Hope Springs Eternal: Return of Draftivus
This has been a historically trying year for us fans of the Denver Broncos, capping off the most tumultuous time for the franchise that I can recall. I must admit to being personally beaten down by it - which accounts for my prolonged silence this season - but now that we're onto the next chapter of our shared history, I hope you'll allow me to leave all that in the past as we move on together. What better way to do just that than to set our eyes on the upcoming NFL Draft; remember, even the darkest storm clouds have their silver linings!
It has been a rare instance in which this franchise has had the opportunity to secure as much impact talent as they are currently in position to acquire and it could not have come at a better time. Despite the uncertain nature of our future administration, we can look to the cream of the crop for reinforcements that fit myriad schemes.
I realize that one of my fellow draftniks on staff here at Mile High Report, Sayre Bedinger, has already kicked off the Draftivus festivities - going so far as to produce multiple in-depth mock drafts before the end of either the NFL or NCAA seasons - and we are all greatly appreciative of his efforts. Though I won't match his thoroughness or preciseness just yet, I will be adding my voice to the ongoing conversation as we approach the most important draft for the Broncos in decades.
While the professional and college football seasons wind down, I'll be publishing posts discussing three draft prospects a piece: a consensus top pick, a personal favorite, and a sleeper. As the draft order becomes solidified and the bowl season draws to a close, I'll be adding more definition to this series. Finally, as word comes in on the specific direction of the franchise and the draft class fills out, I'll shift gears into mock drafts and full draft talk. This is my favorite time of the year, my friends, and I hope you'll come along for the ride with us here at MHR!
Top Prospect: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Why not begin this series by adding my two cents to the ongoing debate about perhaps the most controversial prospect in this draft, at least as far as the Denver Broncos are concerned? First of all, you'd have to go all the way back to Ben Roethlisberger in the 2004 NFL Draft to find a quarterback that I liked as much as I like Andrew Luck this year. That said, I firmly believe that Denver drafted a capable franchise QB just last year and I have to think that our new management will be compelled to agree. To be perfectly honest, I wish Luck hadn't attended Stanford University, a fact that I feel is unduly swaying the opinions of far too many nostalgic Broncos fans. In the end, I think his best value to us would be his availability at our time on the clock, making our pick an extremely attractive commodity in the trade market.
While I have a hard time seeing him escaping the Carolina Panthers with the first choice in the draft, we could find ourselves in the aforementioned fortuitous position should they be wholly uninterested in him and unable to find a trade more to their liking than the selection of an alternate prospect. With the Cincinnati Bengals - a franchise in desperate need of new blood at the QB position - currently sitting in the #3 slot, all roads to Andrew Luck would then go through Denver, and that's not a bad spot to be in when you're a team with multiple and dire other needs.
Personal Favorite: Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida
Though certainly not as dark as the Broncos current campaign, the 2010 season was not a fun experience for Florida fans such as myself. That said, the Gators were not without their standout performers and two of them are potential fits for the Denver Broncos in this year's draft. Though it's not yet certain that he'll enter the 2011 NFL Draft, Janoris Jenkins might be wise to do just that.
After breaking on to the scene in 2008 as an impressive true freshman starter opposite future top ten pick and current Cleveland Browns cornerback Joe Haden, Jenkins suffered a bit of a sophomore slump that had onlookers concerned going into his junior season when he would be thrust into the spotlight as Florida's top corner. Whatever questions were being asked of Janoris prior to 2010, however, were answered resoundingly. Stud wide receivers like Georgia's A.J. Green, Alabama's Julio Jones and South Carolina's Alshon Jeffrey have two things in common: they're all future first round picks and they each had arguably their worst games of the season last year against Janoris Jenkins.
Though Jenkins has just average size for a CB at 5'11 and 184 lbs., he plays bigger than his measurements due to incredible athletic ability and refined technique. Janoris is an explosive playmaker that's a threat to score every time he touches the ball, and that's actually quite often given his style. He doesn't shy away from contact and is even a capable blitzer off the corner. He's a complete football player, forged in the white-hot heat of SEC football and polished by coaches with a proven track record of producing quality NFL prospects.
At present, Jenkins is rapidly rising up draft boards around the Internet. Though further scrutiny may belie that Janoris is actually slightly smaller than his already marginal listed size, his other physical tests will reveal a finely-tuned athlete. Moreover, you can't argue results, and he's shutdown the best, brightest and biggest, all on the grandest stages. In today's NFL, multiple top-flight corners are a necessity, not a luxury. Whether or not the Broncos keep Champ Bailey (and I hope they do), Jenkins would be a fine addition to the defensive backfield. Most have LSU's Patrick Peterson at the top of the potential CB class in this draft, but for my money, Janoris deserves that acclaim.
Sleeper: Ahmad Black, S, Florida
Speaking of production, there may not be a more underrated prospect than Ahmad Black in the 2011 NFL Draft. Easily the Florida Gators most valuable player in 2010, the senior added a new dimension to his already impressive college resume this year.
Though Black was recruited to Gainesville as a cornerback and even played the 2007 season at that position, he was switched over to safety with astounding results. Ahmad started every game in 2008, claiming a share of the national lead with 7 interceptions and even returned two of them for touchdowns. Though he was not allowed to live up to that astronomical standard in 2009 due to a crowded secondary for the Gators - he even considered going pro prematurely to get out of that situation - he decided to return when fellow safety Major Wright (currently of the Chicago Bears) unexpectedly declared for the 2010 draft. His renewed playing time yielded yet another spectacular season, but in a wholly different way: he notched an incredible 103 tackles, including nine tackles for loss and a sack. As a firsthand observer, I can tell you that many of them were absolutely critical plays.
Like Jenkins, Black may have his size - or lack thereof - held against him, but such negatives pale in comparison to his performance, production and other positives. At just 5'9" and 190 lbs., Ahmad was still plenty big enough to direct the defense, diagnose plays, dole out plenty of big hits, and put up even bigger plays otherwise. His leadership is unquestioned, his awareness unparalleled and his ability simply amazing. Currently viewed as a third round pick by most, I think he'd be the steal of the draft in that range. With the safety position in Denver ripe for some turnover, Ahmad Black would be an ideal addition to the roster at this point.
Closing Arguments
I obviously concur with those of you who feel that the defensive side of the ball should be the focus of the Broncos draft strategy. While the defensive backfield may not be the most pressing need at the moment, talent is talent and we should focus on getting the best players available. I promise that future iterations of this series won't be so Gator-centric and will look at other positions of need, but I thought I should share my thoughts on two guys that I've followed closely for a long time who I think are great fits in Denver. And so, without further ado, I yield the floor to you and look forward to our continued conversation in the comments below. As always, I'll do my best to respond to as many of you as possible, but I trust that you'll do quite well without me if necessary. I've missed you, Mile High Report, the single best fan community in te world; go Broncos - past, present AND future!
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Thanks man...I am not as sold on Luck as many...I think he will be very good, but calling anyone a cant miss prospect is silly...
I like players with attitude, and its sorely needed at Dove Valley.
Great read man and Happy X mas!
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In 1998
a time which befuddles we aspiring NFL historians, many GMs (straight-faced mind you) said Ryan Leaf was the better prospect than Peyton Manning. OOOOOps
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 25, 2010 8:41 AM MST up reply actions
Actually...
My hatred for the Tennessee Volunteers blinded me into underrating Peyton Manning back in the day… oops!
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I Love Andrew Luck, But...
I’m more than happy with Tim Tebow as the Broncos QB, now and into the future. I’m quite certain that Luck will be a smashing success at the next level, but we should focus our attention elsewhere.
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Nice post
As far as safeties are concerned, who would you rate higher: Mark Barron or Ahmad Black?
Barron’s injured and he too, could fall and be steal in the draft:
12/19/2010 – University of Alabama defensive back Mark Barron underwent surgery to repair a pectoral muscle tear sustained in the Crimson Tide’s 28-27 home loss to Auburn last Friday, and will miss the Crimson Tide’s bowl game. Whether the injury impacts the junior safety’s decision of whether to declare eligibility for the NFL Draft remains to be seen, but the length of rehabilitation could affect Barron’s availability for the NFL Combine in February. "Mark Barron suffered a muscle tear and had successful surgery to repair it. He’s already started the rehab process, but he will be out for the bowl game," UA coach Nick Saban said.
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True, But...
I think a lot of underclassmen that might otherwise be better served with an additional year of seasoning in college ball will declare this time to try and get in before the rookie salary scale is implemented.
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Hmmm...
I have to go with Ahmad Black over Mark Barron right now, but that might be my collegiate orange and blue glasses talking! Honestly, I think they’re both solid NFL prospects, but I’ve followed Black for longer and much closer, so I feel more comfortable with him.
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what are we looking for?
It depends, I guess.
I’m looking at SS as the higher need. It may not be the case that we’re looking to find the final answer at SS through this year’s draft but there appears to be need that should be addressed, and there’s a number of ways we could go — such as drafting a FS now and filling SS through Free Agency, trade, next year’s draft, etc. And I’m not particularly confident that we won’t look to fill FS first, since finding a centerfielder may rank higher because of the importance of pass coverage than an in-the-box type of S who can provide run support.
Any thoughts?
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Versatility.
One of the awesome things about Black is that he can do – and, more importantly, has done – it all. One season, he plays the center-fielding ballhawk and comes up with a nation-leading seven interceptions. Another year, he comes up close to the line as an in-the-box safety and collects 103 tackles. The kid can do it all! As for our current roster, I like McBath as a ballhawk, so I’d want a hard hitter to compliment him.
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more on Black, etc.
I should have qualified my original question, since it’s not clear that position is the overriding concern. I usually don’t ask questions that can’t be definitively answered but this question is still very open and thus may lack a true answer or need reframing.
Here’s my take — we need to fill Dawkins’ role. I don’t necessarily believe that he’s done but he’s no longer ‘’reliable’ because of age/injury issues and we need to fill that role. I see the SS as part of the backbone of the run defense and therefore pay particular attention constructing that “backbone” with great care. Black may be the best candidate, and for other reasons, too, but the point is to carefully consider additions under a decisional criterion that spotlights how the parts of the backbone fit together and function.
An additional take — pass defense is the most important aspect of Safety play and I’d love to find an exceptional FS who fits the classic centerfielder role — a smart, ballhawking DB. I’d go into a longer description but I think that sums it up even though it’s too brief to convey the importance of the position. McBath is fine from a performance standpoint but his injury issue is a really big concern.
A single (‘higher’) Safety draftee is advisable and it doesn’t really matter which way we go. There’s no point in attempting to plan it out in advance because the choice may be too contingent to allow for much planning. I still view Champ’s agent’s offer of having him play FS as intriguing, and I’m mindful of the fact that the CB to S move is usually a bad idea. I’ve also been intrigued by the idea of moving Syd’Quan Thomson there, although I seem to be alone. However, none of these ideas precludes drafting Black. I’m also considering signing a FA, which I see as an accompanying strategy rather than an ‘either or’ alternative.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
A word on Safeties....
I think the position of Safety is possibly the most underrated on the entire football field. A good safety will at worst not only clean the mess up but, at best, will dominate the field. Look at how Pittsburgh’s defense changes when Polamalu is not in. A roving, big hitting, sure tackling, centerfielder who can cover would be perhaps the biggest offseason improvement for our defense. Our defense sucks no matter what but look at how bad it has been since Dawkins went out. It has become twice as bad.
My point is this: Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara are big enough and instinctual enough to play safety. I’m not necessarily advocating this or suggesting we pick them, in fact I am a Fairley guy.
From what I have read, Patrick Peterson’s only flaw is his unwillingness to be a run stopper. Prince Amukamara’s only flaw is supposedly the lack of elite speed. Prince is supposedly a capable and willing run stopper. As I said, I’m not necessarily advocating it but the idea of picking one of these guys to shut down the entire middle of the field is intriguing.
Interesting...
I like that you’re thinking outside the box by valuing safeties so highly, but the fact that the rest of the NFL seems to be languishing behind the curb on this matter means that good prospects already proven at the position can be found later in the draft. Case in point, a guy like Ahmad Black is apparently going to be available in the 3rd round and that’s a heck of a steal! You and I see eye to eye though: get Fairley in the first and snag an inpact safety soon thereafter.
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Patrick Peterson...
Patrick Peterson is a once in a generation CB who is 225lbs and runs in the high 4.3’s low 4.4’s. Contrary to what swg777 wrote..he is VERY physical and a lot of people project that he turns into a Ed Reed type safety in the NFL. …if you don think he is physical…watch this video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1oqIK9cMTY&NR=1
With this being the deepest draft for D-Line in years…I say we go after Peterson since he would instantly start in our aging secondary and draft 1st rd grade D-Line with our early 2nd rd pick.
I’ve reread my post about a hundred times and I can’t find the part where I said he was not “physical.”
I think he was referring to this above...
Patrick Peterson’s only flaw is his unwillingness to be a run stopper
I get it though and Peterson may with his size and speed be better suited at safety.
a question
Is his suitability for S a factor for or against picking him so high?
The usual thinking is that an impact CB can warrant a top ten pick if he’s an elite player but Safeties are almost never picked that high. I have mixed feelings about this. There’s reasons to support this rationale since CB is a fairly high impact position (see Matt McGuire’s Draftology section at WalterFootball) but there’s also reasons to reject it as dogmatic and unreflective of the current reality in the game. I don’t have an answer here but I think the scale still tips towards valuing an elite CB higher than a potential elite S, which could affect the decision. Should we view Peterson’s potential as a S as superfluous to his value? Should we ignore the standard thinking and draft on ability alone?
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Da1truth,
For the record I am not anti-Patrick Peterson. I spent the time watching your youtube video and it showed nothing that bolsters your case. It shows that he is an awesome CB. It doesn’t show him being a physical run stopper. As I said earlier, from what I have read he is not a willing run stopper. Though you might have a good argument to my statement, your video does not support it.
Peterson.
I realize that Patrick Peterson’s unique blend of physical talents will be too much for some to look away from, but I maintain that I like Janoris Jenkins better as a corner AND I prefer Nick Fairley at #2. Heck, I’d rather trade down from the 2nd pick and snag Jenkins a little later (if CB is considered that big of a need) than take Peterson at #2…
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I actually don’t like that video of Peterson. It focuses to much on one play and instead of watching the play from the beginning to end, it starts already close to the end of the play. I want to see him shadow the receiver play the ball and what he does after.
by broncs27 on Dec 25, 2010 3:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Highlights.
Unfortunately, highlight reels are always deceptive, but they’re a tool to see upside at least!
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I'm not big on CB's though...
Seems like a big investment for the defensive position that contributes the least out of the 11 on the field.
Pass rush is the key!
by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 25, 2010 8:19 PM MST up reply actions
After looking at measurables
I don’t see Denver passing up on Patrick Peterson CB LSU. runs a 4.42 and is 6-1 and 222. Its like a small lb or a big safety playing CB. But, you make a good point about Jenkins. If Denver could trade down and get Jenkins and picks I’d be all for it.
My projections Denver 11-5, San Diego 10-6, Oakland 9-7, Kansas City 7-9
Revised after 9 games. Denver 8-8, San Diego 8-8, Oakland 8-8, Kansas City 8-8
Measurables.
There are years when I’m all about measurables and then there are years when I’m for production and performance. I have no problem with Patrick Peterson at #2 even, I just don’t think it’s the best move for the Broncos right now. I’m with you on the slight trade down and picking Jenkins if CB is the goal.
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Don't like Luck at all...b/c we have too many 1st round QBs already which tells us what we should already know?
The word “potential” means NOTHING! Being from Stanford means nothing. Tebow achieved more during his college years than any QB in NCAA history. That’s NOT potential , that’s fact and Luck will have never won a BCS championship nor a Heisman!!! I’ll go achievement every tIme! As for the CB/S options youi highlighted, I would agree that Jenkins/Black are serviceable CB’s. But I’d take Peterson/Barron every day and twice on Sunday for our broncos. Hey, I’m a huge razorback fan, so I do watch every SEC game too… How biased am I? I still think Ryan Mallett’s the best passing QB in the nation! But I don’t think Denver needs him, but i would love to see more HOGs on our team:). I still think my man Atwater is one of the greatest Broncos ever? But again, Peterson & Barron would be our FS/SS forvyears to come!
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Safety Overload?
I like McBath, provided that he can stay healthy, so I don’t see two high picks being used on safeties. I’m also not in love with the idea of converting Peterson to safety without trying him at CB, where I think he can remain a star. As for Peterson and Barron v. Jenkins and Black, I think we have ourselves a good, ol’ fashioned SEC East v. West divide (good luck in the Sugar Bowl, by the way)! Also, Atwater may be my favorite Bronco of all-time, and he’s definitely my favorite on the defensive side of the ball!
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Of Course!
And his liking of Luck could factor in with the pick once Elway’s in the front office fold, but I just can’t imagine the Broncos burning the Tebow pick this abruptly…
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#1 Pick
If for some reason we find ourselves in the position to draft Luck, IF he declares, it would be an interesting position to be in. After seeing the fire in Tebow, I really don’t believe we have the need for another 1st round pick at QB. The possibility of trading down for picks is a good thing, as long as we still get the “guy” we want.
I agree with many here that our most pressing needs are defensives studs.
If we Pass on Andrew Luck we would be the laughing stock of the NFL.
I still think Denver might trade up and try to get Luck.
But if we don’t we should draft a ELITE PLAYER. Denver needs some game changing TALENT. Nick Fairley = BJ Raji = Great Pick.
Black is a decent choice in the 3rd Round for sure. I like Jenkins but we won’t draft him. It will probably come down to Luck , Fairley , Peterson or Bowers
the only people who would consider us a laughingstock would be the people who don't believe Tebow is the answer
which unfortunately is like 75% of the NFL. I wouldn’t care though. I’d much rather build a solid defense that will keep us in games. I like Luck and if we didn’t have Tebow I’d say we draft him but I like Tebow and want to see what he can do before we throw him out to the curb.
If I had to vote right now I would much rather build an orange crush defense than get Luck.
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by BroncoMath101 on Dec 25, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed!
Who cares what the NFL thinks?! I, for one, would love to see us pursue an Orange Crush worthy defense with the same fervor and resources that we’ve dedicated to the offense in recent years!
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Disagree, Sort Of...
The Texans were the laughing stock of the league for passing on Reggie Bush in favor of Mario Williams, so that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Also, Fairly and Raji are quite different, and Nick is the better draft prospect in my opinion. If the Broncos stay at #2, I have to think (and hope) that Fairley’s the pick, with Peterson as the first alternate.
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Laughing stock??? Hardly.....Luck is good but is not cant miss...and we need players like Tebow...some fire and brimstone....I dont see that out of Luck nor do I see taking him in the 1st as even half smart!
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Really?
We were already a laughing stock for drafting Tebow in the first place. If we were to pass on Luck for Tebow what exactly do you think would happen? Not saying it’s right or wrong, but you’re delusional if you don’t think our org. would be seen as a joke.
Laughingstock
Really? The broncos burned three picks to trade up to take Tebow in the first round, when he would have surely been there in the second round and most likely still available in the third round. The boy wonder EX coach did that for you. Too late to worry about being a laughingstock now.
Crystal Ball?
Looks like you can see into futures that didn’t even happen (“knowing” when Tebow would have been drafted if we had passed) and into the one that’s currently unfolding (“knowing” that he’ll fail, implied in you laughing stock comment) – so, I was wondering if you’d be so kind as to share some winning lottery numbers with me? What’s done is done and cannot be undone, so let’s leave that be; I happen to think Tebow – and by extension the Broncos – will succeed and you obviously don’t; let’s let those chips fall where they may!
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by ejruiz on Dec 25, 2010 6:29 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Hind-foresight bias?
People are welcome to speculate on value but I have to wonder why they place so much stock on draftnik evaluations over the wisdom of the market. I’m not trying to laud the market, as some people do, but it would behoove people to analyze the ‘standard error of prognostications’ in past drafts before pronouncing blatant reaches with such (over-)confidence.
We’re still dealing with the apocryphal “poor evaluator” legacy that helped doom McDaniels’ tenure. It’s not supportable from an objective, numbers point of view. To ask a rhetorical question — where were all these kibitzers when Shanahan’s drafts blew up? The answer involves attribution theory. Players “failed” to develop under Shanahan but McDaniels “reached.” I’m willing to entertain complaints about reaches as long as the poster demonstrates that they used some type of rational scouting process and aren’t merely engaging in a hindsight bias influenced kibitz.
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I think that old fart in Buffalo was poised to get him in the end of the first...
It didn’t happen and noone can say Tebow would or wouldn;t been there in the 2nd…Nobody.
Yeah, I think Buffalo would have taken him
Their post-draft insistence that that they weren’t going to, that the Broncos pounced on him prematurely, sounded like sour grapes to me. They were pissed that McDaniels outmaneuvered them and got Tebow, who they badly wanted.
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by spock on Dec 25, 2010 10:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll put both guys on my research list ejruiz.
First: The QB question. Come draft time I’ll be excited to see how it all plays out. Also, I find myself wondering how the Orton thing will work out for us in trade value. With Tebow and Quinn, we will need a 3rd. Do we trade Quinn and keep Orton as 2nd? And will he be willing to hang? Will Orton still have more value than Quinn? Probably I suppose. If we find another 6th or 7th rounder for 3rd like Brandstater our needs would be served. I agree that since we have Tim Tebow, we don’t need another 1st round QB. I have to admit, however, it never occurred me to that we could use Luck as a bargaining chip to further draft picks without giving up anything of value to us.
Second: The DLIne problem. I, like the rest of us, would like to see Denver pick up some beef on the DLine. Guys like Fairley and Darius would certainly give us that. We have Dumerville coming back and I hope Bailey too. Dawkins will most likely be gone. With the uncertainty of what type of scheme the new coaching staff is going to want to put in place it’s hard to figure what sort of players they will consider most important. No doubt that we need to revamp most of it to rid ourselves of the “suck” factor, and I’m sure that the new coaching staff will do their collective best to see that happen.
That being said, I’m watching, reading and writing notes on posts such as this one. I have high hopes for the 2011 season. Can’t get any worse at least. Thanks for the info ejruiz., I’ll look forward to reading your next post. Go Denver!
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Answers.
I’ve believed all along that this was Orton’s last season in Denver. I still am a supporter of his and have no doubt that he’ll continue to be successful elsewhere. That said, the way the benching went down (following his two worst starts in forever) really hurt his trade value. I still think he’ll be worth a mid round pick (3rd-5th) and that’s plenty. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the Broncos bring in a developemental QB late in the draft or via free agency after it.
The nice thing about DL like Nick Fairley and Marcell Dareus is that they could play end in the 3-4 or DT in the 4-3, so they’re scheme-proof, so to speak. I love their tenacious styles and the amazing performance that results. I think a focus on the defensive line would improve the other units more so than any other approach, but there’s no denying that we can add almost anywhere to the great benefit of our team.
I look forward to talking draft with you as the process moves along; go Broncos!
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Orton's performance in those two games
might give some bargaining leverage to potential trade partners, but offsetting that is the fact that he was injured and that our opponents by that time were selling out against the pass. (Our run production in those games was partly fool’s gold.) Also, the many teams needing a competent QB will be bidding against each other, thus driving up his value. Since McDaniels, as much as I liked and supported him, left the draft cupboard somewhat bare, I’d love to get picks for Orton as well as trade back from our first round pick, preferably to somewhere between, say, four and ten, at which point we could get the defensive stud we need. I’d like to see our first two picks go to an inside run stopper and a pass rusher, and our third to an inside linebacker. I like Fairley as our first pick. In a 4-3 his size would make him a DE-DT tweener, but in a 3-4 he could be a dominant DE. In my opinion.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
I agree with that sentiment spock.
With Fairley that is. He’s a beefy dude and would be great in the 3/4 but would also work well in the 4/3.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
Orton and Tebow.
Like I said above, I think he’s worth a 3rd at most and a 5th at least, and I’d make that deal. As for Fairley, I agree that he’s the ideal pick for the Broncos at #2 right now.
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Tebow showed promise in one start
The next two games will be key to determining his ceiling. That’s not nearly enough time to truly figure it out, but if we find ourself in a position to draft Luck, it will have to be a major factor in our decision. If a franchise QB is available, he has to be a consideration. Lots of talk impact players, well there are no players who have a greater impact than QBs. Just look at the Colts before Peyton arrived or the Falcons before Ryan. These next two games will be huge in determining the future of our beloved Broncos.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 11:51 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I Suppose...
Personally, I think Tebow will be the Broncos starting QB from now into the foreseeable future. I can’t imagine that two garbage-time games would be enough to sway the franchise on such an important decision… at least I hope not!
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There is no way to see a pospects 'ceiling' in 3 games...
Especially in the predicament the Denver Broncos are in…It may take Tim Tebow several games to get it right and become a star…Or not.
The next two games will be key to determining his ceiling.
I agree. Didn't mean to say it that way. Sorry.
What I was trying to say is that if confronted with decision to draft Luck, the next regime will have to weigh what they see in the next two games to determine if Tebow has a high ceiling. That’s really unfortunate. They should have had more, but whether we were to take Luck or not, we still would have to make a serious judgement about Tebow’s potential based on three games. The only way out of this would be not to consider Luck at all, and that would be wrong.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 5:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That's Cool!
I get what you were trying to say and that’s a tough thing to live with. Unfortunately, we live in a world of imperfect information and we have to work with our guts quite often. My gut tells me that Tebow’s the guy and I think management is compelled to agree…
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I hope so. My gut says the same thing.
I just want my head to catch up with my gut. I also want management to go with their guts but also considers all available options.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 6:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
We can't evaluate Tebow in two three games. Not with this coaching staff!
Maybe with the new one next season. That’s the problem. Nodody knows what Tebow can really do with the right coaching. We need to wait and see like it or not.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
Agreed, but if we are in a position to pick Luck, we have to judge Tebow in 3 games. We will judge him whether we pick Luck or not:
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 1:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I would take Tebow over Luck...and I am betting I am one of the few. I want a bad ass leading us....and the kid is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
by boydy2669 on Dec 25, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Tebow has GRIT...True Grit...
John Wayne type grit that get’s people to play better than they necessarily would otherwise. He won’t let player slouch it off or goldbrick…
Can you say that Luck doesn't make other around him better?
I can’t.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 5:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Not really...
I think I got a chance to glimpse at a Stanford game back in Nov and noticed a few things, but why change in the middle of the stream? You may be right in there might be a new coach come in, much like McDaniels who guts the coaching staff and starts over. There are a lot of big ifs right now and nobody knows just exactly what will transpire until May after the free agency and the draft is over. January through April will be very interesting indeed…Then the picture will broaden and we’ll pretty much know who and what will happen…
Define "football player" for me.
If you are using it to call Tebow a can’t miss player who cannot fail, you are unfortunately mistaken. I think he can succeed. I hope he does succeed, but none of us can predict the future, and we shouldn’t start crowing a player our next superstar after one start and great success in college.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 5:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wow...
I’m a fan of Tim Tebow (even got to meet him at UF through a mutual friend) and I think he’ll be a success in the NFL, but I’d be lying if I told you that Luck didn’t grade out better than Tebow as a draft prospect in my book. I just happen to think the Broncos will be better off focusing draft resources elsewhere!
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The play that sold me
I believed in Tebow and the mystic before he became a Bronco (I’m not a Gator fan, go Penn State) and it showed on that 3 and 24 against the Raiders. That play was everything that the media said he couldn’t do in the NFL. That play was so telling. His mystic showed and it just happened. He made it happen. I am not comparing him to Elway at all when I say this……..He made it happen just like Elway could make it happen. So many of Elway’s plays made you just shake your head in disbelief and that is the way I felt after that play. All the pressure was on him. That play kept our weak minded team in the game. As Mike Ditka says, "you can’t coach what Tebow has"!
by SAINT7 on Dec 25, 2010 12:17 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yep. It was a great play.
Tim made something happen from a broken play. That was the one thing I wanted to see him do. He certainly was able to do that. I’m sure that the highlight of that run will always be a part of Bronco history. And, the reason I think we need to evaluate Tim as a starter over more than just the next two games. We need to hire a decent coaching staff that will develop an offensive scheme with all his abilities in mind. I’m more concerned about who his back up will end up being.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
The real travesty is that we will only have 3 games
To evaluate Tebow. If Luck is available, we will either decide Tebow is talented enough to be the future or that Luck shows more promise. If a prospect like Luck is available, a new regime cannot just discount him to give Tebow more time to prove himself.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 1:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It's only three games
but if we see visible improvement in that timespan it’ll give us some idea of his upside. Right now he looks a lot like a Roethlisberger with character. On his TD run, in which he stiff-armed a would-be tackler into the ground around the five, he looked like a man among boys.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Hmmm...
I guess it can open some eyes if he plays well, I just hope it doesn’t close doors if he struggles. Rookies struggles and this team packed it in weeks ago…
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Tebow.
The guy is a football player, period. He will kill himself to win and, more often than not, he’ll succeed if you surround him with enough talent. The Broncos would be wise to secure the defense and let Tim play.
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by ejruiz on Dec 25, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The league is full of high effort "football players"s
that aren’t elite players and never will be. I am not saying Tebow can’t be an elite player. I hope he can, and I hope he shows enough in the next two games to quiet his critics and solidify our first round. I am, however, not willing to use his college career and off the chart intangibles to project success. If Luck is available, the Broncos owe it to themselves and us to make a call on Tebow. I agree that we need defense, but that may not be in the cards. A lot of it depends on Tebow in these next two games and hopefully not on how badly he beat, fill in SEC school name here, last year.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 3:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
27...thats TOTAL BS....being called a FOOTBALL PLAYER by others is the ULTIMATE compliment.....the league is not full of any guys near Tebow.....just saying.
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
by boydy2669 on Dec 25, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
What I am referring to is the "high effort" player.
There are plenty of guys each draft that don’t have a ton of talent but give 100% all the time. I am not saying Tebow is one of those guys. I am simply saying we need to determine his ceiling. Oh and calm it on down there. We have a difference of opinion, but I am trying to state my points in a logical, calm manner. You may disagree, but my argument is no more BS than calling someone a football player and then proclaiming Nobody in the league is near a guy who has started one game.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 4:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
We take Luck and I will start supporting an NFC team. It will be an insanely short sighted and stupid decision. DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
No you won't.
Like me. you’re a Bronco fan as much as it bugs and frustrates you. You show far too much passion for the team to just up and leave them. The truth is, we don’t know anything about Luck and we know very little about how Tebow can play at the pro level. Like it or not, Tebow still has a ton to prove, and the situation he has to do it in is unfortunate and highly disfunctional. The likelihood is that we won’t even have to make a choice between Luck and Tebow—probably the best option available all things considered. If we do have that choice though, the wrong thing to do would be not considering Luck. That’s all I am saying. Not advocating for Luck. Just saying we can’t blindly believe in Tebow.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 5:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I dont know....
I do know I saw him palm Michael Huff’s head and shove him to the ground on the way to a TD…….I think that was a football play dont you?
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Sure it was. Not arguing that.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 5:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
1st game; plays like that; enough said
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Played well. Not perfectly. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 6:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Not saying that either. Simply saying all options should be on the table if Luck is available.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 6:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Level-headed decisions about Tebow are hard to come by.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 6:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
really? boydy has stated it well...
with this horrific D considering another 1st round QB is far from levelheadedness
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Blindly believing in someone who plays the most important position on an NFL football team isn't exactly Vulcan-like logic.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 7:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
blindly? get real
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Oh I'm real my friend. Don't you worry.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 8:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
take your blinders off
and you aint my frined
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Clompy, O and B isn't saying draft Luck
He’s just saying don’t rush to judgement. I personally think I’ll probably end up advocating that we commit to Tebow and use Luck as draft leverage, but since we do have two more games to evaluate Tebow why not use them for that purpose rather than insisting vehemently, right now, that Tebow’s the future and drafting Luck is idiotic. O and B is being reasonable. If holding off until all the facts are in (whichever way we might be leaning at the moment) is wearing blinders, I guess I’m wearing them, too.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Way to live up to your handle, Spock
Only a Vulcan could provide logic in a conversation about Tim Tebow!
thx for the input Spock
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Thanks, Spock.
My point exactly. Tebow’s performance today did a lot to convince me he is our QB of the future. Hopefully he plays well against SD. If so, I think our first round solidifies an focuses on defense like it should.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 26, 2010 7:28 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Alot of Tim Tebow's success will depend on who we bring in as HC and OC...
You think Steve Young was an elite QB in Tampa Bay? It took a guy like Bill Walsh to make a star out of a mediocre quarterback. The same with Joe Montana. Most said he wouldn’t amount to much in the NFL, but Bill Walsh saw something different and snatched him up at #82, first pick of the 3rd round in 1979. What I’m saying is, Tebow could be a very good QB for the right coach and right scheme/system. ou bring in a coach with a philosophy of a different natre and Tim Tebow could suffer and look bad…Then all of these armchair coaches will be calling him names and saying, he’s no good…
rather more like how good our front 7 will be
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
You had me wondering who that mysterious mystic
was until I realized you meant mystique. :)
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
I like Jenkins because of his speed he seems like he could be an asante samuel similiar type player
but thats his potential. Even so i still have him as a late 1st rounder. Why exactly do you have him so high? I think the CB’s better than him are Peterson, Amukara, Harris.
I think peterson is the top prospect if he shows that he has the elite speed which everyone says. Im not as high on amukara, i think he can be beat (its been done before this season by lesser talent) but i feel he still is very physical and big like darrell revis but he lacks the elite speed so i wouldn’t take him that high. Brandon harris and Janoris Jenkins both have elite speed but i feel like Harris is a better prospect because his ball skills, run support, instincts and drive.
Janoris.
The general consensus has Jenkins just outside the Top 10 on the overall big boards, making him the #3 CB in the draft behind Peterson and Amukamara, but ahead of Harris. I’d call them the top tier at the position and fully expect all four to get first round grades in this draft. Personally, Janoris performance gives him the edge of the rest. I can understand those infatuated with Patrick’s measurables (especially since he’s no slouch at the position), but I’m just not as sold on Prince or Brandon. As for your specific comp, Jenkins has twice as many INT (8 to 4), roughly the same number of tackles and he’s done it against better competition. He’s also peaking right now, whereas your Harris seems to have had a bit of a down year. I’ve watched all of JJ’s games at Florida, many of them in person, and I feel comfortable calling him a shutdown corner of the highest order.
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I wasnt ever as high on jenkins however i never have seen any of these prospects play in person
i remember him always as the young fast guy that almost made plays but i havent watched florida play at all this year so im a noob. I’ll look at his highlights and maybe get back to you but jenkins is a guy i didnt think of much maybe i should.
Check Him Out.
The thing about a good corner is that sometimes he’s at his best when you don’t see him on the broadcast. And though stats aren’t great at telling that story either, the lack of production by star wideouts like Green, Jeffrey and Jones against him this year was quite telling. If you can find some scouting tape on him, then please do watch and let me know what you think!
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Depending on who becomes our head coach for the next season
I could EASILY see us trading away Tebow and drafting Luck. And I am not sure how I feel about that to be honest. I flat-out LOVE Andrew Luck, and I have ever since he laid the wood in the Cal game. And being an Oregon fan, I find it very hard to like opposing QBs within the Pac-10, haha. But this kid can throw (I say kid but he’s older than me…) On the other hand, I’ve been able to see Tebow as our QB since the first time I saw Denver run Wild Horses against the Patriots. I just don’t see him fitting in with many coaches offenses outside of McDaniels’ and maybe in Miami as a Wildcat option
by SoCalBronco1998 on Dec 25, 2010 3:30 PM MST reply actions
Here's The Thing.
Just because you haven’t seen a guy do something, doesn’t mean he can’t. Just because Tim can tuck, run and blow up some defenders along the way doesn’t mean that he can’t stand in the pocket a deliever some passes over and through those same defensders. I think there are plenty of coaches who would be happy to have Tebow as their QB and I’m sure the Broncos will find a capable one who does.
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Don't get me wrong
I want Tebow to stay. I can just see us taking Luck if we get the chance.
by SoCalBronco1998 on Dec 26, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
In your oppinion JR is Jenkins better than say, Brandon Harris (Miami Fl) or Jimmy Smith of Colorado?
Wasn’t Jarvis Moss supposed to a Julius Peppers type player? Not saying Jenkins will be a bad player, but I want corners who are at least 6’0.Tinkering with these short corners with 6’3 and taller wideouts even if they possess a wealth of athleticism…
Luck might be the next Peyton Manning and we’ll be kicking rocks around and saying…Ah shucks we should of grabbed him when we have a chance, but since we have a very determined young QB in Tim Tebow, I’ll take my chances with Tim and see what kind of blessing he may bring us…
Comps.
First of all, I hated Jarvis Moss coming out of Florida and wanted Reggie Nelson out of UF in that draft instead… not that he worked out that well either! I do think Janoris Jenkins is better than both Harris and Smith, and I think most would agree with me on that. I go further though, saying he’s better than Prince Amukamara and right up there with Patrick Peterson. I truly believe his performance validates that lofty regard.
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Jarvis Moss was the worst Broncos draft pick since Marcus Nash
Didn’t like the pick up and hated the fact we traded up for him.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 6:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Still hated the Moss pick more.
Probably because I knew more about him. Remember like 04 when Middlebrooks made a slight comeback? That was almost exciting.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Dec 25, 2010 7:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'll have to watch UF in the bowl and see what he has...Honestly I haven't watched a lot of SEC ball this year with working and all.
I did watch Ryan Mallet and My impressions were dimmed some though it might be the talent around that made it look that way…
most mocks have harris ahead of jenkins too...
although personally i have jenkins above amukara…man this is one deep CB class
CB Depth.
It’s a good point that this is a deep CB class, so that’s something to consider. That said, it should be a deep draft overall, so it’s good news all around! I suspect most mocks will start catching up to the fact that Jenkins is moving up draft boards and solidifying his position as the #3 CB in the class.
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I think we need to draft a HC in our first round.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Dec 25, 2010 6:33 PM MST reply actions
HA!
Thankfully we don’t have to spend a draft choice on that, because we need them elsewhere!
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Assuming Kubiak comes to Denver in some
Form…i think he may take Slaton with him to be our #2 back. I think he would be a great fit here in Denver and a great checkdown option for Tebow. That would take care of our need at RB allowing us to focus our picks on Defensive talent…Moreno, Slaton, LenDale and Ball in the backfield for 2011 sounds great to me
by knoepke84 on Dec 25, 2010 8:01 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I doubt Kubs will be here as an HC
He hasn’t really done that well in Texas.
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Go Denver!
And Belichick didn't do that well in Cleveland
Giving a HC his first job, and thus training him to succeed in his second, maybe wasn’t a good idea. Maybe a better idea is to hire a guy who’s failed in his first job but is ready to succeed in his second. A tricky proposition, no doubt, but would it be better to give one of the retreads another ride on the coaching carousel? Kubes might or might not have what it takes to succeed in his second stint (if he’s fired from his first), but i wouldn’t close the door on that possibility.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
You Know What They Say When You Assume Things...
I have no reason to believe that any candidate has an edge over the others at this point.
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draft
Best available defensive player. I barely watched any college football this year so i will let the “experts” tell me who that is, and whoever that guy is I want.
by Tony Astorino on Dec 26, 2010 12:03 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Fair Enough!
I think BPA is a great way to go, informed ever so slightly by need. Though I’m certainly no expert, I hope you’ll continue to check up on our work here!
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