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Does drafting Tim Teabow make sense for the Broncos?


As the combine rapidly approaches and we head into free agency, I can obviously see that there are two distinct camps regarding the possibility of Tim Teabow being drafted by the Broncos.  One camp, lead by many, who see Teabow as a bona-fide winner, with unique intangibles, who despite his deficiencies in possessing proper footwork, accuracy, and mechanics can be molded into a great NFL QB.  And then there is the other camp that have a hard time looking past those deficiencies and seeing a top prospect who can become a top NFL QB.  I would count myself into the second camp.  But it really doesn’t matter what camp you fall into, what really matters is what Josh McDaniels thinks Tim Teabow can do and how he would fit into what he wants to do.  When you look at it through Josh McDaniels perspective, I think Tim Teabow gets eliminated from the competition pretty quickly.

What we know from Josh McDaniels is that he wants a QB who is accurate and makes good decisions and won’t take unnecessary risk.  The fact is that is generally what every coach wants.  The ability to scramble and be a running QB is a nice aspect, but not critical, in fact maybe even detrimental to the offense that McDaniels wants to run.  He doesn’t have bootlegs or waggles, having pocket presence and ability to move and slide in the pocket is a better asset.  One other critical aspect is having a quick release and having the ability to deliver the ball accurately and on time.  The key to the bubble screen and other quick screens is having the ball there in time and in place for the WR to be able to run with the ball and make a person miss.  In addition, I think McDaniels would also like someone who has good touch on deep throws that can hit guys in stride.  When we look at Teabow, he suffers in all of these aspects, his accuracy is poor, mainly due to poor mechanics and footwork, his delivery is late and his balls tend to float. 

All of these issues you may say can be corrected, and maybe they can.  But I doubt they are going to be corrected in one off-season.  The quandary that McDaniels would have if he does draft Teabow, is that it would likely be in the first three rounds and it would be a signal that Kyle Orton is not the future and Teabow is.  The expectations from much of the fan base will be to get Teabow out on the field early and often, especially if Orton continues to perform in lackluster ways.  Think of the pressure to get Cutler on the field when Plummer was here, and times that by about 100, and Plummer was coming off a trip to the AFC Championship game.

However, after this past season, McDaniels is going to be under increased pressure to get the Broncos into the playoffs, and having to develop a QB like Teabow and try to get Orton (assuming Orton is back) the coaching he will need to do with both QB’s will be immense.  And unless the Broncos have a spectacular season, there will be increased pressure with every loss to give Teabow the starting nod, especially if the offense continues to struggle.  I think that McDaniels honestly does not want to have to answer week in and week out why Teabow doesn’t play, even though Teabow may be a two or three year project just to be ready to start.  Remember, the mantra going into last season was we will win now, leave the rebuilding to someone else.  Vets like Dawkins, Bailey, A. Davis,  and Buckhalter don’t want to be on a team that is rebuilding, they want to win now, trying to rebuild on the fly with a QB who will have a step learning curve is not going to build team morale.

The final question that McDaniels has to answer is can he and Tim Teabow coexist?  Granted I don’t think Teabow will have the same reactions as Jay Cutler, but let’s face the facts.  McDaniels is a demanding coach who doesn’t mince words or actions and can seem to act in rash ways, Tim Teabow by contrast is a very devout Christian who wants to win but generally is not cussing out teammates or used to the McDaniels style.  And normally I would not care one way or another, but you have to ask yourself if McDaniels is screaming at Teabow and calling him some choice four letter words, how will Teabow react.  It may be an issue that Teabow is too nice of a guy to thrive under McDaniels coaching.  McDaniels has to look at a QB that he will be “married to” for at least five years, can those two types of personalities coexist.  How does Teabow answer the questions on his Christianity in respect to his head coach blasting explicit laced tirades on the sidelines?  Something has to give, and I don’t see either the coach or player being in any way wanting to change their styles or beliefs. 

While my opinion is that Teabow is a project type QB that will require a lot of good coaching, patience, and luck to become a starting caliber QB, I think if you look at it through McDaniels eyes, drafting Teabow doesn’t make a lot a sense.  He needs a QB that is closer to starting than Teabow is, he needs a QB that is more accurate and has a quicker release than Teabow, and he has to ask if the pressure of taking someone with as high a profile as Teabow will be something that McDaniels will want to deal with.   I think McDaniels can likely find a QB more fitting what he wants in the same rounds (2-4) and not have to deal with the pressure of dealing with Teabow questions every week. 

Teabow lovers, feel free to flame away.   

 

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Will the Broncos draft Tim Teabow?
Yes, he is ordained to be a Denver Bronco.
20 votes
No, no need for another Florida Gator bust on our team.
79 votes
I just want the offseason to be over.
24 votes

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Tebow probably doesn't fit here, I agree, and for many ot the technical aspects you suggest.

But I doubt he is very thin-skinned about cursing, demanding coaches, etc. In fact, I suspect that in view of his outspoken approach about his beliefs, he has the skin of a rhino. He certainly doesn’t mind making himself a potential target on a sensitive subject.

by idahobronc on Feb 1, 2010 9:11 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd this

for its great common sense. Besides, Tebow is definitely a “fiery” personality, so that meshes well.

Think about this, Broncoman (or anyone else): Tebow obviously heard plenty of profanities while in the locker room at Florida. How do you think he handled it? Well, regardless of how, he obviously did. This won’t be an issue at all.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 2, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

I do not doubt that he has heard his share of profanities

The difference is that he has not had a coach calling him and his teamates every four letter word on the sideline in front of national TV audience, you know the media is going to focus on that aspect. Teabow wears his faith very publicly and I admire that, but you know someone is going to ask, “How do you profess your beliefs and have a HC that acts in a contradictory actions to your beliefs”. Again, a lot of players are pretty devout religously, so most times I don’t see it as an issue, but due to Teabow’s profile in the media, the increased media scutinity with Teabow coming to Denver, I don’t think it is a simple issue to dismiss as he has heard it before, Urban Meyer is definately not the same personailty as McDaniels and Teabow has been sheltered in some respects.

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by Broncoman on Feb 2, 2010 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

I dont think Brian Dawkins has a problem with it...and he is a HUGE man of faith!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Feb 2, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

haha, you read my mind.

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by Troy Hufford on Feb 2, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Again, it is apples and oranges

Dawkins plays on the defense, most of the time, I had not seen McDaniels cursing out the defense. Maybe it is not an issue, but being that McDaniels is the HC/OC, he interacts most with the QB, and basically the QB and the HC are the face of the franchise, I can’t believe there won’t be some questions from the media.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

by Broncoman on Feb 2, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

I just thought of Brian Dawkins, while reading this thread.

His coach said MF on national television, uncensored, and he didn’t say boo about it. I’m sure that if Tebow came to Denver, Dawkins would be the first to talk to him. As a fellow christian, Dawkins would probably have a long discussion with Tebow about it and take him under his wing in the offseason.

It just seems like something that Dawk would do. I don’t see thin skin being a problem for Tebow in Denver, especially when he has a very strong and respected christian leader of the locker room in his corner, guiding him along the way.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Feb 2, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

OK, seriously....

his lack of accuracy would be a huge problem in this style of offense, and quite honestly, he is not as fast as everyone thinks he is, so his ability to “create” on the fly is overrated. I think he is a good kid with a good head on his shoulders, but he just isn’t ready to be an NFL quarterback.

If there is one consistency with Urban Meyer, its that his QBs have not translated well to the NFL.

by quinnsdad on Feb 1, 2010 9:15 PM MST up reply actions  

That is a good point

I always hesitate also with these kids coming out of spread offenses.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

by Broncoman on Feb 2, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Great points Q!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Feb 2, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Tom B.

With due respect, our QB future is Brandstater. We could groom Brandstater just as easily as Tebow, and with Tom we’ve already got a year head-start. Give the kid a serious look.

by oorange blood on Feb 1, 2010 9:24 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

not buying Bstater...

But could somebody please make a Teabag joke….

…spelling B-man!
lol

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 1, 2010 9:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldnt mind him here

but I dont thnik McD would want him. Although he proved his ability to throw in the pocket v Cincy, I just dont think he showed enough for McD to pull the trigger. Mayb if he fell late, say the 5th, I mite see it if no one is there McD wants. but thats a stretch as I feel some1 will overdraft him

by DBroncs1414 on Feb 1, 2010 9:34 PM MST reply actions  

I McDaniels does want a QB, if Tom Brandstater isn't working out..

I say we get Dan LeFevour from Central Michigan. He definitely looks like a guy that McDaniels would love, and be able to create a great quarterback out of.

Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.

by stedtfeld on Feb 1, 2010 9:44 PM MST reply actions  

Sorry for the second comment, but

it just occurred to me that Al Davis is drafting ahead of us. ’nuf said.

by idahobronc on Feb 1, 2010 9:48 PM MST reply actions  

I wanted to choose no..........

But it was too harsh.

KINGS WILL BE 09-10 CHAMPIONS

by haze0945 on Feb 1, 2010 10:10 PM MST reply actions  

Yowza, that is quite a reply

Are you working PR for the Tim & the Gators? jk ;D

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by jibbons on Feb 1, 2010 10:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Rec'd for sure.

All points are very well made.

Broncoman, I have to totally disagree with you on your comments about Tebow’s faith. Like Sayre said, it is totally unfair to judge him based on that. He is vocal about it and I respect him for it just like I do Dawkins.

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by weazel on Feb 1, 2010 11:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Rec'd

I’m still not totally sold on Tebow, but you did an absolutely amazing job of stating your opinion and backing it up with facts (and opinions). You have convinced me to continue looking into Tebow, and you never know, maybe I will be riding that Tebow bandwagon with you by draft day.

Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.

by stedtfeld on Feb 1, 2010 11:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I would pass on Tebow

but Sayre’s comment will now turn green.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Feb 2, 2010 7:36 AM MST up reply actions  

rec

on the topic of guys like McShay, everyone should do there best to stop listening to guys like that and do your best to analyze these players with your own eyes.
go on youtube and watch highlight tapes for 10 minutes and you will gain infinitely more knowledge then 10 minutes of listening to McShay.

you have McShay saying Tebow will never be an NFL QB and then you have guys like Jon Gruden saying he will change the QB position forever, and Michael Lombardi saying he will go in the first round and comparing him to Steve Young.

Byron Leftwhich had the same slow release as Tebow, he has a stronger arm, but less mobility and intangibles (and keep in mind that was one of leftwhich’s major positives). He went 7th overall.

also, the quickness of a persons release is irrelevent on bubble screens, the blocking is set up immediately by the WR’s, and an additional half second to release is irrelevent when compared to the time needed to get down field to block.
the comment about Tebow not having deep ball accuracy is when i stopped reading this post, anyone who has watched Tebow play knows if there is any pass that he throws well, it is the deep ball.

by DW76 on Feb 2, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Response from a realist

Okay, first off it is “Leadership” not “Leardership”. The fact that you can’t even spell out such a simple word from our language shows that you don’t have any idea what the word means or whether he has the capability.

1. Leadership – your problem here is that he has to be able to play and play well before ANYONE in the locker room will listen to what he says.

2. Toughness – No argument here…Tebow is a tough cookie indeed. It takes more than just this though.

3. Versatility – What??? He can play TE and be a trick guy running the “Wild Horses” stuff? How in hades will that translate into him being a NFL QB??? He can’t throw accurately, his footwork is the suck, and his release takes longer than Estelle Getty crossing the street.

4. Intelligence – Uhm no…He shows no serious ability to move from read to read in an NFL offense. Also, he’s “still believing that he’s an NFL quarterback”. That shows a very high lack of intelligence if you ask me.

I would give you a -1 rec if I could because no way does that load of bull deserve to be green.

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by sadaraine on Feb 2, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry for the Tebow

I understand the whole intangibles arguement, and yes, I have sen him play. But your arguement that the spread offense somehow is a good way to judge a QB doesn’t make sense to to me. The Spread offense does require the qb to read, but he makes a pre-snap read and then tries to go where he will have a one on one matchup, it is not a complicated offense and it is predicated that you have more talented offensive players then you will win the one on one match-ups. It is nothing equivalent to reading and working in a pro style offense. You have seen how many option QB’s have struggeled coming into the NFL, and successful QB’s usally come from a more pro-style offense. Both Casssel and Brady came from Por-style offenses and syaing McDaniels adapted his system for Brady is a little naive, it was the same system they used to win two SB’s prior to being the QB coach and it wasn’t “his” system, it was Weiss, they just went with more of a passing first mentality once they got Moss and Welker (and I remind you they lost the SB with McDaniels as the OC). The thing I have seen from McDaniels is that he does not adapt “his” system, instead he gets the QB to play within the system. You speak of Orton, but Orton had been in the league four years, was familiar with various defensive schemes, and had much better mechanics coming here. He worked with Orton to get him to play within his system, but I don’t see how the system was changed to adapt to his strengths. What I am getting at is that there are a lot more things that go into getting a QB than his intangibles, I understand he will work hard, but he had four years at Florida to improve and he basically got worse or stagnated, his delievry went from about 1/2 second to 1 second, his yards per pass dropped or remained the same all four years, his TD’s dropped, and his sacks increased, all not good signs. Lots of college QB’s have great intangibles, but you need fundlementals to go with it.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

by Broncoman on Feb 2, 2010 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry for the mispellings in advance

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

by Broncoman on Feb 2, 2010 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

NO WAY!

Priority # 1 for our beloved Broncos is to sign a proven back-up QB. We blew the playoffs last year because Chris Simms could not come in and impersonate a QB for a half against the Skins. It also didn’t help Kyle any that even when seriously injured he was forced to play because we simply did not have a back-up QB, despite the fact that the blond fellow carrying a clipboard was making 3 times as much money, Simms isn’t worthy of cleaning Kyles cleats. Tommy B should be given another season to develop and we should be looking at a guy like Pennington or Carr or Boller to come in and sit behind Kyle.

I’d much prefer we look at the Central Michigan QB as a second day pick if McD does indeed want to draft his QB of the future. At this stage we need to get Younger and Better on the DL and get younger in the secondary. Kyle should be given a second season in this offense before we write him off.

I have nothing against Tebow, or McCoy, or Bradford…this is simply an underwhelming draft for QB’s.

by mattison on Feb 1, 2010 11:51 PM MST reply actions  

Nice post, Broncoman. But I degress... Sorry....

Drafting Tebow would send the signal that the way to make this team a contender is to make a change at the QB position. We have several other areas that need attention more than the QB position: OL, DL, ILB. The running game and pass protection as well as run defense on the right side of our D needs atttention. We need our FAs and especially our higher draft picks to upgrade these areas.

I am concerned that in drafting Tebow, we would have the same pressure as Shanahan had with Cutler to get Tebow out on the field IMO prematurely. The QB that we pick up needs to be a veteran backup who can run this offense with some precision in the event that Orton goes down. Rookies will struggle with it.

Sorry to be so against the grain here. I like Tebow. I don’t see him as a fit here. IMO Colt McCoy would be a better match. But again, unless we get some miracle large number of picks or gift, I doubt that he would be drafted by the Broncos.

by Blackknigh on Feb 2, 2010 12:55 AM MST reply actions  

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