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Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 12/13/10

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Fans demand Tebow during Arizona's 43-13 rout of Broncos - The Denver Post
It got so bad for the Broncos that the people screaming back home could be heard all the way from here.

Kiszla: Worst Broncos team in decades - The Denver Post
Hey, take those hands away from your frightened eyes. What we're watching is the worst Broncos team in 40 years.

Paige: All we are saying is give Tebow a chance - The Denver Post
As the rest of the beaten, battered and busted Broncos, with bowed heads and slumped bodies, walked slowly through the bowels of the stadium, one player sprinted down the hall and turned the corner into the locker room.

Star-divide

Josh McDaniels' playbook remains with Broncos, but turnovers cost them a loss to Arizona - The Denver Post
The voice in quarterback Kyle Orton's ear may have been different Sunday, but in a dismal season on all fronts, the problems remained the same.

Broncos' decisions for coach, GM unlikely to come soon - The Denver Post
If the Broncos could send Christmas cards to their fans who are eager to learn of their new general manager and head coach, the message would say something like: Relax. Enjoy the holidays.

Rules, necessity forced team to let Cox on field - The Denver Post
Had it been solely their decision, the Broncos likely would have prevented cornerback Perrish Cox from playing Sunday against Arizona.

Broncos duped by fake field goal - The Denver Post
Cassius Vaughn and David Bruton looked like bulls, waiting to charge.

Cardinals 43, Broncos 13: Bests, worsts and the ex factor - The Denver Post
With two other bad teams, Buffalo and Detroit, winning Sunday, the Broncos should have a prime spot in the 2011 draft, all the better to start the rebuilding process.

Pass or fail: Cardinals 43, Broncos 13 - The Denver Post
Against what was statistically one of the worst defenses in the league coming in, the Broncos lost three fumbles and Kyle Orton threw three interceptions.

Chargers one game back after beating AFC West-leading Chiefs - The Denver Post
The San Diego Chargers now have a little better outlook on reaching the playoffs.

NFL.com news: Playoff Picture 2010
Three games left and only one team (New England) has clinched a playoff spot, and six divisions have at least one team within a game of the leader. It's setting up to be a pretty wild three-week stretch to determine 11 unfilled postseason berths.

NFL Game Center: Miami Dolphins at New York Jets - 2010 Week 14
Mark Sanchez slowly picked himself off the turf while the Miami Dolphins celebrated around him.

NFL.com news: Dolphins upset over tripping incident; Jets employee apologizes
Dolphins cornerback Nolan Carroll was tripped by the New York Jets' strength and conditioning coach on the sideline while covering a punt in the third quarter of Miami's 10-6 victory Sunday.

NFL.com news: Start of the end? Iron-man QB Favre saying he likely can't play
Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre has told teammates and associates that he doesn't believe he can play Monday night, and his NFL-record starts streak will end at 297 games, sources with knowledge of the situation said.

NFL Game Center: New England Patriots at Chicago Bears - 2010 Week 14
Bad weather didn't bother Tom Brady. The big, bad Bears didn't, either.

NFL Game Center: Philadelphia Eagles at Dallas Cowboys - 2010 Week 14
Michael Vick faked a handoff and threw deep to DeSean Jackson, a perfect strike for 60 yards.

NFL Game Center: Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Washington Redskins - 2010 Week 14
If ever an extra point was going to go awry, this was the time.

NFL.com news: McCoy added to long list of Bucs starters lost for season
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are losing starters at the rate of two per game.

NFL Game Center: Kansas City Chiefs at San Diego Chargers - 2010 Week 14
Quarterback Matt Cassel didn't travel to San Diego after having an emergency appendectomy on Wednesday.

NFL Game Center: Oakland Raiders at Jacksonville Jaguars - 2010 Week 14
As the Jacksonville Jaguars trudged into the locker room down 10 points at halftime, Maurice Jones-Drew called an impromptu meeting.

New England Patriots taking on familiar look of a champion - ESPN Boston
Most of the players are different and many of the coaches are too, but there is a familiar feeling around the 2010 New England Patriots.

Miami Dolphins call New York Jets 'cheaters' after trip - ESPN New York
During the New York Jets' 10-6 loss to the Miami Dolphins on Sunday afternoon, the Jets' strength and conditioning coach intentionally tripped Miami cornerback Nolan Carroll as he ran out of bounds on punt coverage.

Confusion reigns in muddled NFC West - NFC West Blog - ESPN
Week after week, like fools, we come seeking clarity.

The indomitable Patriots are title favorites -- and it's not even close - Don Banks - SI.com
After this one, you could almost hear the collective uh-oh starting to echo around the rest of the NFL. These Patriots are serious. They're on a mission. And we all know what that means, because it hasn't been all that long since we've seen it before.

Packers' playoff hopes take a hit, the thrill-a-minute Jags, more Snaps - Don Banks - SI.com
I guess we all got a vivid lesson on how valuable Aaron Rodgers is to the Packers. True, Rodgers didn't make much happen when he was in the game Sunday in Detroit. But sidelined with his second concussion of the season from the second quarter on, the Packers offense was mostly anemic in the hands of backup quarterback Matt Flynn, who was at the wheel for the rest of Green Bay's damaging 7-3 loss.

Bad weather plagues NFL's Week 14 in Minneapolis, Chicago, Jacksonville - NFL - SI.com
Weather played havoc with the NFL's Week 14 schedule, with the Giants' game at Minnesota postponed from Sunday to Monday night and moved to Detroit. New England's game at Chicago's Soldier Field was threatened by whiteout conditions and the field constantly needed shoveling.

Absolutely 'no place' for Jets' sideline antic - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
There are few dirtier, cheaper shots you will ever see in an NFL game. And this particular disgrace was caught on television, much to the dismay of the quickly unraveling New York Jets.

Belichick's cold demeanor keeps Patriots hot - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Outside the wind whistled off the icy lake, blowing snow through Solider Field until the grass, lines and end zones were all a blur of white. It was a terrible day for football. And in a warm room beneath the stands, Patriots coach Bill Belichick stood at a lectern and mumbled praise so exuberant for him it was startling to hear.

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What a disgraceful mess this team has become....wont even play Tebow....I am starting to intensely dislike all that are connected to our beloved franchise!

FIRE JOE ELLIS!

ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Dec 13, 2010 5:42 AM MST reply actions  

boydy

It’s tough to watch anymore. This loss hands us another 4 game losing streak(#4). Something I don’t recall happening before. Your handle says it all. Fire Joe Ellis. McDaniels wsn’t necessarily the problem. Sure he was to stubborn, arrogant and to, well, New England, but he was a good coach. Things didn’t go well for him at Denver and even though he may go on to be very good somewhere else I’m alright with the change. Two more must be made. Fire Joe Ellis and ditch Kyle Orton. At this point I don’t even care if we get anything for Orton. Some call it the “it” factor, I call it luck, but Orton just doesn’t have it.

by Digger24 on Dec 13, 2010 7:53 AM MST up reply actions  

A good coach?

What do you base that on? Perhaps a good OC or QB coach, although I would look fairly good in either of those roles if I had Brady. Seems like the Pats were already winning with Brady before McD got there. Not saying he’s bad but results have not proven he’s a good HC yet, just the opposite.

by rubincarterrocks on Dec 13, 2010 8:45 AM MST up reply actions  

+1

The results of the last two years were on display yesterday.

Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis

by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Dec 13, 2010 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

What if you had Cassel?

Or Orton?

He made both of them look VERY good. According to many quotes from players he was excellent at preparing players. I think making meager players look like all stars and preparation are two very strong indications that he’ll be a good HC at some point.

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by ChristianL on Dec 13, 2010 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

All that means is

he’s a great QB coach. Maybe we should hired him to do that.

Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis

by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Dec 13, 2010 9:02 AM MST up reply actions  

It's an opinion.

Time will tell. I just have a feeling we will see him get an opportunity elsewhere where he succeeds. Obviously you don’t. No big deal.

by Digger24 on Dec 13, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes...

I actually agree with that. On some post around here I said I thought McD was learning what mistakes NOT to make on his next HC job. I still feel that way. It’s too bad he really didn’t work out here.

Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis

by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Dec 13, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the Tracks, John.

It’s hard enough to read any Broncos news these days, let alone all of it.

by Velveeta on Dec 13, 2010 5:44 AM MST reply actions  

I dont.....its like reading a Eulogy or epitaph for a once great team.

FIRE JOE ELLIS!

ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Dec 13, 2010 6:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I see it now...

… a resurgent broncos defense lead by a healthy dumervil and a bevy of high draft picks with the most prolific receiving corp in the league leads the team to an amazing turnaround and taking the AFC West, winning against the ravens in the divisional game only to get the crap beat out of them by the Patriots….i can see it

by march20 on Dec 13, 2010 6:35 AM MST reply actions  

Your vision is better than mine.

I have a hard time seeing past the Ghost of Lou Saban at this point.

I can see Russia from my house.

by Alaskan on Dec 13, 2010 6:57 AM MST up reply actions  

It is actually the ghost of Trevor Pryce

we haven’t had a D line since Shanny cast him off.

by Bradoncadonc on Dec 13, 2010 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep....I see 4 years at least of 5-11 or worse records.

FIRE JOE ELLIS!

ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Dec 13, 2010 6:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm a glass half-full guy too,

it could happen, odds are it won’t but if it does that will make all of this crap feel a bit better.

by rubincarterrocks on Dec 13, 2010 8:47 AM MST up reply actions  

What

Traditionally we own the Pats and get punked by the Ravens. Did you word this correctly?

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Dec 13, 2010 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks, John

Missed the tracks the last few days even if it is all bad news.

Take my advice, I never use it.

by azdenfan on Dec 13, 2010 6:37 AM MST reply actions  

ditto, thanks John.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA

by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 13, 2010 7:07 AM MST up reply actions  

other NFL news...

Are of more interest to me now than Broncos news… :(

Some interesting / funny ones:
1) Video of metrodome caving in! That was incredible… why the eff is its roof made of that cloth-like material in the first place?
2) The Jet’s coach tripping the Miami gunner… hilarious… if you’re not that gunner or a Dolphin player/fan.
3) I really dislike DeSean Jackson… anyone catch yet another stupid endzone antic of his last night? Though… I can’t say I wouldn’t mind having his production over Royal’s at this point in his career… :(
4) How about Troy Polamalu’s crazy INT and super man into the endzone in the Pitt/Cincy game? Amazing… absolutely amazing…

by tunga77 on Dec 13, 2010 7:29 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks John

I wish I had something to say……………..

by diviesti on Dec 13, 2010 7:33 AM MST reply actions  

I don’t really care if he doesn’t get snaps in practice… you are going to tell me that Tebow couldn’t complete better than 50% with three int’s?

How about that Orton is now below 60% for the season? Or that he has led us to a 3-10 record? He has 5 games of under an 80 qb rating. He has 6 games at or under 60% completion. He also tripped over himself trying to go to the guy who intercepted him.

The game was close yesterday for a long time and he couldn’t get the offense going.

You HAVE to make some type of change.

by Todd Jewell on Dec 13, 2010 7:33 AM MST reply actions  

Why not Tebow?

I think pretty much everyone wants to see Tebow at this point, whether they think he’s better than Orton or not. So why wouldn’t they play him?

-The team listened to the mob with the McDaniels’ firing and resolved not to do so again, even if the mob is making sense..

-Tebow sucks AND they plan to trade him. They don’t want potential suitors to see how he reacts in real game situations. Think Sarah Palin quitting as governor of Alaska to avoid a track record in her presidential campaign.

-They’re hoping Orton will recover from his funk and boost his trade value.

-They’re afraid that Tebow will win, costing the Broncos valuable draft position.

-Tarded

-They’re desperate for a win and legitimately think that Orton gives the team a better chance (see above).

by Velveeta on Dec 13, 2010 7:34 AM MST reply actions  

Tebow will NOT debut until the next Broncos home game.

How else is Bowlen going to generate interest in the game?? They won’t play Tebow in Oakland.

by Bustafluff on Dec 13, 2010 7:56 AM MST reply actions  

Bingo!

Uh, I think. Hard to say these days. Anyway, I think Tebow will play against the Texans. The Broncos will announce that he will play in order to get a few more fans in the stadium.

Keep Moving Forward.

by ColoradoOwl on Dec 13, 2010 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

That's a great point...

Though I just had a terrible thought… What if Orton gets his mojo back in Oakland and has a great game?

Could a victory against the Raiders be the kiss of death for the sellout streak?

by Velveeta on Dec 13, 2010 8:25 AM MST up reply actions  

sooo....

quinn starts this week and tebow next?…. :)

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Dec 13, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

that's my prediction as well

although it would be pretty sweet to see Tebow dominate the Raiders

by black_knight101 on Dec 13, 2010 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

John...thank you

for everything

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Dec 13, 2010 8:00 AM MST reply actions  

I for one can't wait to see what Orton does this week.

The more he plays the closer to the 2nd overall pick we get.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 13, 2010 8:02 AM MST reply actions  

All we have to do is

Keep starting ko and pray that cincy and carolina win out and we get the No. 1 pick next year
(but then we will probably trade it for delhomme and a 7th)

One thing I know for sure - I'm usually wrong.
No rain no rainbows.

by Oz bronco on Dec 13, 2010 2:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Orton is just terrible

I wouldn’t shed any tears if he never took another snap as a QB for Denver again.

I’d love to see Tebow next week, but at this point I’d even settle for Quinn!

100% Behind McDaniels, Xanders, and the Denver Broncos

Drinking Orange Koolaide for over 25 years :)

Go Broncos!!!!!

by powderaddict on Dec 13, 2010 8:55 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

thanks John.

Tebow:
at halftime, i talked with my dad, who fortunately for him was at the niners/seachickens game, and he asked if it was tebow time. at that point orton had like a 20 passer rating and had thrown like 100 incomplete passes and 14 interceptions (it seemed) so i told him it seemed unfathomable that tebow would not come in. and orton played on.
orton possibly injured? orton played on.
as i digested it, 2 possiblities stick with me:
1. Studes doesnt want to be perceived as doing what Josh McD did, immediately changing the status quo upon arrival, by benching orton (and thereby altering the gameplan, probably significantly) without even a full week on the job.
2. upper brass wants tebow’s first game to be at home, in front of denver fans, not in glendale arizona, (or in oakland state penitentiary next week…) and told studes as much.
orton was absolutely miserable, both in his actual play, and his demeanor. as much as i hated the pouting cutler, the defeated moping orton is maybe worse. no professional athlete should look like that. especially a team captain and starting QB.

Silver linings:
was decker not great on kickoffs? displayed incredible vision, confidence, and a ton of speed. i just hope he doesnt get injured : /
Moreno continues to spit in the eyes of the naysayers who said he was a first round bust, running more and more like a guy who can run big. he is hitting the lanes with urgency, and makes multiple guys miss on most plays. best player by far on offense.
not much is being said about the defense, which is too bad, but they played a really great game, given the hadn they were dealt. grated, it was against a rookie qb, but when did arizona start inside their own 20? umm, never? wink has his unit playing admirably in the midst of a real s***storm, and i believe he deserves to stay on for it.

not a lot of good news out there right now for us bronco fans, lets just hope we escape the season without our stadium collapsing or something.

Go Broncos.

6-10 until we aint?

I'm betting Marshall is sitting in Miami thinking "That could have been me." Instead, Tyler Thigpen is throwing him passes. - Nick Cast

by Jay Fin Anderson on Dec 13, 2010 9:00 AM MST reply actions  

Some More Silver Linings

The OL should be kept intact for some time. All of those guys are starters.

Moreno is what we thought he was and if he stays healthy will do well.

Decker looks great. Lloyd is pretty awesome. Our WR corp should be stellar for a long time.

NFL Sunday Ticket: $300
#88 Thomas Jersey: $120
Big Screen TV: $1200
Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.

by ChristianL on Dec 13, 2010 9:04 AM MST up reply actions  

For anyone looking forward to seeing Tebow start..

Here’s a peek at what we would be getting based on current rookie starters in the NFL:

Sam Bradford – QB rating: 79.1
Jimmy Clausen – QB rating: 55.0

While I see Orton’s gameplay being affected by constantly looking over his shoulder and it’s probably time for a change, don’t expect TT to looking any better than the two guys above. The last few games could actually be detrimental to Tebow’s development. If he’s not ready and plays poorly it could signal a red flag to the organization and they may pursue an end to his time here. He represents one of the many decisions by the past regime which failed to bear fruit.

@charliedrysdale

by Charlie77 on Dec 13, 2010 9:28 AM MST reply actions  

The Worst Possible Scenario for me as fan

Would be for Tebow to never take a snap as a Bronco. Woody Paige said that Tebow had a meeting with Ellis to discuss his future. Why is it even in question? He was a first round draft pick and the best college football player of all time. Does that mean he will be a superstar, no. But it sure as hell earns him a shot to try in my book.

What a slap in the face to Bronco fans if Tebow never plays a snap. Thanks for buying the jerseys and finally getting excited about the franchise again, but we are going another direction.

by Jordo5150 on Dec 13, 2010 9:31 AM MST reply actions  

remember that tebow and josh really hit it off.

Tebow wanted to play for mcdaniels. Tim could be to mcd what torain was to shanahan….albeit on a much larger scale.

-Harvey J. Neptune

Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy

by HarvJNep2n on Dec 13, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

The fan base is becoming so unbearable. First the fans run McD out of town (mistake), now let’s kick Orton out of town. Wish I had a computer next to me so I could tell everyone how wrong they are…

Any movement in history which attempts to perpetuate itself, becomes reactionary.

- Marshal Broz Tito

by BosnianBronco on Dec 13, 2010 9:42 AM MST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Yes. McD assembled such an awesome team and even better coaching staff. The results are so clearly obvious as I watched the team yesterday. Thank you Josh for making the Broncos this way. You and Orton are the best things that ever happened to my Broncos. God bless you son.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

LOL

I love me some sarcasm

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 13, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

This isn't the worst Broncos team ever!

Remember we had a #1 overall pick in 1983 and that turned out ok. Oh, wait, we traded for that pick/player.

@charliedrysdale

by Charlie77 on Dec 13, 2010 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

We had the 3rd overall pick in 1983, we’re on track right now for……

the 3rd overall pick next year!

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Dec 13, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

If Dove Valley continues to be run by buffoons like Joe Ellis and Pat Bowlen, we could be looking at a lot of Top 5 picks and Top 5 picks wasted.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

They should bring in Matt Millen, gotta be a WR we could draft at #3, right?

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Dec 13, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

AJ Green is too good – comparable to Calvin Johnson as a prospect. So that would not be the worst thing ever. Totally unnecessary, but an amazing player – Denver needs more amazing players in the worst way. I’m so sick of drafting solid team “whatever the heck that means” guys that have low ceilings. Or dudes that never play like McBath and D Thomas.

I’m not asking for too much when I expect our scouting department to occasionally find a few guys like Suh or Clay Matthews. It’s a lot easier with Top 5 picks and early picks in round 2 and 3.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I think my dad lives in MN so I’m not your son. If you guys are this surprised that the Broncos played like a 33rd ranked team, then i don’t know what happed to common sense. ill put it like this. mcd has total control. bowlen fires him. black hole hits offense. they cant perform because mcd who called the shots isnt there. orton throws 3 int. broncos lose. therefore to me firing mcd was a mistake. hate this phone.

Any movement in history which attempts to perpetuate itself, becomes reactionary.

- Marshal Broz Tito

by BosnianBronco on Dec 13, 2010 12:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

First of all, when he said son, he was referring to McDaniels, not you.
  
Second, surely you aren’t saying that having McDaniels on the sideline would have given the Broncos a 30 point swing in their favor, are you?
  
Keep in mind, these are HIS players, HIS coaches, and HIS system. Yesterdays game was hardly any sort of vindication of McDaniels. If anything, it damned him further.

by BroncoMarc on Dec 13, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Huh? So what result would not have damned him further? If the Broncos won, you’d say that by dumping McD the team did better so he was the problem. Instead they looked worse then they had in any game except the raiders.

I think the game showed that McD played a huge role in the game plans. It didn’t look like we had any sort of a game plan for our offense. Nor did it appear we made any adjustments.

McD’s coaching staff is bad. Is that because he doesn’t know football or because he doesn’t have the coaching connections to get better coaches or coaches that know the systems he wants to run?

Doesn’t matter now. I expected that no matter what the outcome vs. the Cards, the fire McD mob would justify the firing with it.

by McJay on Dec 13, 2010 10:49 PM MST up reply actions  

1. The fact that his coaching staff was horrible says a lot about his wisdom as a HC. He had some nice coaches last year, and a lot of them are gone now – Nolan, Dennison, etc.
2. Those were players that he put together out there, and what we had on the field was a severe lack of talent. That’s McD’s fault alone.

by scooter17 on Dec 14, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

And the devout Josh McDaniels followers would would say that if they won, it was his coaches, his players, and his system that were responsible for the win. Now that they lost, they are holding that up as proof of how important he was. Those that have fallen under the McDaniels spell would argue either way, depending on the outcome.
 
The fact is that the Bronco’s are the only thing worse than being a young bad team. They are a very OLD bad team. THAT is why they lost. Josh McDaniels was the architect that constructed this extremely bad team. I feel for Studesville. It wouldn’t be fun having this pile of crap put in your lap. Vince Lombardi would have trouble squeezing wins from this bunch. I know that fans of McDaniels don’t want to hear that, but it’s the truth.

by BroncoMarc on Dec 14, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

They played like the 33rd ranked team under McDaniels. Yesterday was just more of the same from Josh’s 2010 team – except Josh was spared from having to add another L to his coaching resume.

In case you missed it, our offense went into a black hole last week when we scored 6 total points on Kansas City. We nearly doubled that yesterday. Whipee.

This team didn’t perform under McD and it sure didn’t perform under the lackeys McD hired to be his assistants.

Yesterday’s loss was a great example of why HIRING McD was the mistake.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

God Bless You

I’ve never heard you say that before, must be sarcasm

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Dec 13, 2010 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually it was Joe Ellis and Pat Bowlen that ran McD out of town and obviously the fan base doesn’t have any imput on whether Kyle Orton plays or not, otherwise he wouldn’t have played past the 2nd qtr yesterday.

by sc31089 on Dec 13, 2010 9:50 AM MST reply actions  

Wow.

Well it has been nice knowing everyone. Time to go bury myself alive. Goodbye, cruel world.

Bring out your dead!

by TheMastermind on Dec 13, 2010 9:51 AM MST reply actions  

There is always next year Mastermind.

I plan on watching my Bronco Super Bowl XXXII DVD later this week.

Elway did retire after winning Super Bowl MVP.

There is always next year and good memories.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

My VHS tapes are getting a work out this year!

I need to convert them to DVD before I break them… ugh.

Elway – Champion Forever, btw, is my favorite video… ;)

by tunga77 on Dec 13, 2010 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Elway….. Throw that ball. ding ding tap dong tap ding dong… Elway….. Throw that Ball.

Weirdest song ever. And awesome.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Early in the season, I became fearful that McD has assembled one of the very worst coaching staff’s in the NFL. Yesterday, my fears were confirmed. Studsville let these guys all do their own thing and we saw the results. What a debacle.

It made me cringe to hear the word continuity used so frequently the last month. Please, no more continuity. Please blow this staff to smithereens. No more Priefer, no more McCoy. I would be fine if we fired every one of our 2010 coaches (maybe keep the WR guy and that is it). We can do so much better just about all of these half wits.

I’m pretty sure Robert Ayers would be the 7th or 8th best player on most average NFL defenses. His inability to rush the passer and/or take down the QB is depressing. Both the Cardinals long runs yesterday were right at him. Ayers is regressing again.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 9:52 AM MST reply actions  

I am amused...

by all the angst, thrashing and bashing that goes on among the “fans” these days. People do not appreciate the cyclical nataure of the game. For a number of years – almost two decades, in fact – the Broncos were not competitive at all. Occassionally, they would get a win over the Faiders and the Chefs, and beat on San Diego with regularity. But The ability to sign early number one picks was sadly lacking, Then Rozelle made it a monopoly so that the player had to sign with the team drafting him, or he/she/it would have to sit out a year or go play Baseball The point is, the Broncos were horrendous.

San Diego and the other West teams were really bad when the Broncos got good. Now the cycle has turned. Not having access to the best players over the past thirty years (not having access to the high draft picks) has finally made the dent in the Broncos’ thirty year run. They will come around again. But it will take a couple of years of high draft picks or unusually shrewed and fortuitous trading and FA signings needed to turn it all around again. But we will see the Broncos return, as we are seeing San Diego fading.

It is of no worth to simply plead for Tebow. If the coaches at this time do not feel he is ready, then he is not ready, and no amount of gnashing and thrashing will change that, Paige be damned.

Orton is playing hurt. And the coaches believe he is still a better bet than Tebow. The “fans” need to get real.

But the tide will change. Be patient, Grasshoppers…….

by Gulbrand on Dec 13, 2010 10:00 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

It’s very clear what these coaches believe. What if we don’t believe in this current collection of coaches at Dove Valley.

Orton is playing hurt? In games that mean nothing? Denver lets guys like McBath and Thomas rest with minor injuries. Why not Orton. I don’t buy it at all. Orton’s head is not right. Maybe with his current condition, we should promote him to coach because he’d fit right in with the rest of these unlovable loser coaches we got.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Such angst....

is unbecoming of you, I suggest that the current coaches may know something of what they are doing, and not all of them are “losers” as you call them. I am sure you can appreciate the idea – since you know so much about the game – that not a single one of those coaches fumbled the ball or threw an int yesterday, or in any game this year, for that matter. Your opinions are just that. Neither do I believe name-calling and grousing makes a it of difference.

I will reiterate: it is damm game, and you don’t need to commit Hari Kari over a game.
The “fans” got what they wished for in regards to McD. Live with the consequences like grown-ups you all should be……

by Gulbrand on Dec 13, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

McD did this to the Broncos (well - Ellis and Bowlen really did it with their stupidity)

I think you are being presumptions. Maybe these coaches don’t know what they are doing? It is easy to assume so, but based on nepotism, hiring a video coordinator that’s your good ole buddy (and other buddies in Dove Valley), promoting people past their level of competency, etc… it is quite possible that we don’t have intelligent people running the Broncos. Or that our people are just less capable than the people running every other team in the NFL.

Either way, yesterday’s game was a massive indictment on McD. The coaching staff he assembled is a joke. Guys of your ilk were saying we needed continuity moving into 2011?

What? We need to keep sub-par coaches for the sake of continuity on a 3-10 team that is likely the worst team in the NFL? We are living with the consequences of McD’s many mistakes. I’m of the option we should cut ties with this entire regime of his and sail in a completely new direction.

Instead, we get Studsville and Orton leading us to a 30 point loss to another of the worst 5 teams in the NFL.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Orton

is more mentally fragile than I supposed, it hurts me to say this but dagnab it, this is true.

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Dec 13, 2010 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the Tracks John.

I for one, will continue to root for all Broncos!!! It isn’t that tough of a concept.

Funny how a couple bad games from Orton, and all kinds of under-the-bus-throwing occurs. Granted, he definitely made a couple/few idiotic decisions in this particular game, but I for one, am not one to forget the beautiful efforts he has given Us in the past. Quit acting like Elway never had idiotic moments, or that when he did, they were excusable because of this or that. OYE!!! Every QB has and will continue to have said moments.

And I’m not sorry if that’s hard to comprehend. Orton has made some awesome freakin’ plays for Us, and in the games where he has, Our defense lost the game for Us. If you want to forget those beautimous efforts, more power to ya. Sure, it wasn’t entirely the defense’s fault in ANY of those games. But neither was it entirely Orton’s fault in any of them either. Anyway, I’m going to get back to the seemingly foreign concept of rooting for Our team! Go Broncos!!!! All of ’em!!! GO BRONCOS!!!!

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 13, 2010 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

Finding out if our 1st round rookie QB can play NFL ball is a much smarter strategy in these meaningless games of jockeying for draft position than letting Orton struggle through a couple of nightmare performances.

These next three games are an opportunity for Tebow and he clearly views them as such. Orton, on the other hand, is clearly approaching these next three games as a burden brought on by a season gone astray. Orton looks totally frustrated and defeated. Is that the guy you want as your QB for the next three games? If so, I don’t see that making you a good fan or better than those of us that want Tebow to be named the starting QB for the last three games.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Not......

neccessarily. Nice of you to express an opinion, though….

by Gulbrand on Dec 13, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

I never say anyone is a better fan than anyone else

Because that is a completely asinine perspective to have in any case.

All I know is I’m happy that I have a team to root for, and whoever takes the field, I’m much happier to root for, than any other player at that given time. That’s just how it works for me. Doesn’t mean it has to be that way for others and I hate that it seems I insinuate otherwise.

by the way, If someone has to ‘struggle through’ the last few performances, I’d rather it be a vet than a rookie. Though I admit, there will be and have been many a circumstances, that Tebow would have definitely made more of a positive impact on than Orton behind center. Fact is, I don’t make those decisions, and choose to enjoy as much as I can, of the show the guys that do get paid to, put on in front of Us.

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 13, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you choose to enjoy the game yesterday? Did you enjoy Orton’s performance? as much as you could?

Orton is struggling. Tebow is setting. It’s not a choice – it’s what has come to pass. Our only choice is to continue to watch this train wreck and that is exactly what you and I are doing.

I don’t enjoy these embarrassments – by choice.

The angry fans and Woody Paige didn't get McDaniels fired, a lack of improvement, 3-9, several losing streaks, Spygate II, empty seats, too many home losses, several bad blowouts, botched personnel decisions and the endless drama did the trick.

by McGeorge on Dec 13, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, it's kind of like this....

I enjoy the good plays, when I can. Since I am not a Broncos coach, or on the staff, I try to ignore and god forbid, even forget, the bad – by choice. The saying ‘remember your past’ doesn’t apply to fans in the regard that it applies to coaches and players on the team…. In this regard, as a fan, forgetting the bad is only doing yourself a favor, is the way I see it.

There is nothing about getting beat that I enjoy, I simply point to the small ‘moral victories’ if you will… Because sometimes, it’s all We have. Why take the only thing(s) We have, at this point, for granted?

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 13, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

So, you were not entertained?

Why did you watch the game? Don’t you have SOMETHiNG else you could be doing?

If you are so unhappy, don’t watch the game…..

Remember, opinions are like…….. Well, you know……

by Gulbrand on Dec 13, 2010 4:07 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Phil Simms

was benched and even cut, notwithstanding a Super Bowl title he won. Jay Cutler was too much of a pansy to realize that no matter how good you are, no one is untradable or uncuttable, except for Peyton Manning, I guess. Colts fans already seem to think he’s leaving Indy. Gosh, Stampede Blue can be rife with such negative Nancies and they have no idea. I’ll bet they make the postseason again

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Dec 13, 2010 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

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