Denver Broncos: One More Win...
by Tim Lynch on Dec 27, 2010 8:01 AM MST
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I told you so. No really, I'm kidding. The cold hard reality is that we have seen one great game - hopefully the first of many, but there is still much more to see. I am currently sold on going all in with Tim Tebow for 2011. Kyle Orton? Not interested. Andrew Luck or Jake Locker? No thanks. I've seen enough in two starts to want to see more next season.
I am convinced he is no Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell, but the jury is still out on whether he will be the next Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Right now, I'd say he is right around the middle of the pack, sort of like the guy who he replaced. It is my sincere hope we are only seeing the surface of his potential being scratch and much more is yet to come.
For now, we fans have one more game to watch. What a treat it would be to watch the Broncos come out and man handle the San Diego Chargers. Forget the draft position, this is about PRIDE. The entire team has seemed to rally around each other, in spite of the pointlessness of the rest of their season. And I love it. LOVE IT. One more win.
A strong finish would go a long way in changing my view of this team and just how devoid of talent it may or may not be. Currently, my mind is still on beyond this lost season, actually about ten days from now is where my mind is - waiting for the rest of my body to catch up. This is when a new dawn will begin in Denver. A newly organized power structure, a new head coach and staff and, ultimately, a much needed fresh start.
Now that we know 2011 will likely need to be Tim Tebow's year, for three games is hardly a full audition, we can focus our attention on the future staff and beginning identifying the draft/free agent needs. I've toyed with many different ideas regarding who should run this team come January and I am pretty much open to most ideas. The one idea that I have decided really doesn't jive with me is hiring some old recycled head coach who has been out of the game for more than a year. I just have to say, no thanks.
Right now, it is hard to identify any head coach candidate that I feel is a perfect fit. Really, I only have a vague set of criteria that I will be attempting to apply to any potential candidate. The first is, they have to be either a coordinator in the NFL or a head coach in the NCAA. Secondly, they have to come from a mentally tough team. I'm not too fond of hiring guys from weak-minded football teams - that means the Chargers. The guy I wish would consider applying for the job is Urban Meyer. However, all of these criteria are moot unless the Broncos bring aboard unemployed head coaches to become the offensive and defensive coordinator.
We have all seen what happens when inexperienced positional coaches or coordinators suddenly find themselves out of their depth. I think we should follow the lead of teams like the Kansas City Chiefs or Chicago Bears and remove or at least minimize any damage that could be done from having a poor head coach. Surround the main guy with a great supporting cast and you will have success. I have two guys that are at the top of my list of coordinators and both will likely lose their jobs at the end of the season.
The first is Gary Kubiak. I didn't think he would be available until today. Houston Texan brass is not going to be happy about blowing a lead to the "lowly" Broncos and with the local media beginning to turn on Kubiak like the Denver media had turned on Josh McDaniels, it is only a matter of time. The irony is, I recall a few years ago when the Green Bay Packers finished 6-10 and lost like eight games by a touchdown or less, but were competitive. The next year they won the division. I see the Texans of this year to be similar to the Packers of back then, it's too bad the ownership won't likely see that similarity. Too bad for Texan fans that is!
The second guy is Mike Singletary. He is gone, maybe even by this morning (Whoops, gone by the post game shows on Sunday!). I live in Sacramento, so I get tons of exposure to the San Francisco 49ers. The fans hate his guts and the media is finally turning on him as well. Now the owner pretty much said he would be fired, just didn't elaborate on when that might occur. The 49ers defense was a wreck when Singletary was hired and it is now a pretty tough defense, even though it lacks pure talent. I like Singletary's intensity and determination to win. He is a unique breed of man, one which I would love to see wearing an orange and blue windbreaker.
I really believe that if the Broncos top echelon of decision makers hires a good - not yet failed as a head coach - head coach and surround him with former head coaches who are returning to the coordinator position to lick their professional wounds, the Broncos will find themselves in a remarkable situation.
Of course, all of this is speculation. If the Broncos do not follow the course I had hoped, then all is not lost. I'll just be more wary heading into the season. There are so many unknowns, having a solid coaching staff would go a long way in allaying my apprehensions.
GO BRONCOS!
Oh one last thing....RESIGN CHAMP FREAKING BAILEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Right there with you Tim
Seeing the game ball presentation in the lockerroom after the game yesterday; wins go a long way to the pride, spirit and confidence of the team. They were jazzed for sure
ALL IN FOR TT 2011!
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Thanks. I missed the game ball presentation...
not shown out here in CA I think.
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awesome, thanks!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
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with they showed what Mr. B said however......
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
2 thoughts on locker room video
1) Bowlen was there looked completely lucid. I was wondering the past few months if the reports of his Alzheimers or other disabilities were true, but from the brief showing in the video and from short comments on the radio he does seem perfectly “with it”. If that’s true and he is healthy, then why the heck has he taken such a gigantic leap back from managing the team? Surely he recognizes the void of leadership that has existed in the front office for a while now.
2) Fresh legs. The players were chanting this while Studs was giving his speech. I wonder if this is another veiled rip on McD and his wind sprints? Players are now happy Studs has limited the sprinting?
Overall, great win yesterday. Love Tebow! He has resored some optimism again for this team. It will be nice to end the season and go into the long offseason having lifted ourselves off the floor after having been knocked down so many times this year.
i doubt it had anything to do with mcd.
It probably had somthing to do with the running backs.
by Pmoreno95 on Dec 27, 2010 9:24 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Buck in particular
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
yup, you're probably right
anyway, it wouldn’t make sense for players to still be talking about McD. He’s ancient history now to this team.
You're probably right
Chances are, it had to do with CBuck being able to step in and help out his unit.
He suffered a stinger in his back during TC and for many weeks, it was said that he needs to be said because he “lost a step.” I think he’s fine now. Back injuries tend to linger and it looks like CBuck is back to being healthy. He was moving around better than Moreno and Ball yesterday.
He’s a low mileage back. Let’s see if he can make it on the team next season – he deserves the chance.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Sheesh
it was said that he needs to be cut
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
I am really losing patience with Knowshon
Buck looked real good and gives us a a bright outlook for next week and hopefully for next season. The durability of our backs is a major concern. I do not like the running style of Knowshon and may be contributing to his lack of durability. His feet always seem to be to far ahead of his legs or something and alwasys is getting caught from behind in the open field.
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
We definitely need to draft a RB
We’ve had Moreno to rely on because of injuries (White and Buckhalter) or inexperience (Ball.) This isn’t going to cut it next year.
Denver doesn’t need to draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd round, but they need another good back. Free Agency could help too. If Jeff Davidson could be brought to Denver as the new O-line coach or OC, maybe he could bring DeAngelo Williams with him?!?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
I’d prefer to pick up a RB through FA, certainly hope they don’t use one of the 4 high draft picks on one.
"Who says Tim Tebow can't throw the ball...? Whoever said that, they didn't know what they were talking about."
-Gus Johnson
by plainview88 on Dec 27, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Watching Blount hurdle Seahawks yesterday...
I sure wish McD had taken a chance on him. It is obvious that the chance to discover gems in the late rounds or FA still exists even though Shanny is long gone.
I can see Russia from my house.
same with Arian Foster
I’ve even seen him say he wanted to be the next Terell Davis…and it wouldn’t surprise me if he achieves it.
So many late round or FA gems out there in almost every position. It makes you truly apreciate scouting.
Mike Bell once said the same thing...
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Yeah, he could be the next TD
But Davis had a tragically short career. Foster will follow that mold I’d bet.
Shannahan was the king of unknown RBs. Torain this year, Hillis 2 years ago – other names: Gary, Mike and Tatum Bell, Mike Anderson, Ruben Droughens.
Kubiak must have learned well from him – I’d love him as the OC (or even head coach).
Did you see that sick move he put on the Seachicken defender?
It was a sick, sick move and it was the sickest “Whooop”, I’ve ever heard Berman make.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Dec 28, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
I like our RBs but would love a late round reach-type RB
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
I'd love if White comes back healthy!
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 27, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
Find me another Arian Foster - undrafted FA
Knowshon would see much playing time healthy or otherwise. Please show us why you were the highest rated RB in the draft, oh please!!!!
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
wouldn't see that is
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Knowshon has been very good when healthy
Compare his runs to those of any other RB on the team (apart from Buckhalter this week – that was good).
When he touched the ball, it was a good chance for something good to happen. The run blocking hasn’t been good, but to him from the 2nd tier (especially Malroney – YUCK!) was a world of difference.
horrible comparison are you really serious? any RB on the team?
you are speaking of the 12 player chosen in the draft vs an undrafted free agent and a guy with a neck problem, OK he’s then pretty good when healthy, sorry not good enough. Not to mention being always being caught from behind and not having a run longer than 25 yards in his career.
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Don't forget LenDale
I stll think he would have made a big difference this year
Broncomaniacs.... UNITE!
by gahoagie on Dec 27, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
He seemed to be a good counter to knowshon
by broncosforever on Dec 27, 2010 8:19 PM MST up reply actions
LenDale failed off of two teams in the offseason
He’s not a difference maker. He isn’t the type of player we want to pin ANY hopes on. He may have a few good games or even a good season – but he is trouble in the locker room (he was whining about not getting carries when he was behind Chris freaking Johnson!), lazy in the offseason (he dropped a whole round on draft day because he showed up for the combine out of shape), been dealing with injury issues (very bad for lazy RBs), and even his college coach wouldn’t keep him when Seattle picked him up this offseason. He won’t fix our running game – look for somebody else.
his college coach by the way is a moron
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
the fresh legs comment
was funny. It was a not so subtle hint at a day off, which he granted a minute later….thats my guess…..good stuff Tim
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
Dude...long time buddy.
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miss you on cod
your being a better dad then me :)
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
yeah...I miss it terribly.
I still dream of how many nukes I could have gotten since I sold it. lol
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dont buy it
i believe it was directed at Buck, his ex-position coach showing the love for his best game as a bronc
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
right, i didn't get it at first
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
Does anyone else think Stude
looks like Shrek? Paint him green and he’s got lovable ogre written all over him.
Despair: It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
by bcfunk on Dec 27, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yes haha!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
I think you're onto something!
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
by Horsepower on Dec 27, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions 8 recs
lol
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
+1
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
Truly hilarious
Who knew Shrek was in the house!!! LMFAO
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Dec 28, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
Woah!
Never noticed until now – and that photo in response to your comment is a perfect shot for the photoshop!
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 27, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
He is a cross between Shrek and Kurt Angle!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
More thoughts on the post-game speech from Studs
Something I thought was interesting was that I watched that and I watched his press conference (here), and he seems like an extremely likable guy. He strikes me immediately as a guy that seems like he has fantastic people skills, something McD was sorely lacking. I can’t help but wonder if the players really like him?
I mean if we go and whup on San Diego next week and the players love him… Do we keep him? Say we bring in top-notch coordinators for our offense and defense (something like Kubiak and Nolan – just throwing names out), would it be that bad for the over-arching coach to be a guy who the players love and is a good motivator? Someone who’s willing to be relatively hands-off on the respective coordinators?
Crazy idea I know, but I could be talked into this, if and only if we brought in high-caliber coordinators and Studs was relatively hands off with each of them.
I'd be shocked if Studs is hired as our HC going forward.
To me, he’s a great interim coach because he’s expendable. It’s not like we hired Jason Garrett (heir apparent) or Leslie Fraiser (hot coaching candidate). We hired our RB coach. I think it’s win/win for all parties involved. Studs gets some HC experience which will serve him well and the front office can make their HC hire without too much fuss. Even if folks like Studs, I seriously doubt their will be a fan uprising if he’s canned once the new coach is hired.
Despair: It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
Uhhhh....
If we hired him as HC my head would explode.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 28, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
What? I didn't hear you.
But that’s because I have no head, and therefore no ears because my head just exploded at the thought of retaining Studs as HC.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
Agree about Bailey!!
I’m not sure I’m real fond of your coaches, though, Too many “if’s.” “If” we hire a strong GM; “If” we hire good coordinators …
I’d rather have a proven winner a la Cowher or Gruden come in, because they’ve not only proven they can win, but they’ve proven they know how to build a support staff as well.
Proven winner....before they left the league.
Anyone hired is going to be an if until the season starts….
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I'd just feel better having tons of experience on the coaching staff....
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
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I think Grudens
act would wear thin… fast in Denver. There is something about his personality that does not seem like a good fit here or with Bowlen and the rest of the organization. Get Harbaugh as soon as it’s proper, don’t waste anytime, I promise you SF fired Singletary with an eye towards Harbaugh!
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 27, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
I hear you there. What does DEN have to offer that SF doesn't? ANd vice versa? Where would Harbaugh rather be?
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
Harbaugh grew up across the street from Stanford, playing at Palo
Alto HS. It would make sense that he would want to stay in the Bay area, family, friends, etc. That would be the biggest plus for SF. He is an ex-pro however, and may not put as much weight on that as others would. He does have some connections with Denver through Stanford Alum Elway who I think is a big Harbaugh fan and right now I am guessing the Denver ownership still carries a bit more cred than the SF ownership. Bowlen did win a couple of Superbowls after all, perhaps Harbaugh would see that as a positive. Obviously I’m a Harbaugh fan, so I confess I’m a bit biased! Just, please…. no Gruden! I don’t think I could watch that face every week and in interviews, I’ve spent too much time in the past 15 years being critical of it and slightly nauseated by it!
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 27, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for Harbaugh and No Gruden!
You might be forgetting the 49ers SB wins though… I’m still trying to forget one of them!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
good thought,
he was probably a kid in his formative years when they were winning those too! Let’s hope then that he ascribes to the saying “you can never go home”.
I’m still trying to block out that Superbowl memory also!
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 27, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
Different Ownership
When SF won their SBs. It has been since that owner… Eddie something?… stepped down and his nephew or somebody took over that they’ve been so poor. SF’s ownership has a poor reputation right now.
Niether are coming here
You can bet on that.
It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?
aka Solace
Oh ...
Is there a link to that game ball presentation?
"The cold hard reality is that we have seen one great game - hopefully the first of many, but there is still much more to see."
This is spot on, in my opinion.
The people who insist upon a coronation based upon what we have seen so far remind of the guys who insisted that Woody Paige should apologize when the Broncos got off to a fast start last year.
Yesterday was great. I hope it is a preview of things to come. It was fun to see the team play hard and pull off a 4th quarter comeback. Hasn’t happened much lately. But it seems way overboard to say it shows we are now on the way to multiple SB’s behind an HOF QB.
Yes, TT looked great. But Troy Smith looked great for one game when we saw him.
I certainly agree TT is not Jabba the Raider (although he looked good occasionally too). The experts who said he couldn’t play at this level sure seem to be wrong.
But I have no idea whether he can do this consistently enough to be the long term answer. And only time will tell. Bring on the Dolts.
I can see Russia from my house.
I'd say it was enough to give 2011 to Tebow for a full audition.
It was fun to see the team play hard and pull off a 4th quarter comeback. Hasn’t happened much lately.
I can’t recall the last time this team came back from a 13 point 4th quarter deficit.
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Agreed! And I can't recall the last time I enjoyed a Broncos game as much as this one.
…at least this season. KC blowout was fun, but watching 4th qtr heroics that end with a win is simply awesome.
winning in December is great fun. Forgot how that felt for a while.
Improve instead of regression = a happy McGeorge
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
It is a good feeling
I can’t remember the last time we won in December. It has to be a few years
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
Seeing guys like Cox, Squid, Tebow and Beadles improving does my heart a lot of good.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
Yea it was awesome to watch yesterday
Cox Played great when Bailey went out. I remember 2 running plays. One He blew up a blocker not allowing Foster to turn up the field right away, unfortunately on that play his teammates decided not tackle foster. The other he Blew up foster on his own for like a 4 yard loss. He is improving in coverage and is above average in run support. The Thing I like most about our Rookie DB is they are not afraid to Tackle.
Beadles and Walton played ok yesterday. Luckily Tebow can avoid the pressure when they cannot block their Man
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
The Thing I like most about our Rookie DB is they are not afraid to Tackle.
Great DBs are not afraid to tackle. Bailey, Goodman, Cox, and Thompson is enough depth, if you ask me. We don’t need to draft any corners for another year or so. We have too many front-7 needs.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Goodman's been terrible & Champ will hopefully move to safety (or maybe even be lost to another team)
We NEED to draft a CB!
AND a safety.
AND front 7.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure we have enough picks
We need a TE, O-line depth, and maybe a RB also. Every year we draft CBs and the D is terrible. Denver needs to have draft focus on the front -7.
Nothing wrong with Goody. He was hurt this year. These guys are human, remember?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
We are going to have to fill some holes in
FA. They all can’t be filled in the Draft
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
Goodman terribl??????????
What in the world are you basing your opinion on regarding Goodman being terrible?
On his play this year!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
Have you seen the smoke and fire coming from each play he has been involved in?
Dude has gotten consistently toasted this year.
Partly because he has had a bum leg. But regardless, straight up toasted.
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Personally I know we really need DL help
but I think PP from LSU would make an All Pro Safety with his Size and Speed. I think Safety is the most underrated and undervalued position on Defense by fans
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
did u see Berry and Reed yesterday?
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
Yes I did
Safety is very important in the NFL. Most of the Elite Defenses have a stud Safety
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
Yes
Seeing the young guys playing well keeps some optimism in the tank for next year. Then we’ll have Doom back, too!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
THIS
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
No problem with giving TT a longterm audition to see what we've got..
He clearly can play at this level. There is obviously potential greatness.
By way of contrast, the Seahawks vs TB was on at the same time as the Broncos where I live.
Charlie Whitehurst played almost the entire game for the Seahawks.. Whitehurst was supposedly handpicked by Pete Carroll to be the future in Seattle. If so, the future there looks pretty bleak.
Watching Whitehurst, it seemed obvious (at least to me) that he will never be a quality NFL starter. Whitehurst looked scared and out of sync. As they say, the game was just too big for him. Clearly yesterday’s game in Mile High wasn’t too big for TT. My point is only that it seems early for a coronation.
If the Broncos are 11 and 4 this time next year with TT at the helm, we will all sing the praises of TT. If they are 4 and 11 again, no one will be discussing whether TT has "it’.
Let’s see how this unfolds. I can’t wait. At least it is exciting again.
I can see Russia from my house.
The way our division is improving, we could finish poorly and still love TT and the end of next year but we're on the same page there.
I live in Seahawk country and Whitehurst does NOT have IT.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
True
Nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic. But you do get the feeling that with TT, the Broncos have a better chance of making comebacks in games than with Orton.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
hey keep doubting him
he thrives on that sh*t, he’ll work even harder if that’s possible
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Nah.....Tebow doesn't need doubters to thrive...
……something tells me he didn’t have too many doubters his last couple of years at Florida but he still tore it up. His motivation is within and that is the most powerful motivation. The other types are just window dressing compared to self-motivators.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
he does not but still loves to prove them wrong
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
I mean the Chargers...
I can see Russia from my house.
It's OK. You can still insult Division rivals... ; ) LOL
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
Same road different vehicle
It’s like you climbed inside my mind Tim, with the exception of Erban Myers. Kube as the HC and Singletary as the DC would suit me just fine.
If I had to choose just one area to improve in personnel and no other it would be the D-line. There is a steely conviction that we need to pressure the QB from the front 7 with particular emphasis on D-end and Nose Tackle.
If both of these should come to pass I might have to move to Denver for training camp!
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
Not sure about Singletary
His handling of Troy Smith yesterday was poor. Maybe as DC?
Regardless of head coach, I think it’d be best for Tebow to stay in the current offensive system (or a version very similar to it). My only thing with a guy like Kubes is a completely different system for him to learn again. Could be a major setback for the guy.
I like the idea of hiring Nolan or even keeping Studes and getting Philiips for DC (he worked with Nunnely before so he’s probably got an advocate inside the org already.)
Rumor alert
According to the worldwide leader in speculations…Charlie Weiss maybe looking for another HC position and his name has come up in relation to the Denver job. All I have to say is please no!
QPU #5286
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Dec 27, 2010 8:41 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Concur
If folks thought McD was arrogant, they have no idea what a grade A ass Weiss is. All I can say is no thank you.
Despair: It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
NOOOOO Weiss!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Agree on hiring top shelf coordinators. Would love to hire a top shelf ST coach as well. Would be thrilled with either of your picks as coordinators. No mas with the no names like Wink and Mike McCoy.
Will be very interesting to see San Diego on Sunday. They haven’t played a meaningless game in several years. I would suspect they are very flat and disinterested Sunday. They are not a team full of “professionals” as exampled by their always early season swoon (and playoff ass kickings). They are physically gifted, but mentally unfit.
I would not be surprised if Denver smokes the Dolts next Sunday. My guess, Rivers goes to this battle pretty much alone as guys like Jammer, Phillips, Jackson and Castillo mail it in.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
I hope we win next Sunday.
There are so many benefits from winning this last game, but only one benefit from losing (draft position).
One benefit from winning that I haven’t seen discussed much is it might help sell the job to an incoming coach or GM. If the incoming coach/GM is jugging multiple job offers, knowing that there are actually solid pieces to work with in Denver might help seal the deal here. I didn’t want to end the season on a 7 game losing streak just for draft position.
I agree that there are many more benefits to winning than losing late season games. You can probably get a super awesome player #5 overall, just like you can at #2 overall.
I fully expect San Diego and Norv to be flat as a pancake this coming Sunday. I would suspect the desire and fire to exist only on Denver’s sideline and in the stands. It’s hard for even the talented teams to win if they are not playing full bore.
If Denver wins by two TDs or more, it would surprise me in the least.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
The worse thing that could happen
to us is to have Norv fired in San Diego! My hope for this Sunday is that we have a great game, Tebow lights it up and we barely lose! This may be what it takes to save Turners job and we potentially end up with the 2nd pick in the draft! I fear SD more if they had a good coach. I used to say that we should be penalized every play on defense when we played the Raiders and Marc Wilson was the QB for Oakland, it was like we had too many men on the field! He was our 12th man…. hated to see him leave!
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 27, 2010 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
I am tired of losing divisional games...screw whats good for SD or bad for SD.
A win is good for US.
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+1
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
Turner is a goner no matter what happens Sunday
May a well go ahead and blast the Chargers for good measure…
damn right!
even if we light them up, they will still celebrate a meaningless late TD…..posers!
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Sorry mcgeorge but #5 to #2 is much more than the first pick.
You have to factor in the rotation for the remaining rounds. Right now Denver is one of three and would pick #2(2), #35(4), #67(3). If we drop to #5 there are 6 5-10 teams and maybe Minn so the #5 then becomes #45(7), then #76(6) and so on.
No mcgeorge, the difference between 35 and #2 is really BIG.
And I do not see SD laying down. Philip Rivers will not let them on his team.
You are right it would be a surprise to see Denver win by two TD’s.
And if we lose to the Dolts next week and end with with Bowers at #2 overall, I’m cool with that as well.
Yesterday’s comeback was my high point (and a very high point) of this season and then seeing Rivers make his loser face after getting knocked out of the playoffs just five minutes later… well that was the cheery on top.
One (1) is the number of Super Bowls Stan Humphries has played for San Diego (the Dolts lost that game by 23 points)
Zero (0) is the number of Super Bowls Phil Rivers has played in for San Diego. Go mock mile high salute that Phil..
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
One (1) The number of Superbowls the Broncos have won IN THEIR HOUSE.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
People tend to forget?
People tend to forget that what seperates Tim from the pack is his work ethic. Other QB’s have talent but stop working and therfore fade out in this league such as your Lienarts, Leafs, etc. Tim has become what he is based on his hard work which will not end. Tom Brady is what he is today not from talent but from this same kind of work and drive. True coaches understand this. He has found a way to win at every level he has been at. Glad he is on our team.
by West Coast on Dec 27, 2010 8:57 AM MST reply actions 8 recs
This is an excellent point
Most players that come into this league have the talent to be here. What separates the Bad to Good to Elite players is their work Ethic. Yes talent comes into the equation when you start talking about elite however most of the QBs that come up in the elite discussion all have Great Work Ethics. They are at the facilty all the time trying to get better. Tim Tebow has the Work Ethic to succeed in this league. Talent only takes you so far
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, that's true and
he also has the “it” factor, whatever that is. His teammates see it in him also and want to play with and for him. When you have the vets like Champ and others mentioning this you know it’s genuine. These guys are so talented at this level sometimes the difference between a winning/championship team and avg./losing teams is players believing in their leaders, avg. players elevate their play with these kind of guys and Tebow is one of those type of players. Also, work ethic plus physical talent is a good thing and Tebow is a terrific athlete.
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 27, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
I couldn't have said it any better, and Rec'd
I believe the Chiefs picked players in the last draft that fit the mold you’re talking about above. 5 of the players we picked where team captains and all of them are smart hard working players with a great work ethic.
The Chiefs went 4-12 last year with more or less the same players they have now. That turn around has to show the importance of getting a great coaching staff as well as assistant coaches, along with drafting players with the characteristics you talk about above “THE RIGHT 53”.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
by CPT.Caveman on Dec 27, 2010 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
Well said
And congrats on winning the division!
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
The stories always said that Elway was the first one in the weight room and the last one out
The rest of the team notices that sort thing and responds. If Tebow is bringing that kind of attitude, guys will notice and be willing to go all-out with him.
I think he is also a great leader
I believe that the players rally around Tebow and want to play hard for him. It’s a night and day difference between him and Orton. I think Orton is a good QB, he just does not have the leadership qualities of Tim.
It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?
aka Solace
Yep...Orton has very little of the intangibles that Tebow has!
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IMO
The reason Leinart, Russell,Leaf, etc. go sour is because they are brought into losing organizations looking for saviors. They are expected to put the whole city on their back and carry the team. Their mental toughness is questioned and they cant handle it. Tebow welcomes the challenge and thrives.
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
by Albuquerque on Dec 27, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
That and they have poor character
I mean, really – Leaf and Russell have both been busted on drug charges since leaving the league.
Leinhart – he is more visible off the field than any good QB. He’s always showing up in celeb news for who he’s dating or on some show… he seems to play a lot off the field. And so he looks really bad on the field.
Tebow won’t be that guy. Call it mental toughness or work ethic – those are the results. The cause is character. He has priorities straight off the field, and that translates into a great work ethic and good mental toughness. Great stuff – glad to have him as our QB. He is the polar opposite of those 3 mentioned.
I met Leaf once just before he was traded from SD...
A gigantic DBag…that’s all I have to say.
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Same goes for PeyPey
People forget the reason why Leaf was coveted in the draft was because he had more physical tools than Peyton did. Peyton is great because of his work ethic and the drive he has to push himself. Tebow has that same drive.
Despair: It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
And MANY great physical attributes.
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This is something I was saying before the draft
Someone asked me before the draft (had no idea he’d end up a Bronco) what I thought about Tebow at the next level. They said they didn’t think his game would translate to the NFL.
My response was maybe it won’t be the smoothest transition, but I was having a really hard time envisioning him failing at any level. Out of any athlete I’d ever seen before, I’ve never seen ANY with as much drive as him. It’s almost uncanny. So yes, I really don’t think he’ll fail – he’s too motivated to fail. And he’s got some phenomenal physical gifts to go with it…
Fully agree scooter
I think it’s easy for us to talk about TTs work ethic as if he has to have it to overcome a lack of physical ability. Could not be further from the truth. As you said, he does have phenomenal physical gifts. After watching him pass what little he has this year, it was clear to me that he will be a great passer at some point, he has very good arm strength and good touch on the ball. I think they never felt the need to develop his passing skills (the under the ball, drop back skills) at Florida, they knew they could win big at the college level with the spread offense so why do something that was not necessary? It’s clear to me that he will pick up those “pro-level” skills now that he’s there. His fade routes in the end-zone are very poor right now and as evidenced by the first interception yesterday, he really needs to work on that back shoulder throw to his receiver. He does have the ability to make those throws though. It’s going to be fun watching this dude develop!
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 27, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
And if those graded skills don't develop but he keeps making plays, he will succeed anyway
I think back to Joe Kapp with the Vikings in 1969. Threw a ball that looked like a wounded duck, but he made plays and the team believed they could win with him. Got them to the Super Bowl (they lost, but that was the best team the Chiefs ever fielded).
Go green....Great comment.....coaches and players see and understand that the INTANGIBLES are almost the MOST important things....Tebow has as much if not more of these than any player in the NFL.
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Young players
As for the youngsters: I was pleased with Squid and Cox. Both played well and hard.
Richard Quinn got away with an obvious false start on Tebow’s passing TD. He also took another ST penalty. It’s time to cut bait on that guy. As someone said yesterday, he is as smart as a box of rocks.
Beadles had another good game. I’m really coming around on him. Walton has a hefty job for a rookie so I’ll wait to see how he handles year 2.
Ayers played with some nastiness too. He is always coming up a little short, but that might not be the case if Elvis is chasing the QB from the other side. That half step away Ayers seems to be will be a massive blow to the QB if he is running away from Elvis.
I’m disgusted with the injury proneness of Moreno and McBath. I’ll try my best to be patient with Moreno since he flashes often, but I’m done with Darcel McGlass. He needs to be replaced by someone that actually plays on Sundays. D Thomas also needs to sack up and get out there vs San Diego.
With Tebow, Cox, Beadles, Squid and Walton, our 2010 draft grades out pretty well after year 1 (aka – the first midterm).
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
Our defense...
Needs a sort of “dark leader.”
They need to want more than to just prevent the team from scoring. Defenses, to be good, have to want to make the other guy feel it the next day.
Good defenses are predicated on fear. Making players 2nd guess going up to grab that ball in the middle of the field. As much as you may hate these guys they put the fear into the oppositing: Polomalu, Harrison, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, etc.
That is why I like Mays. He will PUNISH you and he’s still very young and has time to get much better. We need punishers with that ‘nastiness’ as you put it.
Leave our offense the way it is – they’ll get better with more continuity – and lets draft some guys who will put the fear into opposing offenses. Big, angry looking dudes who had two career options: felon or starting NFL defender.
But I finally feel we are moving forward from the 2009 Debacle.
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by ChristianL on Dec 27, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
After spending a high pick on TE. We need to do that and then leave the offense alone. Tebow deserves a reliable TE to serve as a security blanket most young QBs need. Rich Quinn and Dan Graham or not these guys. Neither is Denver’s Gronk.
Spend the rest of the picks on front seven and a FS. Same with FA dollars.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
Agreed. We got the wrong Gronkowski.
But yes I really want Kyle Rudolph. He has the size, speed, hands, and everything we could possibly want. If he’s there with our 2nd round pick we take him if I’m GM.
Has the potential to be our Witten or Clark for years to come. Other than that every pick should be defense. Every FA acquisition should be defense like you said.
I really hope we get a good GM. That dude from Baltimore looks like a solid hire.
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NE drafted Two really good
TE this past year in Rob Gronkowski and Hernandez. I wish we had that kind of talent at TE
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
I know!
They are both threats in the passing game and are superb blockers. NE is now set at TE for years.
I really wish we could have the level of talent they do. Their defense is so young and so good I think they might be truly special in a few years.
That is what I want for Denver.
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Wait until the combine on Kyle Rudolph.
Lets see how his ACL is before we go 2nd round. We have drafted way too many injured players. Torain, Thomas, McBath, Decker that waste a year just to get healthy.
yeah, let's draft some healthy guys this year.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
Gronk could still come around and there are FA options as well. I prefer we draft DEFENSE
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 9:29 AM MST up reply actions
I feel the same way
Gronk has more upside than Quinn. Since we may lose Graham in the offseason, then keeping Quinn will make sense from a pure blocking standpoint. And we also get Branson back for mini-camps and TC. Let’s see how he does next summer.
But if the team drafts Rudolph in the 2nd or he slides to the 3rd, I’d be happy to have him.
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Gronk will be good...he has some upside.
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Yeah - would be nice to see a TE who could catch 60 passes given the chance
That also opens up coverages for the fast guys, as teams have to roll a DB to the TE.
Our Dark Horse also bites and takes bad angles?
i like mays but i question whether he is ready to be a starter. I am against us not getting anymore outside help at the MLB position. If Mays starts and cant fix his problems we are in big trouble
I like Ayers also
The dude plays with Heart and loves to hit people. He is always a step away from getting to the QB. The problem is their is no one on the other side creating pressure. Once Doom is back it will be much different. Doom and Ayers will be a good combo at OLB or at DE
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
When kick San Diego’s ass next week and miss out on Bowers at #2 (thus landing a guy like Fairley for DT), I’ll be just fine with that.
Ayers can be a good DE, real good next to Fairley and across from Elvis. No more 3-4.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
I think they should play Ayers at DT on Passing downs
a lot more also. Nolan did this with him last year and he looked good doing it when he had the chance. Also If we go back to a 4-3, Which I am not sold on, We have to keep Woodyard as our WLB. He is made for that position with his speed. If we are in a 4-3 I think our LB will be Woodyard, Mays, DJ
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
First two positions drafted
should be NT and a MLB. We desperately need to get strong up the middle on D. Yesterday Wink was calling blitzes from every angle and we would get close but that was it, no sacks. There is no push up the middle, if there was then the blitz packages become much more effective. I feel pretty good about guys like Ayers, Bannan, Vickerson, DJ, and Thomas if they have two studs pushing up the middle and clogging up the middle. I have never seen us go this long with such a lousy pass rush!
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 27, 2010 9:35 AM MST up reply actions
Problem with MLB is there
is not really and great ones coming out this year. The only one I would want is Casey Matthews from Oregon. He just has a nose for the ball. Also Mays brings that Fire that you want in a MLB.
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
I like Mays too, not
sold on him yet. I am doubting my ability to accurately assess players ability anymore. I fear I have watched so much “mediocre” football in the past 5 years that I’ve forgotten what dominant players look like! lol Good example, Mario Haggan, while i love the guys attitude and am glad he’s on our team, he’s just not a starter, he’s a super backup.
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 27, 2010 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
I just think the D played a little better
once Mays was inserted into the lineup and when he went on IR the D got a little worse and the LB started getting burned again
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
We can NOT take a ILB in round #2 at 35.
Absolutely no player qualifies this year. Now Jones or Wilson are rated at about 54 pre-combine so that would mean late 2 round.
IMO 2 DL and 1 DB should go with the first 3 (#2, #35, #45) picks.
by DLMyers on Dec 27, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
absolutely agreed!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
That 1 DB needs to be a Safety
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"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
what if Champ switches?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
It would be a bigger salary decrease I think
Might as well keep him and draft a good Safety, which is a bigger need for the secondary.
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Inane Observation:
But I do believe this is the first time I’ve seen McGeorge use a heading. This is important, people!
"Accept the fact that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue."
by TheMorseFile on Dec 27, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
See a few comments below....inane?
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Yeah, he threw me for a loop using headings. Usually, I know it’s a McGeorge post by the fact that there is no bold print. And it was such a meaningless and insignificant observation, I felt “inane” was the best word to use.
Man. I just spent a paragraph talking about bold headings. I need a beer.
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by TheMorseFile on Dec 27, 2010 8:50 PM MST up reply actions
I see now why Tebow has the following he does.
Dude just wants to win. He makes his teammates want to win.
He’ll flat out put it on the line every game and expect you to do the same. Accountability by true leadership is something we’ve lacked for a very long time.
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How do you scout energy and momentum?
Seeing how the defense and crowd feeds off Tebow is the best part. How the hell does something like that show up at the scouting combine or a training camp practice?
It doesn’t of course. Yet there it was on Sunday, as tangible as his TD run or the Squid INT.
This science is too complicated for me so I’ll just scream at my TV and jump around when Tebow scores more winning TDs
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
Did we just become best friends?
I think we did.
Tebow does that.
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Group hug!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
Tebow is spreading the love and good will towards men
Just by winning an MFIN game.
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Wanna go do karate in the garage?
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
Did you touch my Drum Set?
I know you touched my drum stick…
omfg funniest movie of all time
prestige worldwide (worldwide, worldwide..)
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
Great comment McG!
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All this love is making me sick!
Change your sig already Boydy!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 9:50 PM MST up reply actions
Singeltary as DC ...
I’ll buy. But not a HC. Honestly I think we’d be in a bigger mess leadership wise then we are now. I love Singletary; he was my idol (after Mecklenberg of course) when I was playing Pop Warner football. I just can’t see such an “old school” football player having much success anywhere in the league right now. Bring him in as the DC, pretty please, and I’ll buy a coaches polo with his name stitched in front.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Dec 27, 2010 9:16 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
id have to agree with you 100% on the need for experience in the coaching staff.
What I love most is that everytime tebow is on the floor our o line is ready to attack anyone trying to get a late hit.
by Pmoreno95 on Dec 27, 2010 9:28 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Antonio Peirce was just giving
Tebow a lot of love on ESPN. He is one of the few ex players not on ESPN that I respect a little bit. He is real most of the time. He doesn’t just bash everyone like the rest of the ex players on ESPN now
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 9:32 AM MST reply actions
Keep Studes as RB coach?
After watching the post-game videos, it seems rather apparent that the team has a load of respect for the interim head coach. I think it would behoove the front office to retain Studes and at return him to his former RB coach position without hesitation, yes?
For once in a very very long time, I feel like the Broncos may have actually set foot in the right direction.
This is something I commented on above
Though I was more bold. He seems an extremely likable guy…
this sounds good but would totally depend on the next coach.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe Nolan as HC
Singletary as DC and Kubiak as the OC. He’d know how to use Tebow. Did you see how good he looked yesterday at running the bootleg, though I don’t think they were by design? It was shades of 05 and Plummer.
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I'd buy that.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
Why does everyone want Nolan as HC?
He couldn’t do it in SF why have him try here?
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He didn't get much of a chance there.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah he did. He can’t balance the offense and defense. There are better options.
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Watching Your Broncos Lose Every Week: Devestating.
I just looked up his 49ers history... You're right. There are much better options.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Plus its the 49ers. Id hate to take that job as a HC.
by broncs27 on Dec 27, 2010 1:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Give him another shot
A lot of quality HC’s failed at their first stop. tons actually. Someone had to give them a second chance, and I get the feeling Nolan would be most likely to benefit from one. Give him full control of the defense and I think he’d do a great job.
What a great Monday!
I almost forgot what a 4th quarter comeback felt like.
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Great post. Rec'd Liked etc.
I don’t like the idea of Kubes or Singletary as HC but your criteria for success applies to almost any candidate. Surround the guy with proven talent. Sounds simple. I still want Cowher or Harbaugh really badly. But so long as Bowlen reads your guidelines for hiring… we could be very excited, very soon.
As far as Tebow. I’ll totally agree. Unless he shows us something entirely different next week (I’m not expecting greatness. SD has a very good defense and might very well dig up some pride vs a hated divisional opponent.) I’d say he earned a 2011 audition. That means he gets the title STARTER and is allowed to work through screw-ups ALL YEAR and we don’t draft a QB. The idea of this warms me to the cockles.
Things are getting good folks. YEEEHAWWWW.
Oh yeah. AND RESIGN CHAMP! (or trade him for some youth)
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Trading dowm
Tim what are your thoughts on the Broncos staying where they are against trading down and getting extra picks? With the new cba and all do you think teams will want do do that to get the Broncos spot this year
I am open to this as well.
While a stud D-lineman would be nice at 2-5, I would not mind The Oregon State DT around 10-12 and an extra 2nd rounder to add to the mix. This would allow us to upgrade the TE position as well as our Defensive speed and depth with the rest of the picks.
I am also up for getting the the TE Marcedes Lewis in FA as well as Rudolph in the second. We are then set for years at what I believe is a key position for any well-balanced Offense moving forward.
My problem with trade down is passing on a franchise immediate impact player.
You HAVE to take Patrick or Prince or Nick.
Plus we have two very high seconds to add quality.
With the age in the DB and with Champ gone and Cox suspended and Darcel recuping, we are in DEEP trouble at DB’s.
IMO Patrick Peterson is the perfect answer because he is excellent at both CB and S.
Yeah, if we can get a star... I think we should get him now. We're not EVER drafting this low again.
If the guy we like can be had lower? Then by all means let’s
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
We can't assume that Champ will be gone after this season
He seems optimistic for the first time in months after watching how well Tebow is playing. Since Cox may go to prison or be suspended at least, we can’t afford to lose such a valuable asset. We need to resign Champ. Goodman is good when healthy and Thompson will be ready, but not yet.
It’s the Safety position that needs more attention now, not the CB. McBath is even more injury prone than Moreno and that’s scary.
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again I'm hoping we keep Champ and move him to safety... thus the CB need grows even more. And goodman? Not very good.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
As even Champ and I've heard Deion state....
….it doesn’t matter how good your DBs are if you cannot rush the passer. We need to start with the pass rush. A good pass rush can compensate for an average set of DBs, a poor pass rush cannot compensate if we had Deion and Champ in their prime roaming the secondary.
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Draft a DB and you improve at one DB position
Draft a DL, improve the pass rush, and you make all 4 DBs better, not to mention improving you LBs on running plays.
The Broncos are soft in front – they are making every back facing them Jim Brown (4.6 yds/carry average) and generating zip for a pass rush. Gotta fix that or they will keep giving up points in bunches.
Very astute.
Agreed 100%. We don’t need Prince or Peterson. We need a strong front seven and a playmaking safety. I believe McBath could fill that role at FS, but the dude is made of peanut brittle. Time to go front seven early and often and maybe snag astud safety in the 3+ round range.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
Doom is our pass rush
Dline doesn’t supply it in the 3-4. OLBs do. We need deep depth at Dline, and maybe an elite ILB to move Hagan outside with Ayers and Doom – then we have a pretty good 3-4 pass rush.
Then we need a coach who knows how to make somebody like Ayers into somebody like Harrison. The Steelers pull guys like that out of nowhere (Harrison was undrafted!), so I’m convinced that great coaching makes those guys great.
As for Champ – I would be very sad to see him not be a Bronco. But, he is injury prone and getting older. Still amazing, and probably has 2-3 years left as one of the best DBs in football – but I think it depends on whether we expect to “win now” or build for the future. He won’t be the future, even if we re-sign him, because of his age. He’ll help build a ton, but he’ll be expensive and the team could spend that money on future stars… tough call for the FO. But as a fan, I say re-sign him!
Move to Safety is a really interesting idea. Don’t safeties get hurt even more than CBs though?
You'd think so.
They seem to do more hitting, so by default that would raise their injury concerns above corners.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
If Doom is the whole pass rush, it's toast - with the present front 7, teams will just send blockers against him in waves
Because they don’t have to worry about anyone else.
And the DEs in most 3-4 schemes are still part of the pressure – at least in Collier’s defenses guys like Chavous and Jones were significant sack contributors. Again, the offense has to have some fear about the rush from the line, or they will have blockers in reserve for any blitzes the team calls.
I'm with ya Tim, I want a seasoned veteran to head coach as well as the DC/OC...
I wondered last night if Mike McCoy finally woke up in his playcalling, since it wasn’t as vanilla as last Sunday’s against Oakland. Maybe McCoy doesn’t feel the strain of McD looking over his shoulder every minute, micro managing..That’s what I get anyway. Thanks for the post Tim and I have no clue as what direction the FO will go in or who will make thedecisions come spring time.
Please no retreads as HC....
This means: Singleterry, Kubiak, etc…..
Not sure why we would want coaches on our team who have led losing football teams……
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 11:04 AM MST reply actions
right, let's hire them as coordinators.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
Retreads isn't always bad
Belicheck and Dungy for example.
Many coaches learn from their first failed tenure. Not to say it’s the only right way, but it can work out nicely.
Agreed but I want less risk after the McD fiasco.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Great article
The most important thing that this game showed me was the improvement that Tebow has made since the Pre-season. The Raiders game was not really a fair test because they did not challenge the defense with the passing game.
This game showed that Tebow has tremendous coachability and the most impressive thing was how tall and calm he was in the pocket. This is an enormous change from the pre-season.
His leadership and strength was always there and will always be there, but if he continues to show this type of “coachability” there is nothing that is out of his reach. My hope is that the Broncos can bring in someone like Jim Zorn to work with just the QBs and then Tebow can absorb everything possible from these type of teachers.
The biggest question I had with Tebow before the draft was whether he took to the coaching at the University of Florida or if the University just chose to leave him the way he was in the interest of just winning games and not messing with a proven product. There were conflicting reports that they tried to change his throwing motion and Tebow just couldn’t/wouldn’t take to it.
This game is the first step in making it absolutely clear that he can be molded and the university chose not to do so.
Actually, if you watch Tebow’s passing motion from his Fr/So/Jr years, they are much improved year-to-year. It was when Mullen (OC) left and Loeffler (QB coach) came in that his motion got worse in his Sr year. He regressed. Maybe they stopped working on it. Only he and the coaches know what really happened.
Also, the NCAA limits college players to 20 hours per week with their team. I don’t know how you improve your fundamentals when you’ve got classes for most of the week and then, practice, film, working out in weight room, and game planning to squeeze into 20 hours.
by TT15Superman on Dec 27, 2010 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
Pride/"treat" is nice
but really…it is of very little value next year when it might be the difference between #2 and #6 (how many draft choices can be obtained by trading down from 2 to 6??)
What a treat it would be to watch the Broncos come out and man handle the San Diego Chargers. Forget the draft position, this is about PRIDE
Yeah, I don’t post well-thought-out and drawn-out posts, but it really seems that logic/reason says suck it up and if we lose to the Chargers in one game out of many over the years, it’ll be OK. In the end, the tangible gain will be remembered while the “treat/pride” of a victory well be long-forgotten.
When I was younger, I hated losing at any cost. But now that I am an “old guy”, I unfortunately can see the HUGE benefit of a loss in next week’s game. I guess the difference between “old school” and you young, modern thinkers, is what’s at play here.
Keep in mind the uncertainty of the situation
The 2011 draft is happening regardless of whether there is a new CBA or not. Then if the CBA is negotiated to have a rookie wage scale, there will be a big mess with the rookie agents about whether they fall under this system based on the date of the new CBA.
If this years draft is paid in a similar matter to all recent drafts, then this is not a matter of pride/treat or a matter of sucking it up and taking the loss. The Broncos very simply will want a win so they can pay less money.
If we are not going to draft Luck. Then is there a 20 million dollar difference between Fairley and Dareus?
Is there a 30 million dollar difference between Peterson and Nakamura.
If the Broncos are not drafting a QB then I want them to be picking as far down as possible.
The other thing to consider is that there is no trade value from #2 to #6. Noone in the NFL wants to pick in the top-3 and every year teams put up smoke screens in an attempt to trade out of that position and noone ever does.
The real value is picking around #8 to #12. Those picks are highly valued by other teams and that is the area you want to be in if your goal is to trade down
From what I have heard/read
The CBA will most likely have a rookie wage scale..and you seem to agree.
So to say “If this years draft is paid in a similar matter to all recent drafts” is counter to that – there will not be a “20 million dollar difference between Fairley and Dareus”
You say, “If the Broncos are not drafting a QB then I want them to be picking as far down as possible”. So do I. And especially if Carolina is not going to draft Luck, and we lose next week and have the 2nd pick, then wouldn’t it behoove us to have that 2nd pick and trade it down for what we need?
The thought that “Noone in the NFL wants to pick in the top-3” assumes that no one wants Luck and again, that there will not be a new rookie wage scale.
Lastly, if “The real value is picking around #8 to #12” is there nothing to be gained from moving down to there?
by CamboBronco on Dec 27, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Luck will go #1 overall. So there is no value with having pick #2 or #3 from Luck
There will be a rookie wage scale in the next CBA, but I was referring to when it will be implemented. The 2011 draft is under the current CBA and then there will be a period of time during which the next CBA will be negotiated. If the next CBA is agreed upon after the 2011 draft, then it will be very interesting to see how they will implement the rookie wage scale. Will they tell the underclassman that they are out of luck?
There is no certainty at all what will happen with that giant mess, and if there is no certainty then there is the opportunity for next years draft class to be paid in the exact same fashion as the previous ones.
There is no value in trading down to pick #8 because you can’t do it. Noone wants a top 3 pick unless there are enough QBs (there is only one right now). The only way to trade down from #2 to #8 is to get completely ripped off. Look at the Browns-Jets deal that was the Mark Sanchez pick. The browns were so desperate to leave the top of the draft that they traded out for nothing.
It is truely a money issue. Fans always assume that it is best to have the top pick. In the current business climate of the NFL this is not true at all. This is the main reason that a rookie wage scale will be implemented. No rookie, no matter how good he is, is worth the most money in the history of the league at his position before ever playing a down. the risk of this type of pick and the financial implications are what destroys NFL teams and that’s why noone within the Broncos organization will be happy about paying a corner or 3-4 DE more money than anyone else in the league.
the timing of the rookie wage scale IS critical when trading down!
There are other QBs that could go early BTW. Even Locker could still move up as folks start being reminded of his athleticism.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
yah, your right on the other QBs.
Locker could very well run in the 4.4 and someone might see him as being a Mike Vick type that just needs the right coaching and system.
As of right now there is only 1 guy at QB at the top of the draft.
It will be exciting to watch the draft season. As a fan of a team with a high pick and potentially no interest in a QB, I will be hoping that guys like Locker light it up.
The more the better!
How’d you like to get another 3rd to move down two or three spots and still get our guy!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
Doom may or may not be 100% next season
Picking as high as #2 or #3 is a great opportunity for Denver, that hasn’t been available for a long time. As much as I love trading down to get more picks, Denver needs an impact player to take the pressure off a front-7 that needs more life.
I think it is best for the Broncos to stay put and draft a guy like Fairley, if he’s available for the taking.
This D may appear to need a lot of help, but a FA NT, ILB, and / or a good Safety like Ahmad Black or Mark Barron needs to be heavily considered by the GM and his staff. A good DC (Wade Phillips, for example) will also know what to do to coach up this unit.
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plus Doom isn't great v the run...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
That's why Big Vick on the weakside is a great equilizer
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Yeah he was a nice FA pickup! Thanks McD.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
I think Doom is underrated against the run
He really has never had quality players around him that can take up blocker. Since he came into the league has been Double and even tripled at times. Give him a 1 on 1 vs any Olinemen and I will take Doom every time
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
meh, I hope so. I've seen him pushed around before though. His skill is getting around a guy as opposed to disrupting running lanes.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
It is a great opportunity and it is a great risk as well.
If the guy is a beast then great, if he is average or just good, than you have paid him more money than anyone else in the history of the league at his position for a decent starter. That is the type of thing that cripples NFL teams
If they are picking top-3 and there is no new CBA, than they will surely be making the selection. It will be nice to get an elite prospect.
That’s all he will be though is a prospect. I can guarentee you that noone within the Broncos organization will be happy about making a 3-4 DE prospect the highest paid player in the league at that position.
How could they be?
I'll never root for a Broncos loss...Period.
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Is that a kick to my groin? lol
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by Tim Lynch on Dec 27, 2010 1:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Same here
I’ll never root for a Bronco loss…ever. Just saying it would be beneficial. If it happens, I won’t shed a tear.
Wasn’t a kick…more lick a glancing shot. lol
What a perfect Christmas present this Sunday was...
Was nice to see the guys not give up after the first failed drive of the game.
As much as I love KO, this Tebow kid really does have something special, on the field and in the locker room.
The comments of Champ wanting to stick around just to play with the kid, made me respect Tebowner that much more now too.
My brother keeps jabbing at me as to when I’m going to get my Tebow jersey… It may have to be sooner than my previously stated “never.” :P
RE-SIGN CHAMP… WHY THE F DID YOU GUYS PULL THE CONTRACT IN THE FIRST PLACE~
I wouldn’t mind Kubes and/or Singletary at the coordinator positions; HC? naht so much.
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by Matt In Canada on Dec 27, 2010 11:23 AM MST reply actions
“I’m going to have one goal and that goal is to earn the respect of my teammates and coaches. That’s the only goal I have,” Tebow said. "It’s not to be the starting quarterback right now, it is to earn their respect, because when you earn respect from people, then they begin to like you, and then they believe in you, and then they begin to love you, and then you have a team that is united and cares about each other more than anything else.
Then you go out there and you play for each other, you play for your coaches and you win championships."
by TT15Superman on Dec 27, 2010 11:23 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
He should know
He was the leader of some pretty freakin successful Florida teams.
if the broncos hire Singletary, they need someone to control him.....
What happened yesterday can’t happen here.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 27, 2010 11:54 AM MST reply actions
They should stay away from him
He was never qualified to be a HC in the first place
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
Good showing by Tebow and the defense at the end of the game.
I still reserve my right to skepticism considering that was against a poor pass defense. But it was definitely a much better performance.
Hope we see more of this from Mr. Tebow.
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I'm sure TT will be happy to oblige
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The Chargers are going to be gunning for him big time.
I fear for his safety on those scrambles and QB draw plays. I’m not even kidding.
Chargers hate us…I mean really hate us….
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so were the raiders
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by plainview88 on Dec 27, 2010 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
Meh. I think the Chargers are far more scary than the Raiders these days...
They are much dirtier too…(how weird is that?)
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didn’t look scary against the Bengals
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by plainview88 on Dec 27, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
True, but I suspect they'll be plenty mad about that game
and try to take it out on us.
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You may be right
I don’t know, but with TT running the offense and watching him get the whole team excited, this Denver Broncos team may lay the wood on SD next weekend. It is time for the Broncos to hate the Chargers the way they hate them.
No more being soft. I wish Mays was healthy, but a fired up Broncos team may pull this off. At least the D has Dawkins wanting to finish the season on a high note.
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Probably not - their season is over and they know the coach is going to be fired
The Chargers probably show up with their bags packed and their minds on postseason destinations.
like we SHOULD hate them. I don't expect SD to lay down at all. I'm excited to see Tebow against a good team with the playbook open.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
The Charger are also VERY VERY
overrated and they are a team full of quitters.
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
But they never quit v us for some reason...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
Yep...once again I will say this: I think our 6'3" 250 lb Qb can look after himself....pretty sure!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
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Great stuff Tim!
I didn’t even think of Singletary as DC!!! Man, with Kubiak as OC and Singletary (or Nolan) for DC…. It’d be too good to be true, methinks…. I can’t wait to see how We perform this weekend. It will be a huge factor in a lot of who stays/ who goes/ what position takes draft priority scenarios.
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 27, 2010 2:13 PM MST reply actions
TEBOW TIME
O man Tebow has brought excitement back in watching a Bronco game, this weekend II was ecstatic to see that maybe MCD made one right decision in drafting him, now I prey we go out and get Tony Dungy as our head coach, then grab Mike Singletary as our D coordinator and Gary Kubiak as our O coordinator!!!
get a mlb somewhere
or just dump DJ yesterday was another abysmal demonstration of how not to play football. Every big play was a miss by DJ. He actually ran away from the hole and hit a blocker as the ball carrier ran past him. No cover on TE for TD and on and on. He is pathetic.
I may be
totally alone here but I wish they had let mcd finish out his contract and just added some front office help for him. I really think he was on the right track wit Tebow and next year would have been very different for the Broncos
yawn.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
many agree with you
but it is water under the bridge now. McD is gone. Can’t look back and wonder “what if”…
I agree with you turnertwo! As for “yawn”, why even make such a comment? Whidbey, I “yawn” your “yawn” for being cliche.
by Auz on Dec 27, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish we'd have kept Shanny... Hillis... Why the HELL did we draft Tommy Maddox? whatever.... It's history. I'm freaking TIRED of hearing it.
So I shortened it to ‘Yawn’ ok?
I’m pretty sure you got that though.
So why’d you make this asinine comment went you knew damn well what I meant?
It was BECAUSE you knew what I meant, disagreed and went off topic to make it personal.
Lame.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:01 PM MST up reply actions
You are not alone. :)
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Studesville
Don’t know how everyone else feels, but I am really starting to like Eric Studesville. He is well liked, acts respectful even to the press unlike McD, and he has some fire & passion about him. Hey, if the players will play their hearts out for him that’s all we really need. Just hire some strong coordinators and try to keep Ben McDaniels here to continue Tebow"s progress. I am sure Bowlen has a better idea of how good of a job he is doing than I do. We really need the DC to call the defense, the OC to call the offense, & the Head Coach manage the game. As far as Singletary, I wouldn’t have him just for the way he treated his players on the sideline yesterday. No place for that crap on my team.
Absolutely not - the prior two games were awful for reasons that fall on the coaching staff
I don’t see anyone on the current staff working on the 2011 Broncos, unless they need someone to launder towels.
Previous two games
Not really fair… 1st was a game with just a day or two to prepare – McD got fired very suddenly, remember?
Week 2 was the first start EVER for a rookie QB, and we still had a shot to win going into Q4.
So yeah, I’m fine with a mulligan for both of those games.
When I saw Pat Bowlen give him the game ball I came to realize Studesville will not be here in January.
Call it a hunch, but I saw it as Bowlen saying I appreciate what you have done and I am sorry, but I will be going a different direction in 10 days.
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I think I saw him slip a benjamin in his jacket too ;-) seeya!
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
would you be against him being retained as RB coach (if he would accept the job)?
"Who says Tim Tebow can't throw the ball...? Whoever said that, they didn't know what they were talking about."
-Gus Johnson
that kind of thing almost never happens....not in the NFL anyway. Too many EGOS involved
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but yes, i would object..our run game sucks ass. lol
get rid of everyone…fresh start time.
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by Tim Lynch on Dec 27, 2010 7:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed. Good read on that. Class move by Bowlen really.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
Not opposed to Singletary
Not getting a good feeling on Kubes..just me.
Order of the Broncos in my perfect world.
Bowlen (via Hawaii)
Elway (via Dove Valley)
Casserly (GM)
Dungy (HC)
J McDaniels (OC)
Singletary (DC)
Never happen but I’d settle for at least Elway and Dungy
DUNGY DUNGY DUNGY!!!!
That would be the best hire!!! Him and Tebow can have bible study after the games.
Bible Study
That’s hilarious. I really don’t know if Dungy will EVER coach again. Time will tell.
No To
Casserly-He was never an impressive GM
Dungy- Very overrated and I hate the Tampa 2
McDaniels- No way he comes back to Denver
Singletary- He is not Qualified. He has never been a DC. He was the LB coach before becoming the HC in SF
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Not really
The Tampa 2 is not really a good system in todays NFL IMO
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
Dungy overrated I don't thinks so!!!
Tampa was nothing before he turned that franchise around and peyton manning would have not got the chapionship without him!
Dungy built Super Bowl team
Dungy builit the team that Gruden won the Super Bowl with. So really he almost was 1st HC to get a superbowl ring from 2 teams.
Its the other way around
Dungy would have have not won a SB without Peyton
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
One key thing - hire a GM first
Xander ain’t the guy, but if he wants to stay and learn, fine. The Broncos have had plenty of OJT the past two years and it’s time to be done with it. Hire someone who can evaluate talent and draft rationally, then approach the head coach issue.
Give Elway a chance as our GM
Elway – GM
Dungy – HC
Marvin Lewis – DC
Kubiak – OC
GO BRONCOS!!!
Elway will be VP of Football Operations....
Which is best suited for him.
He will be the guy in charge of the football side, but not the GM who runs the player stuff.
Sounds like Xanders will stay on in that roll.
Hard to evaluate Xanders as it sounds like Josh pulled all the strings the last two years anyhow.
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
But if Xanders was letting McD pull the strings, what does that say about him having the stones to be GM?
A wet-behind-the-ears coach comes up with an impulsive personnel idea and the GM pulls the trigger on it. Now the same guy is supposed to be the independent talent evaluator and the one who has to say “no” to the new coach? No, thanks.
Unless he was told to let him....
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
Yup...
I don’t think the org chart had Xanders above McD…..
by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 10:07 PM MST up reply actions
It's beginning to look like we'll have a two headed GM beast.
Elway and Xanders…Elway putting in the 9-5 shift and Xanders putting in the 6am-10pm shift. It might work…I’d rather have had Elway and Ellis as equals, so we’ll call this one a foul ball rather than a complete strike one.
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let's hope 7 is the mouthpiece too
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Seems to be a large number of "big time" retreads in TV land....
Are these guys we would want?
Gruden, Cowher, Dungy, etc….?
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 2:56 PM MST reply actions
True
But would you want to take a chance again with a coordinator or college coach or go with someone who is proven, i’m not a big fan of college coaches coming to the nfl and coaching nor do i want another mcdaniels, a young coordinator who thinks they know everything.
Not big on college guys either.....
The best bet seems to be either the seasoned DC or OC (like a Spagnolo, Frazier, etc…) or a young HC type (Haley, etc….).
I would avoid the following:
Any college guy (see Petrino, Spurrier, Saban), young untested OC/DC (see McDaniels, etc..), or an old HC with baggage (see Gailey, Kubiak, Shannahan, Turner).
Off course, this is proving the negative.
Who then?
1. GM – (Xanders will be the guy) but else, a young hot candidate a la de Costa.
2. HC – Maybe a Mularkey or another seasoned OC/DC who may be on their second shot at HC.
3. OC – Not Kubiak.
4. DC – Phillips if he’d come here
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed...
I don’t think we want guys who’ve been out of the job that long; particularly if they’ve been in the nice cozy studio for the entire time. Absolutely, positively do NOT want Urb Meyer. That has “Steve Spurrier disaster” written all over it. I would much rather have a Harbaugh who runs a pro-style offense rather than a gimmick, glorified running back scheme.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Dec 27, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Harbaugh is the only college guy who deserves a sniff...
But I’d still be prodding that with a 10’ pole.
He better be on point or we better not hire him.
I’d be much happier to have him on after a OC stint somewhere.
The college thing has just gone wrong so many times.
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
You have to look at the college HC who failed and succeeded...look at their staff around them.
Just sayin…
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Cant think of a college HC in recent memory who succeeded in the NFL
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 9:05 PM MST up reply actions
How about Herm?
That thought has crossed my mind more than a few times recently.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
A third time retread? Ask the fellas over at the AP.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
I'm all for having a strong supporting cast.
I am just not sure about Singletary. It seems to me that he coaches on passion and emotion. Well, we just got rid of one of those guys except the one we got rid of was far better with the x’s and o’s. There were times Singletary looked completely out of his element. I think I am ok with Kubiak as OC, though.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
Singletary would
garner instant respect from the defensive players. I don’t want him as HC at all but his passion and fire as the DC would be a breath of fresh air. I think the MOST important position is the GM first. No clue who that should be but I fear keeping Xanders. Next is the HC then an outstanding QB coach.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Dec 27, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
Has anyone seen Singletary with SF?
The dude is straight up, certifiably unhinged.
I don’t think we need a crazy dude in this organization. He maybe fun to watch, but in that train wreck on youtube way.
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
Yep exactly.
I just don’t think he’s the guy I want for the DC. I don’t know who that person is, either.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
I live in Sacramento...seen him alot.
He is for real men…not the mefirst players they have lined up in SF. The fans there are worthless too. I’d take Singletary and his demand for perfection any day of teh week…just not as a HC. He was an outstanding DC before Nolan got fired.
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Fair enough, and I know you have a keen eye for observation,
so if he’s good enough for you then I’m on board. I just hope that whomever we get puts some fire back in the defense.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
To be fair....I'm not sure Broncos fans are tough enough for him. lol
Cause he is old school…
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Old School Crazy.....
Which is defined as insane asylum crazy.
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
Actually Singletary was the LB coach not the DC for the 49ers.... and their D was pretty damn bad.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:07 PM MST up reply actions
Man..
I wish we had our very own Patrick Willis.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
Amen
If there is an ILB of that caliber in the draft – TAKE HIM.
Even though I like our LBs – maybe DJ is the problem? He hasn’t been as elite on the inside as one would have expected.
Hagan has been terrific. Same with Ayers. Doom will be back. Maybe rotate those 3 at OLB (wow, that could be terrific!) and put a really good D leader in next to DJ.
Would fix a lot of problems if we had that LB. Then put a playmaker Safety in back – but I’d guess we can’t find both of those this year. Make that our 2-year plan? Then, use later picks on Dline depth, a 2nd rounder on a TE (they rarely go in the 1st anyway), add some size to our oline with a 3rd/4th round G/T… maybe a late pick as a backup RB? The only spot of urgent need left would be Corner… which probably is our biggest need I’ll admit… OK, maybe pick that instead of a safety?
PS – Syd’quan is the BOMB. My take on him is that he is a game-changer, but lacks discipline as a young player which leaves him out of position sometimes. He and Cox are a pretty good yound tandem – remind me of a flashier Darrent and Foxworth. Syd’s also a pretty darn good return man – he’d rival Royal as the best on the team I’d bet.
agreed with everything except
Ayers is average at best.
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
coaches
With all the young talent we’ll need good coaches. I just hope the team is patient this time and figures out exactly what kind of offense and defense it wants to build.
I'm
just impressed with what Tebow has shown. He’ll continue to improve, let’s just get a solid GM and go from there. GO BRONCOS!!!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 27, 2010 3:25 PM MST reply actions
If we are talking defense and cordinators
Ok don’t laugh or bust my chops to much but what about The CLEVELAND BROWNS defensive coordinator Ryan . Rex Ryans brother. He has done a great job getting that defense turned around. Hey didn’t they beat New England? Just a thought. Then bring in offensive coach and a new defensive guy.
by MiamiMike1 on Dec 27, 2010 3:37 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Didn't the guy we fired also beat New England?
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
If we are talking defense and cordinators
Ok don’t laugh or bust my chops to much but what about The CLEVELAND BROWNS defensive coordinator Ryan . Rex Ryans brother. He has done a great job getting that defense turned around. Hey didn’t they beat New England? Just a thought. Then bring in offensive coach and a new defensive guy.
by MiamiMike1 on Dec 27, 2010 3:37 PM MST via mobile reply actions
If I were to have my way with the front office I would go
GM – Decosta
HC – Harbaugh
OC – Still open to the possibilities
DC – Nolan
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by BroncoFaithful on Dec 27, 2010 10:56 PM MST up reply actions
I was wrong about Tebow
He has thrown the ball much better than i thought he could
by betterdaysahead on Dec 27, 2010 4:35 PM MST reply actions
I will say this about Tebow...
watching some of the highlights. Dude has the worst footwork of any starting QB I’ve ever seen. I used to bitch about Cutler throwing off his back foot…but damn, Tebow throws of his back foot, his side foot, airborne, you name it….it sort of scares me and not in a good way….
I just hope he continued to improve from his rawness rather than get stuck in a rut because he wants to win now.
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an entire off-season as the #1 guy would certainly help
"Who says Tim Tebow can't throw the ball...? Whoever said that, they didn't know what they were talking about."
-Gus Johnson
I hope so!
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But, if he's successful
do his mechanics really matter?
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Dec 27, 2010 9:10 PM MST up reply actions
I think it does at the pro level unfortunately....
And I think the limitation is the kind of offense you can run….
And if your offense is limited, pro teams will tear you up because of the ability to prepare and exploit weaknesses.
One example I saw was when Tebow was scrambling…the ball was always out, unprotected and at waist level. Cant do that. Fumble waiting to happen.
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 9:18 PM MST up reply actions
This is complete BS
Saying Tebow Mechanics will limit the kind of offense he can run is complete BS. If he can get the ball from point A to Point B with good Zip and Good accuracy he can run any offense. Guess what, Tebow can do that. His Mechanics will get better the more he plays. His Throwing motions is already much better then it was at the Senior Bowl last year. This is a really bad argument on your part
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 27, 2010 10:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think its actually a reasonable point....
Now he did make some good throws on Sunday….had a few bad ones too.
I agree his mechanics have improved. I was looking at the highlight reel and noticed that on some throws the windup had shortened a good amount.
But regardless, issues remain. So its actually not a bad argument. You see, I am a skeptic who wants him to succeed. Not a kool aid drinker, so my comments will come across as being a wet blanket.
Here’s what I am still looking for: quick release with consistent accuracy, not throwing off the back foot, keeping the ball in good position, good completion percentage on non-screen pass plays.
Like I said, I would like nothing more than to have him be the guy. It would be the best thing that could happen for the Broncos.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 27, 2010 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
His passes do seem to float
and stay in the air for some time. I wonder if he did it on purpose with that pass to Gaffney. It totally looked like a super long finesse throw, if there is such a thing. He can zip it, too. I don’t think he has the arm of say, Cutler, but he did seem to get the job done when it counted. You raise some very valid points, though. I don’t think you are being a wet blanket at all. I will say that with an improved ground game and defense that I honestly believe the sky is the limit right now, and i hope we continue our upward trend by beating the crap out of San Diego, or we can just win by a point again, either way.
It's better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
but this kid WORKS on everything.... he will.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 27, 2010 10:08 PM MST up reply actions
Great stuff, Tim, rec'd
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What we need on front 7 is depth
Our starters on Dline and at LB are quite good. Hagan, DJ, Ayers, Doom – I’ll take that core. Mays is a good backup, Hunter seems ok too – though I think their pass coverage as a unit is pretty poor. Don’t know that for sure – but it seems true since we have so much trouble covering TEs.
Dline – Jamal played well this week. He usually seems good – when healthy. Vickerson and Bannan are playing well as well. But Dline is about rotation – and behind those 3 we have been very very poor. That’s what I’ve noticed. The noticably poor play has come when we add Dline or cycle out the starters. So, some good depth would help a whole lot. Along with better pass coverage from our LBs – how are they so bad? Is it safety play? They are all still fairly fast, right? I’m used to having the fastest LBs in the league playing for Denver – has that changed in the last couple years since Shanny left?
Problem is that our starters would be depth elsewhere
except for Doom and maybe Jamal
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Poor play against running games may be part of the problem with the LBs
When a team is giving up nearly 5 yards a carry like the Broncos are, the LBs have to commit to the run. When their first move is towards the line of scrimmage and they have to bite on play fakes, pass coverage will suffer.
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