Draftivus: Workhorses
It's time for me to stop screwing around and get down to business. First off, I admit I don't watch much college football, but my awareness is enough to know what's going on in college football and I do watch some film. Most of what I know comes from reading the opinions of many, many different people.
In fact, I spend lots of time reading websites dedicated to draft prospects, team needs, ect. Mile High Report is also dedicated to those things and my only goal here is to add to the information already being disseminated by the other excellent writers around here.
This post will not be an actual "mock". There are plenty of those to go around right now and I am sure that as we get closer I will be moved to share my own mock draft. Instead, I'd like to focus on certain players that may not be "first round talent", but could very well be targeted by McXanders come draft day. At least I hope they target one or two of these players.
I will start off by saying that I am starting to think that we reach with our first round pick and take Mike Iupati. I know many around here think we take Rolando McClain or Dez Bryant or whatever, but I honestly think that Iupati's rising stock after the Senior Bowl and our glaring need for an Interior lineman might cause us to reach a bit for him.
Reach is a bad word here, because Iupati will become a perennial all-pro. I have never liked the term "reach", because if you draft a perennial all-pro then your draft pick could not ever be considered a "reach".
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
I'm not sure if I like this kid because he has everything I'm looking for in a corner or if I like him because he hails from Boise State.
Either way, I would be quite pleased to see him nabbed in the second round. We had serious issues with depth in the secondary last year and even brought in some forty year old retiree to help us out(Ty Law). As much as I like former all-pro's, I'd rather depend on building for the future. I was disappointed to see Jack "MF" Williams let go, but I must trust the coaches in that regard.
The following is some analysis from CBS Sports. I found their analysis to be concise and I really didn't want to relay too much outside information here. Just some basic analysis from people who watch more college football than me, followed by some of my Bronco-centric thoughts on each section afterwards.
Zone Coverage: Has a low, tight backpedal. Good speed to maintain cushion. Quick feet to change direction efficiently and locates the ball quickly with a closing burst.
I found this description to be adequate and revealing. I noticed that we ran quite a bit of zone coverage last year and his skills in this area could benefit our defensive system immediately. As much as I like Alphonso Smith, he just seemed lost at times in zone coverage. I wonder if he was better suited for man-to-man. I still think Alphonso has been coached up and will eventually get over this learning curve.
Closing/Recovery: Aggressive defender who will bait the quarterback in zone coverage and can break on the ball quickly to make the interception. Times leaps well and can snatch the pass outside of his frame. Can make the first defender miss as a returner and is an elusive runner with good vision. Sets up his blocks well and has the burst to squeeze through gaps and the breakaway speed to go the distance.
Not sure if I am a fan of this tendency. I suppose it depends on how often he tries to bait the quarterback. NFL quarterbacks are not as gullible as college quarterbacks. I just envision him trying to bait a QB and the QB actually baiting him into doing the baiting and a huge pass play would result. Something like this is totally intangible. Every CB tries to bait quarterbacks, the great ones do it well(Champ), the not so great ones get beat(Bly).
Run Support: Plays with a cover corner mentality and rarely involves himself in run support. Has only averaged seven solo tackles a season in three years as a starter, despite posting 117 total tackles through his junior season. Flashes physicality as a hitter, but is typically more of a duck-and-swipe tackler. Has taken advantage of unsuspecting and defenseless receivers catching passes over the middle.
Tackling: Duck-and-swipe tackler who prefers not to get involved in run support. Takes too long to get past the receiver's block and rarely attacks the line of scrimmage.
Hopefully, having a guy like Champ Bailey as his tutor, Wilson would become a more solid tackler. I have no doubt a young guy like Wilson would have his mentality changed about run support after watching Champ lay some wood. Every young cornerback wants to be like Champ, right?
Intangibles: Can be antagonistic on the field and has a tendency to play through the whistle. Reportedly had a spectacular offseason in the weight room and on the practice field prior to the 2009 season. Re-dedicated himself and was characterized by the coaching staff as developing into more of a leader. Surprised many when signing with Boise State after starring at powerhouse Piscataway High School in New Jersey. Led Piscataway to three consecutive state championships, earning MVP honors of the state championship game as a junior and senior.
Intangibles are like, ah, opinions - everyone's got them. I want a guy who has heart and I would not be upset over Kyle Wilson being a Bronco in 2010.
Donald Butler, ILB, Washington
This guy was a one year wonder, however, my bias is working itself into my opinion once again. Donald Butler graduated from Del Campo High School, just a few minutes from my home here in Sacramento, so I can't help but root for a local. We need help inside and Butler has the size and speed to make a solid contribution on our starting defense. I thought about targeting someone like Sean Lee, but his injury history worries me too much. I'd rather take a risk on a one year wonder like Butler, than a guy who has injury concerns. Especially at a position that gets punished as much as ILB does.
Butler is projected to go in the fourth round, but I think his draft stock will continue to rise. Using our third rounder on him would be a bit of reach, even for me, as there is no guarantee he will succeed at the NFL level. Though, we will pick around #111 according to Jeremy's estimates and he is currently ranked 125-140 range. He could very well be gone by the time we pick, but I'd be happy if we landed him in the fourth.
Here is what my good friends over at CBS Sports had to say:
Read & React: Leans forward pre-snap, almost falling forward in anticipation of the run on early downs. Takes a tentative step forward at the snap and explodes out of his stance toward the line of scrimmage. At his best defending the stretch play, as he has the burst to break through the line when he sees a gap to make the tackle for loss. A bit over-aggressive stretching plays out wide. Can get ahead of himself and leave cut-back angles for the quick back to exploit. His false-step toward the line leaves him vulnerable to quick passes, but he's athletic enough to re-direct quickly.
A lot of this is concerning and I think he would benefit from backing up a guy like Andra Davis for a year, or some other veteran. I tribute much of these issues to being switched back and forth between OLB and ILB up until his Senior year. He had his break out year when he was left to play just ILB. Sound familiar, DJ Williams? I have to trust Don Martindale will coach this kid up.
Run defense: Reacts aggressively to the run. Quick to the hole and has the burst upfield to take advantage of gaps and close for impressive tackles for loss on outside runs. Takes on the fullback with a violent pop and uses strong hands to disengage quickly on the isolation. Isn't as effective against offensive linemen, as he has to pick a side as they arrive. Athletic enough to slip off as the back comes by to latch on for the drag-down tackle, but is too often engulfed by the blocker when the runner correctly reads the direction of the block. Good speed to the sideline. Is too fast, at times, coming in a bit out of control and leaving cutback lanes. Strong pursuit laterally and downfield. A reliable open-field tackler.
Run defense is this kids strong suit. He seems to enjoy going after the ball carrier. Much of his concerns in this area can be coached - if he is inclined to learn that is. The worst thing he could do, though, is become Nate Webster-like in his tendency to over pursue.
Pass defense: Takes a false step at the snap, but has good balance and quick feet to change directions and recover for quick passes. Good route-recognition and overall athleticism for an inside linebacker. Focuses on his assignment, rather than the quarterback and is athletic enough to react and maintain good coverage. Often forced the quarterback to look elsewhere due to his sticky coverage. Has a burst to close when the ball is thrown.
I really do not like this section. The level of quarterback play in the NFL is a huge cut above anything seen(except for a tiny handful of schools) at the college level. I hope his abilities against the pass will translate into good pass coverage abilities at the pro level. I just don't think I can say with any degree of certainty if it will.
Tackling: Not an explosive hitter, but is a generally an efficient wrap-up tackler that plays with good balance in the open field to make the secure stop. Can be a bit out of control when he crashes the line at full speed and is forced to lunge at the ballcarrier. Good strength for the grab on and drag-down tackle as he's fighting off blocks. Good hustle in pursuit.
As much as I love Steve Atwater and his wood laying abilities, I much prefer a sure tackler to a guy who just wants to "get the big hit". Many times, that "big hit" results in the runner just bouncing off them for another 10-15 yard gain. I like Butler's motor.
Pass Rush/Blitz: Shows good straight-line speed to close when he has an open lane. Good lateral agility and balance to avoid blocks. Dips his shoulder to get under the reach of the guard. Attacks the running back with a full head of steam and has enough strength and use of leverage to drive him into the pocket as a bull-rusher, but his overall lack of size and strength is exposed when taking on linemen, who typically are able to simply absorb his initial hit and engulf him. Doesn't show much in terms of pass rush technique. Good effort.
One thing our team lacked last year, was a good interior pass rush. Davis got in there a few times, but he always seemed a few second shy of getting to the quarterback. Butler appears to have the ability to get through defenders to make the play. We need that additional element on defense. Our pass rush cannot always come from Elvis Dumervil.
Intangibles: Voted a team captain in 2009. Earned Most Improved Defender honors in 2008 while switching between inside and outside linebacker due to injuries to teammates. Has a knack for making big plays in big games. Named national defensive player of the week by Walter Camp Foundation the Huskies' 16-13 win over No. 3 USC, when he had 12 tackles, two tackles for loss, a forced fumble and an interception. Posted six tackles, a TFL and a sack against Cal; 3 tackles, including a TFL and an interception in the overtime loss to Notre Dame.
About the only thing in that quote that interests me is that he was voted a team Captain. I consider the ILB and S positions to be the most natural leadership positions on defense. I really think this kid has what it takes and a full year in a limited backup roll would go far to help him become a solid starter for our team.
Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State
I saved the best for last. If there is one guy I really want to see don the Orange and Blue in 2010, it would be Alex Carrington. Defensive End is the one position on our defense that I see as a major weakness. Most people think that defensive tackle is a weakness, but I must keep faith that McDaniels sees something special in Chris Baker.
Carrington has the size and versatility to play in our version of the 3-4 defense. He excelled in both the 4-3 and 3-4, so our team doesn't have to worry about his position when they switch up the formation as they frequently did during the 2009 season.
Currently, he grades out in the mid to late third round, but his stock is rising rapidly. Hopefully he is available when the Broncos pick in the third and hopefully McDaniels spends about three seconds deciding to draft the kid.
CBS Sports' take:
Pass rush: Only marginal initial quickness off the snap and lacks the speed to consistently pressure the tackle's outside shoulder as an edge rusher. Good strength and arm length for the bull rush, but relies on this technique too often. Incorporates a rip or spin into his repertoire, on occasion, but rarely. Can get upfield quickly due to his long stride. Closes quickly when he has a free lane. Doesn't use his hands and size to his advantage as a pass rusher, only batting down two passes over the past two years.
To be honest, pass rushing is all fine and dandy, but we already have Elvis Dumervil. I am, and I hope McXanders is as well, not looking for a pass rushing defensive end, though it looks like he can make plays in the passing game. It isn't his specialty, but it is in his repertoire. That's all I can ask for, since it is the run defense that needs help.
Run defense: His best area. Has the length and strength to hold up at the point of attack. Locks-out with the tackle and has the lateral agility and balance to work his way toward the sideline, stringing out the sweep. Instinctive, physical run defender that rarely loses contain.
Anyone want to guess where the Broncos defense ranked against the run last year? I don't even want to look it up, because I know its really bad. This reason and this reason alone is why I want this guy on our team. Stopping the run is the single most important factor of a dominant defense. Our defense was great against the pass last year, but its easy to defend the pass when all you are doing is chasing running backs!
Explosion: Average quickness off the snap, rarely forcing the tackle onto his heels in pass protection. Flashes some pop with his initial punch to break free from the offensive tackle, but isn't consistent enough in this area.
This is an area that he can work on and with each snap he plays in the NFL he will get better at the point of attack.
Strength: Lacks the explosive strength to instantly disengage, but is "country strong" and thus can walk the pass blocker into the pocket on the bull rush, as well as hold up at the point of attack in the running game. Plays low to the ground despite his frame and flashes the ability to toss aside the blocker to make the play in the hole.
I like this quote here. Everything about Carrington screams, "blue collar". I like blue collar and I like "country strong". Our defense has been softever since Al Wilson went down. McXanders needs to change that culture and adding a guy like this will only help them change that culture a little bit faster.
Tackling: Good balance and strength to slide off blocks and latch onto runners as they go by for tackles near the line of scrimmage. Has a short burst to close when opportunities present themselves. Flashes some pop on arrival, but isn't an explosive hitter. Long arms are useful in tight quarters, as he's often able to trip up elusive runners even if he is forced to lunge at them due to moderate lateral agility and straight-line speed.
Again, I prefer sure tacklers to heavy hitters. A stop at the line of scrimmage is better than a massive hit that sends the ball carry three or four years down field. I like the way this kid moves on the line and though he had an up and down Senior Bowl, I also think college linemen get away with far too many holds.
Intangibles: Graduated with a 3.52 GPA in Psychology and plans to return to grad school and become a clinical psychologist after his football career. Recruited by the likes of LSU and Mississippi, among others, but elected to come to Arkansas State to remain closest to his son. Started the final 36 games of his career. Also plays on special teams, including as an in-line blocker on the field goal and PAT units.
I like the idea of a Psychologist playing on the defensive line. I also like that he has measurable intelligence. McDaniels likes tough, smart football players. Carrington appears to be both.
Team Needs
The way I see it, we have three glaring needs and two immediate needs. Glaring needs are positions where we are seriously deficient and immediate needs are positions in which we should upgrade soon.
Glaring Needs: Guard, Center, and Defensive End
Immediate Needs: Inside Linebacker and Cornerback
My hope is that we draft two Guards, ILB, two DE, and a CB. We can probably pick up a serviceable center through the CFA market. Mix in a WR, TE, and possibly a QB and I would grade out the draft pretty well.
I will likely come out with a Mock Draft eventually, but for now you can probably put these three guys on my list. I might change my mind by then, but for now I like these three prospects more than most. After all, I am just now starting to get into full-on draft mode.
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Sweet read & rec'd
TJ I like how you, and all the other posters who are able to come up with such great summaries. That’s simply not a strength for me, so having people who can fill in that part of the football world is greatly appreciated.
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Not TJ, but thanks! lol
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by Tim Lynch on Feb 18, 2010 4:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
OMG, my brain went bye-bye today
not a good sign. LOL
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Great post, Tim
I love the draft, and I love hearing about new prospects. These in-depth scouting reports got me thinking. It seems to me like you would enjoy a draft that looked like this:
1(10): Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
2(45): Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
3(80): Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State
4(116): Arthur Jones, DL, Syracuse
6(187): Patrick Angerer, LB, Iowa
7: Erik Cook, G/C, New Mexico
I know I didn’t add Butler, but Jones is too good of value in the fourth
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 18, 2010 4:03 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I am just starting to delve into the entire process. As I get more players into my data banks(brain), my thoughts and wants will change. :)
Butler is a hometown hero around here, so his choice was sentimental. ;-) I like his work ethic and desire too.
But yes, I’d be happy with that draft. lol
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Welcome.
Come right in, the draft waters are great! I’m still shaping my views on prospects as early as the run of the first to second round!
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Poll changed...guess I should have paid attention to how much attention the Guard position has gotten in recent weeks. :)
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Thanks for sharing the insights
on these players. I like Carrington a lot and he also seems to have a bit of a nastiness to him, which is really great for a DE. Wilson is the kind of over achiever teams need as they drive others to perform better, so I think he’d be a great fit in secondary. I’m not sure what I think about Butler, is he a one year wonder or not……hmmmm
The problem I see with so many mocks out there is most are centered around what the author thinks a team needs. Which, as we all know from experience can be totally different that what the teams staff thinks is a neeed. Love reading them though as they present lots of great insight and can in some cases be very thought provovking (like Sayre’s mocks). Oh the possibilities…….
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
I think our team needs are....
good players. :)
It’s hard to determine what team needs are. None of us thought the secondary was a need until McXanders expended so many picks on it last year. lol
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Amen to that.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
I read the mock drafts to learn more about the players available...
But don’t you know that we here at MHR DO know more of what our needs are than the team does!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 18, 2010 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
I'm STILL waiting for mr Xanders to give me a call
I have time set aside just for him..
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 18, 2010 8:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
We have the same tastes.
I really like Wilson especially, but I have a hard time seeing him clear the first round at this point. I think he might be off the board as early as Atlanta. But if he fell, and Denver pounced, I’d be excited.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Feb 18, 2010 4:15 PM MST reply actions
I've seen him graded in the middle second round with a half dozen other CB's graded in front of him.
I am hoping that will enable him to fall into our laps. Of course, grades mean nothing. All that matters is how other teams have their boards arranged. If Kyle’s near the top and not 5 or 6 down the list then he could likely be gone!
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Ya I've seen him in several
mocks going around the Atlanta pick as well. I think he rockets up the board after the combine personaly, so being there in the second may not happen. But hey, we can dream can’t we. :o)
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
I'll have to re-evaluate my wish list then.
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Question
The 3-4 doesn’t use DT’s, so why is there a choice in your poll?
And why have people chosen that answer.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My bad....slip of the brain. I meant NT.
Too late to fix it now.
I’ve been studying 4-3’s for so long that it really was just a mental mistake. DT=NT in the poll…sorry.
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No problem
It totally went over my head that it could possibly be a typo. LMAO!
I’m not used to brain farts happening, but BShrout has shown it to be contagious.
And things happen in threes.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Feb 18, 2010 10:11 PM MST up reply actions
hmmmmmm . . .
me thinks me either needs to:
(a)keep my mouth shut, or
(b)put a post it on my screen with the name of the original poster in large block letters.
;-p
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
great stuff! I love how I can come here to begin my study of the players out there!
I love that folks are noticing the need at CB. I sure hope raw speed and size are considered if we do REACH for one… If we’re not drafting a sure starter, then I’d like to see the tangibles present at least. As far as the poll, I went tackle but you swayed me a bit with the Baker point. (plus F/A will play a role here as well I think)
Again thanks for doing much of the work for me.!
Thanks!
I liked Kyle’s size and speed along with his smarts. CBS Sports compared him to Dre Bly, but Bly is much shorter and less agile imo. But what do I know.
We did reserve a roster spot for Baker all year long just to have him remain inactive all year long. That was enough to sway me to look elsewhere from NT.
Draftivus really is the greatest time of the year! At least we don’t have to suffer through reality…no 6-0 starts and 2-8 collapses. lol Just endless possibilities!
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lovin it already! ( I secretly love the Boise St angle as well, you should see my latest score - a fitted B St. hat for ten bucks!)
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 18, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
lol...it's hard not to like a college team with a Bronco for a mascot!
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Don't you all love how every "expert" mock out there has us taking Dez Bryant in the first round?
Yet none of us have yet to select WR as our most pressing need?
I don’t even think we take Bryant if BMarsh leaves town. That would be such an amatuerish, short-sighted move in my opinion.
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Take a quarterback or trade down
Kyle is not the answer folks. give me a guy who is accurate, mobile and can read defenses.
Shoot me in the head if Simms is on the team in 2010.
"3 and Out Baby" I ride the short bus!
*sound of broken record*
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 18, 2010 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
lol
If for some crazy reason a top QB dropped to us… maybe. I’d rather get in the Jake Locker race next year and shore up the team this year.
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 18, 2010 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
QB may be a need down the road, but
we should at least see how Kyle works out…..before wasting a pick on another QB when we need so many other positions!
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Maybe not over the long haul...
But most of the games the Broncos dropped last year were lost at the line of scrimmage. For the moment, Kyle is solid enough to allow the team to address the gaping wounds.
Hooray!
More love for Alex Carrington. That’s why I love doing the write-ups I do — I find guys like him.
Nice job, Tim. I’m intrigued by Wilson.
I still don’t think that we should approach the draft with anything near the idea that “We need a Center, let’s get the best guy we can!” I would very much rather have intelligent, tough, versatile O-linemen who can move up and down the line rather than a marquee guy at a position that will take 2-3 years to be impactful.
I keep wondering why CB gets overlooked as a need of ours. Even though we’ve used our 2010 #14 pick on Alphonso Smith, we could still very much use a solid value corner who slips in the draft. Nice job pointing this out!
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 18, 2010 5:59 PM MST reply actions
That #14 sure is a sore spot about this time of year...
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 18, 2010 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
I was a qualified supporter of that trade last year
and this year will prove the pudding to me:
If he at least shows #14 pick promise, I will fully support it. If he looks like 2009, I will start to seriously and loudly call that decision into question.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 19, 2010 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
problem is...what is done is done...
Smith will always be compared to whoever Seattle takes at #14.
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ouch...Smith was a 2nd round pick. period. let's just word it like that from now on. lmao
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See my comment above
I’m not a hater of that decision. This is pretty much the only time I’ve said anything publicly negative about it.
Because this year is when the rubber hits the road. It’s not now or never, but it will be decision time after 2010 is over.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 19, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
This is a QB league. The Broncos don't have one that can take them anywhere.
Hence, that’s the biggest need.
who would you draft at #10 then? Would you have us trade multiple picks to move up and pay a fortune for a risky pick that we don't have the team to support or protect?
a late rounder with physical skills would be my choice for this year.
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 18, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
Orton is serviceable...we have other glaring holes.
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You're right
We need to draft a QB who can make plays while he is on his back.
by Velveeta on Feb 19, 2010 6:11 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
!! LMAO
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 19, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
*scratch... scratch... scratch...*
Can someone please take that tired old record off? It’s sounding a bit broken.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
by Sharpe as a Tack on Feb 19, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
I can't believe I have to say it again
The QB position is set! IMHO…see below
The QB position is set.
Lynch this was a good post :)
Don’t want to take anything from Lynch and to lazy to make a fanpost right now so ill keep it short.
As you know EJruiz has a new position and so is not able to continue at MtD with the draft I am leading (Co-leading) and I would like to know if any one is interested. If you are you can im sure contact EJ or go to MTD and go the the post in my name for info as I don’t want to do it on this post. Thanks guys.
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Agree some and not
TL.I like the work you guys do in researching players. I don’t have the time or energy to do that much work. I don’t want to discourage you from doing it often.
I’ve always been a “best player available – balanced by need” kind of guy.
In addition, over the years, drafting QB, WR, TE and RB high has IMO been very risky, for the value received.
Also agree that QB, TE and WR are not pressing needs for the Broncos, even if Marshall and Sheffler leave, which I don’t necessarily expect (Sheffler maybe).
Orton and Brandstater make me more comfortable than anything I see in this draft. At least, in the first 4 rds. Some interesting choices for both QB and WR in the later rds.
I see our biggest needs as OL, especially C and G, but would see a good tackle as versatile enough to both fill one of the spots or backup all three. I’d like 2 Ol’s from this draft and like the crop of tackles better than the guards or centers. I’d take Anthony Davis at #10-11 in a heartbeat (or Okung, Bulaga or Campbell should one of them fall).
DL, especially the down three which I refer to as DTs (NT in the middle) to distinguish them from OLB/DEs in the 3-4 or 5-2 if you prefer. These front three need to be able to stuff the middle and push back the pocket while occupying at least 4 if not 5 blockers. Big, strong and as quick as possible. (Cody or Cam Thomas at NT; a host of possibilities at DT). Need 2 here also.
Then a CB and mayber a safety for depth.
Like Wilson in the 2nd – he’s very quick and appears agressive.
Carrington is one of the slowest ILBs in this draft. Like Angerer better.
Actually would like us to take the best available OTs and DTs in the first 3 or 4 rds, I think.
A QB or WR would seem to me a waste. There are good prospects in late rds of FAs.
Enjoy the thought provoking banter!
by ivanthenotsobad on Feb 18, 2010 8:03 PM MST reply actions
good thoughts. I meant NT...too many years watching Shanny's 4-3's
DE is a huge, overlooked, need right now as well. :)
Good thoughts, thank you!
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Team needs
I think we need help at OG/OC. The need may not be as bad as some folks think, but I think it is one of the higher needs. The same with NT. Fields is good enough, but if we could run a 3-4 (or what we’re really running – a 5-2) with a monster NT, the entire defense would improve dramaticly and right away. The center of both lines (in my opinion) are the biggest needs. Of course, this changes if we lose a key player from elsewhere (WR – Marshall, DE – Doom, etc)
But the elephant in the room (and I don’t think most folks notice this) is DBs. All of our DBs are older, and any of them could decline at any time. Even if we bring in a good DB or two, we’re not going to get perfect picks everytime. We’ll also want to stagger the ages and contracts of the guys we bring in. We have prospects at both CB and SAF, but nothing definitive yet. I think a mid or high round pick ought to go to a DB position in each draft for several years, and FA shouldn’t be forgotten either. DBs isn’t immediate, but if we don’t start working on it now, in three to four years we might face a crisis along the entire backfield.
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good call
DBs make up 18-20% of our 53 man roster, so it is reasonable to assume that we need to add at that position every year, even when it is relatively healthy. Add in Dawk and Law (if we resign Law—I hope we do) with Champ unlikely to be resigned if his contract warrants being among the tops in the league (someone will be willing to make him a top paid corner on his 3rd contract and in his 12th+ year—I doubt it is us), and we need to have three starters by next year.
Hmm, I think a closer look at the DBs are warranted…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 18, 2010 10:14 PM MST up reply actions
What about Chris Baker?
Any idea why McD would keep him inactive, but on the roster all year if we have no plans to make him a starter?
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Training
Tim, I caught an article on it. Nunnely was working every day with him and with Pedescleaux. They would start the morning by meeting with Nunnely at 7:30 and going over film of the practice before, being forced to critique themselves as well as each other and receiving one by Nunnely. Baker, in NE draft terms, would have a flag because of the level of competition and the level of coaching at Hampton. Nunnely was trying to fix that. The denverbroncos.com article suggested that it was working, but that’s what I’d expect from their site ;-). Still – reason to be hopeful.
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Excellent info.
Thanks Em!
I have really high hopes for Baker too…
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Also...
Most of us (including me) are looking at this in the context of team need. If we go (once again) with BPA (Best Player Available), then all of this is moot.
Frankly, I’ll be happy if none of our key needs are met, yet the team picks up the best players available. It seems counter intuitive, and some folks can’t get past the need to pick for a position. But BPA is a solid approach, and it takes a few years to really kick in. Needs can be approached by trade or FA, while the draft comes close to ensuring excellent players, regardless of position.
In fact, here’s a personal request from me to all of you writers out there. Would someone be interested in doin a mock draft based soley on Denver taking the BPA, regardless of need? Who would out picks be then? That angle would facinate me, and could be wildly different from most other mocks.
Anyone?
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Needs met
I agree that needs are met with FA or a trade. It is not sound team building to take a rookie and expect that rookie to upgrade your position. occasionally a rookie like Clady can come in and perform at a high level but that is the exception. Taking the BPA seems to be a debatable philosophy also. How do you rank high risk/high reward player in comparison to a solid albeit not spectacular starter in early rounds and a contributer in the later rounds.
I think Shanahan liked the High risk/High reward picks and ended up with a risk more often than not.
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SN
I’ve tried doing that. But I always stumble on trying to predict what other teams will do. So I’ve developed a kind of sliding scale.
For instance, I have a rating list that I work on that ranks the players.
Then I highlight the ones most likely to be available in our positions.
I’d then take the highest one available.
For instance, on my list currently the top 11 prospects are, in order:
1 Hdamukong Suh
2 Eric Berry
3 Gerald McCoy
4 Russell Okung
5 Rolando McClain
6 Derrick Morgan
7 Joe Haden
8 Anthony Davis
9 Earl Thomas
10 Taylor Mays
11 Bryan Bulaga
In a “Best Available Approach” then I take the highest ranked player who was available at #10-11.
I could do no worse that Bulaga. But expect that other teams have a different order. If they have Bulaga ranked higher he’s gone. But Mays then falls to me. If they have Bradford ranked higher and/or Clausen and or Dwyer, or whoever, Davis, or even Haden might fall to me. Many have Dez Bryant ranked in the top 10. Maybe even McClain falls to me. I would take Haden or McClain over Davis if all three were available. We may have a bigger need for Davis, but Haden and McClain are better players.
Which makes it difficult to predict what each pick might be but it makes each pick interesting because of the possibilities of “falling stars”.
I’d love to see Cam Thomas fall to #45, but wouldn’t pick him earlier. Would also be reluctant to trade down just to fill a greater need. High picks in certain positions (not QB or WR) are pretty good value and better risks.
by ivanthenotsobad on Feb 18, 2010 9:28 PM MST reply actions
You make a great point.
Someone can make an entire post out of this approach. First (as you point out) comes the difficult job of ranking the players, then (even harder) predicting how other teams will pick (based, most likely, on “need”).
Then, who is left as the best player available, regardless of our need? It is a tough job, but I’l bet that the folks that specialize in drafts at MHR could take a crack at it. I like to think I’m pretty sharp, but the draft isn’t one of my areas.
(At the very least Ivan, who do you think we would get as our first pick?)
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by Steve Nichols on Feb 19, 2010 1:06 AM MST up reply actions
Al Davis will screw up your "based on need"idea
lol
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Who says that "a fast 40 time" isn't a need?
I mean, they have Jamarcus the Hutt on the team. That guy brings down their overall average team speed, therefore they draft burners with no other obvious skills…..
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by kentuckybronco on Feb 19, 2010 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
Anthony Davis as first pick?
SN – I think Anthony Davis might stil be available at #11-12. I think either he or perhaps Harris might be able to switch to guard. It would IMO be an interesting scenario.
However, I wouldn’t pass on Bulaga.
by ivanthenotsobad on Feb 19, 2010 7:22 AM MST reply actions
I'm not big on comment but.....
as someone who enjoys solid offensive line play, I would love to see Iupati and Pouncey on that line. I want bulldozers on that line and for our backs getting tackled in the secondary as a result.
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Awesome read Tim.
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