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Perrish Cox Arrested

The Denver Post is reporting that CB Perrish Cox of the Broncos was arrested on charges of sexual assault last night. 

The arrest stems from a incident that occurred October 28th.  Officials investigated and determined that charges against Cox should be filed.

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Ugh

Innocent until proven guilty, but I would prefer the our Broncos just steer clear of anything to could possibly construe guilt.

by Jordo5150 on Dec 10, 2010 9:38 AM MST reply actions  

I'm pretty sure everyone is Ugh'ing

Losing is 1 thing, embarrassing our city is another.

by Jordo5150 on Dec 10, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Seriously....

Didn’t anyone tell the rookies that just cuz rothy could almost get away with it, is no reason to follow suit!!!!

jk lets hope this proves to be a case of angry girl, and naive guy….

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Dec 10, 2010 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Ugh.

This year has been utterly grueling. Remember when other teams passed this guy up because of character issues? I know this wasn’t a foregone conclusion, but this is just getting really annoying now.

by chripstopher on Dec 10, 2010 9:39 AM MST reply actions  

Too bad that the one character-reach turned out to be a bad egg.

It’s ironic that McDaniels may have leaned too much on character.

For instance, he drafted Eddie Royal instead of DeSean Jackson. And then of course there’s Tebow, who is pretty much all character.

by Velveeta on Dec 10, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

McD did not draft Eddie Royal

Shanny did.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah that made me scratch my head

Quitter's People United Member #396
"It was Joe Maysesque" -BTID
"I cussed a lot more in 2008 than any other season I can remember." -McGeorge
"They are getting better in my opinion by getting rid of Jackson. Not football better but me not hate them as much better." -AJforAZ

by Drizzt396 on Dec 10, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

Staring at the Sun

by plainview88 on Dec 10, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

What you should have said was...

For instance, he drafted Eddie Royal Demariyous Thomas instead of DeSean Jackson Dez Bryant.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

enough already!

This team is embarrassing itself from top to bottom. This is criminal, if true, which is beyond annoying.

by JoePlummer on Dec 10, 2010 9:40 AM MST reply actions  

2010

The year that keeps giving!

by swg777 on Dec 10, 2010 9:41 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

HAHAHA

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Dec 10, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

not any more!!!

it’s still a funny joke though

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Dec 10, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Let me third the "Ugh"

Enough already. Is it 2011 yet?

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 9:42 AM MST reply actions  

Maybe we need to not have just a recommend button but an "oh crap" button too....

The hits just keep coming!

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Dec 10, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

HAHAHAHAHHAHAH

“The oh crap button”…. boydy, my friend, you just brightened my morning! Thanks to you, sir!

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

"oh crap" button

this needs to happen. i could use on on my desk…

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

oh snap. silent e disaster.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

hahahahahhaha

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

no use

Rec button exists to move good stuff to the top. Crap floats to the top all by itself.

by si_ice on Dec 10, 2010 10:07 AM MST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Dec 10, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

does this remind anyone of the kristen wiig SNL skits

the lady who does the movie reviews on weekend update? i give it three “ughs” and an “oh crap!”

by ssc on Dec 10, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

IS THIS A JOKE?!

omg… head explods

<3 KO Clutch.

by Matt In Canada on Dec 10, 2010 9:46 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

So ya’ll need to all hide your kids, hide your wife and hide your husband cause they raping everybody out here!

On the plus side, at least he didn’t shoot himself. But if it is indeed true and not just some wench trying to extort money, he’ll be in deep shit on account of him not being Ben Roethlisberger.

by Muse_Cubed on Dec 10, 2010 9:55 AM MST reply actions  

Ooohhhhh, tell me you've seen the remix!

The piano version at the end is EPIC. Run and tell THAT, HOMEBOY!

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Sexual assault doesn't necessarilly mean rape.

You can be charged with sexual assault for merely touching someone where they didn’t want to be touched. Or where they actually did want to be touched before they were touched, but then changed their mind after they were touched.

by CompUser on Dec 10, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Depends on the jurisdiction.

In general, sexual assault involves any type of penetration. There are other, usually lesser, charges for “merely” touching someone where they didn’t want to be touched.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

i thought it could include verbal too

but the wikipedia thing christianL posted below seems to say it has to be more than that.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Wikipedia does not determine what act constitutes what charge.

Each state gets to create its own laws via its legislature. Don’t look at Wikipedia, find Colorado criminal code.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

oh.

i didn’t realize there’d be this much homework. this day is getting worse.

well, okay then, cue the montage of me high up on the library ladder looking through old books and you, pencil in ear, proclaiming “got it! amesburg vs. blankensen, 1957!” while standing up and pointing to a large open book on the table next to a thermos and a flask…

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

WTF?

Did I become the bad guy for trying to provide correct information? Okay, you’re right, let’s make it up as we go along! Hey, if Wikipedia says it, then it MUST be true!!!!

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

....but....

what’s in the flask?

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

just joking around. but no, you’re not the bad guy. as a matter of fact, if you go back and read the montage you’ll see that you play a prominent protagonist role.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Hahahahahahah.....

It’s because of what’s in the flask, I tell ya. Haunted man, haunted past!

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Booo Wikipedia hate!

Wikipedia, while not as accurate as Britannica, its DAMN close. For a completely open system, thats simply amazing. However by looking down on Wikipedia you are missing out on one of the best tools that came from the internet.

by droom on Dec 10, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Not looking down on it.

Saying simply, keep in mind it is not the end-all, be-ll. Isn’t it open to editing by the general public. It provides a great ‘starting point,’ but is by no means a substitute for thorough research. Particularly in an area like legal analysis, where each state has its own laws, in addition to federal laws, international laws, common laws, etc.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

It is open, yes

however it is covered by an army of anal editors. Also, Wikipedia is thoroughly sourced, why not 100%, its enough to where schools are running into the problem of students sourcewhoring Wikipedia articles.

And you are completely right in that it would not have the data needed to perform the level of analyst of law you describe. But all it takes is one person that knows to post an article for you to have that information on your fingertips. I guess thats why I defend Wikipedia, its gets stronger the more we embrace it and vice versa.

by droom on Dec 10, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Makes sense, and thanks for the info.

But Wikipedia’s definition is simply not applicable to this situation, unless there is an entry for “Colorado Sexual Assault Statute Definitions.”

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

We might be able to make one

by the time this story picked apart lol

by droom on Dec 10, 2010 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

hahahhahahhha

….sad as that is…. The rate we’re going, they are going to have a book length entry on the fiasco that is our 2010 Denver Broncos.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Too bad Vick isn't still in the pen.

Cox could use a good QB to keep him fresh while he’s away.

by chripstopher on Dec 10, 2010 9:55 AM MST reply actions  

That was a little too dark

which probably makes me a bad person for laughing at that

by scooter17 on Dec 10, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

That would require Cutler to be behind bars

we all know he likes to throw to Cornerbacks

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 11:36 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

my thoughts exactly. I thought for sure the (premature) firing of McDaniels would make us bottom out. I can only hope it’s up from here.

by poorboywilly on Dec 10, 2010 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

WOW

When it rains it pours… What am I talking about its flash flooding in Denver

Embrace the other side, become the animal.

by mbudde33 on Dec 10, 2010 9:56 AM MST reply actions  

Ok, fess up:

Which Bronco fan brought the cursed tiki idol back from Hawaii. That’s the only possible explanation for this series of unfortunate events. Take it back, stat, please.

by Piglet on Dec 10, 2010 9:57 AM MST reply actions  

The "Invesco" Curse?

I agree that there must be a curse, but isn’t it more likely that we are all paying for stripping the best name in sports from the Broncos’ stadium in 2001? To me it will always be “Mile High” but I still cringe when I hear announcers call it that other name.

Once we restore the name, we can break the curse!!

by Elway's Ghost on Dec 10, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Timmy...

found a tarantula in his locker this morning too Piglet!!! lmao

To the theme of The Brady Bunch

“Here’s a story
of a lovely franchise
and three lovely convicts of their own………”

and the song goes on…I can’t finish as I’m feelin’ lil like going and tossing my cookies!!!!!!!

"A waterfall begins as one drop of water."
~Peekay
"When you face adversity in life look to nature for the answer...the answers are everywhere you look!"
~Doc to Peekay
The true measure of a man is not how he sits in times of comfort but rather how he stands in times of controversy!
~MLK Jr.

by Omniscient Orange on Dec 10, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Ugh...

If this is Ben Roethlisberger type stuff… i.e.: gold digging woman making things up with no evidence to back her claim— then I feel real bad for Perrish.

If it’s true (and the fact that he’s been arrested and charged says there’ more to it that Roethlisberger) then he’s human scum and he’d better be off the team as soon as possible.

by M1911 on Dec 10, 2010 9:57 AM MST reply actions  

That ^

"A waterfall begins as one drop of water."
~Peekay
"When you face adversity in life look to nature for the answer...the answers are everywhere you look!"
~Doc to Peekay
The true measure of a man is not how he sits in times of comfort but rather how he stands in times of controversy!
~MLK Jr.

by Omniscient Orange on Dec 10, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

No

BUT you never know! IMO he (Roth) got away with that but the diggers are evrywhere and I’ve personally seen/heard women talk about that sort of thought/action

"A waterfall begins as one drop of water."
~Peekay
"When you face adversity in life look to nature for the answer...the answers are everywhere you look!"
~Doc to Peekay
The true measure of a man is not how he sits in times of comfort but rather how he stands in times of controversy!
~MLK Jr.

by Omniscient Orange on Dec 10, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

That college gal was targeted

given free drinks, and too wasted to defend herself. I have little doubt that Ben did it.

I think the gold digger woman crying rape is far less common the the athlete who thinks he’s entitled to bend over any woman who makes the mistake of being alone with him.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Dec 10, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Sure seems to fit what is commonly known as the

“Power/control rapist” personality type.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Uhhh....

Not really sure your interpretation of what happened to Big Ben is necessarily accurate…

by CaliRaiderHater on Dec 10, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Seriously? Did you just say what I thought you said about Rothlisberger and no evidence?

Is that why the body guards (PT as their FT jobs were police officers) were fired from their Police jobs? c’mon man that was, shall I say, a VERY uninformed comment. Sorry

Time to give Timmy T a shot

by broncofaninIL on Dec 10, 2010 10:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe this is why Bowlen pulled the trigger on McD...

UGHHHH!!!

The glass is usually twice as big as it needs to be.

by BaldMatt on Dec 10, 2010 10:01 AM MST reply actions  

I meant as soon as he did...and not waiting till the end of the season

not his overall reason…if McD was still HC, this is a bigger deal to the corporate media and the bronco fan base that wanted McD fired…

The glass is usually twice as big as it needs to be.

by BaldMatt on Dec 10, 2010 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

All I have to say is whatever.

I am numb at this point for all the drama involving the Broncos

Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.

2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Dec 10, 2010 10:04 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I was numb before this too.

Now I’m UNcomfortably numb

I concur with the rest of Broncos Country… UGH!

Bleeding Orange and Blue for 43 years

by Davus.X on Dec 10, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Right there with you.

Thank you sir, may I have another?

Looks like I picked the wrong season to quit sniffing glue.

by TheMastermind on Dec 10, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Yup, that's says it.

Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.

2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Dec 10, 2010 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

How 'bout an

“Effing A Throw My Hands Up in the Air Walk Away Button”

*the ‘walk away’ part is just a joke as I would never walk away from them under any circumstance…however this is beyond enough/ridiclous…exhausted by it allcome on man!!!!!!!

"A waterfall begins as one drop of water."
~Peekay
"When you face adversity in life look to nature for the answer...the answers are everywhere you look!"
~Doc to Peekay
The true measure of a man is not how he sits in times of comfort but rather how he stands in times of controversy!
~MLK Jr.

by Omniscient Orange on Dec 10, 2010 10:09 AM MST reply actions  

Just got a text from CBS4

that said this sexual assault charge is from an incident that happened in Lone Tree on Oct 28th.

Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.

2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Dec 10, 2010 10:10 AM MST reply actions  

this needs to play out!!

Every morning I wake up and come into. MHR there’s always some drama!!! Oh well at least we can’t blame McDaniels!!! Fire STudesville immediately he has lost control of this team!!!!!

WE WILL MOVE ON!!

by milehighhitter505 on Dec 10, 2010 10:10 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

well it did apparently happen under Josh's watch.....just sayin'

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine

by Clompy on Dec 10, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Scarnecchia brought the camera

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine

by Clompy on Dec 10, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

6 minutes?

Not funny, but funny all the same. Ahh the year that never will end from the Denver Broncos, the team that keeps on giving

Broncomaniacs.... UNITE!

by gahoagie on Dec 10, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

exactly!---Chance for Studes' to step up early

Bench his A$$ and give Champ his new contract like NOW!!

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine

by Clompy on Dec 10, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

^THIS

WE WILL MOVE ON!!

by milehighhitter505 on Dec 10, 2010 10:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

We don't want our HC to be GM anymore.

I agree though. Suspend Cox and have Xanders sign Champ to a new contract. I believe that Bowlen and Ellis stopped the contract extension so I am not holding my breath.

by Beer30Bronco on Dec 10, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Im with you 100% maybe ElBowl will change their minds after this crap

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine

by Clompy on Dec 10, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Ugh.

Hope it’s not too serious. As I recall he has a family back in Waco, TX, so I feel bad for him.

If it IS serious, he needs to be disciplined, however…

Buffs: 5-7.
Ducks: 12-0!
Hawks: 7-5 >:(

by hvis on Dec 10, 2010 10:18 AM MST reply actions  

this is very serious!!!

An investigation has been conducted and the law feels like they have a case which is really bad!!! It looks like they have what they need to prosecute him

WE WILL MOVE ON!!

by milehighhitter505 on Dec 10, 2010 10:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Ahh

Well this season is just getting better and better.

by Bostjan Cernensek on Dec 10, 2010 10:20 AM MST reply actions  

A little early but

you have to believe Champs Bailey’s price just went up a little bit.

by swg777 on Dec 10, 2010 10:28 AM MST reply actions  

More than a little

The universe exists because it is simpler than nothing. The universe cannot be simpler than it is. The universe is the state closest to nothing.
Douglas Preston

by bradley on Dec 10, 2010 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Now we need TWO CB's in the draft.

Take Prince with #6 then select Harris or Williams with the # 38
What a mess!

by DLMyers on Dec 10, 2010 10:29 AM MST reply actions  

Richard Marshall says hi.

The Panthers have no intention of resigning him. He’s a solid, young, fast corner. Get him, put him next to Goody, and draft Jimmy Smith and I’ll be happy. Lessen’s our draft day needs. And really, even if we try to keep him at this point, I think Champ walks.

Buffs: 5-7.
Ducks: 12-0!
Hawks: 7-5 >:(

by hvis on Dec 10, 2010 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

what we do NOT need to do is go heavy with CB at the top of the draft...

what we DO need to do is go heavy with D-Line, safety, and ILB. having a dominant front 7 will make our CB’s that much better. We have Vaughn and Thompson still….and the Bailey question is still open. We also have Nate Jones (throwing up in my mouth as I speak)…so I think drafting 2 MORE CB’s doesn’t make sense. If we need to draft a 2nd CB…it should be at the bottom of the draft.

"They are who we thought they were!"
gcman on twitter

by gcman on Dec 10, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Pretty much agree

QB pressure makes bad CBs good and No QB pressure makes good CBs bad.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed, mostly

We’ll also still have goodman, who has been SOLID when healthy.

Buffs: 5-7.
Ducks: 12-0!
Hawks: 7-5 >:(

by hvis on Dec 10, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

I’ve been in the camp that really thinks it is important to resign Champ, and this adds another reason why.

by wiebrod on Dec 10, 2010 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't know

Nobody really knows for sure, it depends on a lot of things, but I really think signing Champ would go a long for this franchise right now.

by wiebrod on Dec 10, 2010 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

If he gets his money before the season is over...

…I’d say yes given CBA uncertainty. If we come at him during free agency, that’s another story.

by CaliRaiderHater on Dec 10, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

That's how I'm feeling

If we signed him soon and had an offer he found acceptable I think he may stay, but I’m obviously not Champ.

by wiebrod on Dec 10, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Can't we franchise him?

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes. Franchise and trade.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

That...

is what I would want if I was a Bronco fan.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Dec 10, 2010 5:40 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly...I think his comments post firing

pretty much booked his ticket out of here

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh for the love of God...

Is it ever going to end?

There's nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all.

by TheMastermind on Dec 10, 2010 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

He won't be off the team.

He’ll be suspended for 4 games (maybe six) and have to get help.

I think we should just cut him right now. He isn’t a big enough star to attract the “gold diggers.” He’s just a guy with no morals.

But we won’t cut him.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 10:36 AM MST reply actions  

Because he rapes women.

You’re laughable.

Do you have any sense of morality. Give me a break. It’s people like you that enable the “I can do what I want because I can catch a ball good” mentality.

They are not above the law. If I raped a woman I would go to jail and be fired. Why should he get special treatment? Because he’s a “decent rookie starter.”

Laughable. I cannot believe you said that.

The only thing laughable is you.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

whoa what?

did he rape someone? are you sure?

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

That's what sexual assault means.

And if you read the Denver Post article it seems pretty clear.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

There was more to that post. But read the Denver Post article.

It seems pretty clear that they have enough evidence to support rape. Especially since they’re withholding the name of the victim.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Presumption of innocence buddy...

…let the legal process play out a bit, but if this looks credible cut his ass.

by CaliRaiderHater on Dec 10, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

This is the NFL not a court of law

The accusation is enough to end the career of a non star rookie – which is probably why the DA took a month and a half to file – they did not want to damage the carrer of someone without something very substainual to back it up

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Exactly what I meant.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

i hope you're wrong

and i believe sexual assault can cover a multitude of accusations, but i agree the post article does make it sound bad. if he’s found guilty of anything close to rape though, he obviously won’t and shouldn’t be in the nfl.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I hope I'm wrong too

But I’m not a judge.

Sexual Assault does employ quite a few meanings, but I doubt he was arrested for “forced kissing.”

From Wikipedia:

Sexual assault may include rape, forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration, forced sexual intercourse, inappropriate touching, forced kissing, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the victim in a sexual manner.6

I could be wrong and it’s “inappropriate touching.” But I really doubt it.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Inappropriate touching

Nearly impossible to prove in court. High name defendant with top counsel – no way DA files a case like this unless withnessed by a dozen people. Time frame is right for processing DNA – that would imply a denial of ‘action’ by Cox and the proof the denial was wrong …. damn I really hope I am reading far too much into things

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

You're not

But apparently explaining what I’ve already inferred is difficult. You’re doing a nice job of it for me though.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Interesting, +100

It could be that but we can’t read too much into this yet. There’s still a wide range of possibilities and any speculation without more facts can wrong.

I’d say just off the top of my head that sexual assault can cover a wide range of things. Most DA offices treat these cases very seriously and the law does, too, but the severity of the alleged crime is still ambiguous. I don’t favor the complainant nor the defendant but I also don’t assume that the charges filed necessarily reflect the strength of the evidence rather than an attempt by the DA’s office to persuade the defendant to plea bargain. Initial charges are sometime inflated, and it’s a sad commentary on the criminal justice system. Still, I draw no conclusions about this case.

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by Colinski on Dec 10, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Wikipedia doesn't tell you what a state's sexual assault law encompasses.

It’s a legal term with different definitions in different states.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Dude really?

Wikipedia basically put forth a blanket statement of ALL things that are considered sexual assault.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Negative.

In most states, “inappropriate touching” is not sexual assault. It’s classified as something else, either under a blanket “sexual harrassment” or “gross lewdness” charge. Each state determines what act fits under what charge. In my home state of NV, for instance, there is no “Sexual Assault” unless there is any form of penetration of the victim’s body.

Over-reliance on Wikipedia can be a bad thing.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

From NOT wikipedia

Colorado Law regarding sexual assault is found in the Colorado Revised Statutes,
C.R.S. 18-3-402.

C.R.S. 18-3-402 prohibits sexual assault.
The following comes from the Boulder County Bar Association Media Guide:
The statute provides that a person commits sexual assault if the person knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or penetration on a victim if
a) the person causes the victim to submit by means of sufficient consequence reasonably calculated to cause submission against the victim’s will or
b) the person knows that the victim is incapable of appraising what the perpetrator is doing or
c) the person knows that the victim erroneously believes the person is the victim’s spouse or
d) at the time of the commission of the act the victim is less than 15 and the person is at least 4 years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim or
e) at the time of the commission of the act the victim is at least 15 but less than 17 or
f) the person has authority over the victim and uses his position of authority to coerce the victim or
g) the person while purporting to offer some medical service engages in some sort of treatment or examination for some other reason than a bona fide medical purpose.
The statute goes on to provide various levels of punishment. Section e is a class one misdemeanor. Sexual assault is a class three felony if any one or more of the following circumstances exist, a) the person causes submission of the victim by the actual application of physical force or b) the person causes submission of the victim by threat of imminent death or serious bodily injury or c) the person causes submission by threatening retaliation that the victim reasonably believes the person can execute or d) the person has substantially impaired the victim’s power to understand or control the person’s conduct by using drugs or other means or e) the victim is physically helpless and the person knows the victim is physically helpless and has not consented or f) the sexual assault of the person is physically aided or abetted by one or more other persons or g) bodily injury, or by a deadly weapon or a simulate deadly weapon and uses that to cause the submission of the victim.
Sexual intrusion is defined by any intrusion, however slight, by any object or any part of person’s body except the mouth, tongue or penis into the genital or anal opening of another person’s body if that sexual intrusion can reasonably be construed as being for the purpose of simple arousal, gratification, or abuse. Sexual penetration means sexual intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio, analingus or anal intercourse. Consent means cooperation in the acts or attitudes pursuant to the exercise of free will and with knowledge of the nature of the act. One is a position of trust includes parents, anyone acting in the place of parents and charged with the parent’s rights and duties, anyone charged with the health, education and welfare of and supervision of a child.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:34 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Me too.

Especially on THIS football site.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe some links with NSFW?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Do you find that NSFW?

If so, my apologies to everyone. I will take it down…

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't...but I'm just saying that

it might have been better just to link it, considering it is pretty graphic

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2010 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Okay.

I should have thought of that before I posted it. Sorry again. I don’t know if I am able to remove the comment or if I need an admin to do it?

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Admins can hide the comments if they see fit.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

K, thanks.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Ummmmm

….that is, if someone can tell me how to remove my own comment. Is that even something I can do?

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

No you can't

Try flagging it and ask John to delete it. But I think it’s a fair comment.

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by bradley on Dec 10, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

If requested, yes.

BUT most “gold diggers” like the idea of the fame they can gain from the impending media circus.

It’s not clear cut but a little analysis on my part I didn’t explain. Think Jenn Sterger.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Jenn Sterger didn't file charges did she? If so, what were the charges?

If anything what she accused Brett of was harassment. I have made a point to not really follow that whole situation so I really am not sure.

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by gcman on Dec 10, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

She didn't file charges but she could have..

The fact is she made sure her name as in the limelight. It’s what attention seekers and gold diggers do.

If this girl is trying to extort money by ruining a young mans career she probably falls into this catergory.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Sexual assault DOES NOT mean rape.

Sexual assault can be many things far less than actually committing rape. These quotes are from the definition of sexual assault at womenshealth.gov.

Sexual assault and abuse is any type of sexual activity that you do not agree to, including: Inappropriate touching
Sexual assault can be verbal, visual, or anything that forces a person to join in unwanted sexual contact or attention. Examples of this are voyeurism (when someone watches private sexual acts), exhibitionism (when someone exposes him/herself in public), incest (sexual contact between family members), and sexual harassment.

Here’s a link: http://www.womenshealth.gov/faq/sexual-assault.cfm

by CompUser on Dec 10, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

This is NOT Colorado law.

The definitions private organizations use have no bearing on what a state’s Criminal Code definition is.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

http://www.justdetention.org/pdf/legalresources/Colorado%2018-3-402.pdf

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

sorry

http://www.justdetention.org/pdf/legalresources/Colorado%2018-3-402.pdf

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 12:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Decent rookie starter? Clearly I"ve been watching a different Perrish Cox than you

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe I am

If he’s guilty then he should, but he probably won’t because he’s an athlete.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah I keep forgetting

That Rothlisberger wasn’t ever arrested. Probably out of disbelief.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions  

We'll cut him if he gets convicted and goes to prison.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

We will cut him anyway

We must. The controversy has to end so we can move forward. Cut him now, bring in a FA for the season, consider the opening on draft day.

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

a little premature

let things play out before we start freaking out.

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't think so

This is a sex crime. Any sign of indifference throws the whole bronco organization into a media malstrom – we have controversy which we cannot escape. No reason at all to invite controversy which we can deal away. Cox is not promising enough to saddle the organization with this additional pressure.

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IF HE IS GUILTY

This arrest is going to get little if no National Notarity or publicity. Perrish Cox was a 5th round pick. He is not a pro bowler, he is not a candidate for rookie of the year, and he is not even close to the best player on our team or at his very own position.
The Josh McDaniels firing will overshadow this almost completely outside the city of Denver.
From a Public Relations standpoint you either one stay quiet and do no thing. Or two you create a diversion. The best diversion would be to Play Tim Tebow at quarterback.

You can’t always have your Denver Broncos blinders on. Yes its a big deal for Broncos fans, but other than that it will get little publicity. You don’t just go cutting players and people you have invested millions of dollars because they get charged with something.

Yes its a premature freak out.

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure this will go unnoticed by the national media

Certainly not on the heels of McDaniels firing….

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Yup.

Can see the headlines on Yahoo and PFT now: “What is Wrong in Denver, Broncos Organization Falling Apart.”

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions  

The Broncos are 3-9

People do not care about teams that are 3-9. Mc Daniels got fired and got half a day of media attention. Then it was on to Winter Meetings, Michael Vick leading the pro bowl, Heisman voting, then back on to Peyton Manning, and rounding back to Cliff Lee.

People on the east coast do not care about a 3-9 Denver Broncos team when they have The Red Sox spending cash, Giants, Pats, Jets all in a playoff hunt, Knicks winning games, and so many other stories to care about
Perish Cox getting arrested

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Which media? ESPN? NFL Network covers the Broncos quite extensively

Denver has a quite a share of players with legal issues. While Cox is unknown, it would raise a question of “what the heck is this with Bronco players being arrested at least twice a year…”

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Very true

I just basically was trying to raise the point that

WE SHOULDN"T FREAK OUT!
AND CUT HIM…..
AND SEND HIM TO A POW CAMP IN SAIPAN or something

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I think we should cut him because he sucks...but that's a different story.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

he is completely overrated by many of our fans

I will agree with that.

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

If he couldn't figure out by the 7th game in

that turning around to face the incoming pass,while making a play on the ball avoids interference calls….

yeah…he can ride the pine until he does…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

lots of bad instincts too.

Still think there is some potential though

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

of course there are going to be news articles

but for people to actualy give a flying rats ass about it is a completely different story

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

In the present environment it is not a freak out

The team has been recovering from the firing of Josh McDaniels. Several players have come forward to say things were not a rosey in McD land. We have all the personel decissions as controversy, the blow out by the Raiders, the McKenny suicide ….. Just as the players were starting to feel good about putting all that behind them this happens. Took what ever wind there was right out of the sails. Cut him now he is part of the McDaniels legacy – keep him and the uncertainty of his future weighs the team down.

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I suppose you would say cut DJ Williams too huh?

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude

You’re smarter than that. Rape and DUI are two ENTIRELY different things.

I’m not justifying DUI by any means, but rape is much more serious.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude

Sexual Assault not rape.

That is completely besides the point. Flunkie was saying cut perrish cox because of all the things surrounding the Broncos. So by Flunkies argument, due to the reasons, Flunkie would cut DJ Williams too.

And i don’t know which one is more serious. Because I am not sure if we even know if one or the other or both are guilty or not.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude - read the definition of Sexual Assualt

Given in this tread by many – Rape is exactly what he is charged with

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Well he was arrested for Sexual Assault

and I am sure there are varying degrees of it that he could have been charged with

-Dante Bichette/Troy Tulowitzki
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-Dikembe Mutumbo/Nene
-Peter Forsberg/Statsny

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

The only thing that’s varying is exactly how bad it was. It was rape.

The law states he had to penetrate a person with either an object or his genitalia without consent. What do you think?

The only real factor is the consent part. She could have been passed out from drinking too much or she could have been drugged or whatever. The problem is she never said yes and he still did it.

It’s still rape and its still unforgivable.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

or

she had just done a line of blow and ordered Cox to rape her and he took it literally and she forgot.

yes rape is part of the definition but he was arrested for sexual assault. Nothing is unforgivable.

And he hasn’t been convicted yet. I am sure some sort of plea deal will be reached or the girl friend will realize that if she actually tries to charge him that her free money train will come to an end.

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

It's this sort of attitude...

That makes cutting Cox make sense. It’ll show that, at least. the Broncos have more class than you do. (Still sort of hoping you’re just joking.)

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Dec 10, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

you have to be kidding me

if you thought I was serious

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by waterboy31321 on Dec 13, 2010 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Three different degrees

only two could possibly apply to Cox, third degree felony and second degree. Given that he was not arrested along with others tends to suggest the third degree type

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

DJ did pose a distraction

He is not facing a potential stretch in the State Penn. The relative seriousness requires a much harsher stand. If convicted DJ gets fines and suspension

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Nah,

Get the hook! Let’s just start over. We can at least show the world we have some dignity left.

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Dec 10, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Sign...

Mr. Bowlen sign Bailey and start restoring the team. Show the fans you’re serious about building a quality team!

Oh BTW; Please bring someone in immediately to run the football operations – front office… Joe Ellis doesn’t know what he’s doing put him back as the COO where he belongs.

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by oc60 on Dec 10, 2010 10:42 AM MST reply actions  

wait a second

This was three days before the San Francisco game in London.

Wasn’t this when he was left back in Denver, all woozy from his concussion?

by tunesmith on Dec 10, 2010 10:49 AM MST reply actions  

Seems like.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Do I hear a ....

I plead not guilty reason of mental instability due to a work injury????

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

The key is to get all of this out of our system this year.

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Meaning all the headaches

by always broncs on Dec 10, 2010 11:10 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Please, please, please get the deal with Elway done ASAP

We need a sense of order and some direction moving forward.

The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.

by maximus1212 on Dec 10, 2010 11:32 AM MST reply actions  

At least there is news on the Broncos

every single freaking day. Keeps us on our toes.

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Dec 10, 2010 11:39 AM MST reply actions  

Okay...

Whoever has the orange sapphire slippers please click them together and say “This one’s for John” three times and make this nightmare season end.

Looks like I picked the wrong season to quit sniffing glue.

by TheMastermind on Dec 10, 2010 11:41 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Speaking of Mastermind

I wonder if Shanny would rent out his polygraph machine?

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Unbelievable.

The irony that this happened around the same time as the taping of the 49ers practice is just too bizarre. Now I really hope Champ stays.

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by AvalancheRescueDog on Dec 10, 2010 11:46 AM MST reply actions  

What a terrible series of events

Really no reason for all of this crap.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 10, 2010 12:01 PM MST reply actions  

Whoa, people!

There’s nothing in what John Bena wrote that says Cox has been charged with rape. He was charged with sexual assault. Maybe he grabbed some womans breasts and she didn’t want him doing that. While even that is unacceptable behavior, it isn’t rape, and maybe you all should hold back on convicting him until you know what he did.

by CompUser on Dec 10, 2010 12:11 PM MST reply actions  

You're using faulty info.

Grabbing a woman’s breast cannot be sexual assault under Colorado law.

http://www.justdetention.org/pdf/legalresources/Colorado%2018-3-402.pdf

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Too bad

You can’t just put in a continuous loop that posts links to the statute. You’re going to be typing all night, at this rate.

by MakeCents on Dec 10, 2010 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I know.

I’m starting to feel like I’m being an asshat with it, so I’m giving up.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey I appreciated you proving my point.

That he was arrested for rape.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed, If the charge was rape, would an alleged rapist, even a Bronco, get this kind of leeway?

From the Denver Post story:
“Douglas County Judge Susanna Meissner-Cutler granted a request that Cox be allowed to accompany the Broncos to out-of-state games while free on bond, and granted an additional request for him to be allowed to attend a family event in January out of state.”

Read more: Broncos rookie Perrish Cox arrested for sexual assault – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16825846#ixzz17joufUFD
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by broncorat on Dec 10, 2010 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

The Judge is looking at flight risk – will he return? The bail was not reduced which would be expected since Cox’s income is high enough to not present a hardship. Cox was required to wave extridition in case he did not return.

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Read the law.

It’s posted, graphically, above.

He got leway because it hasn’t gone to trial yet and is still, technically, innocent. But sexual assault is pretty specific in Denver law and doesn’t include all the “lesser” definitions that would make it something other than rape.

He is being accused of rape. They have enough evidence to arrest him (Rothlisberger was never arrested). Flunkie pointed out that it timely coincides with potential DNA evidence.

Guilty or not we are talking about rape. Lets not split hairs.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

No we are not talking about rape, for certain. The sexual assault statute in colorado is very broad and it encompasses a variety of different types of acts. For example, it includes abuse by a person in a position of trust, and what would commonly be referred to as statutory rape. If the entire statutory section was up you could read the sentencing guidelines, which depend on the extent that the specific act was aggravated. For example, you could be facing a misdemeanor 1, which in many instances wouldn’t even include a prison sentence, considering the types of plea bargains generally offered. Alternatively, there is a section that would probably allow sexual assault to be charged as a class 1 felony, which is the most serious felony charge with the longest sentence that a person could be charged with. Plain and simple you don’t have enough evidence to determine whether or not he has been charged with what is commonly understood as rape, and even then there are varying degrees of that specific charge. If you don’t beleive me I’ll give you my bar number.

by Rmann on Dec 10, 2010 10:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Why

did her name have to be Cutler?

by BigskyBronco on Dec 10, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I saw that too

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Thought that the whole time I was reading it!

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

umm alot of guys are overreacting. we have no idea what happened.

For all we know it could have happened something like this:

Cox: hi I play in the nfl
Girl: RAPE!!!!

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by Pmoreno95 on Dec 10, 2010 12:54 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

So after a lengthy investigation...

The DA, upon finding no evidence, was all like “Just arrest him anyway. Oh and charge him with sexual assault which by Colorado law means rape.”

Don’t think so Pmoreno. I’d like to believe this to be the case, but I really don’t think so.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

This is another good point.

It wasn’t just that the police investigated and decided they have enough to arrest. If the DP is accurate, the police investigated, forwarded the findings to the DA, and the DA said, “yup, there’s enough to go arrest him.”

Like you said above, he’s still innocent until proven guilty, but it looks like the police and the DA feel there is enough to establish probable cause.

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Plus it will end up being a high profile case in Denver.

So they would have taken extra precautions to ensure they won’t end up with egg on their face.

Lets be clear:

Perrish Cox was not arrested for verbal abuse.
Perrish Cox was not arrested for inappropriate touching.
Perrish Cox was arrested for rape.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

DA's are elected in Colorado

No DA in his/her right mind would take on a Starting Bronco’s player unless they were absolutely sure they had a great chance at convincing a jury of his guilt. This means first and foremost they have a credible and willing victim, then there needs to be coroboration, and hopefully some physical evidence. The Police knew immediately the political implications and passed it to the DA’s office – the intake deputy recognized the implications and passed it up to his/her boss. This is not a charge taken lightly.

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:18 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

I’m glad someone else has critical thinking skills and doesn’t live in Lala land.

Let’s go even further:

This will probably end Cox’s tenure in Denver.
He will probably do significant jail time.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I was with you until this one.....

…jail time is far from even “probably”. It is one thing to have enough to bring a charge…it is entirely another to get a conviction.

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by bonaire on Dec 10, 2010 1:29 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I will agree with you. I got a little passionate.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Is this something you have personal issues with?

Your (over-) reaction seems to be a little out of line with what we know. A charge is NOT a conviction and the nature of the charge merely tells us on what legal basis the DA is proceeding.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Dec 10, 2010 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Do I have personal issues with rape?

Yes. I do have issues with rape.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I have an association with ProjectGHB

I’ve communicated with Trinka Porrata on a number of occasions about date rape legal issues and the pharmacological properties of Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate as they relate to the issue.

http://www.projectghb.org/

Trinka has been quite willing in the past to communicate with anyone regarding this issue.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Dec 10, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually a judge decided there was probable cause. A judge has to for an arrest warrant to be issued.

by Rmann on Dec 10, 2010 10:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Another good point

After the DA approves it, a judge signs it off….

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by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2010 11:22 PM MST up reply actions  

im not saying that is what happened.

I’m saying people are overreacting and used a farfetched example. To prove my point that we know nothing.

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by Pmoreno95 on Dec 10, 2010 1:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

What?

We know he was arrested and what he was arrested for. That’s pretty much all we need to know because that means:

Evidence of rape
Probably Cause of rape
Lack of an alibi

This isn’t an accusation. This is an arrest. It’s different.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Different forum

In the NFL you are not innocent until proven guilty. You are expected to maintain the highest standards of personal conduct – the accusation alone is enough

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

i think you said it wrong lol

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by Pmoreno95 on Dec 10, 2010 1:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I have practice!

Been wrong so many times it don’t even bother me any more. But it sure don’t stop me from putting forward my opinion.

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

haha

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by Pmoreno95 on Dec 10, 2010 1:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

It's the arrest that is the critical element for the NFL...

…not just a mere accusation. Plus it’s not just Cox on the hook here, the whole org is held responsible. This isn’t he-said, she-said, this is a crime and by the time it goes to trial, the team will want him to be a “former Bronco.”

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Dec 10, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude...

I’m an attorney and let me tell you, your presumption that charges filed = someone is guilty is pretty dicey. I hope no one pulls you up for jury service any time soon.

Ever heard of the Duke Lacrosse case?

This obviously doesn’t look good but we no zero facts at this point besides that charges were brought. It’s a little soon for judgment

by CaliRaiderHater on Dec 10, 2010 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude ....

That one came to mind immediately. Which is exactly why I am saying the DA in Douglas County has proceeded with an abundance of caution in this case. I also remember the Kobe case – where a less than credible witness tied up the resources of the entire department for 9 mos to no avail.

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

how do you know that?

Mike Nifong said the same thing in Durham. I’m guessing you’ve got that from their PR statements?

by CaliRaiderHater on Dec 10, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe 35 years in Colorado Politics helps

I’ve seen the inside of the decission making process – the whole idea is it is better to do nothing than to do something wrong

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I was under the impression that charges being filed was different than arrest

Definitely not an attorney, but Ben had charges filed and wasn’t arrested. This is an arrest.

According to a statement by the Lone Tree Police Department, the department was notified on Oct. 28 that a sexual assault had occurred in the City of Lone Tree.

After a lengthy and detailed investigation, a case was presented to the district attorney’s office. After review by that office, charges were filed and an arrest warrant was issued against Cox, 23. He was arrested without incident, and transported to the Douglas County Jail.

So am I incorrect in thinking that this goes beyond simply charges being filed?

Read more: Broncos rookie Perrish Cox arrested for sexual assault – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16825846#ixzz17kAnxM5F
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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

No practical difference in Colorado

An arrest is not punative in Colorado – it is to stop an immediate threat or to insure your appearence in Court. I am rather surprised that he was not allowed to simply turn himself in. I appears that he knew this was being investigated and had an attorney.

by Flunkie on Dec 10, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay not from Denver.

And my assumption was there is difference between being brought in on charges and being arrested and being held on bail.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

much too much

speculation on such a serious matter. Cox deserves, as any one of us, to be innocent until proven guilty. Talking about jail time without any facts does a terrible injustice to him. Way too many charges brought against public figures by people seeking money or notoriety. If he is guilty let’s wait till he’s convicted before we put him in the slammer. We are talking about a man’s career here. If he’s guilty lets allow the process to determine that rather than the internet….

by rubincarterrocks on Dec 10, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

so let me understand correctly..
cox is arrested for sexual assault.

I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.

by grind_core on Dec 10, 2010 1:28 PM MST reply actions  

That made me sad.

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Any idea when a trial will be held?

Staring at the Sun

by plainview88 on Dec 10, 2010 1:31 PM MST reply actions  

probably the offseason

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by Pmoreno95 on Dec 10, 2010 1:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Guess I’ll wait to find out what happens there… Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t think a lot of guys get arrested for this type of thing and come out innocent. But still, he isn’t guilty just yet. (Not defending him or his possible actions at all)

Staring at the Sun

by plainview88 on Dec 10, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Seriously, after the year we've all i can do is shake my head and laugh

Incredibly dissappointed in Cox. For a rookie, he had potential to be a good #2 guy down the road.

Dang it Cox, we said intercept Roethlisberger, not imitate him.

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Dec 10, 2010 1:43 PM MST reply actions  

Innocent until proved guilty ?

While it is true that in our criminal justice system there is a presumption of innocence until guilt is proved beyond a shadow of doubt, there are more than a few people responsible for Perrish Cox’s actions, if sexual assault is proved.

Let’s face the facts: as football (or any other sport of your choice) fans we put athletes who excel on an undeserved pedestal from a young age. More often than not, athletes are given passes through high school, receive college scholarships, awarded college degrees which are never never honestly earned or given on the basis of excellence in so-called college-level courses that are offered for the “intellectual” twelve-year old.

Then we want to sit back and question why the athlete took a wrong direction in life. Contrary to red-necked, misogynistic belief, most sexual assault cases/charges do not arise because some woman is trying to extort money form someone. They occur because a crime of violence, a rape or something similar, has, indeed, occurred.

Most of us who went to college in my day considered it a privilege. I did not come from a wealthy background and took the challenge of high school and college quite seriously because I did not want to get off and on a delivery truck for ten hours a day as my father did. I worked pushing a broom in Northglenn Mall for fifty-three hours a week over the course of four years. That does not make me a hero, but it does make me someone who knew I wasn’t on a pedestal and that I would have to earn what I got and not have it handed to me.

The problem with never working for what you have is that you expect it and decide to take it when it is not freely given.

My first job was with the Denver Broncos, while I was in junior high school (do they still have junior high schools or are they middle schools now?). I will remember the first time I entered into the Bronco’s locker room. Sex was the topic, racism filled the air, cigarette smoke was as thick as soup, and beer was everywhere. The players then made little and, just as today, most never actually never graduated from college and many were functionally illiterate.

It’s obviou, fans have learned nothing since the time Dexter Manley testified before our own government as to the fact that he had attended college and, yet, could not read or write.

Every time a professional athlete strikes a woman, sexually assaults someone, or commits a far worse crime, ask yourself how high of a pedestal you place that athlete and how much you are willing to tolerate for the next winning season.

Let it suffice to say, that the average working class American is not arrested for sexual assault, brandishing a firearm, endangering a child or anything of that nature.

Professional athletes commit the acts they do because they believe they can get away with it. Everything is theirs for the taking.

And, no, I am not saying Perrish Cox is guilty.

by Pinkster on Dec 10, 2010 1:55 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

There are a lot of ugly truths in this

but also a little bit of sweeping generalizations as well

Staring at the Sun

by plainview88 on Dec 10, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Welcome to the Interwebs.

Over 350 billion Sweeping Generalizations Served…

…and counting.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

by TheMastermind on Dec 10, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Definition of Sexual Assault

Legal Definition of Sexual Assault, Felony Class 3 (the one in Cox’s case):

“Any actor who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration on a victim commits sexual assault if: 1(a) The actor causes submission of the victim by means of sufficient consequence reasonably calculated to cause submission against the victim’s will AND 4(a) actor causes submission of the victim through the actual application of physical force.”

Sexual intrusion is defined by any intrusion, however slight, by any object or any part of person’s body except the mouth, tongue or penis into the genital or anal opening of another person’s body if that sexual intrusion can reasonably be construed as being for the purpose of simple arousal, gratification, or abuse. Sexual penetration means sexual intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio, analingus or anal intercourse.

This is not about grabbing a woman’s breasts!

by Pinkster on Dec 10, 2010 2:01 PM MST reply actions  

Yuck.

I’m no prude, but you might have just posted a link. LOL

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

by TheMastermind on Dec 10, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Making a point.

People keep saying we’re rushing to judgement.

This is what he’s accused of and they have some sort of evidence to back based on a “lengthy investigation.”

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by ChristianL on Dec 10, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

i know. i never noticed that til today.

get up… get my cup of coffee… check the latest on “Denver Broncos In Trouble With The Law”…

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 10, 2010 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

haha. yeah...

But at least before DJ’s little run-in with the law a few weeks ago, there was only 9 articles in the section…one about Richard Quinn from last September, and the other eight all involved a Mr. Marshall. hahaha

by sjk7 on Dec 10, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Hopefully

this is the end of our troubles. Perrish really hasn’t produced that much on the field either sadly.

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Dec 10, 2010 3:23 PM MST reply actions  

From the perspective of someone who has worn handcuffs

And never been convicted of anything, even though Id bet money that he’s guilty it still doesnt mean shet to me until a jury is convinced. I am more upset that it would appear to be another wasted draft pick at this point.

by Bronco$ on Dec 10, 2010 4:41 PM MST reply actions  

Haha

anything else we can add to the pile?

Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?

by T.Dot_Bronco on Dec 10, 2010 5:25 PM MST reply actions  

The Bronco's remind me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J-2EIvItVY

fast forward to the 1 minute mark

Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?

by T.Dot_Bronco on Dec 10, 2010 5:28 PM MST reply actions  

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