Poll of the Week - 2/1/10 - Are You Picking Up What Brandon Marshall is Putting Down?
By now we have all heard the quote. Brandon Marshall, after scoring a 23-yard touchdown for the AFC, was interviewed by Suzy Kolber on the sideline. Kolber, as expected, attempted to get Marshall to say something stupid, or at least add to the soap-opera that is the Denver Broncos locker room - to some in the media, anyway.
To Brandon's credit, he said all the right things - as he has this entire off-season. Specifically, when asked about his unhappiness in Denver, and his benching the final week of the season, Marshall said this -
I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there.
UPDATE - Josh McDaniels was on Vic and Gary this morning and, of course, the topic of Brandon Marshall came up. Like Marshall, McDaniels is saying all the right things -
McDaniels on B-Marsh comments - "Exactly the way I feel. We are all past that situation."
McDaniels on chances B-Marsh is a Bronco - "There is uncertainty with CBA so there is no way to commit to what can happen"
McDaniels - "There are a lot of situations that a player and coach go through and they end up together."
McDaniels - "Right now we now Brandon is a Denver Bronco and we are happy that he is a Denver Bronco"
So, this poll is a pretty simple one - one that will, once again, require a simple yes or no answer.
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I think at this point he knows he's no longer wanted.
In which case he can say the right things to the media and the fans knowing that if the team gets rid of him he won’t look like the bad guy.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Feb 1, 2010 8:07 AM MST reply actions
Thanks John, I believe I'll hold with my earlier observation...
I think after the distractions of the off season. Josh McDaniels went to Brandon Marshall
and said: Hey you give it your all this season, and I’ll see to it that you get your 100 catches,
and help you get paid. After BM got his 100 catches ( a Pro Bowl birth ) he quit…more less…
So my vote…is a No.
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Feb 1, 2010 8:23 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Great minds... :)
I posted thoughts earlier in the Horse Tracks thread on this very topic.
I do believe him, and I’ve seen nothing to make me think anything is boiling under the surface between BMarsh and McD.
I hope I’m correct on my analysis that began the day of the KC game. I think this was blown way out of proportion by the media and some fans as well. He will be back.
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
+1
I am really starting to believe that a lot of what happened is a direct result of his agent. I think a lot of times players’ agents are the people responsible for encouraging their players to “stir the pot” a little bit from time to time (not to mention a lot of times players try not to make big deals over their injuries and as a result sometimes no one knows and we think the player is wimping out on us and his teammates). Brandon just seems like a nice likable guy and I really am starting to believe him. I hope he stays.
Do I think we could do just fine without him? Absolutely. But do I ultimately want him and think he should stay? Absolutely. So far, I have no reason to distrust him. Unless something serious were to really break loose between now and April, I think he stays.
by NxtYrNvrArrives on Feb 1, 2010 8:49 PM MST up reply actions
When he was interviewed by Michael Irvin....
around week four or so, he mentioned that his agent is his mentor. I think his uncle too, so I could be wrong. But I have yet to see anyone blaming all this on his agent actually name this guy…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
What difference does it make?
If someone is misbehaving, the reason why may be of interest to a psychiatrist but I really don’t care whether it is because of his agent, his wife, his drinking, his rotten childhood or whatever it may be. Now, MAYBE if he had changed agent, got divorced entered an alchoholics anonymous program or were receiving psychological counceling, you might legitimately claim you think things have changed for the better but in lieu of any such development, you optimism appears groundless.
I have no reason to distrust him.
This must be what is commonly referred to as “blind trust.”
The way I see it...
it really doesn’t matter whether I believe what he says or not. Marshall is a great receiver and a head case a the same time. But, I still believe there is more to the story than what we know or ever will. Frankly I’m okay with that. If everything works to him staying in Denver I also okay with that. I think there has been way too much, “what can we get for Marshall” stuff going on. Because of what is going on with the CBA I’m starting to think there will be a lot less movement of players than we’ve seen in the past, IMO. And that is already affecting the way teams are looking at this off season. The next few months will get very interesting.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
He's lying...
My first thought was, “Wow, that’s awesome!” My second thought was, “That dirty rat.”
This is about the ninth time he’s played nice and said he’s letting bygones be bygones. I believed him times one through eight. I can’t believe him time nine.
by MarshallMcCard on Feb 1, 2010 8:40 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
We'll see what happens
I’d love to keep a guy this talented on the team but only if he can be mature and play hard every snap. Of course we’ll never know if he’ll do that but talent wise you can’t replace a guy like that. I’ve never been an all out advocate for trading him but I also don’t think we should keep him no matter what either. To echo what bchiper said above it doesn’t matter what I think anyway and there’s always stuff behind the scenes that we’ll never know about. I just would like to see a resolution one way of another so we can move on to fixing the rest of the team. If we are to believe McD, not saying we should or shouldn’t, the team may be waiting to see what happens with the CBA. Either way I’m getting tired of the story.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Feb 1, 2010 8:54 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I was YES but am now NO
I believed him when he said all this after his suspension in training camp. Colour me doubtful at the moment.
I don't believe any thing Marshall says
Not necessarily because I think he’s lying, but because he doesn’t have all his ducks in a row; he doesn’t have all his oars in the water; and he’s been through the metal detector too many times.
Take it easy. But take it. Studs Terkel
On the contrary...
I think he completely has his ducks in a row. He knows exactly what he’s doing, and his whole game is entirely calculated. That’s why I don’t believe him.
by MarshallMcCard on Feb 1, 2010 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
While a little intriguing (I guess)
it doesn’t really matter what we think. When it comes to negotiating a contract (or the other business end of things) it’s kind of like politics – it’s Kabuki theater and one is never sure whether anything is real. I hope we keep him as I believe he’s coachable, will mature somewhat and is pretty much an irreplaceable talent on this team, at least as of today.
Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, with a yes.
It’s difficult to answer the poll because I want Brandon if he wants Denver but I don’t want Brandon if he’s going to continue to have transgressions and malfeasances. At this point, I’m not sure, but I voted yes, because I like to believe that he’s a man of his word and will work something out with the Broncos (and he’d better not quit on his team again or get in trouble with the law).
As the old saying goes:
Fool me once….. strike one. But fool me twice….. strike.. three. (something like that, anyways) ;-) He better be telling us the truth, this time.
I’m just tired of this situation going back and forth. Does Brandon want to be here or not? Does McD want him out or not? Did Marshall quit on the team or not? I have no idea the answers to these questions because they seem to change on a day to day basis. I’d just love for this to get resolved so we don’t have to speculate, one way or the other.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by Troy Hufford on Feb 1, 2010 9:27 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
YES
Marshall is not a liar. He has allways let his feelings at the time be known (which, incidently, is part of what gets him in trouble).
All of us will feel differently about the same situation at different times – but most of us don’t go around sharing those different feelings with everybody. Something happened in week 17 (maybe all that losing) that made Marshall unhappy about being a Bronco. Now that time has gone by, he is happy again.
I have no problem what so ever with him being a Bronco. We know his personality now, and it is not something we can’t live with. If just people would stop blowing every little thing he says out of proportion all the time.
Marshall has said himself that he has learned a lot about the business side of the NFL
I think he is more careful now about what he says. It might be the truth, it might not. All we really know at this point, is that he is saying the right things.
I voted no because that was my opinion before his interview. As far as I’m concerned, nothing he says will change my opinion of this situation, unless of course it is “I have signed a new contract for the Broncos.”
Good business sense would appear to call for McX and Co. to place the high tender on BM
Considering all the pros and cons from both sides, this would make the most sense…If another Team then wants to go after him it would force the situation for the Broncos to decide if they want to (continue to tolerate this issues or) match and keep him or take the draft picks and move on…I would prefer to move on but I would not be surprised (or dissapointed?) if McD believes that he can work with Brandon and is willing to take the gamble that he would stay the straight and narrow and avoid another league (or Team) suspension…VERY tough decision for McX and Co. but I am confident that they will think it through completely and make the best of the situation…
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
Could you add another poll? Do we believe what McD said? That's the vote that matters most to me! Did Coach lie?
I don’t know if he really wants to be here… I want him here.
…just watched Ray Caruth on first take… BM’s a damn angel.
Who knows?
He can stay or he can go..The important thing is that this soap opera with the Broncos the last few years got to stop so we can concentrate on football. Go Broncos!!
I voted No
because I think he’s just saying what he’s been told to say.
That said, my experience in 2009 has been that it is pointless to try & second-guess what McDaniels will do in any given situation. I’m inclined to believe, based on this past year (Marshall acts out, gets benched, is promised if he produces he’ll get paid, he produces, gets benched) if Bowlen does what he says he’d do & give Marshall a fair contract (fair, IMHO, would be to pay Marshall in line with what other top possession receivers (ala Wes Welker) make, as opposed to one of the top 5 in the league) Marshall may respond to the benching by coming back & producing again. The intangible at this point, IMO, is whether or not the Denver Front Office has any interest in continuing to play this game with Marshall.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
yep, that's the bottom line. Does the front office want to keep him. I hope so.
Your pay range sounds right too. He’s top five talent but his ‘issues’ drop that down… Let’s get him paid and get whatever production we can from him, it’s been pretty damn good thus far.
…unless we can get a Peppers type (without the silly 20 million $ price tag they owe him) or a solid, above average starter and a 1st… I think the smart move is to keep him.
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 1, 2010 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
I think they were both telling the truth.
When they said “We’re past that”, they were both being truthful. My impression is that the bridge is not only burned, but collapsed into the river and beyond repair. Brandon wants out, and the Coach agrees. All that is left is to work out the details on compensation. Next year the Reality Show that is BM’s career will be televised from a different venue.
+1
Agreed, I mean what is Marshall suppose to say on National TV " I can’t stand the guy and want out in the worst way ". Ofcourse not. By being POLITICALLY CORRECT Marshall keeps his market value up or at least assures it does not tank. Good PR move by Marshall and his agent.
I don't care
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
+1
Make it stop
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 1, 2010 6:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
lol!
rec’d
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Feb 1, 2010 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
My guess...
is that Brandon sees his value falling and may realize his best bet at a decent payday is right where he is.
I think this is the closest scenario.
Remember when Cutler was playing his woe-is-me game with McDaniels and Bowlen? At the very end when he finally got his trade wasn’t one of the first things he said something to the effect that he never intended it to go that far? I think Marshall has been playing a game too, but I don’t think Marshall will play it out as far as Cutler did. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
What makes this any different?
I’ve invested more than enough time and words hoping that Marshall had seen the ills of his ways and was sincere about his commitment to his teammates, coaches, and owner.
It was all bullsh** then and I’ve seen no evidence from yesterday’s comments which would lead me to believe otherwise.
Be mindful that his comments came right after he was being celebrated for scoring a TD ala his post-game hug with McD after his huge TD in the Cowbows game. Of course everything is rainbows and unicorns when you’re being celebrated. It’s how Marshall responds to adversity and scrutiny which I measure his professionalism and commitment. THAT is what I’d be focusing on if I was the one who was responsible for giving him that second contract.
Just my opinion….
by pshin8670 on Feb 1, 2010 10:58 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
He may well mean it BUT
It doesn’t matter. He probably meant it when he promised himself he was done hitting women but in the heat of the moment, that all goes out the window. He is and will continue to be a disruption for whichever team he is on. Denver will be better off with a good trade.
If he hit you... we'd see the marks.
Her too I reckon.
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 1, 2010 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
And therein lies the biggest problem.
Even with my armchair pscychology, it sure seems apparent that B-Marsh still has impulse control problems…
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
what youngster doesn't
but don’t call him a women hitter. He’d be in jail if he were.
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 1, 2010 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me seven times, shame on me.
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 1, 2010 12:25 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
With #8 likely in the hopper!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Feb 1, 2010 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
What happens if BM and McD stay together?
Really nothing bad. BM will probably get tendered and nobody offers more so BM plays 2010 at $2.7 million (?). Does he get an extention? Not yet.
Sure messes up the mocks though!!
Take McClain at #10/11 and JD Walton at #45. Thanks for coming.
Hard to believe anything in the NfL
The first thing I learn about the NFL is nobody is for sure what is going to happen until it does. I work here in AZ and I had the pleasure to do work with Jamie kennedy. Man was he funny, anyway he was 100% positive BMarsh was going to the Ravens. him and Bmarsh were good friends along with other Bronco players.I was so bummed about that. Ya he is a good as gone he kept saying. We went and talked football, he talked I listened. I am not an expert so it was to learn from an actual player. One thing that he said that got me thinking why Shanny might have been fired was the fact the players were starting to get frustrated and felt he was saying one thing to them and doing another. They lost trust in him as a coach. Even some the vested veterans. I just have to think that this isn’t good for the younger players to grasp. Hence the whiney actions from that younger players like Cuts,BMarsh, and sheft. Well unless I work or am a fly on wall I sit back wait for Draft day and wish for the best for my beloved Broncos.
For the love of the animals. 24
Another Ram
We should give Adam Archuleta a chance. I got to work with him also. this guy is a class act. Down to earth. He said that during the Draft he was contacted by the Broncos and he was their man. I remember wanting him to play for the Broncos. I know this is along shot. Maybe just have decent people on the team. I told him I try..lol
For the love of the animals. 24
by Earthtiger24 on Feb 1, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Was towards the end of the summer.
Right before he was heading back for camp or something else for football.
For the love of the animals. 24
I want to believe in Brandon Marshall
but it is simply too hard to get past my cynicism. In our world, everyone fuzzes the edges of the truth to create “plausible deniability” so they can say one thing and do another. If Marshall or the Broncos were to tell the outright truth, then poof there goes any leverage their side might have. So they will hedge, weasel and outright lie to maintain that edge.
Until he signs a long-term contract, I am skeptical about Marshall professing his love for Denver. Until I see Marshall take the field in a Broncos uniform on opening day, I am skeptical about Denver professing their love for Marshall.
If Marshall has to leave, I will bid him fond farewell and hope the Broncos do everything in their power to maximize his trade value and find adequate replacements. If Marshall can continue to overcome his past and be a productive Broncos player and citizen, I will cheer for him.
Money
I actually think Brandon Marshall does not have any desire to leave Denver. I think the guy just wants to be paid market value, and if Denver is the team that writes that check, that would be just fine with him. Whether McDaniels et al. think that paying Marshall market value is a wise investment is a separate question, and is IMO a difficult one.
And I think the rub for both sides
is what constitutes “fair market value.”
From what I’ve read Marshall sees himself as a top talent ala Larry Fitzgerald (10.9 million), Randy Moss (9.8 mil), Chad Ochocinco (7.7 mil), or Terrell Owens (6.2 mil).
Denver (and others), from what I’ve read, see Marshall as more of a possession receiver ala Wes Welker (3.9 mil) or Brandon Stokley (3.9 mil).
I would see nothing wrong to bumping Marshall up to the level of a Stokley or a Welker. I’m not sure that his numbers support a higher contract:
3rd in receptions
14th in yards
19th in average (among the 23 receivers with 1000+ yards)
11th in yards/game
7th in TD’s
13th in First Downs
etc
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 1, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Smart on everyone's part
The key to this situation is leverage. Last year Marshall had none, then acted like a fool and left the Broncos with little thus hurting his own best interest. If everyone sings Kumbya and toes the company line market forces should prevail. If the team would like to keep him they would know what the try market would bare and be able to price it accordingly. If they think that calculation is too much, then they know what type of compensation they are due.
This is positive on both sides. If he continues to act porfessionally and we want to keep him we are going to have to pay true market rather than an “untouchable primadona discount” because no other teams wants the risk. Conversely more teams would likely be in the bidding at that point to.
then and now
Marshall’s comment about loving Denver only reminds us of what he said then:
Denver Broncos Pro Bowl wide receiver Brandon Marshall said he wanted to be traded more than 18 months ago and said he “hated Denver,” according to documents obtained by the CALL7 Investigators.
Marshall was arrested on suspicion of DUI on Oct. 22, 2007, and according to the police report, he started verbally attacking the city of Denver and saying he wanted to leave the Broncos.
“I hate Denver. I hope I get traded. I hate this f******* city,” an officer wrote in the police report.
"I think that we’ve known Brandon Marshall is interested in a change of scenery, and I think these comments show that that change of scenery is probably not very new in his thinking its something that dates back to his arrest," Schefter said. "These are some deep-seated feelings that came out during this incident and now they have come to light."
no goats, no glory.
In Marshall's defense
It’s easy to say you hate the City of Denver when you’re drunk and just got cited for DUI by the City of Denver.
I wouldn’t base my opinion of his feelings about Denver solely off of that. It’s helpful to consider, but we need to realize that things can be said in the heat of the moment in situations like these even when that’s not how someone truley feels.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Of more concern than what he said
is that he got arrested (yet again).
In Marshall’s defense……………………………………… just got cited for DUI by the City of Denver.
That you would consider the circumstances of a DUI as being “in Marshall’s defense” is indeed illustrative of his despicable character.
I wasn't commenting on Marshall's character
Just commenting on that singular quote that Marshall gave while being cited for DUI. Nothing more nothing less. Infer away if you want.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
I would have been surprise
if Brandon had sung his praises of Denver while he was being arrested for DUI. What ever happened to taking things in context?
not here buddy.
Boy if McD got a DUI… we’d be talking about the ridiculousness of the .08 limit.
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 1, 2010 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
WB,
hypotheticals are just that. McD hasn’t proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s a bad coach. BM has proven that he is prone to trouble, acts out in unprofessional ways, and speaks out both sides of his mouth. That’s on record. You can suspect McD of that, and read what you want to into his coachspeak, but until you have something solid against McD, I’ll trust the guy, JUST LIKE I gave BM the benefit of the doubt SO MANY times before. I’d even probably do it again. But I’m talking about Marshall, and I still don’t get why McD gets dragged through this every time Marshall says a word to the media.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Sorry, missed your point there...
McD get’s brought up because it’s his job to field the best team possible and that includes ‘managing’ personalities… even flaky ones (imagine that, a flaky 25 year old millionaire !) …and it’s becoming a growing theme that McD doesn’t think he has to.
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 1, 2010 8:21 PM MST up reply actions
I high school varsity coaches can bench whoever they want
and not deal with certain personalities, “just ’cause,” don’t you think a professional coach should be able to do the same? I have faith that McD will be able to assemble a team of players with both talent AND class. Why is that so much to ask? Some folks want to cling to the talent for talent’s sake. I think that’s a mistake.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
3 years ago....things and people change in 3yrs ...
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Colinski, you just cited Adam Schefter as a credible source...
-1
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Its more like it just kind of stuck to my shoes.
I didn’t really have any choice in the matter.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
I think BMarsh might have a lack of imagination....
His quote is almost verbatim of something Jay Cutler said this time last year…..
If he is sincere then I would love to have him on our team. I will find out how sincere he is come September when he is either a Bronco or is not.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
what does shanny have to do with anything? ;)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
nothing really..
just that he always did lie detector tests and so i figured he might own a… and then we could borrow… and… eh… i still think it was funny. and really, if you don’t like your own jokes, who will?
oh wow
I totally forgot about the lie-detector tests… Oh Shanny… I don’t miss him, but I miss him, you know?
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 1, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
my sentiments
exactly, Mr. Styg.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Feb 1, 2010 9:39 PM MST up reply actions
shite I forgot about that too! Maybe we could borrow it?
lmao
Oh yeah, I’m a huge fan of humor that only i get… makes it funnier somehow.
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 1, 2010 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
wow...
knowing that now, I feel even better with the direction bowlen is taking us. If they’re inadmissable in court (for good reason…they are made of fail), they’re inadmissable everywhere else.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Over the years, being in clinic, I met a lot of people like BM
Do I believe him? Well, if you’re asking if I believe that HE believed it in that exact moment – sure. folks like him always do. As far as "We’re past that ", no one got specific with him on what precisely that meant. Again – I’m sure that he believes what he says in the moment it comes out. Is is trustworthy? “Child, please….”
I recall Pat Bowlen’s remarks and I believe from them that they want him there and are willing to pay for the privilege. And, I think that there will be as many riders with regard to behavior and bonuses for performance as they can get him to sign, too.
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
This could come down to some decent timing and a lucky break or two?
Doc, you’ve got me to about 50-50 whether he stays or goes…how do you do the voodoo you do?
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 1, 2010 6:41 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
When it came to acupuncture
“I do that voodoo that we do so well……”
Yet when it comes to predicting that kind of egocentric (yet often benign) behavior, I’ve got a quarter we could flip….lol
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
All this talk being said about marshall Its just one giant Question mark
What i am more worried about and what the broncos should be worried about is how
to get eddie royal out of the 2009 seasons funk and get him right and ready to produce
for the 2010 season . Just sayin ..
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 1, 2010 6:47 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Abso MF lutely.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Word!!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Feb 1, 2010 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
Scully, I WANT to believe.
However, as other posters have mentioned, this smacks of the way Cutler left. It got tense, then we thought it was smoothed over, and then BAM! He’s gone and we are all running around trying to find ways to justify getting behind Kyle Orton.
This is now the McX Files.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
There is so much unknowns out there with the whole CBA situation.
I voted “Yes” with the hope that there is some truth to what he is saying, however you never really know what is going to happen with the Brandon Marshall roller coaster. I honestly hope he stays because he is one of the top talented WRs in the league and a big asset to our offense.
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