Josh McDaniels Relieved of Head Coaching Duties
by Troy Hufford on Dec 6, 2010 4:19 PM MST
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Just two years after being hired as the head coach of the Denver Broncos, the Josh McDaniels era has just come to an end. The Denver Broncos twitter account has just tweeted the following:
Broncos Owner Pat Bowlen has relieved Josh McDaniels of his head coaching duties. Details to follow on DenverBroncos.com. #fb
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Josh McDaniels has been the talk of the town ever since jumping on board in January of 2009. Certainly the city of Denver has been shaken to the bone ever since Mike Shanahan was fired after the abysmal 2008 season, but with McDaniels' risky personnel moves, his leash was beginning to get shorter and shorter.
After trading Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Peyton Hillis and Tony Scheffler while using essentially a first round pick to draft Alphonso Smith, Josh McDaniels was putting his neck on the line. This news may come as no surprise to many but the timing of this coaching change leaves a lot of questions.
Who is going to be the interim coach the rest of the season? What is going to be done about Brian Xanders in the personnel department? Will he get help or will he also be on the chopping block? Since McDaniels was a huge advocate of Kyle Orton and Champ Bailey, does their fates as Denver Broncos, as well?
There are many questions and few answers, but the one thing we know for sure is that Josh McDaniels is no longer a head coach for the Denver Broncos. As we find out more, rest assured that Mile High Report will keep you updated.
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Just because you're a good player doesn't mean you're a good coach. Ask the 49ers
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
Elway is just a normal man though either, hes an entity onto himself, he is who he is.
"To all the critiques, thank you for the motivation… because it has been an edge for me and will continue to be an edge for me" - Tim 'the Mile High Messiah' Tebow
by David G. Little on Dec 6, 2010 5:05 PM MST up reply actions
thats supposed to read elway isnt just a normal man.
"To all the critiques, thank you for the motivation… because it has been an edge for me and will continue to be an edge for me" - Tim 'the Mile High Messiah' Tebow
by David G. Little on Dec 6, 2010 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
uh, neither was singletary to bears fans. I get Elway is divinity incarnate but I seriously hope people are joking when they say he'll fix the Broncos if we hire him as GM.
He has ZERO experience scouting, negotiating, and doing all the things a GM should have experience doing before you hire him. He was a legendary player yes but as far as I know he has coached high school since his playing days and hasn’t worked for an NFL front office at all. Why would he be qualified as a GM or an NFL coach again?
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 9:51 PM MST up reply actions
That's a great question
Wink, anybody? OMG
by John in Castle Rock on Dec 6, 2010 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
Mr. B has a plan...trust
He is not making a rash decision….I guarantee it
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
Not Rash?
Like firing Shannahan wasn’t rash? I thought Bowlen was patient… now I’m starting to doubt him.
And I NEVER liked McD – I just came to realize that in our current situation, his plan seemed the best way forward. Now, I see nothing on the horizon for Denver. Will the new coach develop Tebow? All I wanted was Wade as the DC – not a new coach already!
Agreed, too
Bowlen is coming across as a bit schizophrenic lately.
by buckeyebronco on Dec 6, 2010 7:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
He said he would evaluate him over the next 5 games and make a decision once we where officially out of the playoff race. We are officially out and I think it is smart to get a head start if you are going to change.
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
Not exactly.
From Gary Miller via Twitter: “Bowlen amending earlier statement. He now says, with 5 games left, he’ll monitor teams progress and decide what’s best at end of season.”
Same...
Also just quit writing a paper. Bad timing Bowlen, College bronco fans everywhere will do worse on finals this week haha
I've
been out of college for five years, good luck Wyo.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
I think I might be going back to College after the last 2 years
It shows I don’t know a damn thing about football or anything else for that matter
LOl.... studants and teachers in the same boat. I need to write my final exam tonight! LMAO.
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Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
I don't LOVE the timing
but if you KNOW he isn’t coming back next year, might as well move on now.
Makes you wonder if Bowlen said “Play Tebow” and McD said he wasn’t ready and then AX.
Very very interesting.
agree
mcd stays stubborn to the end, insisting on playing orton despite the fact that bowlen specifically mentioned home crowd attendance as a factor in his decision making. this feels like the conversation in which shanahan said he’s sticking with slowik as DC.
by ssc on Dec 6, 2010 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
if its wade phillips ill be pissed
3-13! TILL WE PROVE WE AINT!!!!!!
by Pmoreno95 on Dec 6, 2010 4:21 PM MST reply actions 4 recs
what about if it is wade with the caveat that he is coming in to be the d coordinator next year...just holding the seat warm?
"They are who we thought they were!"
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For Shanahan?
Trying to bring back the good ol’ days?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
That'd be great
He’s not available yet though. Washington would have to get a lot worse for him to be let out of town.
Maybe we could get Kubiak – I’d jump on that wagon :)
No...wasn't talking about shanny...
was thinking that a new D coordinator is gonna be a necessity anyway and Wade has solid exp with 3-4. I was thinking he would keep the seat warm for WHOEVER was hired as next HC.
And yes…would love for a return to the good ol’ days…with WHOEVER was our next HC. Personally, I wouldn’t mind Kubiak, but I also wouldn’t mind a guy like Harbaugh or Leslie Frazier. In fact, if Shanny were fired in Washington, and he indicated a willingness to come back to the Broncos, I would say absolutely not. That ship has sailed…I loved what he did for the Broncos but no return to the Shanny days. Kubiak on the other hand is his own guy and I think would be fine.
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by David G. Little on Dec 6, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
incredible
can’t believe it. didn’t see it coming.
Hate to say it
But I wonder if it means there was more to spygate II? I really didn’t see this coming. And I’m actually sort of sad for McD. He was clearly in over his head, but other changes could have helped.
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I wonder about that too
we don’t know all the deets but maybe that was what really tore it for Bowlen? We may not hear that but have to wonder.
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I don't think it has anything to do with it.
Hopefully it gives us a loop hole to NOT pay him for the next 2 years
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
agree with everything, bob.
i’ve been a “trying really hard to be a fan” of mcD but never could convince myself. right now though, i just feel bad for the guy. i do think he’ll learn from this and have success elsewhere.
p.s. note to new hires: do NOT embarrass the big man. he doesn’t like it.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
I am probably in the minority about this but
I feel really sad about this, and more than the team just feel sad for him.
I will say this, that whatever anyone thinks, whoever the next coach is, I hope people will… what is a gentle way of saying “STFU”? Um… I hope people will lay off whoever the next coach is for 2 years. One more good draft and this team was going to be in good shape.
At least now maybe fans will chill out.
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by underdog on Dec 6, 2010 4:23 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I'm with you.
Now what? Is my question.
Who’s the next coach? Who coaches out the year? I sense some directionless losing coming…
Buffs: 5-7.
Ducks: 12-0!
Hawks: 7-5 >:(
As long as the next coach doesn't run Cutler out in the first 3 months
He should at least have the fan support for a bit.
Not many people thought that before then
Hindsight…
Lovie Smith and Mike Martz thank you for your input...
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by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 6, 2010 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
I'm with you
I think it’s a mistake to fire McD. I still believe he had the stuff to be a great HC
I just hope we don't see another Belichick situation
(not that I don’t wish him well) But how will Broncos fans feel seeing him becoming a SB coach for some other team after the first one got impatient?
I really do think this had more to do with the negative PR than the losses this year.
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he probably WILL have the stuff
when he gets a little time to step away and realize his mistakes and get a fresh start somewhere else. he has passion and smarts. just needs a little humility, better people skills, and a strong GM to act as a check/balance.
by ssc on Dec 6, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
Two lost years now.
I hope all the negative fans are happy now. Unfortunately the bitching and whining will continue with the next coach who wants to do it his way.
by prototype on Dec 6, 2010 4:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't say it's because all the fans whined.
Bowlen certainly ignored the fans about Shanahan for years
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I think the empty seats spoke much louder than the negative fan opinion.
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
He made some really dumb moves...Don't blame the FANS please
We call it how we see it. I’m sure everyone wanted it to turn out for the best
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
I'm with you man
I know people had disputes over his coaching ability, but I thought he was an awesome dude. I’m sad to see this
A move that sets us back and doesn't move us forward.
Rebuilding a team now starts all over again and condemns us to mediocrity for at least 2 more years. McD is likely to win a Super Bowl as a head coach in the future.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
wtf
a season and a half? i think this one can be chalked up to fickle, grumpy fans getting their way
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by ZTC_87 on Dec 6, 2010 4:23 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I dunno
I really want to trust Bowlen more than this – and find out there was more that went into it that we don’t know.
Maybe there’s a timing issue with a GM or coach. I can’t believe they’d name Wink an interim coach though.
Serious question, not trolling. What has Bowlen done lately to deserve our trust? I seriously question his judgment at this point, and have ever since he fired Shanahan.
No soup for you!
I dont blame him for firing Shanahan
needed to get a new start, unfortunately the candidate we got was not good enough to make that fresh start a good one
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
quite true, creamy
I see the decision as ‘caving in’ to the hater element. Aspects of the problem (i.e.,damaged reputation, poor PR, etc.) were irreversible and thus unsolvable but building a team is not necessarily a feel good process. There’s a certain amount of pain that goes into the process and a coaching carousel doesn’t address the real problem. Pretending that we had the personnel in place after Shanahan left is ‘rebuilding denial.’ I’ve heard the talking heads (who should know better but don’t) talk about how trading Cutler and Marshall doomed McDaniels but that just shows how clueless much of the MSM is. Bowlen catered to that element, which shows that he knows which way the wind blows but doesn’t know how to build a team.
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im going to miss mcd
if he ends up being a good coach for another team i dont wanna hear anyone crying!
3-13! TILL WE PROVE WE AINT!!!!!!
McD turning out to be a good coach somewhere else...
…wouldn’t make him any less of a terrible coach for the Broncos during his time here.
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by CraftyB on Dec 6, 2010 4:26 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
True
But it also means we didnt give him enough time perhaps
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe he'll go o a team and trade some of your talent back.
by EVT on Dec 6, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
I have the sneaking suspiscion that if McD goes to another team in our division, we may not win it for a LONG time.
by bailey disciple on Dec 6, 2010 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
I would hate to see McDaniels coaching another AFC West team. Luckily, none on them are looking are they?
Yaaaaay!
See, those of us that questioned his decisions WEREN’T just trolls! Unless Bowlen is a troll too, I suppose! :)
This is the right move. McD has made bad choice after bad choice as a GM. I actually think he’s a decent football coach, but McD the GM had to go.
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WOW!!!!
This is one of the least likely outcomes I could have come up with. I seriously thought there was no way it would happen before season end if at all.
I don't see how the two are related
Whether or not we re-sign Champ has nothing to do with Mcdaniels, really.
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next question....what happens to xanders? does he choose next coach?
or is he gone?
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With any luck, he will be...
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by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 6, 2010 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
Should be
He is just as responsible for the bad personnel moves as McD
If you want to blame McD, also blame the guy who drafted and traded some of the guys too.
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
seriously, I have 2 exams tomorrow...
You can take the man out of Colorado, but you can't take Colorado out of the man.
by manbearpig5000000 on Dec 6, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
I'm interested how McDaniels will be viewed by most here at MHR next year
Will he become a villain like Shanahan became a villain a year after he was fired? Or will MHR turn against the new coach since he replaced their idol? It should be very interesting.
I think his legacy will be In Over His Head
People will always remember him as the guy who just wasn’t ready.
yeah
actually I’ll see him as Wasn’t Given A Shot.
I think he wasn’t given the right situation to succeed. Every other young coach had an elder on staff, whether coordinator or GM, to lean on and that had his back. There was just too much ageism going on. I think he didn’t have enough of a shot to lead.
by tunesmith on Dec 6, 2010 4:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
please
he put his own staff together.
He made his own bed..
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
Look man
You saw him turn an 8-8 team that was one game from the playoffs despite in injury ridden season into the hot mess that we have now. We’ve also seen him make tons of questionable gameday decisions. This shouldn’t be shocking.
sure
plenty of flaws – all I’m saying is that after hearing about how all these coaches on the staff have been leaking things about him and making him into be Ivan The Terrible, he was just being undermined a lot. He was given too much power, did his best, but it wasn’t the right move on Bowlen’s part. I still think McD could be an excellent head coach if he had a strong GM for a while, though.
I sort of agree
I agree that he very well might be a successful coach at some point. He just made too many mistakes here… If he learns from him, he’ll be fine.
That's the thing
I think McDaniels is a stubborn SOB, I don’t think he is capable of learning from mistakes.
Very fair opinion
I still think he’ll be successful in this league, but I don’t blame someone who disagrees. His biggest selling point is that I think he might be the best passing mind in all of football, which is a big deal in a now pass-happy league.
He also came in
and started tearing into the franchise. When your first move is to come in and try to trade a young pro bowl quarterback for a crappy quarterback because you coached the latter, you better know what you’re doing. The guy was cocky as hell and had no interest in compromise or learning from others. Maybe he’s learned something and will do well with a second shot, but he had to leave here. If anything, we should be charging him for vandalism for what he’s done to the franchise, not bemoaning his unfair demise.
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by airforcefoo on Dec 6, 2010 4:46 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
And that’s why he’s no longer employed
Couldn't have said it better myself, sir...
When a guy comes in with no head coaching experience whatsoever, and within one year runs off your Pro Bowl QB and your Pro Bowl WR — and still has people calling him “the best passing mind in pro football” — there are problems.
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by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 6, 2010 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
Marshall won't be a Probowler this year
And Cutler was traded as per Bowlen’s decision
I think it was Perrish Cox. Don’t quote me on it. - Sayre Bedinger
Bowlen did not set that trade in motion
Lets not revise history now. McDaniels set that whole train wreck in motion. Eventually Bowlen was forced to decide between his young, stubborn, inexperienced QB, and his young, stubborn, inexperienced coach. He sided with the coach.
"villain?"
That’s a straw man. Shanahan is a very good game coach and a bad GM. I don’t recall a single post here at MHR characterizing Shanahan as anything close to a villain.
What you saw during Shanahan’s tenure was an unrealistic optimism that was the product of his having coached a SB winner. Attitudes were artificially boosted in football terms (I’m not speaking of his personal charm, since he’s quite likable) and adjusted after he left, when fans came to terms with state of the franchise. Cognitive dissonance explains much of the post-Shanahan reaction. Fans were willing to criticize AFTER he left because it’s permitted and it helps ‘explains’ what’s already occurred. People always (to some degree) adopt attitudes that ‘explain’ what’s actually happened because it reassures them that the world is just (see System Justification Theory).
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Come now
I’m using the term “villain” loosely. If you haven’t seen how Shanahan is blamed for the current state of the Broncos here on MHR, then you haven’t been looking. My question is completely legitimate. Will McDaniels, who is idolized as the next Vince Lombardi here hat MHR (and before you get your undies all in a twitter, yes I’m using exaggeration, not making a straw man argument) be blamed if the team struggles in the future, just like Shanahan is blamed now?
I'm stunned.
I never thought Bowlen would make a knee-jerk reaction and not even give McD two years to try to turn things around.
I hope you McDaniels haters are happy now.
If the Denver Broncos weren’t a laughingstock organization before today, they are now.
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 4:27 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
for all we know...
this hasn’t been a knee jerk reaction. It could have been a long time coming. Are people gonna now label Bowlen a fair-weather fan too?
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Sorry, 2 years AIN'T enough time to turn around years of average crap and bad drafts Shanny made. Period.
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
I take that back - McD wasn't even given two damn years.
Shameful.
Broncos = Laughingstock
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
NFL is all about what have you done for me lately
Sadly, McD is a victim of how the NFL is today
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions
Bowlen shouldn't be crying then when he pays X amount of coaches then for the next few years.
Broncos = Laughingstock. It’s official now.
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
You’re the only one that is saying that now. Plenty of people were saying it last week and the week before that when they lost to the Chargers. Can you just admit that McD might have been part of the problem?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by KTJ on Dec 6, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
You keep saying we’re a laughingstock because we fired McD. You don’t think the way the team has played this season and last has anything to do with that?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by KTJ on Dec 6, 2010 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
A decade's worth of devastating draft decisions by Shanahan....
….contributed to that more than what McD did. Don’t kid yourself.
You McD haters are amazing. But you got your wish now. Apparently KneeJerk Bowlen is willing to pull the switch on any new coach 1.5 years into his job.
I fully expect this to happen again 1.5 years from now when the Broncos are 3-9, spoiled fans are screaming for blood. I’ll save the date.
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 4:57 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The Writting is on the wall!
Mr. B really had no choice. Mistake after mistake without ANY acknowledgment. Hillis was the axe and it is too bad because Hillis also could have saved McD’s job.
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
Really
Hillis could have saved his job. Moreno showed on Sunday that he is a much better RB then Hillis. So sick of hearing about Hillis
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
how exactly did Moreno show he is much better than Hillis?
to date…Hillis has been, by far, the better of the 2 RB’s. Hillis is averaging 116 yards from scrimmage and has 13 TD’s this year. Moreno has averaged 105 yds from scrimmage with 7 TD’s. Moreno has looked decent in the last few weeks, but to say that a guy who can’t even bust a run longer than 24 yards is much better than Hillis…come on man. But now we have Moreno…and he needs to produce more than he has. Or he will become the change of pace back and another RB will take his place.
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Gawd you sound like a hater.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
It is true though
You cannot expect a team/players to continually learn new schemes and be successful utilizing them right away. Teams needs stability, no matter who the coach is. Terry Bradshaw (QB, not coach I know) sat on the bench for I think 5 yrs before he was ready. Another player example, Aaron Rodgers. If one player can take that long to perfect a system, how long could it take a whole team? You have to give a guy time.
But to clarify, I didn’t like McD from the beginning. He was SOOO SMUG.
If you follow Bowlen's own statements over the past week,
it makes it look like it WAS a knee-jerk reaction. One week ago today he said he would evaluate McDaniels over the final five games and make a decision at the end of the year. I think Bowlen loses some credibility over this.
I must be a hater
Because Im happy.
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
by johnnystarr on Dec 6, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
no reason too
I’m happy the team can move on. If that makes me a hater so be it.
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
Um, they were a laughingstock and have now taken a step to fix that problem. All of the McDaniels apologists are sickening. Am I wrong for wanting a better team?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by KTJ on Dec 6, 2010 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
Should of done it after the season, not now. Bad timing.
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with you on that, but it had to be done. Doesn’t make us look any worse.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by KTJ on Dec 6, 2010 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
Should 'HAVE,' not should 'OF.'
And, no, Mr. Bowllen should damn well not HAVE waited until the end of the season to do this. He should HAVE done it ten seconds after the Oakland debacle, if not sooner.
McDaniels was no one special; to see people treating him like the goose that lays the golden eggs, and predicting doom and gloom for the Broncos after letting him go, makes me want to puke.
To paraphrase the great hockey coach, Herb Brooks, the name on the helmet is more important than the name on the coach’s calling card. Josh McDaniels didn’t have clue one about what it means to be a Denver Bronco, or about the history and tradition of this franchise. His only advantage was winning a couple of Super Bowls as an assistant to a known rulebreaker.
What does it say for McDaniels that he learned everything he knows about being a head coach from Bill Belicheat?
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
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http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 6, 2010 6:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I
was loyal to McDaniels as he was our coach and he had some good qualities, but I am loyal to the Broncos, not one individual. I said the same thing when Cutler and Marshall were jettisoned
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
brad
u are 1 of my fav guys on here
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Thats my friend Brad...exactly...heart goes out to Josh...hes a good guy and very bright....at least we are all excited and maybe we can finally all come together as fans.
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It would be two years in four weeks
I think it’s safe to say that not a lot would have changed at that point.
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why yes, I am happy.
But I am a bit apprehensive about the timing. I’m guessing we will learn more in the next 24. Maybe there’s more to spygate, or open mutiny within the staff.
by Rainbow skyline on Dec 6, 2010 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
It's a good thing.
Have to get some different management in place now to prepare for the draft. I support this move. The remaining games are just pre-season games for next year now anyway. I think we will finally get to see Tebow.
Guys..welcome John Gruden to town...there was talkl on weekedn of him being interested...and he LOVES Tebow!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I hope not...
Gruden alienated his entire locker room before he was fired. He was given about 3 years too long due to the Super Bowl he won with some of Dungy’s team.
by Velveeta on Dec 6, 2010 4:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
Gruden’s also the guy that can’t ever decide on a QB- it’s a week to week thing with him.
No to the over-rated Gruden.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 6, 2010 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
I would love Gruden. i would also be stoked on Kubiak....OR....Marty as GM and bring in Brain Schottenheimer as HC!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Ugh.
He was tough and hard on players and has a ring.
On a team another coach built.
When he had control of the Bucs and their personnel moves, how many more rings did they win? None.
Please do not bring in Gruden
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
In fairness, though
Look at what happened to the Raiders after he left. He basically took Dungy’s Bucs team and beat his own Raiders team in the Superbowl, and that team went to straight into the shitter in the years that followed. I’m not saying he’s necessarily the man, I’m just trying to present the other side of the argument.
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Exactly. He won that super bowl on the team Dungy built.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
I'm just saying
that he also built the Raiders. So he has done more than just jump in and piggy back on somebody else’s hard work.
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Totally agree...abd the Glazers knee capped him in tampa because Manchester United was losing money....people seem to forget that...they tied his hands in FA!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
He built the Raiders
and where did they go from there with that personnel?
I think it was Perrish Cox. Don’t quote me on it. - Sayre Bedinger
To the Superbowl,
where he crushed them from the other sideline.
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ditto, airforcefoo
He basically took Dungy’s Bucs team and beat his own Raiders team in the Superbowl, and that team went to straight into the shitter in the years that followed.
A Gruden hire might move me to change teams. On the other hand, there’s a little logic to having a HC build a team that another takes over and coaches to greater heights. I think that much of what McDaniels accomplished will be apparent down the road, but it’s a little like a posthumous award.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
yuck
I used to be pro-Gruden but I’ve heard too much about him being a world-class icehole that alienates the team.
I sure hope not
he won a SB with a already built team and has not rebuild an organization.
by diehardbronco2 on Dec 6, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
Anyone but Gruden
Most overrated option out there. He got a ring on a team someone else put together (it was his first season). He then drove that team into the ground and retired before anyone picked up on it. I’d rather have McDaniels than Gruden.
Thats jsut total BS scooter...but whatever.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
And so it begins again.
Question is whether they ditch Xanders too. McDaniels was the final say but Xanders was as responsible for the team’s personnel decisions as anyone.
Turn out the lights....the party's over...
ok...guys...hate to say it...
I’m excited for the offseason again…and for who we are gonna get as HC and/or GM.
"They are who we thought they were!"
gcman on twitter
Dude...so am I ...and I really liked Josh...maybe this brings us all together...NOW START TEBOW FOR GODS SAKE!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
i cant believe they are NOW taking his side on nfln i will never understand them
3-13! TILL WE PROVE WE AINT!!!!!!
Because if you want to destroy the Denver Broncos....
first make the coach look bad so he gets fired. Then make the owner look bad so no good coaches wnat to be hired. It’s the precription right out of the raiders’ world domination handbook.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
so Al's plan is working. He was behind Enron, too, I bet... ; )
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
Totally shocked at the timing, but not really surprised about what happened.
Maybe they discovered something about Spygate 2 that we don’t know yet?
Anyways, lets go get someone with coaching experience. Contrary to popular belief, we actually have a lot of good pieces in place. With one good (key word) offseason, we’ll be back in contention.
+1
I’ll take Kubiak, as long as we get a MEAN defensive coach.
by oorange blood on Dec 6, 2010 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
If they dont make the playoffs
He might not be for long
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
I would LOVE Kubiak!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Makes so much snese!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Thank you
for pointing out the obvious that others seem to be missing based on sentimentality.
Quitter's People United: Member #19
Wow Scooter...you have said every coach brought up sucks...who is your choice...have you got one?
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
You're insane if you think Kubiak has 'sucked' in Houston...
…and I couldn’t help noticing that you failed to answer boydy2669’s question.
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 6, 2010 6:40 PM MST up reply actions
No. Why a retread? Kubiak has had PLENTY of time in Houston and has done nothing.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
fantastic and makes sense
either way, hope bowlen has learned enough to put in a powerful GM
by ssc on Dec 6, 2010 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
HO-LY SMOKES.
i really expected mcD to at least start out next season. WOW.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
I fricking hope not...another rookie in over his head???
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
lol...this is a rumor from Big Al.
Don’t freak out until it happens
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
Not freakink out BK...but would not that be repating the mistake....who will come to a team ran by a college coach of a non descript program?
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Not a rookie coach
And shame on all of you for not knowing who he is. He’s the best football coach in our state. I don’t think he would necessarily be interested in the Broncos, but he’s gotten a lot of buzz for returning to the NFL as a head coach. I personally hope he stays at Air Force. There are plenty of fish out there for the Broncos, but Calhoun is perfect at the Academy.
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I like Calhoun...but Air Force is a great story to follow in Colorado only. Not hagging on him, I just think he brings less"experience" than what McD had.....does not mean he wont work...just pointing it out!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
It's too bad people are ragging on Calhoun when they don't know anything about him.
He has a lot of NFL coaching experience (including with the Broncos). He came within 3 points (27-24) of upsetting Oklahoma and 5 points of upsetting Utah (28-23) this year.
I was not a McDaniels supporter per se
but I seriously did not see this coming until next year ….
Optimism Warrior
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Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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Gotta be Gruden or Cowher
Unless we bring in Parcells as GM and let him pick his guy.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, because Parcells did SO well running the show in Miami...
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 6, 2010 6:42 PM MST up reply actions
I cannot stand this move.
I get more and more upset about it with each passing second. This was the WRONG decision. Josh would have done well here if he had another chance. You cannot possibly do this after all of the injuries this team has gone through this season. We are going to be bottom dwellers for years to come now. Ridiculous.
by isaac303h on Dec 6, 2010 4:31 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
hold out for more details
i’m guessing something happened w/ Spygate 2
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
im bummed
I was a mcd fan. I just wanted him to turn it around to prove the nay sayers wrong. Looks like the offense will be set back even longer. Plus we may never see TT start. I’m sad about this most if it were true.
by prototype on Dec 6, 2010 4:31 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Our offense wouldn't have needed to retool in the first place
if McD hadn’t come in and torn our old one to the ground. I’m not sure if now was the right time for this move but McD dug his own grave.
yeeeaaaaah got $2.50 'bout to cop a 4loko.
Did you forget 2008?
We could move the ball… couldn’t score though
I think it was Perrish Cox. Don’t quote me on it. - Sayre Bedinger
I still wish
We had brought in a Parcells/Holmgren type, and given McD one season as JUST a coach.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Oh, that could be
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
WOW!!!
Talk about getting blindsided. Good luck to McD, believe he will haunt denver in years to come. I just hope we bring in a fiery defensive coach and keep the offensives system in tact. I guess our team gets to learn a whole new offense after i thought they were starting to role.
This is a good thing
He was completely over matched.
Punting with 4 minutes left in the game was his kiss of death.
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
If only a RB was averaging 7 ypc for us at the time....
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
That was bad coaching which happens all the time
Spygate II was embarrassing to the franchise and the fans
"That was bad coaching which happens all the time"...
…when Josh Mcdaniels is your coach.
Quitter's People United: Member #19
Maxbroncos had a good tweet:
This brings to mind a quote from Florida AD Jeremy Foley: “That which must be done eventually, must be done immediately.”
by jwkcsu on Dec 6, 2010 4:32 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Great quote. INteresting application.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
Urban Meyer?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm……
(Total speculation on my part, BTW)
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Option time!
Tim Tebow and KM all day!
Obviously i am kidding
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
Why not?
Couldn’t be much worse than yesterday.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
True
Who knows. Maybe we will make the option the biggest thing in the NFL
like the dolphins made the wildcat huge
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAH
Cam Newton would be thanking us!
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Geebus
Thre more years of rebuilding. Wonder whom Pat has already picked!!!!
by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Dec 6, 2010 4:32 PM MST reply actions
Only three years??
Huh……we’re looking at much more than that now. Guaranteed.
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
No rebuilding plan should ever be longer than three years in this league
No matter what you started with, more than three years as an uncompetitive, “rebuilding” team is failure. We can come back from this, it’s just too bad that we have to.
Quitter's People United: Member #19
guys
j-man for head coach
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
by j-man on Dec 6, 2010 4:33 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah J Man!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
This. I'd love to be your assistant, if you'd have me.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
KB
u will be assinaint head coach
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
by j-man on Dec 6, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
nice
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
lol
if you recall J-man, in one of your more recent fanpost, I proposed this idea!
Remember me when you make it big time!
i just hope the new coach doesnt want to rebuild his way
and start trading everyone
3-13! TILL WE PROVE WE AINT!!!!!!
What gets me
is that this comes just hours after McD said he wasn’t ready to start playing Tebow.
Like the move, hate the timing
Throws team into turmoil with 1/4 of the season left. Who’s the HC? Will Tebow play? SO many questions now.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 4:34 PM MST reply actions
Season was over
But this timing makes no sense. Just when o-line, Know were beginning to roll. Will we now be 3-4 or 4-3? What does this mean for Ayers, Doom, Vick, Williams, Bannan, etc.? Housecleaning on defense is coming. I hope we keep our O intact. Our youth is just now figuring out how to play in the NFL.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
We're not going to change our scheme with four weeks left
but the point is is that what we do the rest of the season is totally inconsequential to where we go in the future. Hopefully, we play as well as we can the next four games and win a couple, but as long as the writing is on the wall, why not make the move now and look forward.
Quitter's People United: Member #19
Dennison coming back???
any chance on my cousin coming back? I know he was the internal guy that was a candidate when they hire McD
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
no thanks
good guy but we obviously need someone that McD clearly wasn’t. Another offensive coordinator might not be it… although, I like the idea of Kubiak so I don’t make any sense.
heh
Dennison ran a good special teams when we won our first superbowl, he played on teh defensive side of the ball for 13 years, and knows offense.
He knows every aspect of the game. Not sure why you label him solely as a offensive coach.
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
Great pints 55.....Dennison is a good coach.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
And Rick Dennison understands what it means to wear the orange and blue in Denver...
I like it.
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 6, 2010 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
Too early. This should have been done after the season.
Timing sucks. The Broncos are such a mess and Joe Ellis has no idea what he is doing.
With a rookie cap limiting their salaries a pending certainty, having a Top 10 pick in the 2011 draft will hold more value than at any other time in the last decade. So that's cool.
what if they found out something about Spygate 2? That McD viewed tape?
That would constitute immediate firing in my opinion.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
I think this just increases the odds of players hating the broncos. Unless he was absolutely certain he was going to fire him at season’s end, anyway.
I think it’s pretty apparent that Ellis disagreed with Bowlen and Ellis won.
We’re in bad shape in the hands of this Joe Ellis person. Very bad hands.
With a rookie cap limiting their salaries a pending certainty, having a Top 10 pick in the 2011 draft will hold more value than at any other time in the last decade. So that's cool.
OK. This is what you wanted.
What will satisfy you, McGeorge? LOL. One guy down… now you find a new person to hate?
I’m seriously asking…. but I’m not trying to be confrontational.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
by HarvJNep2n on Dec 6, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not McG, but . . .
. . . for me a real GM is also required (and before any decision is made re a new coach.
by Elway's Ghost on Dec 6, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
I agree McG...he is NOT a football person!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Agreed Joe Ellis is a moron
He is a business man first and knows nothing about football.
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
Agree 100 percent
We need to move fast to find our new HC, before SF, Carolina, etc. get a chance.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
i'm with you there.
it’s strange timing to say the least. i think there should’ve been some off season “take a deep breath” time, but… wow.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
...and I hope Orton is the next one gone
Not too excited about Josh being fired, but I am now sick of Orton and his stats. I feel that is what Josh was trying to do, just pump up the stats for Orton… Atleast that is what it felt like with some of his comments lately.
Come On Folks
There HAS to be more to this than just W/L’s. There had to be something today to spark the change. If he was going to fire him because of the loss it would have been done last night before his press conference.
not big on this just because of tebow
the only thing that i think could be a good outcome is if we get gruden, who was very high on tim tebow before the draft, and would probably love to stick it to al davis again, but idk i’m very annoyed by this.
I have been worried sick that he would be left in charge of a third draft. I’m glad that isn’t an issue anymore. Now I just hope Denver gets a real GM, and then hires a coach.
i know the D really needed work but,
Say goodbye to one of the brightest young offensive minds in football.
Maybe say good bye to TT as well.
by prototype on Dec 6, 2010 4:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
A great offensive mind
doesn’t abandon the running game Sunday. Sorry, not buying it.
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+1
His offense put up worse numbers than Shanahan’s offense. Facts are facts.
your offensive stats would be better
with #7, #30, #84, #80, #87 too.
Most of Shanny’s career stats came with Elway, not after.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
we are so screwed now we will have a new coach implementing a new system that means new players, new assistant coaches, we will clean house loose a bunch of talent….and we have to still pay mike shanahan and now mcdaniel too head coaches who arent with us….dammit pat bowlen
If he fired him with cause will we have to pay him?
-Harvey J. Neptune
Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
video spying
charges have come up in the last week, 1.5 seasons is irrelevant
With the NFL releasing a statement saying they found no other reason to pursue?
1.5 seasons IS relevant. The NFL is not an organization to suddenly recant recently closed investigations.
I don't know
the details of the spying case and what the contract requires for firing with cause. I just mean that if there is a case to be made on the spying case, the 1.5 yrs is irrel.
Mr. Bowlen
is in command and I trust him. We’ll get the right coach. McDaniels, I had your back until the end, but you are not the coach anymore, so I’m indifferent toward you.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:37 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I’m effing with one of my friends on email that the replacement will be Wade. I am an evil person.
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: What's Luck Got to do with it?
cowherd
After hearing cowherd bash TT saying he wasn’t even in Cam Newtons league, I really want TT to play!
by prototype on Dec 6, 2010 4:38 PM MST via mobile reply actions
cowherd is a blowhard that has no idea what's going on with anything
he is so out of touch with reality.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
new head coach...
Dan Hawkins… he’s great with quarterbacks and he’s available!
by frontier on Dec 6, 2010 4:38 PM MST via mobile reply actions
uh huh.
… although, shanahan sucked with the raiders and came here and did pretty well. maybe a return to denver would work in a similar fashion for kubiak. i’m not real excited about the idea but i’d be on board if that’s what happens.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
I'd be okay with that
even tho he’s been disappointing in Houston.
Much prefer him to Jeff Fisher, who some Bronco fans I know want. Fisher, unlike McDaniels, really lost his team/players this year. At least the Broncos were still playing hard.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
New 13 Sports in Colorado Springs said
Calhoun is a definite candidate. I started a personal campaign for Calhoun during the game Sunday as a reply to someone’s post. My choices would be Calhoun as HC, Kubiak as OC, and Phillips as DC.
I could ALMOST buy into that...but Kubiak wont be back as an OC unless he gets fired...which could happen I guess.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
From day one did this not seem like a marriage that wasn't going to stick.
I still think Josh McD will be a good coach but it almost seemed destined that it wouldn’t be here.
Witnessed Playoffs last: April 28, 2008
Sincerely yours, Tortured T.O Fan
I'm gonna go put on my Broncos jersey...
bittersweet day for me…but I’m just pumped to move on now.
"They are who we thought they were!"
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Extemely Disappointed
I am dumbfounded! I told myself the other day that if McD gets fired next season I would think it to be the wrong move, and he gets fired before the season even ends! I am a McD fan, and although he has made a few mistakes in his tenure, I can’t think of a coach that could have done a better job changing the culture and starting a true rebuild. Our record does not reflect his coaching ability. Bowlen/Ellis’ impatience is frustrating and shows me that he is far more concerned with what fans think than what is actually going on. I know a lot of people will speculate that there is more to this then meets the eye, but I will not believe that until evidence is provided. In my opinion, this is a nearsighted mistake…. With that said, I will support the Broncos in whatever happens from here on. It will be a hard road, I just hope the good things that McD has instilled won’t be lost.
So much for writing my grad paper tonight!!
A lot of refreshing pages for the next 24 hours
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From Adam Schefter, Broncos costs for this
RT @AdamSchefter Broncos paying three head coaches in 2011 — Mike Shanahan, Josh McDaniels, and the new HC. McDaniels and new HC to be paid in 2012.
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meh
Shanny is a sunk cost. That really had no factor in the decision. Kinda sucks but it is what it is.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
maybe santa will be our new coach
or at least he can bring us one
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by BroncoJoe311 on Dec 6, 2010 4:40 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
lol, Rec'd.
Just awesome. I wonder if Santa can fist pump and rock Mile High Stadium….
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arright
caloun wouild work he makes AF good every year
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
with a triple option?
totally unqualified.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
i think he
was a broncos assint under shanny
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
He's coached in the NFL before
He adapted an offense for the Air Force that suited his players, unlike the coach we just fired who believed that his system was the be-all end-all, and forgot that players still have to run it. That said, I don’t think we’ll hire Calhoun. He talks like he wants to be the next Fisher and be an Air Force lifer. He’s a former cadet and feels a strong sense of pride and duty coaching there.
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Good lord guys, I thought you guys had a bad week last week. You got two to the IR AND the HC fired in one day.
I don’t wish that on any team. Wow, good luck to you guys in the future.
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by oldchiefsfan on Dec 6, 2010 4:41 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
thanks for the non trolling comment :-)
Yeah it sucks, but I think I speak for all Bronco fans regardless of what coach they like or don’t that some STABILITY would be nice. May we all get that soon.
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JIM HARBAUGH!
I would love it if we brought him in!
by Vandylaxn21 on Dec 6, 2010 4:41 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
kinda
I would too but I hope its a DC.
Harbaugh needs to coach Michigan :)
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
Making up a rumor----
but word is he was close to signing an extension at Stanford, maybe we had to make a move?
Yes
Love the Harbaughs. Now, if we could only find a way to get up to drafting Andrew Luck.
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I would be a fan of this too! Anyone that can teach NERDS to play football will even make our team great!
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Tons of rumor going around..
about AFA Head Coach Troy Calhoun as possible replacement…
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Has Calhoun
had any NFL experience before?
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
all from Alfred Williams
who supposedly knew it w/in 2 minutes of it happening. He could be interim coach though.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
Alfred has wanted McD out since he was hired
And he seems to have a love affair with Calhoun. Not sure why, but if you want to hear him get all excited about an “Underrated coach” ask about Calhoun.
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What?!?!?!?
How would that make ANY sense???
by Elway's Ghost on Dec 6, 2010 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
That would be a joke
A travesty of a sham.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 6, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
Then everyone will be wishing for McD back.
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
I mean, you go from one “too inexperienced” guy to another just like the guy you just fired?
Yeah, that would make tons of sense. Hope it’s just another rumor with no truth to it.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 6, 2010 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
And?
That means… what? Nothing in my mind. He’s different, so that implies he’ll be better? BS.
Did you have a point, other than to get your boy’s back?
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 8, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Some background on Calhoun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Calhoun
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IDK guys
Im shocked I really am Josh had the pass game in a stangle hold with crappy QB Orton now we go to a mediocre pass game with some new guy and crappy Orton I hope we get a defensively minded guy
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well
you draft a 1st round QB and refuse to play him. Doesnt look the greatest when you traded 3 picks to move up and get him.
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
As long as it is someone who actually specializes in DEFENSE
I dont care who it is
And…you know…they have to be somewhat good as a head coach too
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 4:42 PM MST reply actions
id rather have
McD than gruden as a HC. Gruden never built any teams from the ground up. He room the talent that the team already had and won because he was the current HC. Cowher would be ideal.
by broncs27 on Dec 6, 2010 4:43 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Well that was my only excuse for not wanting gruden. Thanks.(sarcasm)
by broncs27 on Dec 6, 2010 5:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, I am SHOCKED
I didn’ think McD would be back next year, but to fire him in mid-season is really saying something. I like a lot of Broncos fans always wanted MCD to succeed, but I just could never come to the belief that he was the right guy. Still, thanks McD for getting rid of Cutler and Marshall!
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I'm sick about this
Hiring a new coach who blows up the roster, then firing him before he has a chance to finish. This is something I expect out of the Browns or Raiders or Redskins. I hope I’m wrong but I’ve lost confidence in Bowlen.
It's funny...I think a lot of the fanbase has regained their confidence in Bowlen
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I'm hearing Calhoun
But I want Harbaugh
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Just hope the Calhoun rumors are bogus
Because that’d be beyond stupid. You don’t hire a guy with no NFL head coaching experience to fire him to replace him with a college guy.
Brandon Lloyd
says he just found on Twitter. That blows. There HAS to be a reason for why he was fired today. Had to have a meeting with Bowlen and said/done something to push up the time table.
I think, and it is only my opinion...
That he was told to start Tebow and refused. He specifically said he would not ‘speed up the time table’ on Tebow. With 4 games left that was a mistake.
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by John Bena on Dec 6, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
We found out Shanny went because of his refusal to change DCoor
If there is a good explanation, we will hear it.
I guess if the new coach starts tebow
we’ll know for sure
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If so,
one of about 1,000 he made in 18 months.
Frankly I’m tired of our team providing McD’s on the job training.
by Elway's Ghost on Dec 6, 2010 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
That is as reasonable as anything I’ve heard. Tebow will fill seats.
That Troy Calhon stuff is terrifying. Guess we can run the wishbone with Tebow and set football back 45 years.
With a rookie cap limiting their salaries a pending certainty, having a Top 10 pick in the 2011 draft will hold more value than at any other time in the last decade. So that's cool.
by McGeorge on Dec 6, 2010 4:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I would be interested to see what Calhon could do with players that don't have to fit in a cockpit
but not enough to hire him.
You don't think it was also the bad PR embarassment from the videotaping incident?
Just conjecture there though. Anyway I agree that had to have been part of it.
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Well a lot of good it did him now that he is out of a job and can't help Tebow progress at all.
Should have bitten the bullet and just started him, filled the stands and hoped Tebow could learn on the job. Maybe he’ll trade 1 first round picks to our new coach for him with his new team.
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
Thats my thinking too Guru....just like Shanny did with Slowik!
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Here's hoping . . .
. . . that X-Man is also shown the door (or at least demoted) and we get a top rate GM with a long term plan (i.e., from the school of Ted Thompson or Ozzie Newsome)
Yep
I like the GM first, then coach model.
More specifically, I like the Head Coach as game/team motivator/manager, OC and DC as gurus model.
I dont
It gives douches like Haley a figurehead ruler type job.
by Jake Edmisten on Dec 6, 2010 5:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
You could look at it like that or
You could see Harbaugh in Baltimore and Tomlin in Pitt and Morris in TB or…..
About tebow
is McD didnt think he was ready to play then he prob isnt, McD had to be tebows biggest supporter
i just hope we keep tebow
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Funny, but
as a DC I would take it in a heartbeat. The fat man in the sweater can really coach the 3-4!
by Elway's Ghost on Dec 6, 2010 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
I like Wink
I think he’s actually done a pretty good job considering the injuries he’s had to deal with. Hopping from one DC to another isn’t ever going to help this team get any better with a new Defensive playbook to learn every year. Keep Martindale and see what he can do with a second year.
Normally would agree
but it’s hard to argue with Wade’s track record as a DC. Wouldn’t be a radical change anyway, they’d still run the 3-4.
I'm not endorsing Calhoun by any means, but the triple option thing is an Air Force adaptation only.
He was OC at Houston prior to USAFA, and a Denver assistant prior to that. The guy comes from a pro-style upbringing, but used the option in Air Force because you can’t win at a service academy with a pro system. They just don’t get the players in for it.
Again, not endorsing. Just noting that his current option offense isn’t a factor in the discussion.
Air Force
and their “scrubs” actually win an awful lot. In Utah, we were affiliated with the Mountain West Conference until next season, of course
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
He was their first choice when Kiffin left
and he turned them down.
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remember when we first drafted Tebow
everyone said that he would make or break his job here. Turns out he didn’t even get the chance.
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Not sure how to feel
This will all depend on who replaces him. All of us keep talking about Cowher and Gruden but what if they don’t want to come back to coaching?? Any other names that you guys would be significantly happier with than McDaniels?
Not a huge fan of this move… plus if the next coach doesn’t want to work with Tebow, then we’re stuck with a crap QB in Orton.
not really
Gonna have a top 5 pick this year. Could be Luck or Mallett.
Sure its another wasted draft pick but McDaniels had enough of them.
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
IMO This firing was because of Tebow
Bowlen says play him, McD says he isn’t ready. Bowlen peaces him out. Only thing that makes sense.
Yeah we might have to use that top 5 pick on Luck or Mallett if the new guy doesn’t like Tebow. I think no matter what this sets us back at least an extra year.
I guess the argument from some is we we’re already set back at least a year by keeping McDaniels around. No win situation really… at least short term
Luck >>>>>> Mallett. Imo.
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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 6, 2010 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
Luck
is going to be the first overall player taken in theDraft next year period
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
Captain Comeback
is the only college coach who would suffice or perhaps Calhoun. We need someone with NFL experience because lots of the college knobs don’t care about WINNING, just getting into the BCS> The BCS is the most criminal thing in North America
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:48 PM MST reply actions
I personally have always liked Billick
he did a great job early with Minnesota and then in Baltimore.
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No way!
I live in Baltimore and he is not the right guy for the job! Fans rejoiced here when he was fired.
Curious
Why? He was liked here in Minnesota. Fans here think if he’d been head coach in 98 we would’ve played the Vikes instead of the Falcons in SB33.
If Morton Anderson kicks the ball three feet right
we do play the Vikings in that Super Bowl. Fans in Minnesota didn’t see his work as a head coach in Baltimore. He did a poor job managing otherwise great teams.
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Their ire was based on Denny kneeling on the ball right before halftime
There’s clear video of Billick storming on the sidelines because he wanted to put the dagger in and Green balked.
Screw these retreads...
I will be severely disappointed if we go with Gruden or Billick. What we need is to kidnap Ozzie Newsome.
Despair: It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
Hang on....then why get rid of McDaniels. Pat Kirwan thinks we need to go camp on the door of Jon Gruden!
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haha how about Urban Meyer?
we know he likes Tebow ;)
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personally...I hope we just name both McCoy and Wink as co-head coaches for the interim...
and really take some good time figuring out our next move…season is lost already and the transition we be a lot less difficult.
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He's fist pumping the tears away...
Sorry. I couldn’t resist.
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No, I think
he is calling Hoodie #1 in NE and reporting that his mission to so salt in Denver (5-2 vs NE) is now complete and he is ready to return to the mother ship.
I’m only half joking . . .
by Elway's Ghost on Dec 6, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
what's his twitter address btw?
I should follow Brandon
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In order from how he was thinking
After talking to guys:
Who is going to be
Mike McCoy, Martindale?
They have no idea.
Pfeifer FTW!
lol j/k
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Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
Says that as long as players stick together
That’s all that matters.
Don’t make a wholesale change on the system.
He didn't think it was going to happen
Cetainly not now. Off season, Yeah, but at this point he did NOT see it coming
Says his strengths are his weakness
Coach McD is a player. He is volatile, irrational, unpredictable, but they loved it. He was passionate.
Respected that he was able to communicate with players on their level.
You gotta look at how coach Shanny built his offense
It was all about the OLine, that’s why RB’s were replaceable.
More on strengths
His preperation and the sense that he controlled the game plans for the offense defense and special teams. The Game plans were SPOT ON. Says the player didn’t execute. They knew everything the other teams would do
Brian Billick
makes sense. He is a genius and could forget more about football than Gruden could ever know
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:51 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
He is a serious doucher
Would make me sick to my stomach…..
by OC Bronco Fan on Dec 6, 2010 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
He waited too long to play Tebow.
He was strapped to Orton even though Orton had crashed and burned enough times already for the AVERAGE FAN to see it. McD was his own undoing. He needed to pull the trigger on the Tebow era, it really was his only remaining hope. He didn’t do it. I blame McD for not making the switch. If we could have won a few more games, this thread wouldn’t be here right now. Other teams that drafted a QB as early as we did (Rodgers is a good example) had the luxury of having the rookie sit behind a solid vet if not future hall of famer. I’ve said for the longest now that we simply did not have that luxury. It’s a truly sad day and probably the lowest point I’ve seen the team since I’ve been a fan.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
by grind_core on Dec 6, 2010 4:51 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
I mean, I just don't get it.
At what point do you make the switch? It was brutally obvious what needed to happen in the last Chiefs game. I’d venture a guess that we could have scored ONE MF TD had Tebow been given the chance. Instead, we watched the maestro Orton himself make horrible pass after horrible pass. It was like watching a car accident. You wanted to look away, but you couldn’t. How the hell do you NOT put Tebow in at some point during that game? That game was as much on Orton as it was on McD for not having the guts to go for it on 4th down or swap orton for Tebow. I do feel kinda bad for McD, but at the same time, I just don’t think he used all the tools that were at his disposal. It ultimately led to his downfall.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
How much you wanna bet Orton's on his fantasy team?
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Think it through!
If he did, then he sucks at fantasy football. What he’d do then is pick up Tebow off waivers and then trade Orton for a #2-3 RB/WR. THEN bench Orton and start Tebow.
To me this is indisputable proof that he did NOT have Orton on his team!
;)
+1
Woody Paige was correct at the beginning of the season. We knew the best possible Orton scenario was around 8-8. I’m an Orton fan. Admire his character, but the Broncos need a QB LEADER.
by oorange blood on Dec 6, 2010 5:16 PM MST up reply actions
let's just name Ben McDaniels the interim
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So he can hire Josh as his OC? LOL.
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so who is running the offense now?
with mcd’s “complicated” system, who calls the plays?
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Awesome...1st down: Lloyd...incomplete...next 2 downs the same then punt!
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This sets us back another 2-3 years. Hopefully the new coach runs a spread offense and a 3-4 or we are going to have to completely clean house personnel wise. This seems like an Al Davis move to me. Blow up the team, bring in new coaches, players, and schemes causing struggle next year and the year after. The same fans that are happy right now will probably be calling for the next guys head in 2 years time. I hope not but that’s a real possibility. I hope we win another Lombardi before McD wins one with a new team cause that would sting really freaking bad.
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by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, this old stuff has turned....blech.
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Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
this is a great thing
broncos fans, you will get a solid proven coach who will get your next season started on a high note with a great top 7 draft pick and build around the cornerstones of your team
mcdaniels had an ego which is fine if you know what youre doing but this guy was clueless
the longer he stayed the worse it got, this is an ealry gift denver
you will get someone great for the long haul
trust me
Trust you...
…
that’s the best I can do.
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Damnit, we are now the Raiders
I didn’t care for McDaniels, but at least give him the rest of the season…
We’ll be Detroit West if we hire Calhoun to replace McDaniels
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the more it's repeated, the more it's repeated.
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e^x
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by manbearpig5000000 on Dec 6, 2010 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
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Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
Timing is bad
but was there going to be a good time? It had to be done for Denver as a franchise to move on. Hopefully better things will come for you guys, it’s been a rough year.
Exactly
If Bowlen decided to make the move, there was little to be gained by waiting. He would not be doing Josh any favors by waiting.
Voted no almost soley due to timing
I wasn’t sure whether or not he should get fired, but I don’t like this timing, especially not with who’s on the staff right now that could take over as interim coach. It’ll be interesting to see what happens…
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Probably went something like this:
Bowlen says: I’m going to bring in a new GM when at the end of the season.
McD says: No you’re not, I’m going to do it myself.
Bowlen says: Okay then, you’re fired.
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 6, 2010 4:53 PM MST reply actions
Ed Donatell
Makes the most sense as an interim on the current staff. Not sure what to make of Calhoun rumors.
Keep Moving Forward.
That's what I'm thinking as well Donatell has experience and players like him
Players like Wink too but he may not even be a good DC as far as we can tell
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Anyone think we should go after the fat man with a beard? Rob Ryan?
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Now.... I wouldn't mind that, actually...
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Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
Kudos to Bowlen
He recognized a mistake and moved to correct it. Certainly his wallet will take a hit up front but in the long run this a great thing for Denver.
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
Collective Bargaining
We are out of contention. The losses and the embarrassments piled up. That is why he got the axe. But why now? Making a change in the offseason with a lockout would be near impossible. We have to implement new offensive and defensive systems etc and with this season over and done it needs to happen immediately.
If we don’t have a coach now we are triply screwed. I was told that there is a strong possibility that training camp and pre-season lasts about 3 weeks next year. That’s not a whole lot of time to prepare a football team. So we basically need to hire our next head coach now. Don’t know how that’s possible without a Gruden or an NCAA coach.
I answered that
1) We are mathematically out of contention
2) We need to think ahead and can’t wait until the offseason to start implementing new systems with a lockout looming
by OC Bronco Fan on Dec 6, 2010 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
Just
so long as there is football, a lockout would Eddie Royally piss me off
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
Dallas fired Phillips...won the next 2 games and 3 out of 4.
Minnesota fired Childress…won the next 2 games so far.
Lets hope for a continuation of that!!!
Well that was quick.
I honestly thought Bowlen would wait til the end of the season before doing anything.
A lot of fans got their wish, so now let’s see who takes over and if he starts Tebow or not.
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by weazel on Dec 6, 2010 4:56 PM MST via mobile reply actions
4 Games Left...
WGAS! That’s 4 less games we have to suffer through all the McDrama. GOOD RIDDANCE, SAYONARA Sucker! I have never seen a Broncos team so full of outside controversy than the one that WAS run by Josh McDaniels. He is gone, and the drama can follow his *ss right out the door.
by OrangeCrusher on Dec 6, 2010 4:56 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Josh lost me today, when he said he wasn't even considering playing Tebow
The next 4 games were going to be more meaningless than preseason, and he can’t find reps for Tebow?
I’m sorry. This hurts. I like McD, but he didn’t seem to realize there are 2M fans who need to know more about the future than his blithe assurances of what he sees in practice.
Chiefs fan here - and I think Bowlen is (again) making a huge mistake
I’ll repeat what I said at Arrowhead Pride:
Shanahan failed because he was trying to do too much. Then they bring in a really young, promising coach, and give him the franchise. Being HC should be enough.
Bowlen would have been smart to do like Clark Hunt and hired a good GM first, then gone after a HC. It will be interesting to see if he makes the same mistake again. I don’t think there are many coaches that can do the job that McDaniel’s was asked to do. Most of the coaches, even the really good and proven ones, are capable of running the whole show.
I think it’s a raw deal for Josh and I hope he gets a good gig soon. He obviously needs to go back to OC again and get his legs back under him.
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by Big Chief on Dec 6, 2010 4:57 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Actually I'm hoping Bowlen makes the same mistake again
and brings in someone like Gruden to run the whole show. Then we won’t have to worry about the Broncos in the teens anymore than we had to worry about the Raiders in the 90s.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
Hmmm...
I’ve seen a lot of Chief and Raider fans rooting for us to keep McDaniels. You’ll forgive me if I don’t think they have the Broncos best interests in mind.
that's your argument?
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
That's not my argument. Look at my past posts regarding McDaniels.
And your reply was an intelligent point in its own right. I bow before intellectual brilliance of YOUR argument.
i was simply replying to the post above
and it wasn’t very intelligent. i was just pointing that out.
i didn’t make an argument. mine is simply this:
i am not happy about this. I wish mcd had been given at least the rest of the year, ideally, next year as well. unfortunately (or fortunately, depending who you ask), bowlen did neither of these and fired him now. like i said, i am not happy.
however, it was never mine or your decision to make, and it’s been made. i hope that the new head coach will be able to continue on with what mcdaniels has done. i hope that he has the sense to at least try tebow for the remaining four games. and i hope that the new head coach will bring us wins.
i am a broncos fan, and i will support the new coach and always hope for the best. i will also support mcd for whatever team he signs on (ideally, the Pats will take him back) but my loyalty will always remain to the broncos.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
I was making a quick point that I take the arguments of Chiefs fans as to what the Broncos should do with skepticism. I was making no point beyond that. You chose to make a quick, and if I may say, rather insulting and antagonistic point regarding my intelligence. You basically asserted that I was stupid.
That may or may not be, but I think your comment about my intelligence was out of place, and, frankly, down right rude. It was borderline trolling. I just pointed that out.
and you were correct in doing so.
i apologize for that remark. i was simply letting my bewilderment and confusion override my sense of decency. i apologize.
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
It's all good man
I was not entirely civil after the Raiders game if I remember correctly.
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acknowledged that McD may have had too much on his plate
but very sharply saying that McD is “One HELL of a coach” and gushing about the way that McD prepared the guys for the game being second to none. He’s gonna take call now.
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What is he saying?
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Doesn't mean a thing in this business tune
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Owners
I think this is stupid. I have never really like Mcdaniels but i really hate when people do not keep their word thank god Nfl owners are not in the military they can not keep their work so how could you ever trust them. And i really have a bad feeling he will go on and be a really good coach somewhere else.
News flash, I'm in the military and the ones in command there don't keep their word either.
The guys you trust are the ones next to you not the ones in the air conditioned office doing paperwork.
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
New coaches
Two weeks ago my guess was Kube being the new HC. Then yesterday I changed my mind to a defensive coordinator (Greg Mattison, perhaps?) being HC with the stipulation that Kube is the offensive coordinator.
maybe he was fired for not pointing his finger at Haley after the loss
Bowlen hates weakness
by diviesti on Dec 6, 2010 4:59 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
McDaniels
leaves true to what he believes in, but I’m unsure as to whether or not we’ll be better for this. I believe we will be but as is often said, the proof is in the pudding. I hope for the playoffs in 2011, if nothing else, things will be interesting. I am still a Broncos fan to the end of my days
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 4:59 PM MST reply actions
Hope for the playoffs in 2011? Dude, that’s optimistic of you.
3-4 years minimum. Time to once again rebuild.
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
Parcells took over in Miami
They went from 1-15 to playoff contenders in one year. It happens all the time in the NFL… Just have to make the right moves.
I'm less optimistic that there will BE football in 2011
so if there is, then anything can happen, esp if they have a good draft.
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I heard one desire to see Kyle Shanahan get hired
PLEASE don’t go with another extremely youthful coach!!
If Mr. Bowlen
honestly feels the change had to be made, he has earned that right. The greatest moments in franchise history have come under his watch and he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Whatever happens, the Broncos will be winners shortly, I honestly believe this.
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 5:01 PM MST reply actions
he cut his losses quick with Wade
and what followed were the franchise’s glory years. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.
by Rainbow skyline on Dec 6, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
Ownership
I am beginning to wonder if we are moving from having one of the best owners in the NFL to one of the worst, but we do not know what is really going on, I guess
Keep Moving Forward.
A bone headed move in my opinion.
The Broncos are now back to square one. I hope Bowlen has a replacement in mind because there isn’t much time between now and Sunday’s game.
The season's over
so this week’s game doesn’t matter … the only criteria for the rest of this season is seeing if Tim Tebow really can play QB at the NFL level or if we need to look at QBs with our draft pick next year.
Do we really need a head coach for the next game?
The season is over. The Broncos just have to show up to meet their contractual obligations.
Bring in Kubes as HC with Rob Ryan as DC
Ryan has done a lot with the crap the Browns have…
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It will either be an interim coach or someone not on a current NFL staff
I think the NFL rules will not allow the Broncos to hire from another team during the season.
Keep Moving Forward.
Shefter just said MCD
got fired because of spygate 2
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I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
He's probably over-simplifying
My guess is he was kind of on his “last straw” when this bad season + Spygate happened. Then we see Orton play some mediocre football the last few weeks, Bowlen says “the season is lost, start Tebow now and get him some experience.” McDaniels says no, he gets fired as it’s all piled up into enough reason for Bowlen to fire him.
Makes sense to me.
Yeah
He said there were rumblings about McDs job evern before Spygate 2, but that’s what really pushed Bowler over the edge.
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I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!
Cellar Dwellers
Shanny ran our team into the ground. We had to rebuild. Now, we will have a new coach who will want “his players” and install “his system” all the while it seems the fans will not be patient and allow the success to grow. I think this was a horrible move. The only record we will try to break now is the Raiders record of 7 seasons of at least 11 Losses! I will not be ordering NFL Sunday ticket or pay Hundreds of Dollars on Stub Hub for a game near me. (I have attended at least 1 game since 2005). How do we pay Shanny and McDaniels while trying to bring in a top tier coach (that the fans want) and bring in free-agents?
I was glad Shanny got fired too but at least he maintained .500 record with the worst D in the league.
McD didn’t do any better and he should have.
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
ACCORDING TO ESPN
The Broncos were researching to see if they could find out if they could fire FOR CAUSE which would void the rest of his contract.
No way
MSM is making it up. He has no sources within the building.
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
I'm being sarcastic
Anytime someone says anything bad about Denver MHR talks the guy down. Supposedly Glazer was out ruin McDaniels
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
Ouch
Mort is saying Bowlen wants to fire him for cause.
Its anchorman not anchorlady. And that is a scientific FACT!
"Cause" being defined as . . .
. . . “running our Franchise into the ground”. Hope it works!
by Elway's Ghost on Dec 6, 2010 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
My guess
And again, only my guess, is that more info came out about Spygate II, maybe even involving the next game against KC, and that provided the urgency for the move. Otherwise, I do not understand the timing. Bowlen has never been an Al Davis “play my guy or else” sort of owner, so that doesn’t hold water with me.
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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 6, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
PURE INSANITY
I cannot believe this has happened so quickly… what about monitoring the team for the last 5 games?? Does anyone have any information regarding this decision? Now what Pat Bowlen?? Why even hire this douchbag to a 4 year deal and then fire him after the 12th game in his second season??
Was the incident in London something that we should monitor and investigate coming down the stretch?
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How will the potential lockout affect who they hire?
With a possibility of a lockout, Bowlen might not look for a coach right away.
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Just the opposite
That is why we need an HC sooner than later. A lockout means less time with the players and less time to implement systems. Our franchise is in shambles.
by OC Bronco Fan on Dec 6, 2010 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
Ugh
All I remember him for is being D coord on Ty Willingham’s 0-12 Husky team here in Seattle. Gack. Oh well as interim how bad can it be right.
Gack!
hadn’t heard that in a long time! lol
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 6, 2010 5:25 PM MST up reply actions
Well
I’m going to the Orlando Magic blog for a little while. Nothing clears your head like hard work (which I’ve done today) and a diversion. I still love the Broncos come what may as there is no evidence we cheated.
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2010 5:07 PM MST reply actions
Brian Billick on NFL Network speculates
that maybe Josh went to Bowlen to confirm if he was really committed to Josh’s plan going forward and the answer was “You’re fired”….I mean he didn’t say it exactly that way….but that kind of makes sense..
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McDaniels will go to the Raiders or somebody as the OC
and then tear up the Broncos for the next decade.
Phonz really actually isn't doing very well
he’s getting burned and getting picks when he doesn’t get burned. not exactly great.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
This is soooooo sad
I really liked Josh, He really had a sports acumen for offense and I felt like he made some mistakes but damn. Kyle Orton destroyed his chances of coming back. I hate KO now. Tebow from now on!
+1
although I’ll never hate Kyle. He has given his best, I believe.
by oorange blood on Dec 6, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
Well...
I guess at least whomever the new coach is had better not have any excuses for being “unprepared” for the 2011 Draft. We all were trying to figure out McDaniels plan, but has anyone tried to figure out what Bowlen’s plan is?
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YES
Don’t know much about him, but if he’s anythign like his bro would love to have him.
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I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!
I would be down with giving Rob a try. I like Rex and I know they have similar personalities.
Hopefully Rob is as good a coach as Rex or at least as good as hiring a great staff to take pressure off of him. Those guys are great motivators and players love playing for them (so was McD apparently)
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
The Rat wins perhaps a good thing
Ed Donatell had to be the guy who ratted out McD and he might of been justified. Be he was not a McD guy and has always had bowlen’s ear which is why he lasted through all the d coorinators I have been Josh’s biggest advocate but not going for it on 4th down and refusing to play Tebow in blowout or lost seasons was the last straws for me. tebow may be good or horrible but I want to see him play
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haha awesome name
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Marty Schottenheimer for HC, seriously.
Flame suit on. I know it would be the most unlikely of matches but in all honesty I wouldn’t have a problem hiring Marty for HC. I have always loved how he has been able to coach young players and build a team. Obviously he’s never had much post season success but I believe he would be a good fit to take our very young team and develope them and get them to stop making fundamental mistakes that are costing us games. I know there is next to no chance of this happening but I have no problem being quoted saying it.
No.... please no... Marty Ball... no... just no....
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actually....this is not a bad idead
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I wanted Marty before they hired McD. What’s not to like about his 14-2 last season? The man whips a team into shape. Hubris is his Achille’s heel. His players count chickens before they hatch. I’d still be glad to have Marty.
by oorange blood on Dec 6, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
We do seem to do well when he's around...
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Wow.. Did not see that one coming
Midseason? That works for a coach that has completely lost his locker room — Phillips, Childres… But is that the case here?
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Brandon Lloyd is on the radio saying that McD is "a HELL of a coach"
I don’t think so
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I will take a Players opinion
over some dude on on fan site
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
I think it has to be related to the taping incident. Considering the timing and the abruptness of it…
Agreed
Given the timing of the firing it would not be shocking to anyone if more is about to come out regarding the taping incident.
Considering this is the same time of the week/day that Childress and Phillips were fired, the time issue is poor evidence
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True
But it’s nearly the end of a completely lost season and it’s safe to say that none of the guys on the staff right now will be the HC come September 2011. At least Frazier and Garrett are solid candidates to take over their respective jobs full time.
Also…with these cause rumours…uh…isn’t that what Al Davis tried to do with Kiffin? And Shanny for that matter? Just saying.
The team has been competing, unlike the Vikes and Cowboys were.
Something must of happened during their meeting today. Otherwise, Bowlen is just a knee-jerk fool.
by Gristle McThornbody on Dec 6, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions
Does it matter if your locker room respects you if you can't get that locker room to play hard and win games?
Or if you can’t keep fans in the stands because they are disgusted with what they see even though you know you hold the key that will bring them back but refuse to use it because you love your players? In a perfect world that would matter more but this isn’t a perfect world.
I’m sure he could have played Tebow and still maintained his players respect.
by BroncoMath101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe he didn't want to risk the humiliation
of playing in a half empty stadium at home in two weeks with people screaming for McD’s head.
Bowlen’s history has indicated he doesn’t take firings lightly, so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that something happened to escalate matters to this.
I agree
I was getting tired of the “But the players love him!” argument. I’m sorry, but in the real world, that just doesn’t matter that much.
I wanted to punch Glazer when he said Broncos could afford 3 HC
He was onto something afterall
Bowlen the new Al Davis?
Perhaps Bowlen is going to start to run the team like fellow aged owner Al Davis. A new coach every 2 years! So stupid!
You don't know why he was fired
Spygate 2 has a lot to do with it… Probably more than we realize yet.
Agree with this
I think there was enough smoke for Bowlen to decide fire. Puns intended.
If I remember correctly,
we fired Wade after 2 seasons, and didn’t turn into the raiders. settle down.
by Rainbow skyline on Dec 6, 2010 5:23 PM MST up reply actions
It's 1 of 2 things
A Tebow Disagreement
or
A conclusion of an investigation of SpyGate2 that give the Broncos a for cause claim.
totally agree
something happened here.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
Actually I'm strongly guessing it's both
Those two things combined, along with a terrible season… Yeah I’d fire him if I were Bowlen too.
There’s rumblings that Denver may be able to fire him with cause due to Spygate 2, meaning they’re off the hook for his contract.
with the information we know now, i doubt we can fire him with cause
but there might be more info out there
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:23 PM MST up reply actions
Or both!
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Wow. Shocked. Surprised. Sad.
Didn’t see it coming
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Not a Broncos fan, but just throw this out there...
…this coincides with the end of the regular college football season….a time when college HCs have a few days to talk. Maybe some discussion has taken place with Jim Harbaugh.
by donniethelion on Dec 6, 2010 5:20 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
there are no coincidences
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Harbaugh is going to a Bowl Game
his season is not over
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
Harbaugh makes
alot of sense. I could see Bowlen already having had a conversation with Elway re: what he thought of Harbaugh. I’m guessing that Elway would have had some great things to say about him. Harbaugh had Elway out several weeks ago to give a pep talk to the Stanford team so I’m sure Elway has kept close connections with the program. Perhaps it goes like this: “OK John, I’ll bring in Harbaugh and I’d like you to be GM”… just saying
by rubincarterrocks on Dec 6, 2010 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
Harbaugh is a classy guy
IMO He will not even interview for jobs until his Bowl game is over. Personally I am sick of hearing about the coaches people want. We need a GM first
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:40 PM MST up reply actions
This is a great point
But I don’t want Harbaugh as our head coach. Doesn’t seem to fit the ethos of our organization.
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
I really like Harbaugh but am intrigues by your reply
Can you talk more about his ’not seem(ing) to fit the ethos of the organization..
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To be honest, this is just based on my feel for the organization since I was old enough to watch in the mid-80s
Jim Harbaugh has been known to have a pretty bad temper, back to his days as a QB in Chicago and Indy.
I just don’t think that Bowlen’s an owner who wants a feisty coach – Rex Ryan, Harbaugh’s brother, or Todd Haley, for instance. It appears to me that Bowlen works best with one that, although intense, isn’t likely to blow up publicly. Spags, would have fit this bill.
So, in summary, I think that there would just be more harmony in the offices if the guy we get isn’t known for having a temper that can flare in public.
Again, I realize this isn’t rock solid logic. Just my highly subjective intuition.
Whatever we do, I hope that we couple him with a strong personnel guy who has power over that aspect of the job. We may all dislike A.J. Smith, but we need a guy like that in our front office (without the attitude, if possible).
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
at a certain point
it’s just funny. it’s absolutely hilarious. what’s next? i can’t wait to see what our broncos have in store for us going forward.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
This is lame.
Wake me when we’re not the Denver Raiders anymore.
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remember what he did to the dolphins
no thanks. and no thanks to bill “ancient” cowher. he isn’t going to have lebeau here, either. gruden might be ok, but i’m not sold on him 100% either.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
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Wow! My rants yesterday worked!
Now only if DJ is released it will be a great Christmas Gift
Gruden sucks as a coach. I know because I live in Tampa!
He one only because of Dungy’s team and he was playing against his old team. Basically new all the plays.
Man I am looking pretty smart as of late.
"3 and Out Baby" I ride the short bus!
Yes he beat his old team
In the Superbowl. He must have done alright to lead the Raiders deep into the playoffs, and good enough that the Raiders went to the Superbowl the next year.
That's very true
After the SB, Tampa players were saying Gruden was telling them what plays were coming.
by donniethelion on Dec 6, 2010 5:26 PM MST up reply actions
the best part is
the broncos are still the greatest team in the history of the entire world
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by BroncoJoe311 on Dec 6, 2010 5:22 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
i gathered :)
just thought we all might need a laff or two, i know i do right about now.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
well that was a fast ascent
considering the effort and energy that Moreno has put into the team/game the last few weeks, I can totally understand why they went this direction.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
he's the interim coach
you have to go with someone already on the coaching staff.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:26 PM MST up reply actions
My thoughts
Hate this most because our defense has to learn a new system. What is that like 10 in 5 years?
How can we expect consistency and production when we change the system so much?
I would love to see Kubiak leave the Texans and come back home.
I would hate to see Gruden coach us. He was worse than Shanny towards the end. Don’t like his QB collecting. (especially when he collects crap qb’s)
Cowher would be nice.
Can’t think of any others off hand maybe Kiffen. (Fired Raiders coach has worked in the past) Oh wait Kiffen is an idiot.
most of all I just hope we didn’t waste Tebow’s pick…need to make sure that whoever coaches is good at developing QB’s.
10 in 5 years LOL
absurdist humor is the best ;)
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.
trade him
I’m thinking we trade Tebow for a Gronkowski this off-season. Maybe Rob? It’s been about the right amount of time to finish turning a 1st round pick into a Gronkowski.
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Please PLEASE
Whoever we hire, give Tebow a chance.
“All we are sayinggggg is give Tim a chance”
by Jordo5150 on Dec 6, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't think
that this rb coach is going to try and shake things up. probably go business as usual.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
Question: If there's a lockout next season, how does that affect the buyouts?
Would Denver be off the hook for both Shanny and McD for that year?
Well, the past is the past.
Is Gruden really the best candidate how there?!
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Something nagging...
They said he was “relieved of head coaching duties”. Does that mean he may stay on in some other role? OC, maybe? He’s on the payroll for the next 2 years anyway.
yeah i thought that too
probably reading into it too much but who knows.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
nope
"It's a little bit of us against the world. It will be wonderful when I prove him right."
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I guess Broncos have become the Buffalo of the west
Did I just hear Lloyd say he doesn’t even know RB coach?
"It's a little bit of us against the world. It will be wonderful when I prove him right."
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Makes the organization look stupid, disorganized
Shanahan was fired without a real clear reason stated.
Before hiring McDaniels, they said the coach wouldn’t run everything. Then, without explanation, McD is hired and running everything.
No reason given as to why McD over someone else and why he got the power, esp as a new HC.
One week ago today, Bowlen says Josh is the coach for 2011. Then 2 hours later the organization tweets that they will monitor the remainder of the season and decide then.
Today, was business as usual at Dove Valley.
then fired.
To me it’s sad. They appear to be confused, lost, disorganized.
McDaniels at least was consistent in what he said and believed in.
Pat Bowlen? I have no clue, and the question is, does he have a clue?
hold on.
something might have happened, in a meeting, etc. more information about spygate. something to do with not starting tebow. There’s a reason, and i’m sure it’ll come out.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
talking heads are saying more and more
that a lot of it has to do with spygate II. hard saying, but that would be in line with bowlen and his pride in his organization.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
Haven't seen anything from a talking head who doesn't spread rumors or like to hear himself talk.
The respected media people have not given a reason, so that means no one knows what transpired this afternoon.
Most of the THs just make stuff up, no sources.
by MichaelCushman on Dec 6, 2010 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
i get that.
but most of the reporters are saying mcD was on thin ice since spygate II and that it was the straw that broke the camel’s back. schefter and the local guys, miller and lombardi are repeating that idea. those guys have been pretty solid.
but yeah, since bowlen didn’t say it in his presser, it’s not confirmed. couldn’t have helped mcD though…
I'm not sugarcoating this.
I'm sure something happened, and
There’s still the problem of Bowlen not giving a live press interview in over a year, and him constantly contradicting himself.
This reminds me of when the NYG went through a a bad decade with George Mara Sr still running the team. Only when his son took over and he hired a good GM did things turn around.
by MichaelCushman on Dec 6, 2010 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
ESPN reporting that Eric Studdesville will take over interim duties
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Timing is confusing
Not many coaches get to do an interview and talk about the next game, and then wham you are fired.
Something else has to be going on here.
INTERIM coach
ie only for the next 4 games … not the “real” next coach.
Yea but at least let someone halfway qualified finish the season
I expect a top 3 pick now. No way the Bills dont pick up a W and Lions may as well
The only thing that matters right now
is getting enough snaps for Tebow in the remaining games to learn whether or not we need to take a QB with that pick.
did you see Moreno yesterday?
only player consistently playing with 100% effort.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:32 PM MST up reply actions
dude he's the interim coach.
we have no idea who will be hired next year.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
There is a ton of activity right now on here….
I didn’t like McDaniels or his smugness, but I think they needed a little stability. Teams don’t do well when they need to learn new systems & schemes every other year.
My problem w/this whole McDaniels era debacle is that, in my opinion, this team has been set back at least 5 yrs. Does anyone agree, or were the moves that were made going to happen no matter what? I don’t think they all would have been made.
Mike Klis saying the videogate is the reason for the firing on 87.7 The Ticket
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That was a little delayed...
If your gonna fire him for it do it soon after it happens… Maybe some new info arose that we didnt know about
it probably just takes
a bit of time to get any kind of plan in place (and think about whether he might be fireable with cause). I don’t think it says that there is any additional info.
Probably had to
check with the lawyers to make sure they could fire him for cause
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If Bowlen is going to try to avoid paying final 2 years
Had to fire ASAP i assume which explains timing.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
I dont think you need too many reasons to fire a coach.
He’s still gonna get payed, so I dont really see how the law can step in. Plus, this is the NFL, and you can fire and cut people on a performance basis as we see time and time again
The law? I'm saying contract law...to fire him and get out of paying him what's left on the contract..
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by violating the terms of his contract
I bet you Bowlen is going to argue that he does not have to pay McD the final 2 years.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
I'm thinking McD might also be looking filing wrongful termination if he could...
This could get really ugly…Unless Bowlen pays him a settlement and they call it a day
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Very sad that we wasted two years.
But I’m an idiot, right? Me and Pat Bowlen.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
No you look smart now. I disagree with your opinion and the move, so we'll see.
Never said you were an idiot by the way, dont put words in my mouth
I'm happy too
I did NOT want to see McD in charge of a third draft
I dont want to see XANDERS in charge of a 3rd draft.
Why are people not putting a lot of the blame on him?
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
xanders is just the money/salary cap guy
and he’s good at it. i doubt he had much to do with personnel.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
He is partly in charge of our drafts
Which people condemn McDaniels about. Only fair that Xanders be dumped too. Might as well start anew now
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
i guess so.
if you’re saying handling salary structures is fireable. mcD built the team though. in any case, i doesn’t sound like the draft is what got him fired.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
Shocked
I thought Bowlen would see the process through, but there must be more going on behind the scenes. It seems Ellis is the real man in charge. Just heard studesville will be interim head coach.
Can we re-hire Shanny on his old contract?
You know… Just for kicks and to save a few bucks.
Why all the hate for Calhoun
When he was on Shanny’s staff, he was considered as the top assistant for the broncos and how playoff appearances have they had since then. He is a man of impeccable character and learned from Fisher DeBerry about caring for players off the field as well. My top choice for what it matters.
why not?
this place has been full of them lately
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not kidding
I love theories, because for all the crazy ones, there is always one or two that turn out to be true, and it’s awesome to be the dude that came up with it.
“WTF, I was right?”
as if i wasnt on MHR enough
now ill find it hard to go more than an hour without checking in on this crazyness
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
Heres a possible theory
maybe Bowlen wanted to start Tebow but McD refused, so Bowlen canned him for someone who would. The QB position will be interesting to watch for the rest of the year.
Of course the disclaimer: I base this on nothing, just a thought
Our run game sucked so we hire the RB coach as the interim coach?
Sounds like when the Raiders hired their OL Coach.
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I thought the same thing
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in fairness
The O-line was the biggest part of this, but still a good point. but then again, it is an interim coach only.
Yea our run game sucked
cause we ran for 160+ yards on sunday. stupid
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
Are you going to ignore the lack of running for the rest of the season?
SSS friend
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The running game has been fine for the
past 3-4 games. Saying the running game has sucked the whole season is completely false
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
Look at the stats starting
3-4 games ago when The Oline got healthy and Moreno was healthy. I bet we are in the top 12 since then
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
Bowlen is losing it. There is nothing to gain firing him
during the season. Ellis needs to go alos. Bowlen needs to hire a New Football of Operations guy such as Parcells. Let him pick the GM. Once the GM is hired they can both look for a new head coach. Bowlen never gave McD a chance when he hired him without giving him a GM
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:36 PM MST reply actions
Knowshon Moreno!
He gets his highest rushing total as a pro and gets Studesville hired! McDaniels certainly knows how to pick em!
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 5:37 PM MST reply actions
Art Shell is available
Being that Bowen is taking the Al Davis route, maybe we should hire Art Shell. Then fire him after 12 games.
From Lance Ball
LanceBall35 Lance Ball
Aye this the closest thing to Obama being elected president !!!!! #nfl Let’s Gooo !!! #e
Glad to see too that Ball's up to date on politics
cuz no matter how you read it, in no way shape or form has Obama lived up to any of his promises so I hope this isnt an accurate analogy…
Apparently some people dont like McD
And think he is George Bush
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 5:40 PM MST up reply actions
haha
Wow. RB coach being named interim is the closes thing to Obama being elected pres?
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
does this mean
he will roll over and do whatever the raiders want?
Al Davis running the country
Now that would be scary
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
I bet Tebow is announced as the starter by tomorrow afternoon
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
God I hope not
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I'm fine with a lesser known or younger guy
If he’s paired with a strong personnel guy.
Or Elway. But Elway would also need to be paired with a strong personnel guy.
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
They say once a coach is fired you try to get the exact opposite of the previous coach
And a coach “from nowhere” is what McD is and what Calhoun is.
The HC from Air Force is the best Bowlen can come up with? Not even that its a small school but we see time and time again success at the college level does not translate to succes in the NFL when it comes to HCing
it's been about an hour since he was fired.
all these rumors about troy calhoun are a bunch of baloney
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
You are right
Instead of a you lesser known coach of a winning franchise
Let’s get an old well known coach from a constant loser!
Opposite day!
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
If Bowlen fired McD for Troy Calhoun
then he is a MORON
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
Wow. Loving all the support for the team and the FAITH IN BOWLEN!! Where are you folks running that these last two years? Come on!
Believe in Bowlen. He made a mistake, he rectified it.
Can’t wait to see what comes next!!
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Bowlen rectified his mistake.
We have a great owner.
Trust him.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:44 PM MST up reply actions
the timing's a little jarring
but just reflecting on the whole thing i can’t think of a whole lot i’ll miss from the last couple of years.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
Agreed
No reason to keep going the same direction as last two years. I would take Bowlen’s track record over McD’s any day.
by NoCalBroncoFan on Dec 6, 2010 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
I'm just sick to my stomach
I’m not sure if McDaniels deserved to be fired, but I wanted to give him a little more time to prove his system works. Denver has had to face more than the normal amount of injuries and bad luck over the past two years. I am worried what this coaching change will do to Tebow’s development. How many more years will we have to wait if this team is ripped apart by another new coach before we can return to playoff contention?
The funny thing is, he HAD proved his system works in 2007 and 2008.
The system wasnt’t in question. The struggle to get healthy personnel to run it brought the questions.
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by HarvJNep2n on Dec 6, 2010 5:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The system was good. He just wasn't able to implement it through personnel OR on the fly in gametime.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:45 PM MST up reply actions
I think the personnel were just not in place yet. I think that part of it needed more time.
But yesterday’s abandoning of the run game and relying on a failing Orton made me angry. And I loved the guy. Oh well. Go Broncos! Get an HC that can help you WIN!
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Cutler is more than a tool...hes a frickin HOME DEPOT!
-Boydy
maybe, but
Part of the problem is that he refused to alter his plans to fit with the personnel the team had. Clearly to be successful in the nfl,, you need some of both.
this team can't be ripped further apart.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:44 PM MST up reply actions
it has nothing to do with his system. it has everything to do with his complete and utter failure as a GM. Bowlen/Ellis are just as much to blame for giving him the GM reigns as well. He might have worked with a good GM!
McD will go be a good OC somewhere. Maybe he’ll learn from his mistakes and be a good HC somewhere eventually.
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Of course he would
he’s probably hoping for the opposite of Shanny and something closer to Rex Ryan. Someone that pretty much writes his own stories. The media loves coaches who give them something to talk about whereas they hate guys like Shanny who keep things close to their chest.
Everyone has a bias, especially in the media
Do you require GM responsibilities?
The answer to that question will have a lot to do with your hireability.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
also will you unleash the tebow
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Brandon Lloyd has said 3 or 4 times
McD’s failing wasn’t in his gameplanning it was his personale decisions where McDaniels failed. Interesting.
Wait...Lloyd was calling out McD on bad personnel decisions?
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
This is quite surprising...
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I don't think there's any questions his overall personnel decisions have been very questionable
And I’m not even factoring in the Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler trades.
So the Lane Kiffin firing tooks what 3 years to work through the system
If we at least FILE for Fired With Cause will it space out the coaching salary we have to pay to the point where we could go get a big name coach. Spread out the payments to the other coach even if we end up paying McD?
I expect we'll here more from the spygate BS
At least we shouldn’t be hearing how we’re cheaters from the other team’s fans… we fired him.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
This sums it up...
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 6, 2010 5:47 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
I think McD is probably a decent man in his private life
But he did carry a super arrogant attitude with nothing to yet to back up the arrogance. I didn’t care for that attitude myself.
Bottom line, McD was in over his head with the Broncos. This is still back on Bowlen for hiring him in the first place.
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Arrogance is rampant in the NFL
BB comes off as arrogant. The fat man in NYJ is, and he hasnt even won an SB. Plenty of coaches, good and bad, can be called arrogant.
But they have earned the right to be arrogant...that's the difference, to my mind.
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Really?
With postseason wins over the San Diego Chokers and the Bungles who peaked midway through 09?
Sorry, arrogance is reserved for SB’s, not a year and a half of success. Dont we hate Rivers’ arrogance due to his lack of SB’s, good reg seasons, and postseason chokes?
How about you take Mcdaniels and I'll take Ryan
if that’s how you really see it?
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true
When you are winning you are confident
When you are losing you are arrogant.
Winning cures everything, even public image. And McDaniels just didnt do enough winning
by intramural sport bench coach on Dec 6, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
I am so sick of hearing this
Why is he arrogant? Because he traded your precious Cutler, Marshall or Hillis. Stupid Argument
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 5:51 PM MST up reply actions
Calm down man. I'm just expressing my opinion.....
There is a difference between arrogance, confidence and hubris…I think McD suffered from some of the latter….
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Arrogant from what?
his post game pressers?
him wanting to draft TT and other high character guys?
please………
I love having words put in my mouth....
is that what I said at all? No its not.
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Agreed
Don’t understand at all where people are coming from. He in no way, shape, or form, had the arrogance of a Shanahan. But whatever. Doesn’t matter now.
by OC Bronco Fan on Dec 6, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
Like I said, that's just the perception I've had of him
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sorry man
I didn’t mean to come across as attacking you but you did say you had your perception of him as such. sorry
It's fine...I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in my perception :)
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You might not be alone
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by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
Honestly, man, a person's perception of another's behavior can't be wrong
airforcefoo pretty much summed it up well
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Im sure it's pretty split, but I didn't see him like that.
I’ve had my share of “your too young to succeed crap thrown at me in my life.”
Where did I say he's too young to succeed?
You can be young and successful and not be arrogant.
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It's a fine line sometimes....
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Also, where did I say that was the reason he was fired?
I didn’t…
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That's perfectly logical
His arrogance showed when he thought that his system was so great that he was willing to throw out a number of perfectly good players so he could run it. He was so full of himself that he thought implementing his system trumped everything because he was so damned smart. Well, he isn’t that smart, in fact as it turns out, he’s a terrible game-manager. So while he’s capable of drawing up some good plays, his arrogance was largely his demise. This is why I don’t understand why everybody is so down on Calhoun, a coach committed to putting his players in the best position to succeed over a coach whose commitment is to his system above all. Calhoun went from an offensive coordinator in a pro, west coast offense to re-tooling Air Force’s struggling wishbone into a more versatile triple option attack that has flourished since he’s been there.
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It might be more to do with being concerned about bringing in another rookie coach
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Maybe, but there aren't a lot of former head NFL coaches available
that I’d be particularly interested in, so that might be a little too nit-picky. The fact is he’s a head coach currently at the college level, and a former coordinator at the NFL level. That makes him more experienced than Mcdaniels was. He also has quite a bit more life experience in general.
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NO. Wade P was worse.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
I'll take your word for it
I was a toddler then but this has to be up there. At least we left that regime with our “franchise QB”
Oh, I don't know WB
9-7 and 7-9 would sound pretty good to me now
I just mean we had a better team fail then...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:59 PM MST up reply actions
I loved the Wade hire BTW damn was I wrong!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:59 PM MST up reply actions
I'm surprised folks are so surprised.
Let’s move forward now.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know how long you've been on MHR but I supported Josh staying up until spygate. Pay attention.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
why so sarcastic? You don't know me.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
bull
you bashed Mcd Plenty prior to spygate 2
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 6, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
From Jay Glazer (fwiw)
RB Coach eric studesville I’m hearing is interim head coach. Players say he’s a very smart guy, very trusted by fellow coaches and players.
Isn’t Studesville African American btw? I only ask because I think he’d be the Broncos first African American coach, which is cool. Even if it’s just an interim thing.
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true.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
just catching up? lol
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:51 PM MST up reply actions
He doesn't seem like an up and coming guy... he's a solid guy that can get us throught the season. We now have time to shop for a new coach and won't have to hear how he didn't have time to prepare for the draft...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
I hope so
Although the one fault of McD i’ll agree with you on was the Bucs had a good 09 draft and if memory serves me right we set up our org before they did
yeah, we all could have drafted better... we Mock drafted better.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
Even though that was a dumb argument to begin with, the whole he didn’t have time to prepare nonsense.
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If we beat the Raiders and the Chargers maybe.
If we lose to the cards…. nope.
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I think if money is a factor, the "with cause" issue may have some weight in that decision.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
The exact tweet, just for the curious, to make it precise:
@AdamSchefter Two candidates to watch in Denver: Vikings HC Leslie Frazier, whose contract is up first week in January, and Air Force HC Troy Calhoun.
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Frasier would be a big dose of deja vu
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
He was being considered the last time around
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
assuming they hire him as HC
this is true. no idea what their thinking is on that thoguh.
I heard we're looking at Bill McCartney for the next 3-4 years
And he’s going to groom Alfred Williams for the HC position once he leaves.
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
well Troy Calhoun seems like a little more legit than I though.
Former Broncos QB assistant coach, Former Texans OC, current AFA coach.
Although if we are going to go back to former coaches, why not Dennison?
No, not as HC
I love the guy, but think he’s better in our organization as an assistant.
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
I hope Bowlen goes for a sure thing ...if there IS such a thing.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
and NOW the players start coming out of the woodwork with their opinions on Josh...
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who?
other than B lloyd, who basically said he was fired b/c of personnel decisions, anyone else?
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
If you were put behind Mablowme on the depth chart for an extended period of time
you might be bitter, too. Oh, and add Mablowme to the Mcdaniels laundry list of crap.
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Well, Lance Ball thinks it's the biggest day since Obama's election
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
Apparently he is known for having amazing "perspective"
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
let me look it up... OH yeah Ball compared it to the Obama election...
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that's one player, not the woodworks.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
I can't find the Lloyd link... and I could care less about the players coming out...seems kind of lame actually to speak up now.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
When else are you gonna speak?
Speaking out against your coach when he’s the one who also has personnel decisions seems like a real good way to get fired.
true... but why bother? rise above it, now that he's gone.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
My guess is because of the Broncos first African American coach, no?
Nothing to do with McDaniels.
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by underdog on Dec 6, 2010 6:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
This makes sense actually
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Bowlen, its quite clear this is the last hire to save your reputation
you put all the personnel decisions all on your last 2 coaches who had no problem with their O’s. If you hire another O guru and give him the personnel decisions, I will have a hard time watching the future games
I would love to know
after VideoGate how many people sent in there season ticket cancellation notices. This may have had far more to do with the firing than anything.
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possibly
I have a feeling that had a lot to do with it, but its quite clear giving personnel decisions to O gurus is not the way to go, and if Bowlen does it again he sould be labeled as the worst owner in football (although in no way do I think he is)
What do they call it when you do the same thing repeatedly and expect different results…?
Come on
A hire that didn’t work out, Shannahan wasn’t a bad hire by any means. McDaniels and Wade are his only ones that haven’t worked out.
Shanahan wasn't a bad hire
he did very well with good personnel. But he was fired because he didnt make good personnel decisions, and thats got to be a huge reason why McD was fired (although probably not the only one)
What do they call it when you do the same thing repeatedly and expect different results…?
quit it. Really?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
quit what?
were you happy with Shanny’s last 3 years? werent we hoping to bring in a coach to make good personnel decisions?
The same song and dance has occured in Denver for the past 5 years, I, and clearly you as well, dont want it to happen in the near future, and hopefully ever
I loved Shanny. I hear you though. But you can't call Shanny a bad hire for Christ's sake!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
No of course not I love Shanny too!
But all I’m saying though is that Bowlen will prove he lost his mind if he hires another O guru and gives him too much personnel power.
Shefter and Mort
Reporting that Calhoun is a candidate. Someone please explain to me his credintials and why this is even possible?
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:05 PM MST reply actions
If this is true I'm going to be super pissed
obviously I’ll be a fan and root for them even if Satan is the coach, but Calhoun, a college coach?
Thanks but no thanks. I’ve had enough of the O gurus. We should proceed to fire Xanders, pick up a real GM, and let him make the decision
former Broncos assistant
former Texans OC
current HC @ AFA
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks
What is AFA’s record this year? Do they really run the triple option? We HAVE to bring in someone with previous HC experience, in my mind.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
agree on the previous HC experience
and yes they run the triple option. which is quite strange considering that Calhoun went from OC in the NFL to running the triple option.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
AFA is 8-4
We should’ve beat Utah, we had a bizarre case of fumblitus that day, and should’ve won at SDSU, but had a bad day tackling and had some bizarre calls go against us at the end. We easily could’ve won at Oklahoma, losing by three, and the triple offense was extremely effective that day. He really out-coached Stoops that day. The only game we didn’t have a chance at was TCU, and even that game was close in the first half, and we just got worn down in the second half. Then again, all those teams I listed along with teams Air Force beat had quite ridiculous size advantages up front.
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What might actually be the most important question...
Who is going to take over player personnel decisions? we need to find that person first. Then we can decide about HC. Unless we feel ok about Xanders (i wanna know more about how the personnel decisions have been made before i’m ok with this).
right. I'm curious too. I liked Xanders but...I suppose he should go. Hard to know from where I'm sitting.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
that might wait till the end of the season.
but yeah, how the personnel decisions have been made is kind of vague.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
Depends on how much power Xanders really had
If he was at all influentual in the personnel decisions of the last two years, I can assure you, he’s gone. Interestingly, the thing that could save his job is if he really had no power.
right. funny. He has to go.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
Gruden? Seriously you guys do not want him for a coach.
Take it from me he will not go anywhere with this team, he can only coach a winning team that someone else has built
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 6, 2010 6:07 PM MST reply actions
No to Gruden!!!
Look up what HIS ex players have to say about him!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
Kyle Orton "Something had to Change"
Per 9News.
Well, you are right Kyle, the coach and QB have to change.
Kyle and the other players should stay mum. No need to dog Josh now, when they were afraid to before!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed. Super Weak
Especially when McDaniels took you from NFL joke to legitimate NFL QB. Don’t like that one bit.
Was he really an NFL joke....?
Didn’t McD say he wanted Orton during the Cutler trade?
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He was the only one in NFL who said that
His value has gone up significantly since he was paired up with McD. Just like Cassell.
Well, I certainly do not dispute his abilities as a QB coach
and OC.
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this is the worst thing out of all of this
mcd was the reason orton was doing well. mcd praised orton at every juncture and gave him every opportunity. now that mcd is gone, all orton has to say is “something had to change”? bushleague.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
Well, him saying something had to change
was not necessarily an indictment of McD.
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given the context of the day so far
i believe it is a strong indication of his intent.
however, you are correct that it may not have been solely about mcd.
however, within the context that mcdaniels was fired today, and when asked about it, orton simply states “something had to change”, i find it more likely that it was in fact an indictment.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
I just found this additional comment
“From a personal standpoint, I’m disappointed because he was not only a head coach but a play caller,” said Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton. “I did really like him as a play caller. I think he’s a good coach. The players have to be held accountable, too. The way we’ve played is on us. You never want to see somebody fired.”
Does this change your viewpoint?
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ahh, interesting.
what i had seen reported was the change. could i have the link to that article?
hmm…more to think about.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
sure thing
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16791509
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ok, this goes into more detail than 9news
i still wish he had stuck up for him more.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
I'm sure the players that liked McD and the players that didn't
are between a rock and a hard place. They can’t really say too much either way….
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I wish you all luck
McDaniels may be an excellent offensive coordinator, but he seemed like a poor fit at HC for you guys from the very beginning. May your next coach do great things.
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Here is hoping we follow a similar path as the Falcons. They have been the model of an awesome turn around.
indeed!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
I hope so too
You’ve got a lot of young talent, especially at receiver, and it’s hard not to root for a turnaround. Hopefully Bowlen makes the right decisions.
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mey
was TB a popular desitation this year? no. That’s not going to be the issue.
We need to rebuild through the draft.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
TB did an inside hiring, didnt have to go out looking and Morris really wanted that job
This is a much different scenario. We need an outside guy to come in, and if a guy’s really good and has choice of Dallas and Minny over us I would definitly say he would and should take those jobs over us
fair point.
the thing is, its the NFL. people who don’t have NFL coaching jobs want them. it’s just the way it works. Dallas and Minny in my opinion will both hire their interim candidates b/c of CBA situation.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
right but rarely is a coach going to turn down a HC job
Buddy Nix said it, even Oakland gets calls wanting to be HC.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
Actually I think Denver is still a GREAT destination! Bowlen wants to win, we're active in Free Agency and we have a great history!! MANY guys would like to be here IMO.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
He meant it was unpopular for a big name coach looking to get back in
one who doesnt want to besmirch his record. I kinda agree. If I’m Gruden or billik or Cowher I wouldnt come here and probably have to suffer a sub .500 year next year unless we get an absolute DL stud, which even then makes that a stretch
Who's more patient than Cowher... he built that team for YEARS!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
Didnt have the rep then if I'm right
Now that he does, has a ring, and has a pretty good record, why would he take a year or 2 of bad years to besmirch that
BTW, I dont believe we will be a sub .500 team for a year or two, but I could see a big HC saying that
Well if we bring a defensive guy as HC
Could Ben McDaniels stay as OC?
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Ben?
dude came from HS coaching straight to here. Plus he’s strictly the QB coach, Mike McCoy is the OC, and thats in name only, McD called the plays
Just a thought
Buffalo ends up with no. 1 pick … Broncos hire Harbaugh … Trade Tebow and no. 1 pick to Bills … Pick Luck. Can you imagine?
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:22 PM MST reply actions
It wouldn't surpise me to see another QB taken
new FO could mean new franchise QB. If Luck were to fall to us then it wouldn’t shock me.
Witnessed Playoffs last: April 28, 2008
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Luck goes no. 1
No matter who is picking. Only way we get him is if new FO trades the house, plus Tebow, to move up.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
Bills dont end up with 1st pick
Panthers will. They truly are a terrible team and I cant see them winning another game… We’re not on their sched!
I think you're right
It was just a scenario that occurred to me as more plausable.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
Plus
Buff had the chance to trade up and get Tebow last draft. If they didnt want him then, I doubt they would want him now
Buff has their QB.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:29 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Frazier from the vikes if the vikings don't make him their HC
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Do we take a chance on a guy like Harbaugh after taking a chance on McD. Another hotshot youngster.
Harbaugh has HC experience.
We could use another Stanford infusion.
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I'd rather get Frazier or Garrett
Guys with NFL experience, but I’m guessing they both get hired in current spots. No to Calhoun!
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
Def no to Calhoun
college HC’s must have the worst track record in the NFL. Plus, AFA’s HC is not the best we can do, not by a longshot
Frazier's getting love in Vikeland though...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
true
but i’d love him. my dad works for Trinity International University, small private Christian school, and also where Frazier started. I’ve met the guy a few times, and he definitely is smart. The one knock is that he is very conservative with blitz packages, and relies on his front four to generate pressure and stop the run. Denver does not have the personell to run this defense currently.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
he can afford to be conservative with that front four!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
truth
but my statement is that Denver would have to switch back to a 4-3. Doom would most likely be placed back as a DE a la Jared Allen, but would probably be too small for Frazier’s scheme. Also, the draft would have to focus solely upon getting massive on the front line (which is what we were expecting anyways). I was simply stating that it will probably take a few years to create the defense Frazier is accustomed to, as we currently do not have the players necessary to execute his scheme. However, I am a fan of the guy and would support his hire.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 6, 2010 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
Garrett?
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Nah...
I know their O has always done well, but if as a fan base we didnt like the dinking and dunking of last year, wait till you see that guys route tree
No route tree?
I think DT would be down with that.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:27 PM MST reply actions
If that was to me
I meant that all the routes are short crap. That’s why Romo is unclutch, cuz when they need him to go downfield, he doesnt cuz he never does till the 4th quarter
Meant to post that as a reply
But it was just an attempt at levity. Obviously, we need DT to go deep.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:29 PM MST up reply actions
Haven't studied... Look forward to the MHR staff getting a list together. But my only like right now are Cowher, Harbaugh ...or Jimmy Johnson lol
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Here's a name
Rob Ryan. I dont like his brother but there’s no denying how well Rob has done with a D so devout of talent.
interesting.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
But I'd like a guy we can all ralley behind...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
I admit not a fan of all the smack talking
but getting a proven DC as a HC, one who would hopefully keep the O intact, and hopefully with an experienced GM would be an ideal scenario for us going forward
a proven DC is not a proven HC.
we need someone that knows how to be a HC, even if it is at the college level.
by black_knight101 on Dec 6, 2010 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
I want a coach that UNDERSTANDS the AFC West and the rivalries: Marty (as GM), Gruden, Rob Ryan...
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Marty!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
WB...what about Dennison??? WIth experienced GM and OC and DC....he bled Orange and Blue....
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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Like it
If we bring in a sharp OC and more importantly, a GM to make wise personnel decision.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
So does Josh's brother leave with him?
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Post is reporting
That entire coaching staff is being retained through the end of the season, including Ben McDaniels.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Dec 6, 2010 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
Awkward much at the family reunion?
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Can't say this is a happy day
Being 3-9 and having to fire a coach is not a happy day no matter who the coach is. Whether you liked McDaniels or disliked him, having to fire a coach means you aren’t successful so there are no happy days.
I would have liked to seen McDaniels get another year, but understand why he wasn’t also. No matter who they hire, just want to see our Broncos back where they belong, in the playoffs.
I admit I was afraid we'd waste another year with Josh but this isn't a happy day. It's the day I've dreaded since the beginning honestly. Wasted years are NO CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
Bowlen = Davis
It’s come to this. Sell the team and retire sir.
This is all on Bowlen.
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dislike.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
Not yet
if he hires another O guru and gives him god like power again, then yeah.
But if he makes a sensible hire then no.
There’s no denying tho that his rep is on the line
Because of a bad hire
Come on, things didn’t work out and he’s changing directions. No hire is a sure fire bet. Bowlen’s track record has been successful, so give him some credit.
Per ESPN
Winner Percentages of Broncos Coaches
2009-10 Josh McDaniels .393
1995-2008 Mike Shanahan .616
1993-94 Wade Phillips .500
1981-92 Dan Reeves .600
1977-80 Red Miller .645
1972-76 John Ralston .507
Well,
I’ll certainly miss how much Josh says certainly.
And it will certainly be a year of firsts for Colorado football fans. Maybe the Broncos can hire Dan Hawkins, I hear he’s available.
"West Coast Seattle boy-The Jimi Hendrix Anthology-" Get it.
I certainly hope not on the Hawkins question.
But I certainly agree with your other points
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2011 Colorado Zombies--Will rise from beneath homeplate with the shards of a broken season in Tulo's hand!
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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Good luck McD!
Just too many distractions on the team with Josh. important for Bowlen to hire a qualified general manager first before any HC candidates are considered. Let the GM pick the next coach. Bowlen made a terrible error in judgement when he gave Josh the GM keys to the franchise. It was destined to fail from the beginning. Just too much for a 32 yr old OC.
Voted No!
I see where we are with a new defensive boss every year, now we’re going to try it with the head coach too? Ugh.
So freaking happy
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
I'm shocked that Bowlen made this move now and didn't even wait until the end of the season.
Some people got nothing to be angry about so they're angry about nothing. - Doug Stanhope
I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. - Thomas Jefferson
lol
i love that some rec’d this just in case someone didn’t get the news.
Witnessed Playoffs last: April 28, 2008
Sincerely yours, Tortured T.O Fan
He’d be insane not to.
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: What's Luck Got to do with it?
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 6, 2010 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
Some interesting takes nationally:
sorry, but DJ wasn't McD's fault was he?
the DUI was listed as an off field issue for McD. now they’re just fishing…
Philippians 4:6-7
by Tollyvolley127 on Dec 7, 2010 2:00 AM MST up reply actions
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