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Coach McDaniels and the Belichick/Parsell philosophy ‘play vets and build through draft’

You can see this clearly in NE. They get Moss, Welker, Thomas, and Seau then draft Seymour, Warren, Mankins, and Chung. But seldom do the rookies start, they are groomed.

You saw it in the Jets when Mancini was coach, now we have seen it in Denver with Coach McDaniels.

Dawkins, Hill, Goodman, Davis, Fields, Griesen, Parker, Reid, Buckhalter, Jordan, Arrington, Gaffney were brought in started/contributed and the core of the Broncos was formulated. Then the draft.

When issues arose and changes were needed, it was not the rookies but more vets like Gorin, Lloyd, and trade for Smith, Hochstein and Law.

Is it no trust in the rookies or just the philosophy because 9 out of 10 years NE is always drafting in the 20 range of picks. Not the ‘NFL ready’ players but the prospects that they coach up to NFL ready players.

I think also that Coach McDaniels wanted to do well but had too big of hill because he had to teach his new coaches first then they had to teach the players in the new schemes.

I am curious how he will react in the second year. Will he cut Law and leave Alphonso Smith at nickel to really learn the NFL? Will he put Seth Olsen at guard to show his ability? Now he did rely on rookies to an extent, like Moreno starting, McBath in for injured Dawkins, and the special teams. I think Moreno was more because of the 12th pick (and ability).

I do see some dead weight for 2010. These are players that did not grade out well at all and with the uncapped season they can be let go with no salary repercussions.

LaMont Jordan

Mitch Berger

Brandon Lloyd (may be an exception)

Jarvis Moss

Vernon Fox

Brandon Gorin

Ben Hamilton

Ty Law


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get the vets necessary to hold it together while you groom your younger players.

The only place I would quibble, I’m not sure we’ll see both Lloyd and Moss leave. I think Lloyd will be given a second year to see if he can raise the level of his play. Not as certain about Moss, but I could see him being given one more year as well.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Feb 11, 2010 3:23 PM MST reply actions  

I agree

Surprisingly. ha – ha . I would love to have Moss make it one more year. You think the guy would be born to play in the 3-4 defense with that speed. Hopefully a year with Martindale taught him how to play in space and cover. At the very least hold onto him as a depth guy to spell Doom every now and then.

I really have no problem with your other dead weight. Berger better be gone. When he gets old enough I’m going to put him in a home. I wouldnt mind Ty law sticking around as a depth guy as well. Alphonso better start at least inthe nickel position this year or that trade starts to border on bust territory. I wont go there yet but if he doesnt make the jump next year I’ll be tempted too.

REally truthfully though.. This is the Denver Broncos.. One of the greatest franchises of all time. I dont want to hear about the NEw England way ever again. MCD needs to do things his way not like his old boss.

You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?

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by johnnystarr on Feb 11, 2010 5:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you on Berger

That was a failed experiment.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Feb 11, 2010 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that in the next year or two

We’ll begin to see the formation of the McDenver way of doing football.

Nearly all students begin by imitating what they’ve been trained in & exposed to. Then as they gain confidence, they begin to transform that training and make it their own. I’m guessing that if McDaniels is as smart as many people are saying he is, we will begin to see that process next year.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Feb 11, 2010 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Every year

The dead or dying weight will be removed, as better, younger, and faster players come in to the competition for Roster spots. This is year 2 of the mutation of Josh McDaniel’s vision for this team. I think we were fortunate to have as good a season as we just had, considering there was a 40% change in personnel on the team.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Feb 11, 2010 4:18 PM MST reply actions  

This

and all of the off-season drama with Cutler & Marshall

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Feb 11, 2010 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

various comments on: who, where and why

Re: CB. Moves aren’t pre-determined in many cases so even though we can outline the logical desiderata we’ll still have to wait to see how some positions develop. I don’t think we have ‘call’ the CB race at this point because there’s room for both Law and Smith. IMO, we’d like to add one more on draft day, too, but we can’t guarantee that we’ll take one.

Re: age. Fans consistently overestimate the impact that younger players have, there’s a conflict between what they contribute and what fans perceive. And it’s not solely a New England ‘thing,’ since Shanahan did it, too, as do the more successful franchises. We frequently heard that “smart” players are preferred, but another way of saying that is “veteran.” It’s not decrepitude we’re looking for. Football has grown extremely complex and requires a substantial amount of learning and decision making ability that’s normally found in veteran players. Younger players can possess these traits but they still require learning within the system to reach a sufficient level of competence. Additionally, the younger players who have mastered their craft are expensive, so there’s a tilt towards older players, who have lost some of their value and are often somewhat overpriced because of salary minimums and pay history (i.e., their skills are declining but they’re still on higher priced contracts).

Teams that lack this layer of veteran depth are teams that have lost many veteran players to free agency. In essence, they’ve sloughed off veteran talent because they’re not able to pay them all. If they’re developing players successfully then they can afford to lose a surprising amount of talent. Teams such as Pittsburgh, New England, etc., fall into this category. We’re in a slightly different category in that we needed to replace veteran talent that should have been here at some point (if we had developed it). In other words, we’ve gained veteran talent where teams such as the Steelers would be losing that talent in order to keep their critical veterans.

I’ve written on this subject before. A useful tool for analysis is a listing of position by age/experience. It allows you to see at a glance the comparative age of players at each position. Normally, height and weight are listed, but in this case you list age/experience. Obviously, age doesn’t always make you good, but positions that are sub-par can be candidates for FA acquisitions or draftees, depending on the roster math.

Hochstein’s presence can be attributed to this ‘veteran philosophy,’ as can Le Kevin Smith’s. The problem in both these cases is that neither are particularly good players. We don’t have to do anything with them, however, since our roster move will be contingent upon how free agency and the draft plays out. For instance, a high quality DE draftee might result in cutting Smith but we can still use Thomas and Fields to cover the position. Ideally, we’d have a vet at every position but it’s difficult to do because of roster math.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Feb 11, 2010 9:23 PM MST reply actions  

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