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What is McNabb worth?

 

The value of McNabb – It’s an interesting question.

 

I like McNabb a lot as a QB, I think he has had a career very similar to John Elway’s, he has been the face of the Eagles franchise and been their best offensive weapon for a decade.  He has continually had mediocre talent surrounding him in skill positions with the exception of Westbrook and one year with TO, yet he has been able to keep Philly competitive year in and year out and has come very close to winning a ring many times, but always comes up short.

 

Now the word is Philly may be questioning if they can win with McNabb, they have a young QB in the wings in Kolb who appears to be a capable player, similar to Tommy Maddox who everyone thought looked a lot better in preseason that John Elway.  The Broncos were faced with a similar question in 1992, can we win with Elway, we have Tommy Maddox, maybe we trade Elway for some players and get better.  A coach named Reeves started making the calls with the Redskins and eventually Pat Bowlen had to step in and get rid of the coach and keep the player.   Bowlen made the right call.  The question is will Lurie of the Eagles have to make a similar call and get rid of Philadelphia’s best coach to save the franchise QB?

 

I don’t know if McNabb coming here solves our problems, does it make the Broncos a playoff team?  Last year Philly was a playoff team but got bounced quickly by Dallas.  Does adding McNabb make us a similar team?   There are some pressing questions that have to be addressed, mainly the interior offensive line and defensive lines of the team.  Without upgrades to both units, this team will go nowhere except to another mediocre finish.  It looks like most of the free agent defensive lineman that we may have been targeting will likely be franchised or cost an arm and a leg.  And there are slim pickings on the offensive side of the ball as far as free agents.  We will need to address both areas in this year’s draft and hope to land some select free agents that can contribute immediately.

 

The problem I see with the McNabb trade, is that every person that has proposed it has us dealing a 2nd rounder and maybe a 4th or some player for McNabb.  If this was somehow a possibility, I would say this deal would have been done a long time ago.  But the Eagles aren’t stupid (maybe their fans are), if Jay Cutler is worth 2 first rounders, what is a player like McNabb worth?  McNabb has shown he is a consistent pro-bowl QB and likely HOF, he likely has 4 to 5 good seasons left in him if he stays healthy where he can play at a championship level (see what Brett Farve and Kurt Warner did this last season), so why would Philly be willing to dump McNabb for such a cheap price.  McNabb is under contract for next season and there likely will be a lockout in 2011, so not having to pay guaranteed money after next season is a huge bonus.  If we trade for McNabb it will likely cost us at least a 1st rounder this year, a player or two (Elvis?), and other picks in this year’s and next year’s draft.  And this year’s draft is going to be rare, there is a lot of very good talent from top to bottom and players that would have been top 20 picks last year are going to be available in the 2nd and 3rd round this year. Which will make it very hard to address the offensive and defensive lines effectively in the short term.   The question is McNabb worth that amount of investment, can he elevate the team not only to a playoff team, but a team that can compete for a championship without addressing the core issues with the offensive and defensive lines?

 

The next question is, how does McNabb and McDaniels work together?  McDaniels obviously has a very demanding style, especially on the QB position.  I am sure he can yell at Tom Brady and Brady likely could care less, because he is Tom Brady and he knows he is the man in New England and he is in no jeopardy of losing his job or position on the team.  Similarly, yelling at guys like Orton and Cassel is accepted, because lets face it, they are lucky to have jobs in this league and they can and will accept any abuse to keep their jobs.  But a guy like McNabb is a different story, McNabb is a bonafide superstar and pro, if we make the trade for McNabb it will be to get McNabb.  And what I mean is that Orton was essentially a throw in for Cutler, I don’t think we had ever targeted Orton as a QB, it was just part of the deal that made sense and gave us value.  We will be trading for McNabb to be our starting QB (I think when we traded for Orton there still was the idea that Orton and Simms would compete for the starting job).  I doubt McNabb wants a coach who is younger than him screaming him down like he is on the JV High School team.  McNabb will be a UFA next season, and if we make the trade, we would need to sell him on the idea of being a Bronco long term.  He has a house in Phoenix and I am sure the Cardinals would be an ideal spot for him to go to after next season.  So are we willing to risk a fair amount of draft picks and future of the team for what could potentially be a one year deal with McNabb.  Could McDaniels and McNabb become close enough for McNabb to see Denver as a place to finish his career, or would McNabb bolt to the Cardinals to be playing at home with a team that is ready made to compete for championships?  

 

So I guess when we get worked up about getting McNabb here I wish we may be a little more clear of the potential costs and risks to the franchise.  That we may be sacrificing long-term success for a gamble that McNabb can somehow transform the Broncos into a championship team.  The end of the Elway story obviously was that Elway won his championships after the coaching change was made and there were improvements to team, specifically the offensive line was upgraded, we got a HOF RB, some tough WR, and made tons of upgrades on the defensive side of the ball.  Bringing McNabb here does not guarantee anything other than hopefully upgraded play from the QB position, but we still need to surround him with talent.  He will not be able to win a championship on his own.  Can we make that trade and still fill the other holes on the team and get him to stay?    So I ask you, what would you be willing to sacrifice to get McNabb, what is his value to the Broncos?



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If Jay Cutler is worth 2 – 1st Round Picks , a 3rd and Kyle Orton than McNabb is probably worth a 1st Round pick.

I was hoping for 2nd but I think that might be a little low.

by Broncosfansd on Feb 16, 2010 12:26 PM MST reply actions  

McNabb could be an expensive quick fix,

and never win us a Super Bowl. In my opinion if McDaniels is not interested in the Orton project or he doesn’t think that Kyle has what it takes to take the Broncos all the way, then he will be thinking about drafting a prospect for the future. Now the question is…“Would you be willing to sacrifice to get McNabb, what is his value to the Broncos”? If I were rebuilding a team I wouldn’t want somebody elses baggage, I would buy my own and that would be what ever it costs…Trading up to get the guy I want if he’s there or if I like a guy in the middle rounds grab him there. I’m not a proponent of free-agent quarterbacks, because if they couldn’t make where they were what makes us think that they somehow will make it with us? And I know he wouldn’t go somewhere to simply be a backup, so what you are saying is Kyle Orton can’t ever be “THAT” guy…Right?

by bfree2bronc on Feb 16, 2010 12:54 PM MST reply actions  

I think your over valuing McNabb

The guys great, but u mention his age, and thats y i believe his price is lower than u believe. You bring up Cutler, well the difference is Cutler was 25 and a pro bowler, hence the 2 firsts and a throw in QB.

I think a 1st or maybe 2 2nds gets this deal done, and that even might be a bit high. There’s no way we trade Doom and picks for this guy. Maybe we trade Doom and get McNabb and picks.

Truly tho, i would prefer Kolb. I think he can be brought in for a deal similar to Schaub, and he can be a guy I would trust to lead an O for years

by DBroncs1414 on Feb 16, 2010 2:10 PM MST reply actions  

I really don't see age as that much of a factor

Cutler was a pro-bowler, but he had not taken the Broncos to the playoffs, McNabb has consistently gotten the Eagles in the playoffs and usally deep in the playoffs, he is older, but still in the late prime of his career. He still has 5 or maybe 7 years left of beng very productive, the only way you can justify sending him chepa if you are the Eagles is to say there is no way we can resign him next season and Kolb is the answer, but I still have a hard time not seeing another team offer more than a 2nd rounder for him, I think the Raiders or Cardinals would gladly fork over a 1st rounder this year and some players. Teams like the Browns and Bills maybe wouldn’t give that much, because they know it would be hard to resign MCnabb and they are more than a few players away.

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by Broncoman on Feb 16, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I think age has a lot to do with it

And no to all those bad teams u said. McNabb has a no-trade clause in his contract, so he has to agree to a trade before it happens, and hes not goin 2 a rebilding project. Cards mayb, but im not sure they wanna giv up on leinart just yet, look at the other guys in his draft who got 2nd chances: Young, Bush, Davis. I think the only true contenders for McNabb are us and Minny if Favre leav.

And yes, when it comes to draft picks, age is huge. There is no way you can say Cutler after his 08 year has as much value to a FRANCHISE, not a SEASON, then McNabb does to a FRANCHISE. Cutler than was a guy you can build ur team around for a decade and he still mite b that guy who knows and who cares. Point is tho, if ur getting McNabb right now, u r saying SB or bust, since u cant rly build a team around him at this age, theres just not enough time

by DBroncs1414 on Feb 16, 2010 10:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Kolb is certainly more intriguing

Yet, Pioli in KC might warn us to look twice before pulling the trigger on a young buc with limited film. I don’t think Kolb is on the market anyway. I don’t think we have any reason what so ever to believe he is on the market. McNabb is old and the kid is the future. McNabb was only signed to a two year contract for a reason. And if they don’t trade him this year, they’ll get nothing for him next year.

Not really sure what I think they’ll get for him. Certainly less than Cutler. I think your ideas there are probably pretty close to what I would think.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Feb 17, 2010 2:07 AM MST up reply actions  

In fact, I guess I would say less than a first is most likely

The responsive team would need to extend McNabb to ensure they own his rights after this year (else the draft picks only bought them a one year QB). With the potential for no football the year after… well then the responsive team has to look at the liklihood of bringing in a guy to play one season, then be like 36 the next time he plays a game. That’s probably no more likly than any other scenario, but it would have to at least be considered as say like a 40% chance.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Feb 17, 2010 2:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I can't stand all this McNabb talk.

I hope he gets traded somewhere else quick so this McNabb to Denver talk will stop. I would hate it if he came here.

by BroncoMath101 on Feb 16, 2010 2:17 PM MST reply actions  

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by BroncoSense72 on Feb 16, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

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by weazel on Feb 16, 2010 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

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by BlobTheMagnificent on Feb 16, 2010 11:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Disagreed.

“And what I mean is that Orton was essentially a throw in for Cutler, I don’t think we had ever targeted Orton as a QB, it was just part of the deal that made sense and gave us value.”

I disagree completely. We had similar if not better deals from teams like Washington and Tampa Bay. Orton made the Chicago deal. McDaniels watched the tape and chose Orton and Chicago and thought enough of him not to make a play for Sanchez or Freeman in last year’s 1st round.

I can’t wait for this McNabb talk to die down. I’m from Philly. Love McNabb. I’m happy McDaniels is investigating. I just don’t see how he fits in our system, and if he does to a small extent- the price is still a big issue.

by Vortex7 on Feb 16, 2010 2:37 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

You don't know what the Washington and Tampa Deals were

What QB were we going to get from Tampa? You could argue that Cambell is better than Orton, but you don’t know what the total compenstation was from Washington, maybe it was only a 1st and a 2nd and Cambell and McDaniels may have liked Orton better than Cambell, but unless you have some definateive source saying Washington offered a certain package, you can’t say it was the same deal. The point is that we were not targeting Orton as a starting QB, I think any deal for Cutler it was probably assumed we would get a starting Qb back and the draft picks, but my guess was the draft picks were the bigger part of the deal than Orton was.

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by Broncoman on Feb 16, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Peter King, rly?

I think him and clayton are the 2 MSM guys we rip on the most here, so bringing him here is kinda funny

by DBroncs1414 on Feb 16, 2010 10:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Laugh all you want

but it’s straight reporting that’s been documented elsewhere. McDaniels liked Orton’s tape and said so publicly when the trade went down.

by Broncologist on Feb 17, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Much too expensive to consider on several levels.

Any asking price will be too high for a team that needs every pick it has in order to fill gaps and weaknesses. Every pick spent to bring him to Denver sets the franchise back as far as restocking the tools needed to be competitive. Even if the deal went down, it would take at least a year for him to grasp the new system. The guy has only so many years left, and the first would be wasted. The only QB in Philly that would interest me is Kolb, but again, the price would be too high considering that an upgrade at too many other positions remains a higher priority than QB, at the moment.

by jayrockstone on Feb 16, 2010 3:52 PM MST reply actions  

Unless.....

We trade Marshall for Kolb!

"Just trying to win a MF game."

by Digger24 on Feb 16, 2010 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

I agree. What?

The only way I’m for trading Marshall is a deal like this. All that 1st and 3rd crap is for the birds. Maybe BM for Wilfork and ????

"Just trying to win a MF game."

by Digger24 on Feb 16, 2010 7:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Dont think that would work

They hav two bright young WR’s in Jackson and Maclin, and Avant showed some flashes. Although I think they could use a possesion guy, I dont thnik Marshall is in their price range for such a low need

by DBroncs1414 on Feb 16, 2010 11:00 PM MST up reply actions  

3 way Deal

"Just trying to win a MF game."

by Digger24 on Feb 17, 2010 7:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry broncoman..

but McNabb has had excellent players around him and he has excelled. But he is not a franchise or elite type QB. I lived in Philly for 21 years and the Pundits have said it best "McNabb can not handle pressure’. He has proved that point in the one SB and the two NFC championships. He chooked plain and simple.
He had one year were he was over 55% completions and over 80% QB rating. That year was with TO.
Also he does not have the QB smarts to run this system.

by DLMyers on Feb 16, 2010 4:42 PM MST reply actions  

He is not worth anything to the Broncos

let him stay in Philly.

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by KaptainKirk on Feb 16, 2010 6:17 PM MST reply actions  

Good thoughts man.

I would like to get a guy like McNabb because he is an upgrade easily. Philly would be insane to get rid of him…we’d be insane not to pursue him.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 7:58 PM MST reply actions  

McNabb plays an average of 12.6 games per year over the last half-decade

He’s a scrambling QB; they get injured. Nothing bad towards McNabb, just saying what our own eyes tell us. And McNabb will be what, 34 next time he takes the field? He’s an aging scrambler, even more risky.

I wonder why the Eagles only gave him a two year contract? Partially due to having Kolb? Sure. Still makes you think though. Not all QB’s play untill they’re 40 like Farve, and those who do play so long don’t generally have the injury history.

Do I think McNabb will be traded? Absolutely I do. But why would we want an expensive, aging, injury-prone QB to join a team that already has a very competent QB under center? We’re not likely to go to the Super Bowl this year, and McNabb’s not likely to be any more effective than Orton in four years.

Teams that are a position away from being complete – like the Ravens/WR and Vikings/QB (last year) – well, those are the sort of teams that will be looking at McNabb.

We, on the other hand, are certainly not a single position away from being a deep playoff team/SB Team. McNabb is under contract to make $11.2M this year; why would we pay our much needed draft picks to take over that contract… when Orton can be tendered for like $3M?

That’s not an upgrade. It’s an expensive stop-gap; Orton is already at least a stop-gap. And bringing in McNabb means we would need to retain an additional competent QB, like Orton, to fill in when the scrambler gets hurt, anyway.

Denver doesn’t need to barter draft picks for a sexy and expensive veteran QB. If the powers at be decide we need to upgrade for the future, that Kyle’s not the guy, fine. But it will be a young guy to build the future around, not an expensive veteran that won’t be around in four or five years.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Feb 17, 2010 1:58 AM MST reply actions  

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