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A Classic KB Rant - The Broncos Pass Rush and Richard Seymour

SAN DIEGO - NOVEMBER 22: Knowshon Moreno #27 of the Denver Broncos celebrates after scoring on a four yard touchdown run in the first quarter against the San Diego Chargers at Qualcomm Stadium on November 22 2010 in San Diego California.  (Photo by Stephen Dunn/Getty Images)

I felt the need to give you a double dose of ranting, today. A little ambitious, I know, but you all deserve it.

I normally write the Rest of the West on a notepad during my lunch break. Today was different, though. I just couldn't bring myself to write about the rest of the AFC West division. My mind wandered, which is not uncommon. I'm usually able to combat my short attention span by putting up some deadlines, but that didn't help. I found my brain running wild with thoughts of the Broncos, instead.

So, that is what this rant is mainly about. If you're still jonesing for a bit of AFC West talk, I did my best to hook you up. I had a brain tangent about Richard Seymour that you may find interesting. I know... it's obvious that he was stupid for punching Ben Roethlisberger in the face but just how stupid was it?

Let the rant begin...

Star-divide

What is Wrong with the Broncos

Forget riding the wave of momentum. The Broncos are officially done. I'm putting the Koolaid aside and coming at you with straight talk. I don't think the Broncos have any chance to make the playoffs this year, but I still have a ton of questions as the season progresses. First of all, and most importantly... What are the Broncos?

It's not as if they lack talent at every position. Yes, there are a few trouble areas but what team doesn't have that? We saw that the Broncos have talent during the game against the Chiefs. The Broncos dominated the first half. There wasn't a single drive in the first half in which we failed to score a touchdown. The talent is evident.

Flash forward 8 days and the Broncos went 1 for 12 on third downs. The talent didn't show up.

The problem isn't a lack of talent, it's inconsistency. I sat and thought about what causes inconsistency in a football team and have come up with the following variables:

 

  • Inexperience
  • Playcalling
  • Preparedness
  • Lack of Discipline
  • Lack of Focus
  • Lack of Mental Toughness

 

At any given point of the game, you could see a number of these things playing out. But why? In the opening drive, the Broncos worst play was a 4 yard touchdown scamper by Knowshon Moreno. That's just because he could only get 4 yards on the play. That's the only time that the Broncos scored until the 4th quarter. Talk about inconsistent...

It bothers me that this team struggles because I don't see a quick solution, no matter how many different angles I look at it.The problems seem to be deep rooted somewhere. One change can't fix it all. You fire the coach, you'll set back the team. If Coach Josh McDaniels is fired, the Broncos could maybe make it back to the playoffs around 2015 or so. If the Broncos throw most of the defense away in the offseason and draft for younger players, we're still looking at a few more years to let them develop. These things don't just happen overnight.

At the same time, I'm not of the opinion that scrapping everything would solve our problems, either. To deny that this team has the talent to win games would be to admit that you skipped the Chiefs game. The pieces are clearly coming together, offensively. On defense, unfortunately, things aren't so clear. McDaniels patched it together the best he could with some veterans, hoping that it would hold until the season ended. However, it's evident that the patch has some serious leaks.

It starts up front. We've struggled to pressure the quarterback all season long. I'd love to make up a solid excuse for them, but when the Broncos rushed 3 defensive linemen, Philip Rivers literally took a nap from the boredom. If your defense is dropping 8 men into coverage and praying that Philip Rivers suffers a spell of narcolepsy, you have problems. Even when the Broncos rushed 4 men, Rivers had all day. This needs to be remedied in the offseason.

 

The Bronocos Secondary is Influenced by the Pass Rush

In my opinion, the defensive line is clearly the problem. Yes, the secondary was exposed against San Diego, but if the Broncos had any kind of pass rush, the game would have played out differently. If you are giving a quarterback all day to throw, said quarterback will have a much larger area to throw the ball. Simultaneously, the secondary has a much larger area to defend.

It's simple mathematics.

Let's assume that you have a wide receiver who can run a 4.5 second 40 yard dash. You give the quarterback 2 seconds to throw the ball. That means the wide receiver will have the opportunity to run 17 yards in a straight line. If you give the same quarterback 5 seconds to throw the ball, the WR will have the opportunity to run 44 yards in a straight line. 

That's a straight line. That doesn't even account for the fact that a WR can travel anywhere within the confines of the football field.

That's a ton of space for your secondary to cover. Take into account that the Broncos secondary was playing against Philip Rivers, who is on pace to break Dan Marino's season passing yards record, and you are flirting with disaster.

The Broncos have a lot of work to do, but first on the list shouldn't be "What should we do with Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow?". It should be "How in the world can we get some pressure on the quarterback without blitzing?".

 

 

Richard Seymour

To put it terms of a Thanksgiving feast, Richard Seymour is a full-sized portion of classless jerk with an extra helping of stupid, on the side.

I understand that when you sign your contract with the Raiders that there's a clause at the bottom indicating that you must have at least 2 boneheaded plays per game. I can also understand that Ben Roethlisberger is a polarizing figure and maybe Richard Seymour figured that he'd punish Ben physically... but that punch to Ben Roethlisberger face was still out of line.

Whatever the excuse that Seymour concocted in his head, he was acting like a whiny 14 year old. I've heard his actions called a number of things, since the story unfolded on Sunday: classlesss, juvenile, stupid, funny, pitiful, and uncalled for, among other things. I believe that all of these descriptions can be combined into one easy word.... "Raideresque".

However, something that really shocked me was when I read the following:

I would like to take this time to thank Richard Seymour for punching Ben Roethlisberger in the throat during the Steelers 35-3 victory over the Raiders this weekend. I truly believe the world would be a better place if this happened more often. Unfortunately, due to the unfair nature of the NFL, he will be unjustly fined for his heroic actions.

        - www.edwerdersmustache.com

Granted, this is a mostly satirical site, but if you google search "Seymour did us a favor", you will find a number of results. To that, I say, "Really?".

Punching someone else is doing America "a favor"? How so? Because it shows that you don't know how to conduct yourself like a decent human being?... Forget that, even. You don't even have to possess "a decent human being" gene to realize the stupidity of this. Think about it from this perspective....

Richard Seymour is a football player. He is paid to tackle the ball carrier and knock the quarterback into next week, as long as it's before the play ends. How stupid do you have to be to just cold clock somebody after the play? It's not like the game was over and you will have to wait until the next game to knock someone senseless. Seymour should have done what any rational football player would have done. Line up on the next play, put a swim move on the offensive lineman and smash Ben Roethlisberger into 2012.... you know... after the lockout.

I cannot emphasize how stupid that punch was. You're paid to tackle the quarterback. Hey Richard Seymour, why not just do it on the next play? Not only will you nix a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and save yourself from getting ejected, you will also be cheered by the fans and add a nice little +1 in your sacks column.

It's a win-win-win-win if you just play football... but instead you chose to be a lose-lose-lose-loser.

Happy Smacksgiving, everyone!!!

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"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Nov 23, 2010 8:42 PM MST up reply actions  

While I totally read that wrong at first...

I still wouldn’t find that palatable personally even to Rivers. Unless you meant the fine from sacking him into 2012….Then I’d be all for it.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Nov 23, 2010 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

It is the Defensive scheme!

Last year we used press man on the receivers (Including V. Jackson, Gates, etc) and disguised our pressure. We ran up a total of 6 Sacks on a better Charger team.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/denver-broncos/09000d5d8138e618/Broncos-34-Chargers-23 A MUST SEE VIDEO

As much as I hate Jammie Dukes (I HATE Jammie Dukes) he was right, Mike Nolan brought the heat and if he was still here we would have a different outcome this year! This was our single biggest lose this off-season. I didn’t see it at the time and talked smack about Jammie Dukes and Company but they where right. We need to bring in someone who can really call the 3-4 properly. DOM CAPERS, DICK LEBEAU…cough, cough!

My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch

by 2010oc on Nov 23, 2010 9:51 PM MST up reply actions  

You can't praise Nolan for that

Without mentioning that he failed to ever repeat the feat in the second game here. We have used a 4 man line to good effect and we also failed with it against the Raiders. And we did a better job defensively against the Titans this year than Nolan accomplished with Miami.

Pine for a lot of things, but not for the loss of Nolan. He’s a fine coach, but like every coach, he’s better with better talent.

"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Nov 23, 2010 11:09 PM MST up reply actions  

No

we need continuity to our DC position. I don’t want another DC coming in and having to start the defensive scheme all over again. Results with this defense and the scheme are not going to be instant.

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

by broncoholic on Nov 24, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Nice write up KB.

The lack of a pass rush won’t be solved this season, but at least I can see what our rookie QB looks like. lol

Can’t wait to have Doom back.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The artist formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Nov 23, 2010 7:29 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Doom may have had such a big year because of Nolan's schemes.

What say you? Do you think he could be as effective in Wink’s world?

-Harvey J. Neptune

Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy

by HarvJNep2n on Nov 23, 2010 10:25 PM MST up reply actions  

The thing is we've already talked about the needs on the line TO DEATH.

crickets from the front office

He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA

by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 23, 2010 8:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Tim, you've been making some good points.

Articulating ideas can be challenging, but you’ve got a knack for it.

by oorange blood on Nov 23, 2010 10:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks!

You fail at something long enough, eventually you begin to get better. lol Then again, I’m still waiting for this Broncos team to do that!!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The artist formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Nov 24, 2010 1:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Frankly, I liked the Seymore cheap shot.

For me it was a win/win. First, I always enjoy seeing a Raider make a bone headed move; and since the Raiders make so many of them, it’s an endless source of entertainment.
 
Second, I don’t like Roethlisberger. I must admit seeing him get slapped to the ground like a little b—ch made me warm and happy inside.

by BroncoMarc on Nov 23, 2010 7:53 PM MST reply actions  

So what are you really saying...

…that you’re totally amused with “a little b__ch”-slapping, or just that you enjoy unsportsmanlike conduct in general?

by 9798 on Nov 24, 2010 8:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe he has daughters, which made him happy to see Ben get hit.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Nov 24, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I "only" have a niece

But I am right there with you!

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Nov 24, 2010 8:24 PM MST up reply actions  

The point is that Roethlisberger has never been charged in either Vegas or Atlanta...

…and in this country, a person is still considered innocent until proven guilty. The thing that you and BroncoMarc need to really think about is this, if you didn’t actually witness Roethlisberger sexually assaulting those two, young women, then how can you be 100% sure that he is guilty? How?

by 9798 on Nov 25, 2010 12:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Where there's smoke there's fire.

Let’s just say I work in a closely related field. Certain personality traits are evident in people prone to certain types of rape. Judging by commonalities in both sets of allegations, Ben’s alleged actions smack of someone who would be classified as a “power/control rapist,” someone who cannot handle being told no.

Do I know he raped anyone? No. Do I find it disgusting that he would engage in any of the behavior he did with a drunk 20 year old? Yes. Marc and I are allowed to think the guy is scum.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Nov 27, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh, and

If you didnt’ witness anything, how can you be 100% sure he is innocent? How? And the “innocent until proven guilty” is well and fine, in a court of law. No one is prosecuting a crime on this thread.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Nov 27, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the poor defense has been pretty consistent. We beat Kansas City despite our defense, not because they helped out all that much. The defense was just given a break because our offense jumped out so far ahead so fast.

We used to be able to get away with it (to a point) because our secondary was so good. Last season Goodman/Bailey/Hill/Dawkins was an impressive secondary, and was good enough to make a 3rd string line look like a 2nd string line.

We upgraded our D-Line to 2nd string quality level, but now the secondary isn’t as good, so it still looks 2nd string. The lesser pass rush doesn’t help, either.

Anyway. In addition, I think we’re worse than last year in terms of nickel and dime. Over at footballoutsiders, we’re not bad against #1 and #2 WRs, but we’re awful against #3 WRs.

The one silver lining is that we actually have seen marked improvement in our offensive line, and that’s very encouraging for the future. We ideally should draft another left guard and have Beadles as our 6th man, but I’m not sure we have the luxury. Same with a tight end, it’d be nice to get one that can both block and catch, but I think it’s a luxury.

We need to focus 100% on defense, and I think that means safety, corner, and basically whatever front seven we can find. I’d also prefer we don’t go hog-wild in defensive free agency because it just gets in the way of chemistry among our younger defensive players.

by tunesmith on Nov 23, 2010 7:59 PM MST reply actions  

Nate Jones
we’re not bad against #1 and #2 WRs, but we’re awful against #3 WRs.

Smith wasn’t good for us, but I don’t care how versatile a 30 year old CB is when the versatility is with mediocre skill. I’ve seen two or three good plays out of Nate Jones this year. One yesterday when he was blitzing and the other two were hits on HIS receiver because he was 10 steps off him. Put Squid in there or Vaughn, and we’re at least no worse off.

McD’s dedication to versatility might be his only trait that drives me nuts. If they aren’t very good, then who cares if they’re versatile!?!?

by David J. on Nov 23, 2010 8:17 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree it seems like they are trying something that hasnt been seen before

but its stupid. All the “versatile” players that McD talks up so much are terrible. Hochstein is versatile and terrible at multiple positions. Nate Jones is versatile and terrible at multiple positions. Putting DT in kick returns for the sake if being “versatile” is very ill advised. I’m not a scout but i can tell you that DT does not have the elusiveness to avoid the big hits on Kick returns. He will absorb them fully. This isnt his game and i dont know how McD cant see this. Same reason randy moss isnt back there. Yeah he’ll get you past the 20 with his speed but he is gonna absorb blows because he isnt a shifty.

by ShyandObese on Nov 23, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup

DT gets blown up on every kickoff return, it seems. Oh, and he got injured on one again!

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Nov 24, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Seymour likes hair pulling too.

Just ask Ryan Clady.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Nov 23, 2010 8:24 PM MST reply actions  

I'd be blasting Seymour if he had done it to any other QB...

but I believe in karma….and Big Ben had it coming. lol

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 24, 2010 1:06 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Big Ben did look like he touched him, while verbally rubbing it in

Big Ben is a big, nasty dude, but not as big and nasty as Seymore. It looked like he had it coming.

by PaleHorse78 on Nov 24, 2010 5:27 AM MST up reply actions  

They are both less than zero in my book

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Nov 24, 2010 7:22 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

My post and your reply to my post must have went the way of the worm-hole...

…but to answer your question, “Yes, sadly.” IMHO, I think that everyone, be they male or female or whatever, has basic value in the general scheme of life…be it terrestrial, celestial, or cosmic…and I think it’s every leaders’ responsibility to advance those types of theorems.

by 9798 on Nov 24, 2010 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

All I stated was a fact that Seymour pulled Ryan Clady's hair

and you called me a pinhead for it. You just contradicted yourself.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Nov 24, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

But I didn't respond to you when you posted how "Seymour likes hair pulling too", now did I?

Nope, I didn’t respond until you said, “They are both less than zero in my book,” which is why I had said “everyone has basic value.” How could that have been in the context of just Seymour pulling hair?

As to your claim that I had called you a pinhead, that’s not accurate, either. I believe that what I had actually insinuated was that you, as one of the leaders of MHR, shouldn’t have sunk to the level of pinheads (by claiming two human beings to be without any value at all). Does this sound familiar now? Or do you want to keep claiming that I called you a pinhead when I did no such thing?

by 9798 on Nov 25, 2010 12:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Other than self-defense or fear of imminent death, when is there ever a valid reason for striking another human being...

…and thinking it totally funny? You’re one of the leaders on MHR. Shouldn’t you be trying to set a better example?

by 9798 on Nov 24, 2010 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

We are soft

That’s the problem with 2010 Broncos. McD promised tough players, but what we see is a soft team. Even when we come out of the gate strong, we only play well when everything goes well. KC game went well – we did OK. In SD game we started strong, but first sign of adversity – fake punt – deflated the team. Nothing was working after that. Not offense (3 and outs, 1 3rd down conversion and in the end no scoring). Not defense – failing to stop SD even when opportunities were there. And this has got worse as the season progressed.

by si_ice on Nov 23, 2010 8:31 PM MST reply actions  

Well, KB, you scatterbrained yourself into a fine article . . .

You really gave a great scolding to Sleezemore. I hope someone gives him a copy of it.

It was also refreshing to read absolutely nothing about the quarterbacks or the coach . . . well, you mentioned them, but you know what I mean.

But actually, I wouldn’t have minded a Seymore coming to the Broncos. Remember Romanowski? Of course, you do. Douchebag extraordinaire. Punched the coach in the locker room one day. Of course, we know about the spitting incident. And he gave the whole defense an attitude. And the team won.
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Nov 23, 2010 9:53 PM MST reply actions  

Remember Al Wilson?

He gave the whole defense an attitude, but he wasn’t dirty. That’s what I want. :)

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 24, 2010 7:10 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Wilson and Mobley

::sigh::

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 24, 2010 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Wilson #56

I still wear the guy’s Jersey.

by ThatemW on Nov 24, 2010 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't forget Atwater

Classy and every ball carriers nightmare.

by WABroncoFan on Nov 24, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I do believe that most of the talent is there on the offensive side of the ball

the defense is a different story alltogether. There are too many players on the wrong side of 30, to be counted on as money. I do believe we need a OT, speedy RB, and TE, but the D needs way more than that to be counted on.

by PaleHorse78 on Nov 24, 2010 1:11 AM MST reply actions  

I hate to say it

we need more players like Seymore, on this team. What would you rather have, a guy that will bust mouths, when push comes to shove, or a bunch of uninspired pansies like we see most weeks. The lack of NASTY on this team is killing us, IMO.

by PaleHorse78 on Nov 24, 2010 1:14 AM MST reply actions  

I'd rather have an Al Wilson, to be honest.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 24, 2010 7:10 AM MST up reply actions  

What, a mixture of

saying and not saying? ;-J

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 24, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree with the second part, but I don't think we have the defensive line.

I saw them get stood up in pass coverage far too long on Monday night… and week 10… and week 8… and so on.

It’s not just playcalling. Our defensive line needs help in the worst way.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 24, 2010 7:13 AM MST up reply actions  

I would agree that Williams, Vickerson and Bannon are playing better than our secondary (which includes the atrocious Nate Jones).

This Bronco squad usually leaves me feeling disgusted.

by McGeorge on Nov 24, 2010 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Pretty sad when

you find yourself sometimes pining for the “good ol’ days” of the Browncos D-line…

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Nov 24, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Loved your post KB

I’m a relative newbie to MHR and I really have come to love this place! Unfortunately, my laptop will be in the shop for the next few days and I won’t be able to get my MHR fix. Boo hoo for me! Anyway, I agree with most if not all of your rant. F… Mr. Seymore. What an idiot. I don’t care much for Rothie but that was way over the top! And about the Broncos… Well they are the reason we pull our hair out. Love ‘em anyway. I’ll be burried with my Elway jersey! See you guys later…
SS

We bought this teritory with our body and souls then we watered it with our tears.

by stevestephens on Nov 24, 2010 3:51 AM MST reply actions  

“If Coach Josh McDaniels is fired, the Broncos will maybe make it back to the playoffs around 2015 or so.”

This is a MHR line I see utilized often in order to scare free thinkers into believing something that just is not true.

The Dolphins went from 1-15 to playoffs in one off-season. That 1-15 Dolphin team was much less talented than this Bronco squad. Teams go from great to terrible and terrible to great in one season ALL THE TIME in today’s NFL. It’s usually a function of good coaching and a good draft that takes them there. If you guys watched the game Monday, you can see that right now, we have bad coaching as one of our problems.

Some of you guys will keep playing this tired line, but everyone else, please know its BS. Don’t ever feel afraid to ask yourself, is Josh McDaniel’s the best man for our HC job. When that answer is evident, that is the time to cut bait or sign Josh to an extension.

This Bronco squad usually leaves me feeling disgusted.

by McGeorge on Nov 24, 2010 5:39 AM MST reply actions  

Did I say that McD isn't to blame?

I don’t recall doing so. I listed playcalling and preparedness as two of the six causes for the Broncos’ inconsistency. That’s 1/3 of the list, McG.

What I did say is that I think there are bigger problems than the headcoach. The defensive line is a big one.

I will also say that the Dolphins aren’t going to win their division this year, despite making it to the playoffs last year. If they don’t make the playoffs, should they fire their HC because they’re regressing???? After all, they did throw a lot of money at free agents this offseason (Marshall and Dansby).

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 24, 2010 7:18 AM MST up reply actions  

More than just 1/3 of the list...

Coaching directly affects 5/6 of your list, and actually 6/6! The amount on each that coaching affects varies of course but a good coach puts players in the position to succeed thus helping to overcome their inexperience. Playcalling and Preparedness definitely, but lack of discipline is shared equally by the coaches and players. The right type of practice routines helps undisciplined players get better in that area. I have watched teams who were labeled with the “lack of focus” tag remove that in one year with the right coach and mental toughness is established from the top down… it does all start with coaching.
This team has no strong personality on the field, and as I watch MickeyD (I’m going to start calling him “MickeyD” because of the Mickey Mouse way he’s approaching his job) he looks lost and devoid of passion when things go south on the team, the team reflects that on the field. It has affected even Champ and BDawk in their uninspired play. It takes a lot to de-motivate a player with the established history of BDawk, he has earned the right to not have his passion questioned, there must an outside source to cause this in him. No pro sport is affected by good/bad coaching more so than Pro Football. Look at Dallas, what Bronco fans are surprised by W.Philips lack of success? We saw that coming based on our experience! How does a team that talented not win? Bad coaching. Mid-way through his second season we should be seeing something from MickeyD that tells us we are heading in the right direction, I don’t have a telescope that strong to see that!

Heres my estimate on the attributable % on each item:
(coaching% / player%)

    * Inexperience (40% / 60%)
    * Playcalling (70% / 30%)
    * Preparedness (70% / 30%)
    * Lack of Discipline (50% / 50%)
    * Lack of Focus (50% / 50%)
    * Lack of Mental Toughness (60% / 40%)

IMHO

by rubincarterrocks on Nov 24, 2010 9:03 AM MST up reply actions  

What you said is “If Coach Josh McDaniels is fired, the Broncos will maybe make it back to the playoffs around 2015 or so”

That is a bush league comment or a wild a## guess. I know a bush league comment when I see one because I’ve made a few before I wish I had back. If you don’t see what is dubious about your sentence above, that is an indictment of your credibility.

This Bronco squad usually leaves me feeling disgusted.

by McGeorge on Nov 24, 2010 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

The coaching, not just HC, is a “big” problem right now. Our coaching has been a weakness or liability in 2010, just like our safety play or constant ST struggles thanks to Decker and a few others. I can list a lot of big problems right now. There are many on display as we keep getting destroyed on the field.

This Bronco squad usually leaves me feeling disgusted.

by McGeorge on Nov 24, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

The Dolphins also did that

with good drafting and acquisitions. We have an offense, that if plays are called right or if the other team falls for the same tricks every time that can score and is set. But our defense needs an overhaul.

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Nov 24, 2010 8:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Why can't we ever just run a fricken normal pass play?

its always play action with 2 recievers running come back routes, or a screen, or a friggen fake reverse with a flea ficker hook and ladder with a play action. Eddie Royal, our best kick returner, never returns kicks because he has to be the 3rd or 4th WR, which quite frankly doesn’t play a whole lot.

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Nov 24, 2010 8:25 AM MST up reply actions  

It's just a stylistic thing.

Why did Shanny have Plummer play action to a naked bootleg? Because it worked.

Granted, McD’s plays weren’t very effective after the first drive of the SD game, but they proved to work great against the Chiefs. So, idk…

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 24, 2010 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Best post of the day (so far)

Great points McGeorge. If McD is the wrong guy, he’s the wrong guy and the sooner he’s gone the sooner we can get on with an improvement.
I’ve asked on a prior post what the rationale is for keeping McD and the best (only) argument was that Bowlen can’t afford to pay a 3rd coach. Nonsense.
And the argument that we dont have time to change again is also nonsense. Thank you for calling that out.

by FanSinceTheDonHornEra on Nov 24, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Best post of the day (so far)

Great points McGeorge. If McD is the wrong guy, he’s the wrong guy and the sooner he’s gone the sooner we can get on with an improvement.
I’ve asked on a prior post what the rationale is for keeping McD and the best (only) argument was that Bowlen can’t afford to pay a 3rd coach. Nonsense.
And the argument that we dont have time to change again is also nonsense. Thank you for calling that out.

by FanSinceTheDonHornEra on Nov 24, 2010 6:11 AM MST reply actions  

Here is a problem I have with KBs statement.

If we give McD a contract extension today that runs thru 2015, is there evidence to suggest we’ll make the playoffs by between now and 2015? The flip side of KBs coin is that Denver might not make the playoffs with McD as our coach thru 2015. And I bet KB didn’t even contemplate this, but it’s just as possible. The Bills haven’t made the playoffs in forever and bad coaching is a key ingredient in that. Right now, the Denver Broncos are poorly coached. Assuming McD is about the fix that is like assuming the weather on Feb 10th of 2011. It’s just an assumption or guess with little backing it.

This Bronco squad usually leaves me feeling disgusted.

by McGeorge on Nov 24, 2010 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

My best argument for keeping McD

First off, he’s a rookie head coach, I think ANY rookie head coach, if being given an opportunity, must be given three years at the very least, to show what he can do/ how he leads the team to progress.

Second, We’ve seen many sparks of good things from him. Or at least, I have. Sure there have been bad, but with any rookie head coach, there will be mistakes and downfalls.

Third, I don’t want to see the revolving door at the HC position, and that’s how you start something like that, is acting impulsively….. Or the D Coordinator position anymore for that matter. Let’s ride things out for another season and a half before we start calculating how good McD is or isn’t. Then we can all look at it in complete context. Rookie head coach, what’s he done after 3 years? That seems reasonable. four would be the ideal model to be able to fully judge the progress, but three might be all it takes to know.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 24, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

With Shanny on the payroll thru 2011, there is very little choice but to keep McD for the 2011 season.

IMO – firing McD before that time is not even debatable or an option Bowlen would consider. He’ll see next season all the way through. I’m all for that BTW.

But if his team is in that 7-9 or worse range in 2011, it should be curtains on the McD tenure – no questions asked.

This Bronco squad usually leaves me feeling disgusted.

by McGeorge on Nov 24, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Please elaborate.

Can you give a few examples of the “many sparks of good things”?
I am truly not being a smart aleck. I don’t live in Denver, rarely see a game from start to finish and only get highlights (and since the Broncos are far off the national radar screen, these are limited) and read on sites like this.
What is it about McD that gives cause for optimism?

by FanSinceTheDonHornEra on Nov 24, 2010 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

a few examples/causes for optimism
  • The effectiveness of (many) passing plays. Heck just having a receiver with over 1,000 yards and 7 TD’s after 10 games is very uncommon, and to me a sign of effective play calls and execution. Overall, McDaniels’ style of Offensive scheming (potential) is at an elite level.
  • McDaniels himself is not inconsistent. Don’t let the on-field execution sway your opinion of this fact. McDaniels is drilling specific plays, schemes and game-situations in every player. It obviously hasn’t taken the desired effect – i.e. consistently reflecting this on the field with performance, but as a coach, he is being very consistent in his teachings.
  • Goal line stand in the KC game. McD and the FO selected Wink as the DC, and I feel McD and Wink are on the same page…. The defense, including schemes, will come together on a consistent basis, before the end of this season. Injuries have seriously impacted the player’s comfortability in the Defensive schemes.
  • Enthusiasm. McDaniels has it in spades. I for one, love having a head coach that can relate to players better than the older coaches…. Fist pumps, jumping in the air and bumping hips with players. I don’t see any negatives about (any/)Our coach being so enthusiastic. I wasn’t around for Red Miller, but I imagine he and McD have some good things in common. I don’t think anyone can fully understand the importance of this one (including myself). But this one alone, is an awesome deal to me. Having a coach who gets excited, or pi$$ed off as I do/with me, gives me reason to believe in him, as I can relate. When a head coach is just on the sideline with a poker face, that’s just irritating.
  • Last but not (necessarily) least, McDaniels can and does voice his opinion. For instance, Shannahan was asked about how he feels about going back to Orange home jerseys (the last time I remember this was in the ‘07 – ’08 offseason), and not once, did he give an answer either way. McDaniels, after the KC game, was asked how he liked the Orange jerseys, and if he would prefer them to be the regular home jerseys. He was not shy at all in stating that he liked the orange jerseys and the players do too, and that he would like them to be the regular home jerseys. Not many head coaches will give an opinion on something like this, when potentially the fan base could be completely split in half and his answer could ’tear’ the fan base further… This is why I think Shanny wouldn’t answer this. I like a coach who isn’t ‘afraid’ to speak his mind. McDaniels is a risk taker. This can be a really good or a really bad thing. None of us know as of yet, to what degree, and which he tends toward. After next season, we’ll have a good three season sample-size to legitimately weigh this.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 24, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I liked it better when McD and Nolan were not on the same page because Nolan’s D played better than Winks.

This Bronco squad usually leaves me feeling disgusted.

by McGeorge on Nov 24, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Zing!

LOL… Apparently – possibly too true.

I think this year’s D is technically in it’s equivalent to what last year’s offense was, in terms of familiarity with systems/schemes…. I have a feeling Wink got plenty of ideas from Nolan, so that should give a bit more credence to more than ‘first year’ familiarity though….. hopefully, We keep seeing progress, and everyone’ll be happy.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 24, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Thank you

I’ve asked this question about McD in a few places on this board and you are the first and only to respond.

1. I agree with you on the first point about the passing game. I dont agree that his play calling is at an elite level. Better scoring efficiency could get him there. Great OC. Head coach? Not so sure.

2. Whether he is or is not inconsistent is probably not something that we fans can tell, right? Do we know that he is drilling this into every player? Evidence?

3. Goal line stand. OK. That the defense “will come together on a consistent basis before the end of the season” seems like it is debatable.

4. I agree with you that he is one of the more enthusiastic HCs in the NFL. As much as you like it, I admit that I don’t like it. I get excited as a fan, but I think his antics are bush league.

5. If he’s voicing his opinion in the local media, that’s great. I dont see this from where I live. Im not a big fan of how he presents himself in the post game press conferences. Snorting, shrugging. He seems either dismissive or filled with false bravado. Just my opinion

THanks Pearl for your opinions. THat’s what this site is supposed to be about, right? Sharing opinions?

Happy Thanksgiving anyways.

by FanSinceTheDonHornEra on Nov 25, 2010 7:25 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

And thank you!

1. – Time will be the telling factor. Now that Orton and company are more comfortable with offensive plays/schemes, We are beginning to see the true potential of his play calling ability/prowess. Season three of his tenure will be the true all encompassing tell (if it comes to pass, that is)

2. – The only evidence I can offer, is being at training camp for the first week and seeing it first-hand. That and reading about it being drilled in player interviews and the like.

3. – Definitely debatable and up in the air. Another Goal line stand against the Rams was great, but the D is far too inconsistent, and unfortunately the only consistency in the D seems to be lack of pass rush. =(

4. – I can see how some don’t like this aspect. I wonder what the actual ratio of fans who do/don’t like this is at? Not that We’ll ever accurately know, but I can’t help but wonder.

5. – I can see how he seems very nonchalant/dismissive/etc. in press conferences…. It would also be nice if he could quit contorting his face every three seconds, but that part is really fun if you pause the feed, and go frame by frame…. Makes for some good laughs with some of the faces he puts on. But he is as open as a HC can be… I appreciate his overall open-ness when it comes to these, and of course, that is my opinion.

I appreciate the dialogue in sharing Our opinions FSTDHE! It is what We’re here for! Hope you and Yours had a great holiday as well! Thank you.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 29, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

I am still thinking that McD needs help.

Throw a new coach into a role that has him being GM as well as head coach? Doesnt make much sense. I love what McD has brough to the Broncos, but it may be too much for him to try to handle so much responsibility. I dont know if it is that, or just plain inexperience on McD’s part as to why we pretty much suck this season. As a fan I am pissed. We have so much potential, and to go out and embarass ourselves on the field like we have……it hurts.

Bronco Champions are being forged as we speak.

by BroncoRick69 on Nov 24, 2010 7:30 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

He's got help but-

He’s got Dawkins and Champ, they are great still. They just aren’t the force anymore. I think they spent the whole 3rd quarter saying we have the 2nd oldest defense.
I bet Pat gives him two more years. As a fan he’s got until the draft (I can’t believe I’m already waiting for the draft), I want some D talent on that day.

by ThatemW on Nov 24, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

The problem is a lack of talent.

You’re dead wrong.

You’re logic seems to be that because they scored a lot against KC, and won the game, that they therefore, ipso facto, must have talent.. That logic is flawed.

“The pieces are clearly coming together, offensively.” Really? I don’t see the evidence for that . . on the field or in your post. Again, one game (KC) does not an offense make.

A large portion of America was hoping Seymour wouldd hit Roethlisberger again, b/c he’s giant douchebag.

by Broncos_FTW on Nov 24, 2010 10:21 AM MST reply actions  

Acquiring, retaining and motivating "talent" is whose responsibility?

Is McD fully responsible as the GM? Is he truly the GM or does he carry out the Ellis/Xander agenda?
Seeking to understand…
(sorry for the double post, am still figuring out this system)

by FanSinceTheDonHornEra on Nov 24, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

McD is in charge

and has final say on all personnel matters. He may be a great head coach, but he had as much experience selecting personnel as I do before he came here.

by Broncos_FTW on Nov 24, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Acquiring, retaining and motivating "talent" is whose responsibility?

Is McD fully responsible as the GM? Is he truly the GM or does he carry out the Ellis/Xander agenda?
Seeking to understand…

by FanSinceTheDonHornEra on Nov 24, 2010 12:06 PM MST reply actions  

Roethlisberger is a big boy. If he can dish out smack talk he can take a few shots to the chin.

by yomjoseki on Nov 25, 2010 11:18 AM MST reply actions  

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