Denver Broncos Mock Draft Part 17
The 2010 NFL offseason will officially be underway on March 5th, so get out and create your player wish lists Broncos fans. With free agency likely to be relatively boring this year, expect the NFL to be a bit like the NBA in that there will be some serious wheeling and dealing going on.
The Broncos have already been connected to a few trades, but they have shot down the rumors quickly. I am intrigued to see how McDaniels and Xanders handle this offseason, which could be one of the more active in Broncos history. Denver has plenty of its own free agents to worry about, and you can see a very detailed post here by our own elvisalex who laid out our financial situation very effectively.
We all have our own views of who the Broncos will be looking to add this offseason, and what positions are going to be of the greatest importance. I think there is a near consensus that Denver's biggest areas of need lie in the trenches, but we have yet to see every player on the team given a the shot he deserves (i.e. Chris Baker, Seth Olsen).
Still, it's impossible to believe that every Denver youngster is going to pan out, so you must have a backup plan. The way I see it, Denver's top needs heading into the offseason are as follows:
1a. OG
1b. OC
2. DL (run stuffing specialists, preferably)
3. #2 WR
4. QB of Future (some could argue that it is Brandstater, but let's not beat that horse any more than we have)
5. ILB
6. Pass rush help
7. RB
8. RS
9. P (may already be on roster)
10. S
So there you have it. A top ten order of needs heading into the offseason, and you will likely see every single one of them addressed. Josh McDaniels turned over roughly 60 percent of Denver's roster last season, so the reloading process is likely not finished.
Despite the fact that this year should be relatively quiet in free agency, I think you could see the Broncos make a significant splash with some players due to their needs at certain positions like guard or running back. Who might the Broncos go after in free agency? More after the jump...
Free Agency
Re-Sign
1. Brandon Marshall, WR
2. Elvis Dumervil, OLB
3. Kyle Orton, QB
4. Chris Kuper, G
5. Matt Prater, K
6. Ryan McBean, DL
7. Tony Carter, CB
Cap Casualties
1. Chris Simms, QB
2. LaMont Jordan, RB
UFA Open Market
1. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, Chargers
2. Eugene Amano, OG, Titans
3. Jarvis Green, DL, Patriots
2010 NFL Mock Draft
First Round
1. St. Louis Rams: Ndamukong Suh, DL, Nebraska
2. Detroit Lions: Russell Okung, OL, Oklahoma State
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gerald McCoy, DL, Oklahoma
4. Washington Redskins: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
5. Kansas City Chiefs: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
6. Seattle Seahawks: Anthony Davis, OL, Rutgers
7. Cleveland Browns: Joe Haden, CB, Florida
8. Oakland Raiders: Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
9. Buffalo Bills: Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
**Trade Alert** Broncos trade first round pick (10th overall) to Arizona Cardinals for first round pick (26th overall), second round pick (58th overall), and fifth round pick
10. Arizona Cardinals: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
11. Jacksonville Jaguars: Earl Thomas, DB, Texas
12. Miami Dolphins: Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
13. San Francisco 49ers: Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
14. Seattle Seahawks: Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. New York Giants: Dan Williams, DL, Tennessee
16. San Francisco 49ers: Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
17. Tennessee Titans: Carlos Dunlap, DL, Florida
18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Bryan Bulaga, OL, Iowa
19. Atlanta Falcons: Everson Griffen, DE, USC
20. Houston Texans: Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
21. Cincinnati Bengals: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
22. New England Patriots: Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
23. Green Bay Packers: Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
24. Philadelphia Eagles: Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
25. Baltimore Ravens: Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
26. Denver Broncos: Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
6'5" 320
At this point, we've all heard a ton about Pouncey. I think a lot of fans would be disappointed if the Broncos didn't come away from the draft without getting Pouncey, and honestly there are really not many other great alternatives, even in free agency.
Pouncey is the unquestioned top center prospect available in this draft, and he fits an immediate need for the Broncos. If Denver can add Eugene Amano and Pouncey to the interior line mix, they will be able to get back to running the ball effectively. Pouncey would start from day one, and if he stays healthy, he will likely start for the next 10-15 years.
27. Dallas Cowboys: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
28. San Diego Chargers: Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State
29. New York Jets: Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State
30. Minnesota Vikings: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
31. Indianapolis Colts: Brian Price, DL, UCLA
32. New Orleans Saints: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
Second Round
33. St. Louis Rams: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
34. Detroit Lions: Jahvid Best, RB, California
35. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Charles Brown, OT, USC
36. Kansas City Chiefs: Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
37. Washington Redskins: Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
38. Cleveland Browns: Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
39. Oakland Raiders: Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale
40. Seattle Seahawks: Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
41. Buffalo Bills: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
42. New England Patriots: Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona
43. Miami Dolphins: Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida
44. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Damian Williams, WR, USC
45. Denver Broncos: Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
6'3" 256
I think if Spikes is available here, this pick is an absolute no-brainer. He has ideal size and athleticism for the position, and he is a natural born leader of the defense. Spikes will eventually take over on our defense for fellow Gator Andra Davis, and his run stopping abilities will be a most welcome addition to this team.
46. New York Giants: Chad Jones, S, LSU
47. Carolina Panthers: Jerry Hughes, DE, TCU
48. New England Patriots: Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
49. San Francisco 49ers: Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
50. Kansas City Chiefs: Vladimir Ducasse, OL, UMass
51. Houston Texans: Reshad Jones, S, Georgia
52. Pittsburgh Steelers: Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
53. New England Patriots: Jon Asamoah, G, Illinois
54. Cincinnati Bengals: Dexter McCluster, RB/WR, Ole Miss
55. Philadelphia Eagles: Nate Allen, S, South Florida
56. Green Bay Packers: Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
57. Baltimore Ravens: Dominique Franks, CB, Oklahoma
58. Denver Broncos: Navorro Bowman, LB, Penn State
6'2" 235
Size wise, he might remind a lot of folks of Wesley Woodyard, and the fact that we already just drafted Spikes and Robert Ayers a year ago might mean that this pick is superfluous, but I fail to see that at all. When you are a team running a four linebacker set, you need all the depth you can get, and Bowman will provide our LB core with stellar depth, and he can play all four positions.
Through my last few mock drafts, it may come off as though I'm a Penn State fan, but I couldn't hate the team more being a Hawkeye fan. It's just that PSU has a lot of great NFL talent coming out this year, and Bowman is an absolute robbery of a selection this late in the second.
**Trade Alert** Denver Broncos trade TE Tony Scheffler to Cleveland Browns for 3rd round pick (90th overall)
Third Round, 80th overall: Dan LeFevour, QB, Central Michigan
6'3" 230
If I could compare LeFevour to a QB already in the NFL, it would be Aaron Rodgers. He is a dual threat quarterback whose ability to run will completely catch you off guard every time. He has a supremely strong arm, and is most accurate on the run. He is said to have a good ability to read defenses, so I think he is a good fit for our system.
A year project, maybe two, but a good selection with our first of two third round picks.
Third Round, 90th overall: Jacoby Ford, WR/RS, Clemson
5'9" 185
Versatile receiver prospect who can come in immediately and contribute as our primary kick and punt returner. He could eventually take over as our slot receiver, but for now I think his biggest contributions will come on special teams. He is lightning fast, and claims he can run a sub 4.2 second 40 yard dash.
Fourth Round: Chris Cook, CB, Virginia
6'2" 212
Cook really caught the eyes of scouts at the Senior Bowl, and he is certainly a prospect on the rise. I think the Broncos need to add more length to the cornerback position, and I would not be surprised if Cook is a target of theirs on draft day. He could contribute immediately as a special teams player, and eventually develop under Champ and Goodman.
Fifth Round: Marshall Newhouse, OL, TCU
6'3" 326
The Broncos are looking to get bigger this offseason, and Newhouse fits that bill. A versatile lineman with great bulk, Newhouse would be a solid addition to the Denver offensive line. He provides depth at both guard and tackle positions.
Sixth Round: Myron Rolle, S, Florida State
6'2" 220
I have yet to convince even myself that Rolle will still be available in the sixth round, but the board that I'm going by currently rates him as a sixth round pick, and I can see their reasoning. Rolle has been out of football for a year, but there is no denying his football talent. He will be a project, but I could see him as a starting safety in the NFL, and the Broncos would be happy to add him to the roster.
Seventh Round: Clifton Geathers, DL, South Carolina
6'8" 285
Very athletic defensive line prospect who the Broncos could mold into a great player. I think Geathers provides excellent depth this late in the draft, and his frame allows for him to gain at least 15 pounds without losing any quickness. He has the potential to be an absolute beast in the NFL if he works hard for it.
Undrafted Free Agents
1. Travis Ivey, NT, Maryland
6'4" 341
Guy who really carries his weight well, and who impressed scouts with his strength and quickness at the East-West Shrine game. Very muscular build for his size, and has great potential as a later round guy or free agent acquisition.
2. Martin Tevaseu, NT, UNLV
6'1" 328
High character guy with a really cool story. Started off at a community college and became a phenomenal student at UNLV, making the Dean's list. Massive build, and another guy who carries his weight well. Worth a look in training camp.
3. Reggie Stephens, OL, Iowa State
6'3" 322
Versatile offensive lineman that I like. Good size, good punch off the snap, and a lot of collegiate experience.
4. Thomas Welch, OL, Vanderbilt
6'6" 312
Give this guy a look in training camp, could be some much needed depth at the tackle position and he will come very cheap.
5. Stafon Johnson, RB, USC
5'11" 214
One of the more inspiring stories among draft prospects, Johnson has overcome some very significant obstacles to pursue an NFL career, and his hard work will not go unnoticed. I would not be surprised if he sticks on an NFL roster as he has all the tools to be an NFL back.
6. Kelton Tindal, WR, Newberry
6'2" 197 4.28
Kid has great size and blazing speed. Not much out there on him as of now, but he is expected to run in the low 4.2's at his pro day, and looking at his You Tube video, he makes whoever Newberry is playing look like they are running with cement in their shoes.
7. Crezdon Butler, CB, Clemson
6'0" 185 4.47
Speed, athleticism, and length. That's what we need to be looking for at the cornerback position this offseason. I think Butler will get a good look in camp, much like DJ Johnson last year.
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I like this mock but i have a problem with this Tony trading thing.
Honestly, i dont think we can get a 3rd for him, i think at BEST we will get a 5th. Id love to hear John’s take on this.
I don't know if I've ever been through this with you before in particular
But it’s hardly an opinion. If the Broncos tender him, his minimum value will be a 2nd round pick. I’m going out on a limb by saying he will be worked out to a sign and trade, but there is probably a team out there willing to give up a second rounder for him. Who knows? Point is, the prediction of a Scheffler trade is not fully opinion. IT’s a fact that if he is signed to an offer sheet, the Broncos can decline and receive a second round pick as compensation.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 11, 2010 9:18 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the explanation Sayre, I highly doubt a team will pick up the tender and give us a 2nd for him.
Ok, so you are saying we will work out a deal with him and then trade him for a 3rd round pick. That is still trading him for a 3rd. Am i correct? Now if you said sign and trade for a 5th rounder, i would agree with that.
by Calibroncoboy on Feb 11, 2010 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
I just don't see it
If I am McX, I am not going to help another team out by essentially giving them Tony Scheffler. I’d rather he played out the one year tender of his contract at 900,000 and then we just cut him loose after next year. Honestly, his 13 yards per catch are not worth a 5th round pick, they’re worth more to me.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 11, 2010 9:38 PM MST up reply actions
I can where your coming from for sure. I just dont think Tony is nearly proven enough to be valued at a 3rd rounder
especially considering we have gotten the likes of Harris, Doom, and Marsh in the 3rd-4th round. Also combined with his slight dropoff with a non-probowl qb, him actively voicing his displeasure with mcd, mcd’s wants for players that buy into his system, and the semi lack of tony in the game plan last year, i can honestly see us trading him for a 5th.. but not a 3rd. And hey, In a league where Mcd groomed 6th rounder Brady and picked our "QB of the future " in the 6th round, a 5th rounder is hardly nothing
by Calibroncoboy on Feb 11, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions
Scheffler had a terrific season...
considering he was labeled as pass catching tight end, was involved in over half the 2TE formations. I’m sure teams such as KC, Cincy and even Oak would be intrigued in a TE that can attack the seams as he does. He can easily be the player for teams a few players short from contending fora Super Bowl.
I like the idea of tendering him and let the field play itself out. If not, sign and trade for a 3rd surely makes business/football sense for all/any party concerned. Don’t read too much into what round these athletes were drafted in because the same can be said about 1st rounders not panning out. That’s the beauty of the NFL, you have to show up everyday.
Say hello to my fast...
same here... don't see anybody giving a third for him
that being the case i hope we can use him…. not just keep him, but USE him
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 12, 2010 4:32 AM MST up reply actions
This seems somewhat homerish. No, it definitly is.
And LeFeveur does NOT have a strong arm, just saying.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 11, 2010 9:17 PM MST reply actions
Mmm...No?
Just going by CBSSports’ rankings. If you provide me with a list of over 3,000 prospects ranked from top to bottom, but for now I’ll trust the most in-depth ranking system on the web, which is CBS/NFLDraft Scout.com
As for LeFevour’s arm strength, take a gander at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIDFkBLaYYQ&feature=related
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 11, 2010 9:24 PM MST up reply actions
I know it's just HIS opinion...
but how can you say that LeFevour does NOT have a strong arm, unless your a WMU fan or something like that? He’s graded as a 2/3 round and he’s been given the nod by more than a few draft scouts as someone who could be groomed with little help into a solid starter, I don’t think that you draft a QB every year in the sixth round and hold your breath for another 3 hoping that he’s the next Tom Brady…
I like LeFevour but I’m not going to slit my wrists if we don’t pick him up, I believe that he will end somewhere and he will make an impact for that team, he’s way to talented and athletic not to.
We are all given the ability to have opinions on this site and yours is noted, but it just seems like you are saying something without any argument in your favor show us how LeFevour didn’t demolish records while he played, how he didn’t set NCAA records. I want to believe that Brandstater is the next Brady but I think healthy competition, and cutting the extremely overpaid Simms, is necessary to get our QB of the future up and running ASAP.
I love how everyone here thinks Bradanstater is Tom Brady.
If you all read this with an open mind you might change your mind about late round QBs.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 13, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
Floating a couple deep balls doesnt mean you have a strong arm.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 13, 2010 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Good job and I can see you put alot of time into it.
I would take these players instead.
1st – Maurkice Pouncey – great pick
2nd – Cam Thomas – DE/NT – 6’4" 330lbs can play both position
2nd – John Jerry – Guard – 6’5" 330lbs he is now viewed #2 Guard by some.
3rd – LaGarrette Blount – 6’1" 245lbs RB
This draft would give Denver some Big , Fast and Strong People.
Thanks for your comment
1. Don’t like Cam Thomas in the second at all. He was not on the map at all before the Senior Bowl, which raises a ton of questions to me.
2. John Jerry is an option, but not in the second. Being the 2nd guard in this class is like being the tallest dwarf.
3. I like Blount, but not in the third. Just not worth the character risks.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 11, 2010 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
I think Blount goes third
So if you want him you’re going to have to move on him.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Yea, LeFevour doesn't have a strong arm at all, that's one of his issues
In fact, this is what Draft Scout says about him:
Arm Strength: Lean quarterback with very average arm strength. Floats deep balls down the sideline and over the middle. Steps into most throws but still does not put a lot of zip on passes over 10-12 yards. Deep outs are wobbly, late and inaccurate.
Also, I know he’s popular, but I think Spikes’ decreasing production (132 tackles in ‘07, 87 in ’08, and 52 in ’09) doesn’t make him a no-brainer in the second round. At least that’s my opinion.
Love Pouncey and Butler (hopefully he goes undrafted) though. Scheff is not getting a 3rd rounder.
Return Specialist?
Really silly?
Radical Sprinter?
Rapid Streaker?
Sorry, Sayre, Broncs Cheer, I struggled mightily but the imp pushed me over the edge.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 11, 2010 9:53 PM MST up reply actions
LMAO!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Feb 12, 2010 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
Nice write up Sayre.
I do so admire you, and all of the other posters who have the evaluation acumen to post draft/trade possibilities. I do as well with such things as I do with Advanced Calculus and Astrophysics (sometime I’ll have my wife tell you just how far off my answers are).
Rec’d for all of the thought and effort you put into the post.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Thanks B
I appreciate your comments as they are always very constructive and well thought out. Almost like a new post everytime.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:07 AM MST up reply actions
Did you watch the Senior Bowl???
Many said that John Jerry outperfomed Mike Iupati and was the best Guard there period and at 6’5" 330lbs he would be a great addition to Denver’s new Power Blocking Scheme.
As far as Cam Thomas – at 6’4" 330lbs he too would be a welcome addition.
McDaniels has said numerous times that he wants to get BIGGER!!!!
Go Broncos
Lol, that's cause Iupati cheated every play!
In all seriousness, I could come around to Jerry. He is a beast, I just need to do more scouting. Cam would be a nice body to add in the 4th, maybe 5th to me, just not 2nd.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:08 AM MST up reply actions
Nice mock.
Here are my thoughts.
1. I am as big a Pouncey fan as anyone else but you seem to have a lot of faith in him. You may or may not be right. I haven’t heard or observed that he was an all-world type prospect. What about him makes him so valued? I have not seen too many scouting reports on him. With all that said, I think if he projects to be a starting center for the next decade or so we should pick him up.
2. Spikes would be a great pick up in the 2nd round. I wonder if he will be around.
3. If Bowman is by far the best player available I would have no problem with that. I guess it boils down to who is already off the board.
4. I am not a fan of Lefevour. After watching him in a few games this year I was not impressed. The Senior Bowl and his performance did not do anything for me either.
5. Jacoby Ford would be an excellent pick up. I love the kid.
Thanks swg
1. His instincts and athleticism, not to mention ideal size are attracting scouts from what I’ve read. Who knows, maybe he’s a huge bust!
2. I’m going with the Laurinaitis/Maualuga rationale with Spikes :D
3. Good point
4. Good points, and though I disagree I think he might just be a nice starting QB for us.
5. We’re agreed.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:13 AM MST up reply actions
Here is Wes Bunting on John Jerry.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2010-draft-offensive-guard-grading-scale.html
ummm .. Shanahan alert
I think Scheffler goes to DC rather than Cleveland. Shanny loves him & could use him over there. I like the mock draft you’ve put up, however, and will be interested to see how it morphs as the days and weeks go on …
They do have Chris Cooley...
Browns need a TE more.
by SethGrandpa on Feb 11, 2010 11:52 PM MST up reply actions
No
Cleveland doesn’t. They have a young prospect by the name of Evan Moore that I think they are high on. Washington would be a good spot, or maybe even Miami.
You really think so?
Seems like they’ve got a couple of pretty goo TE’s already in Cooley and Davis, both of whom are receiving specialists. Why do you think they would be interested in Scheffler? I see the Shanny connection, but it seems over the top to me.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 6:58 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed
The only way Tony goes to WASH is if Shannahan gets creative and decides to turn Cooley into a 2nd round draft pick. Even then they have Davis who really came on after Cooley went out so I’m not sure that makes too much sense at this point.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
What about...
Scheffler to Washington for Cooley?
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:13 AM MST up reply actions
I doubt that
I could see Tony for a third and then flipping Cooley to someone else for a 2nd. I doubt they would get traded straight up. Besides, not sure if Cooley fits MCD idea of a TE.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Same here, just throwing it out there
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:21 AM MST up reply actions
You put a lot of work into these mocks
Out of curiosity do you research other teams needs as well? Or do you go with your gut feeling. I get a lot of Lions coverage due to the area I live in. There is a lot of talk that ST.Louis might go with Bradford if he throws well at the combine or his pro day. PLus, I like how you updated the board to show how Okung going 2nd. In a draft as deep with DT as this one I can definitely see the big 2 tackles sliding lower then they would in most drafts.
I think this draft is going to have a ton of trades this year
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Thanks
It’s a little of both. I try to make the picks as logical as possible, but sometimes I go with BPA based on the needs of the team/players available. I could see Bradford to St. Louis for sure, but right now I don’t think so.
I think there will be a lot of trades as well.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:36 AM MST up reply actions
A few questions/notes about the need rankings...
1. Is WR ranked #3 on the assumption that B-Marsh is not coming back? Because if he is coming back I’d bump that down drastically. Eddie Royal is a great #2 WR, it’s just somehow Josh couldn’t figure out how to use him last year (which is astounding). If we have Marshall back I wouldn’t even consider the position a need at all.
2. Why do so many people essentially consider OG and C the same need? They’re different potions that take a slightly different skillset. You don’t see teams with needs listed as WR/receiving TE. It just kind of seems dumb to me.
3. I might bump S up a bit. While our guys played really good last year, they’re not young and I think Hill played way above his actual skill level.
Ah, some good points
1. Why is Eddie Royal a “great” number two? He certainly didn’t look it this past season. McD had him on the field all the time, returning kicks, running reverses, it’s just that Royal had trouble getting open because his quickness is better suited for the slot role. SO I guess you could say he was mis-used.
2. I don’t consider them the same need, but of the same importance. It’s different than you’ve put it, but I could see where there would be confusion.
3. Safety could potentially be set for the next decade plus. Dawkins and Hill are great vets, and McBath/Bruton are very capable youngsters. I like our S position, but we could add one in the later rounds (Rolle?)
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:01 AM MST up reply actions
Once again. Agree'd with SAyre
1) there is no guarantee that Royal will be a great #2. If he struggles again this year we’re in trouble.
3) I think safety is set as well. Not sure if Rolle will be available that late. I wouldnt bet on it. Just as character concerns will push talents down the board., the same can be said about a guy when he gets drafted instantly becomes the smartest person in the entire organization
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
I said when he was drafted I thought his best position
would be as a slot reciever. He’s got good strength, route running and quickness for the position, plus his lack of deep ball ability would be mitigated.
If we keep Marshall, I’d agree that we need one WR, preferably one who can stretch the field. If we get rid of Marshall, then it just means we need to add a possesion type WR to the list.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
I’m glad to see someone with MHR clout call out Royal. His massive 2009 regression gets lost in all the Marshall drama.
He was an amazing #2 WR in Shanahan’s system with Cutler as the QB.
He was a terrible a WR in McDaniels system with Orton as the QB. Until he proves otherwise, Denver can’t rely on Eddie to return to his former excellence and we should have a 2010 contingency plan in case Eddie doesn’t come around. Not having one in 2009 really hurt us.
If you guys want to know a primary reason why Denver went 2-8 down the stretch, the drop-off in production from Eddie Royal vs what he gave us in 2008 was a key factor. I’m glad to see someone with MHR clout call out Royal. His massive 2009 regression gets lost in all the Marshall drama.
He was an amazing #2 WR in Shanahan’s system with Cutler as the QB.
He was a terrible a WR in McDaniels system with Orton as the QB. Until he proves otherwise, Denver can’t rely on Eddie to return to his former excellence and should have a 2010 contingency plan in case Eddie doesn’t come around.
If you guys want to know a primary reason why Denver went 2-8 down the stretch, the drop-off in production from Eddie Royal vs what he gave us in 2008 was a key factor. A good team attitude is not nearly enough to be given a key roll on the Broncos, Eddie has to be a productive player as well.
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Royal
If his struggles in 09 (compared to 08) are because he doesn’t fit McD’s system, maybe he should be traded? I’d hate to see it, because he’s a good kid and has talent, but…
The prophet Elijah told Ahab that the dogs would lick his blood, and so it came to pass, as you would imagine, since only the successful prophets are remembered.
Check this out:
Looking at this, I see 9 games where his production and YpC were consistent with, or worse, than what he did this year. He had three huge games— in each instance the numbers were skewed to some extent by one big play.
The larger point being that I think that there was a little Royal Mythology leading into this season. This is a guy who has consistently struggled getting off the line of scrimmage and who’s greatest asset right now is potential explosiveness as opposed to consistent explosiveness. When you mix in the fact that he basically got ‘beat out’— ended up in a platooning role with Gaffney— I’m not sure its fair to blame it on the system. The reality is that the Royal/Gaffney combo was about 100 yards and 1 ypc more productive in 2009 over 2008 (same amount of catches, though the #2 production is somewhat skewed by Gaffney’s final game). I think the problem isn’t the system, but rather that Royal is miscast as an outside guy. That was as consistently true last year as it was this year. His legend under Shanahan/Cutler simply doesn’t match the facts, and his short comings are more on him than on McD or being misused….IMO, of course.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Feb 12, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Agree completely.
Royal for Slot in 2010-2011.
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Nice top two picks
If we could get Pouncey, Spikes and John Jerry that would be great. With regards to picking up a QB I see that Skelton and Brown are regarded as high on Wes Buntings scouting but I havent seen them play. Is there a chance McDaniels will like them? Would they be good fits?
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I’ve heard some bad things about John Jerry, but he might turn out to be a nice pro. I think McD would like both Skelton and Brown, but if I’m a GM I’d lean more towards Brown. Just me though.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:02 AM MST up reply actions
Strong arm, good pocket presence
Escape ability, accurate on the run, among others.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:14 AM MST up reply actions
Plus, Brown played at WVU
and Skelton at Fordham, so he’s got that edge.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:14 AM MST up reply actions
i don't like the trade down in this draft...
there are too many options #10 that could have impact this year. Depending on FA we could go with either line… Pouncey? Sure! If we like him that much we could trade up to get him.
surprised you did not list CB as a need, even though you did address position in the draft. It is a bigger need then S. We have nice youngsters as S backups, but nobackup corners
by si_ice on Feb 12, 2010 4:41 AM MST via mobile reply actions
nice catch
I had edited the list once or twice, and must have forgot to put that one back in there. I do see CB depth as a top ten need though. I’d bump the S need for CB.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 7:04 AM MST up reply actions
Nice Sayre best mock to date....
While I like Pouncey I think he is available in the second. He is being touted as the top center in the draft, but one report I read on him says he gets pushed back to easily and ends up on the ground to often. I’ll have to see if I can find it again. It just made it sound like he could be more of a project, which, you wouldn’t draft in the first round. But, it’s only one opinion.
Everything else makes good solid sense. BTW I happen to agree with you on Sheffler, his value is higher that some give him credit for. I was also wonder if he isn’t suited more to play at one of the wideout positions with his size and ability to seperate from the defenders……
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I have a hard time seeing Pouncey fall past the Chiefs in round two. They have a need at center just like we do, and they could pull the trigger on him.
You could be right about Scheffler, I just wonder if he can co-exist with McDaniels being that he is a very strong personality.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
Not 2010, but 2011.
I know you are not as down on Alphonso Smith as I am, but if Smith is one of those youngsters that doesn’t “pan out”, CB will be our #1 need in very short order. So I think CB should be in the Top 5 of your list and I am quite certain we will draft one in the first few rounds of the 2010 draft. They only way we won’t is if we sign a good one in FA, but I don’t see that happening since we already have two very good 30-something DBs at the tail end of their careers.
You guys always talk about McDaniels having a long term vision. Well if that is the case, I can promise you McDaniels recognizes CB as a long term hole in our current roster. As of the end of 2009, we don’t have much of anything behind Champ, Goodman and Law.
If Joe Haden mircaulously falls to our pick in round 1, I think he’ll be a Bronco.
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Not sure what mircaulously means.
Let’s try miraculously.
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Interesting
I agree if Haden falls to us, he will be hard to pass on. He is the Eric Berry equivalent this offseason at CB. I’d say we will take another CB next year unless we puruse one from another venue. I would like to add another CB of the future, which is why I like Cook from Virginia.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
I think we are going to need a #1 CB in the near future. I don’t ever see Smith becoming this player and I don’t know how anyone could be careless enough to plan on Smith taking this job in 2011. Maybe Goodman and/or Champ will handle this duty, but it does seem like CBs drop off quite a bit around 31 years of age.
Do we really want to go into 2011 with a rookie #1 CB? I think we take that player in 2010 draft – if one falls to us. If not… yikes.
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A whole heck of a lot of them in this draft
CB may very well be the deepest value position. There are good players likely to be available in the third (Amari Spievey?)
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
QB Already in the NFL?
That is quite the statement to compare Dan LeFevour to a Pro Bowl Quarterback? Dan LaFevour has average size, adequate but not amazing arm-strength and operated a completely spread offense in college. He doesn’t have good footwork or balance and he doesnt operate well in the pocket. He is a quarterback that will take a lot of development, at least a 2 year project.
Brandon Spikes is Scout’s Inc’s 26th Overall Prospect, yet you have him falling 45.
Navarro Bowman is Scout’s Inc’s 29th Overall Prospect, yet you have him falling 58.
Scout.com ranks Jacoby Ford at 72, yet you have him falling to 90th.
Scout.com ranks Chris Cook at 96 yet you have him falling to the 120 range.
I am saying either one is right or either one is wrong because Scout.com and Scouts Inc have both been wrong over the year’s.
All I am saying is that I am so sick of these “MAGICAL” draft’s where we somehow trade for the perfect picks and get exactly what Denver think’s they deserve. (ex: Tony Sheffler, don’t think we will get a 3rd)And somehow one of the top prospect’s at their position, that just so happens we need, MAGICALLY falls to us in whatever round we please.
They are entertaining and well broken down ( I commend you and thank you for doing them) and I realize MHR is for entertainment purposes only, but these are Magical Mock Drafts. I just desire a realistic one Sayre, and maybe you will deliver in Rough Draft 18.
by ndrwbrgr on Feb 12, 2010 8:54 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for your comment
I’m comparing his skill set to Aaron Rodgers, which isn’t out of the question at all. LeFevour has almost ideal QB size and bulk, maybe one inch in height is off there but everything else is ideal. His footwork is questionable, but you’d be hard pressed to ever find a college QB whose footwork is masterful.
I do not reference Scout’s Inc. or Todd McShay because he is an idiot. His scouting methods are irrational and biased. I reference the most in-depth ranking system on the web, which is NFLDraftScout.com. They have ranked over 3,000 players and have done so in a logical fashion. According to them, Spikes is 40th on the overall prospect list.
Ford is somewhere in the 100’s. Chris Cook is rated as a 110-140 pick by NFLDraftScout, and in such a deep talent class it’s not out of the question or “MAGICAL” as you called it. Scout.com has never provided me with draft analysis. They use stars to rate NFL prospects. I’ll go with NFLDraftScout, who projects a high and low for rounds selected and gives every bit of information on every player available on the web.
There happen to be prospects who “MAGICALLY” fall to us because this is the deepest draft in recent memory, and the talent is plentiful at nearly every position.
These might not be 100 percent accurate, but they are hardly a magical dream that I thought up. They are legitimate options for the Broncos given the rankings from NFLDraftScout, and I’ve even laid out a first and second round almost in full to show that hey, this is possible. I didn’t pick our players before I did the full mock, I picked that as it went along.
I’d be interested to know what you consider a “realistic” mock draft, as there really is no such thing out of projecting the top 10. from the second round on, you are basically going BPA for positions of need based on the ranking system of your choice.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Love the mock....
Other than the fact that you have said numerous times that McClain would not be around for the 11th or even the 10th pick then you have him dropping clear down to 12th in this mock. To top that off you have us trading our pick when the very guy we could be targeting is setting right in front of us. Like I said, love the mock other than that.
Good point
I still doubt McClain will be there, but in this particular instance he is. And the fact that Bradford is still there too would indicate to me that this pick is more valuable dealt to someone else who will give us more picks to help fit numerous needs.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
Hey Say're, you didn't give the 5th round pick we got in the cardinal trade
just going off your picks, you have Iupati going 13th to the 9ers. If he is that high on the boards by draft day, I say pick him with our #10. Then try to move up to late 1st, early 2nd, to get Pouncey. I would be !@#$%’in in tall cotton then.
Thanks for pointing that out, I will make the edit. Any suggestions?
I am not an Iupati fan anymore, but I wouldn’t oppose it if we took him. He’s a big body and we need more of those up front.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
Nice mock, I like the top 3 in particular
Not sure Spikes would still be around by then but maybe, given the depth in defense this year.
Do you really think the Cardinals would take Bradford though? That basically says, “We have no faith in our former first round QB Leinart.” Which some would say is what they should think, but I don’t know if they’re ready to say it and commit to another young QB as a high pick. That said I’ll be stunned if they don’t take a QB somewhere though. And then sign a veteran to compete or back up.
But back to the Broncos… I like Pouncey and Spikes and I do want them to add more picks so this seems a cool road map here.
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excellent mock
I’ve been reading and seeing on the web (mostly from michael lombardi) about trades for players and it being alot like the NBA.
What i mean by this is, trading players who have similar contracts head up. In the case of Sheffler, if a trade is done for him by just swapping another player in the same position. Who do you think would be a fair swap?
guys i have been looking at in doing some research on this possibilty are other restricted FA’s like:
Arizona Cardinals guard Duece Lutui - Only missed one start last 3 years, would be a steal for the broncos in my opinion. Was released byh Miami earlier in the year, but had 4 sacks and 28 tackles in 6 games for the browns.
Cleveland Browns LB Matt Roth -
Washington Redskin DT Kedric Golston — played in a DT rotation, had 34 tackles, 2 sacks and a FF. Only on here if he can move to DE (6’4 300), I havent watched him and have no clue if he can move over, seems to have the body for it though.
I would be happy with either of the first 2 guys.
Just a hypothetical situation that i wanted to hear your opinion on
Very interesting point, DW76
I am very intrigued by the first opportunity you presented, which is trading Scheffler to the Cards for Deuce Lutui. I think both players fit needs for both teams. That would be a very good trade for us I think. Nice catch there.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
I don't understand
how saying “some could argue that it is Brandstater, but let’s not beat that horse any more than we have” is a valid statement to discredit why he is on the roster, he is the QB of the future. Why the hell would a team raft a QB one year and turn around the following year and draft another. Am I the only one who thinks that is absolutely absurd?
free special ed.
Lots of teams draft a QB in the later rounds
Its as much to do with development as it has to do with working the cap. You can’t bring in a veteran and have them working the scout team. There just isnt enough room in the salary cap to do that. I’ve been guilty of falling in love with late round QB’s in the past (Matt Mauck, Bradlee Van Pelt)
To say at this point that Brandstater is the future of the Broncos is presumptuous at best
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by johnnystarr on Feb 12, 2010 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
This is a post someone made at BroncoTalk.com:
fbronco 12 hours ago
Totally off-topic here but wanted to share a rumor. I’m in Fresno, CA and just came from dinner after talking with a guy who is a friend of the Carr family. David Carr’s brother Derek Carr is currently at Fresno State. Anyway, he told me that David is currently house-hunting in Denver. Might be that David is soon to be a Bronco.
I know, it’s one of those I-heard-from-a-guy-who type situations, but has anyone heard of this possibility? Wasn’t Carr the number one overall draft pick when he was drafted by Houston? Seems that if it’s true, he would be an expensive pick up.
Except that Carr has about the worst pocket presence in the NFL...
… to the point that he’s just about washed out of the league. He’d likely be a vet minimum contract, or just over.
I actually feel sorry for Carr… he looked like he had a lot of promise for a couple years. But he has bad pocket presence (50+ sacks multiple years), which was exagerrated by a bad o-line, which led him to regress and develop happy feet, which further hurt his release and pocket movement…. Folks for years thought his o-line was atrocious (they were/are not good), but as soon as Carr left the same guys suddenly gave up 50% less sacks per year.
He is the cautionary tale of what bad footwork/pocket QBs can turn into playing behind a bad oline (a cautionary tale Cutler should’ve considered when heading to CHI). He’s Cutler with a worse arm, slower release, and more tendency to take the sack rather than zing it into tight coverage (okay, so maybe Cutler is a bad comparison ;-)
In all fairness, he never got to practice his footwork
The Texans might as well have not even had an offensive line when he played there. Carr was sacked over 100 times in one season if I remember right. Poor guy. I think he fits this offense well, and from what I saw him do in spot situations this season, he has some skill in him. Very strong arm.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
Agree... definitely not all his fault
I just thing he’s irreperably damaged.
He had all the skills but one bad trait (pocket awareness), and then was put into a situation that amplified his bad trait (bad oline) to the point that I think he’s almost useless now. If he’d gone to a team with a decent oline and coaching that could’ve helped him with his footwork, we might have been talking about him now as a perrenial pro-bowler… unfortunately for him, that ship has sailed where he is so much worse than he once was, I don’t think he can ever recover. When he came in for Carolina last year after Delhomme got hurt, it was so bad they ended up basically just shifting to a single-wing rushing attack, because NO QB on the field was better than Carr.
He still has other skills that may allow him to make an occassional good looking play (arm, accuracy, etc.), but his overall game is just plain bad.
As I said, its very easy to ruin otherwise good QBs in this league, with footwork being the best way… Cutler should beware….
I and others have suggested it
But what options haven’t been suggested at this point? I don’t think Carr would be any more expensive than Simms, and his passing style definitely fits this system. I’ve always been a huge David Carr fan (one of the few non-Broncos jerseys I have) too bad he never turned out the way he could have. Maybe Denver can make him the next Kurt Warner :D
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe as a situational rusher on 3rd down
coming in for Mario Haggen, but I don’t see Joey Porter as a viable 3 down LB anymore.
And even then I like the versatility to play special teams and rush the passer that Darrell Reid showed. Plus Robert Ayers needs to play to develop. So do we need to spend more on a specialist?
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I heard he wants to play in California
I see him taking a spot on the 49ers
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
Just read on rotoworld
That Tennesse is already trying to lock up Amano. Supposedly he is their #1 priority.
I dont think a lot of the FA’s we want to get our hands on end up making it to FA.
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That's a bummer
A thin class of FA guards and centers just getting worse then. I think for sure Seth Olsen should prepare himself to be the starter.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
I would be fine with that
Dont know much about him but would like to think he was drafted for a reason
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I get the feeling Scheffler was sand bagging in latter part of the season.
The way Kyle looked at him after running a wrong route against the tRaiders at home, I swear he was burning a hole through him. We all know that Scheffler and cutler are good friends and if he some sabotaged the season then peddle his butt away. Something was wrong for McDaniels to suspend him for the last game. It wasn’t just because of a comment he made (“I can’t wait for this season to be over”). There’s more to it then that. In my opinion, I believe Scheffler is just like cutler, a self centered me first chump. I wouldn’t mind if McDaniels just cut him or take a 5th or 6th rounder for him. I have lost all respect for the man and I believe Kyle has too…
Interesting
Thankfully, there are the Browns, Bengals, and Cardinals of the world who will overpay for his talent :D
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 12, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Sheff
I dont know. WE never heard anything up to this year about him being self centered and no one after the fact came out and said it. At this point I see no reason to see why it couldnt be just fustration. He’s had a rough year and probably shouldve been traded last year.
Remember, athletes are human and get fustrated just like you and I would. If you felt you werent being used correctly in your job I’m sure you would be fustrated as well.
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