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Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 11/7/10

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Broncos' old defense, youthful offense not a great combination - The Denver Post
Long before the Broncos took the field this season, there were danger signs.

Kids, dump your piggy banks for this one - The Denver Post
"Kiz, you think we can get enough Broncomaniacs together to buy out Josh McDaniels' contract so we can get ourselves a half-decent coach next season? I am willing to donate my Christmas money. By the way, do you have the phone numbers of Bill Cowher and Jon Gruden to pass along to franchise owner Pat Bowlen?"

Paige: Orton's stats don't tell truth - The Denver Post
Kyle Orton — we're informed, ad infinitum — is on pace to challenge Dan Marino's all-time, NFL single-season passing record of 5,084 yards.

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Klis: Draft lesson: Think big - The Denver Post
Among the 14 teams who first addressed the line of scrimmage with their first-round picks in the 2010 draft, 12 are encouraged at the halfway mark.

NFL.com news: Patriots activate Pro Bowl guard Mankins, release two
The New England Patriots announced Saturday that they have activated Logan Mankins for Sunday's game against the Cleveland Browns, and a source told the Boston Herald that the two-time Pro Bowl guard could start.

NFL.com news: Polian ponders Colts' bad luck after Gonzalez lost for season
Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian is just looking for a few good replacements.

NFL.com news: Merriman brings 'Lights Out' attitude to slumping Bills defense
Shawne Merriman is hoping for a fresh start in Buffalo. The Bills want to plug their porous defense. The two hope it's a perfect match.

NFL.com news: Packers activate safety Bigby, who could play vs. Cowboys
The Packers announced Saturday that they have activated safety Atari Bigby from the physically unable to perform list, making him available to play in Sunday night's game against the Dallas Cowboys.

NFL.com news: Del Rio still looking for right formula to rebuild Jags' defense
The Jaguars' defensive collapse happened quickly and with little warning.

NFL.com news: Chiefs, Colts among Week 9 road teams situated for wins
It takes a lot to win on the road in the NFL, but there are four teams that possess the ingredients necessary to pull off the difficult feat in Week 9. These four are in a unique position to get a difficult road win based on trends, past history and surrounding circumstances entering this weekend's action.

NFL.com news: Vikings owner Wilf has much to consider with Childress
Randy Moss has never been shy to speak his mind, therefore the events of this week have less to do with food and more to do with his lack of respect for Vikings coach Brad Childress.

New England Patriots safety Patrick Chung to sit out against Browns - ESPN Boston
New England Patriots safety Patrick Chung, who missed last week's win over the Vikings with a knee injury, has been downgraded to out for Sunday's game at the Browns.

Chiefs versus Raiders matters again - AFC West Blog - ESPN
Get over it, NFL: The AFC West is the center of the universe this week.

NFP Sunday Blitz | National Football Post
This is the time of year when a lot of teams are starting to show the effects of injuries. Athletes who have been playing hurt no longer can produce like they did early in the year. And the shortcomings of players who are filling in for injured starters are starting to be exposed.

NFL Sunday: 5 things to watch | National Football Post
Let’s take one more look at the Sunday action before kickoff. Five things that stand out in the Week 9 games…

Cory Redding taking demotion in stride | National Football Post
Replaced in the starting lineup by Brandon McKinney, Baltimore Ravens veteran defensive end Cory Redding said he doesn’t concern himself with whether he’s on the first-team defense.

The Chiefs-Raiders showdown, and more NFL Week 9 storylines - John P. Lopez - SI.com
Who says superstar quarterbacks are a dying breed in the NFL? Just call the Seattle quarterback Charlie White-hurts. Who's leading the coaches' dead pool? And toast could be the operative words in Houston and Philadelphia.

Chiefs-Raiders is NFL Game of the Week - Kerry J. Byrne - SI.com
1. It's time to welcome Kansas City and Oakland back to the big time -- at least for one week. Nobody saw Chiefs-Raiders as a meaningful game at the start of the season. Heck, nobody saw it as a meaningful game two weeks ago.


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Wheatley released

I don’t think Wheatley ever met up to expectations while in New England. He shut down Crabtree in college but his 2nd round selection was high, and now he’s a victim of numbers in a very deep New England secondary which has used a number of high picks on DBs since Wheatley’s selection in 2008.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Nov 7, 2010 8:06 AM MST reply actions  

Finally, a couple of good articles from the DP today.

Woody’s article on Orton and Klis’ article on the youth/old offense/defense issue.

I actually tweeted them, a dual first for me concerning DP articles.. lol

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The artist formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Nov 7, 2010 10:06 AM MST reply actions  

re: Klis and Paige columns

I don’t think either column is a truly fair assessment and Paige rarely steps out of the yellow journalism mode and doesn’t in this one.

Re: age. Klis makes a point we’ve raised here previously so he’s not telling us anything we don’t already know. There weren’t many cost-effective affordable UFAs available so it’s wasn’t a route we could have chosen. Moreover, Klis is offering advice that probably would have hurt us if we could have taken it. The high-priced FA strategy is often less effective than the lower priced FA strategy. We’ve filled more holes this way and haven’t had any busts. The crucial desideratum is the scope of needs. We needed to address multiple needs in the last two years rather than fill a single hole or two.

An added consideration that’s been given short shrift is the amount of change we’ve had. High roster turnover invariably leads to a lack of cohesion unless mitigated. We really didn’t have a choice, though. We had to replace the dismal 2008 defense. However, the scale of change put us in a vulnerable position and unable to withstand many problems, such as injuries.

Age hasn’t been our problem. Some of the most notable injuries have been to (usually more) experienced younger players — Dumervil, Ayers, Clady, Harris, Moreno, McBath. Injuries have been a big part of the problem for a team that’s still in the rebuilding mode and lacks the depth to weather all the injuries. Klis cites an obvious problem (call it the bi-modal age distribution) but he misleads somewhat in his analysis. It wasn’t because the strategy didn’t work but because we weren’t good enough to weather the storm of injuries.

I didn’t see much available UFA talent that would have solved our problems in the off-season and we don’t know that the few who were available wanted to sign with us, so we can bemoan the dearth of prime age talent on the roster but it gets old after a while and doesn’t really offer a solution to our problems.

Pardon me but I get pissed when I hear ‘insufficiency’ equated with ‘wrong.’ This rhetorical technique is used frequently in politics and it’s repulsive — IMO. In the political case (without citing particulars), one side can sabotage the solution to a problem and then claim that it’s doesn’t work, or even worse, that it’s part of the problem.

Re: Paige. Paige is merely employing the logical fallacy of equating team success with Orton’s success. Paige is bright enough to know the difference so his honesty/sincerity appears to be the problem.

Finally, Klis offers some true insight — although only accidentally — when he discusses K.C.

While Pioli was able to rebuild while enduring a 4-12 first season, McDaniels was asked to overhaul without losing grip of the Broncos’ perennial position as playoff contenders.

The Chiefs brought in a boatload of talent in the past few years, partly through the Jared Allen trade and partly through ‘merit,’ and they suffered because of it. The ‘instant gratification’ fans need to take a long look at the situations in K.C., Oakland and S.D. (at an earlier point) in order to understand how long it often takes before draft talent delivers on-the-field success.

What many fans are fearful of, presumably because of ego-driven needs, is that we’ll fall into true mediocrity. On the contrary, it wouldn’t hurt to have a top ten draft pick for once, for the obvious reason that a player of the caliber of Marcell Dareus is never going to fall out of the top ten picks. Many positions on our team have yet to be addressed in the short time span (2 draft cycles) that McX have had. It’s pretty hard to rebuild without the picks to do it with.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Nov 7, 2010 4:18 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Needed the Tracks

more than usual today. Thanks.

Man, Woody’s article was optimistic as all get out.

I really hope all of the players and staff on The Team are adult enough to not just give up and give in, like many of the spectators and fan base.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 7, 2010 11:32 AM MST reply actions  

can i say how annoyed i am at the MSM pickup of Hillis?

everybody’s ranting about how mcd made the mistake of the postseason trading him, and that hillis would save our decimated offensive line. how hard is this concept: you can’t run behind a crappy line?!?!

Philippians 4:6-7

by Tollyvolley127 on Nov 8, 2010 1:29 AM MST reply actions  

completely 100% agree with Orton's stats dont tell the truth

So, using McDaniels’ three criteria, and my additional measure of goodness:
The Broncos are 2-6, with four consecutive losses.
The Broncos are 22nd overall in the league in third- down conversions — 36.6 percent — and have made first downs on fourth downs 27.3 percent of the time (3-of-11), 26th in the NFL.
The Broncos are 20th in red-zone scoring (41.3 percent), or 1.5 touchdowns or field goals for every 3.6 trips to the red zone. (Opponents have scored 69.5 percent.)

In fourth quarters, the Broncos have managed four touchdowns and four field goals. They also have eight punts, two fumbles, three interceptions, four lame efforts on fourth down, one Kyle Orton kneel down (in a victory) and one game in which the clock ran out on the Broncos. In 26 fourth- quarter possessions when the Broncos tried to score, they had a success rate of 30.8 percent.

Read more: Paige: Orton’s stats don’t tell truth – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16545663#ixzz14i0MAfpa

GO BRONCOS Orange Crush 4ever

by Taylor K on Nov 8, 2010 9:28 AM MST reply actions  

Mcdaniels actual Quote and the following week as well
"He’s being productive, but I tend to think about the quarterback relative to wins and losses, third down and red zone. Yesterday we weren’t very good on third down, we weren’t very good in the red zone and we lost the game. Certainly that’s not a reflection solely on Kyle Orton — I thought he did a lot of great things yesterday in the game and I think he’s done a lot of really good things all season long. I think he would agree entirely with my assessment of our
team, and our quarterback has to play well in those situations for us to have a chance to win against good teams. Right now, like I said, I think he’s playing well, but I think we have to play better in those situations that really are going to determine the outcome of drives and ultimately the outcome of games."

and then the following week

On whether QB Kyle Orton has surprised him this season

"No, he hasn’t surprised me. I think we saw an evolution of a player this spring, (at the) end of training camp (and during the) preseason and really his play has remained consistent the entire year. He has a great grasp of what we’re doing. I have great faith in what he’s doing on the field. I feel like we can make adjustments during the course of the game that he can handle and allows him to be successful and also, Kyle’s success is a product of a lot of people doing
their jobs the right way and I think that any quarterback would say that. Our offensive line — like I said, we got hit a few too many times yesterday — but as the game wore on and the situation became more critical, we did a better job of keeping the pocket clean and giving him an opportunity to make some throws in the red zone late, two-minute offense, third down, whatever it may be. I thought that was a part of Kyle’s success. Certainly, the receivers are
playing well; the backs did a good job in the screen game yesterday. So, there are a lot of people that are doing their job well. Certainly, Kyle is playing at a high level for us and I think that we’re looking at it this way: Until we get things fixed in the running game, the burden has got to be placed somewhere and I think Kyle has readily accepted that challenge along with the rest of our offense and we’ve got to work hard to fix that other element of our team and our offense, but I think right now, that’s the best way for us to move the football and we’re going to have to continue to do it."

by Hoopforia on Nov 9, 2010 11:56 PM MST up reply actions  

QB is the most important player

No disrespect to Orton, but I agree with Woody’s general point of view, which is that a QB is the most important player, and that it is the QB’s job to engineer victories, particularly when a game is in reach.

Tebow is a gifted individual with the mental drive and physical abilities to do the engineering the Broncos need. The time is now.

by oorange blood on Nov 8, 2010 5:39 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

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