet I have a feeling that if it is going to happen, it won’t happen until after the next two games. There appears to be some sort of convention around the league that the last four games are when you start building for next year.

Finally, would someone please, please, please take McDaniels some cookies with a note encouraging him to pull DT off of kick returns? I would do it myself, but I moved to the northeast awhile back…

In all the games that KO has looked scared, or been bad on 3rd down, it sure seems like Royal either isn’t playin, or he’s playing without the burst that he is known for. I think people really underestimate how vital his role is in the offense. I’d really like to see Decker get some time in the slot, to let Royal gt completely healthy. He has great hands, and great size.

The drops our receivers had on those 3rd downs, were mostly by guys that aren’t used for that purpose very often. DT’s drop when we would have been in FG range comes to mind…..

Unlike many of the previous comments, I think that missing 1-2 key guys can be the determining factor. I believe if Royal had been completely healthy Monday, we would have been much more competitive.

I am curious as to how Decker is doing in practice, and why they seem to not get him on the field when Eddie is banged up.

Obviously the offense isn’t up to someone whose seen Elway play standards, but at some point, you need to pick, fix the 19th ranked scoring offense or the 30th ranked scoring defense, and at this point, no quarterback is going to win us games, Orton, Tebow, Elway, not anyone.

Also, this is the exact same post that was going around in Cleveland that got Quinn to start and set back Cleveland for two years, both QB’s gone and two injured FA’s out and a rookie 4th rounder starting. Not saying it’s going to happen here, but there are a lot of similarities.