Bronco 1st round reality
by DLMyers on Feb 18, 2010 4:05 PM MST
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PrintI am a pro football enthusiast, no not an expert, just a rabid fan who reads a lot about the sport. I use the blogs to post ideas and thoughts as to what MAY happen. No where close am I a talent evaluator, just a Monday QB.
I have read and firmly believe this to be fact; invest in the tackles because they have the longest longevity of players.
The offense is in good shape with Clady and Harris. Polumbus is developing into a quality backup. The defense has bodies that could put the Broncos in good shape with McBean, Smith, Baker, Fields, Powell, and Pedesclueax but they have not ‘shown up’.
If Suh or McCoy were available it would be a no brainer, right? But now the very good second level must be evaluated. Is it a Price or Williams or Odrick. Even next with Alualu, Thomas, or Houston can be there in the 3rd round. 2010 draft have many very good DL and OL players, all worthy of a high pick.
My thought is to try and trade down from #10/11 to pickup more picks. Yes I realize that that would be giving away the defensive QB at ILB. If the trade is into the 18-20 range then the Moscow Idaho beast is there. If the trade is 21-28 then pull the early trigger on the franchise center from Florida. This still leaves much picks for the CB, DL, WR, and RB that are needed to bolster the team.
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Trading back is a good idea
But idk if we should pass on McClain if he’s there. Someone like that can definitely improve a defense for many years, especially because he’s a great leader. If he’s not there, I’m all for it. In my opinion, we should try to get Pouncey with our first rounder then. He’s very versatile and could even play some guard if need be. If we get a second 1st rounder from Marshall, I really think we should trade down with one, unless McXanders really likes two guys like they did with Moreno and Ayers.
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
What I want
Is to drop 5 or 6 places to 15/16 (NYG want anyone?). Pick up Iupati.
Use whatever compensation is received for that first move, and move up from 45 to the 25-30 range and pick up Pouncey if he’s still around.
Perfect #1 and #2. Can you imagine the future OLine? Clady, Iupati, Pouncey, Kuper, Harris? Kuper is your weakest link??!! Wow.
However I also kinda like Bryant. I have a feeling I’ll be happy no matter what with this draft.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 5:20 PM MST reply actions
Well okay...no
RB and TE and S would be the round 1 choices I wouldn’t be happy with.
But I would even be happy with OT because I can see the logic. (playing at OG and backing up for Harris’s injury).
Actually even if they took a safety I’d probably be happy because it would mean that Eric Berry had fallen.
I think you’ve chosen the only scenario I wouldn’t like…
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
What about Carlos Dunlap or Terrence Cody at 10/11?
I would personally be very unhappy with those.
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
sigh...
Cody would be a reach that wouldn’t happen.
If Dunlap was picked, well… okay. Not happy also.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
But I would even be happy with OT because I can see the logic. (playing at OG and backing up for Harris’s injury).
I don’t think that is good value though. Basically, you’d be selecting a G at 10/11. Not worth it.
But if it was Iupati?
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
In recent years I don't think any G has been taken higher than 18
That includes guys like Mankins, Jahri Evans, Hutchinson and Faneca. Most mock drafts I’ve seen (whether from fans or “experts”) have Iupati no higher than ~16. Iupati looks like he will be a great G, but unless he is projected as a T he is not worth 10/11.
I agree Timimus
Even the best guard in the draft isnt worth a 10/11 pick.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Let me ask you...
If it turns out that Harris can’t play because of this toe of his… would you be happy that we took a tackle that could play Guard?
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
I can see what your logic is, but what is the intent for that player?
Are you intending him to play T and backup at G, or play G and backup at T?
I suppose I have been looking at this situation as Harris being ready to play and therefore I would not take a T so high, and certainly not if I were intending him to play at G.
Yeah I've heard reports that's it's pretty damn serious
I don’t know what that actually means time wise. But Harris is also due for free agency next year I believe. So having a ready backup would also give some negotiating leverage.
I’m not going to pretend that I know which tackles could best convert over to guard. But I would draft with an eye to guard (planning on having harris) but knowing I was adequately covering the RT position too just in case.
It’s not my ideal situation but my point was that I would understand if it happened.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
A player that I think would be a surprise to most, but I can see McD doing something like this, is Bryan Bulaga with the 1st pick.He has been projected to be a good player at OG, & is one of the top 4 OT’s. He is a better fit at RT. He would sure cover a lot of the what if questions on the O-Line.
by rg2247 on Feb 18, 2010 7:33 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."-- Oscar Wilde
by PredominantlyOrange on Feb 18, 2010 7:46 PM MST up reply actions
Okay... yup that's what I'm talking about...
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 7:48 PM MST up reply actions
And thanks for the heads up..
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 7:49 PM MST up reply actions
Good call on Bulaga rg
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Feb 19, 2010 6:43 AM MST up reply actions
I totally agree
I just threw Bulaga out there, because there always seems to be a big difference between what us fans want, & what the coach ultimitely does in the end.
If it were up to me, I would take Iupati at #10, without blinking an eye. Then try to trade up for Pouncey.
I rec'd that too
If guard is a need at that point, I think you’re on to something.
Having said that, and totally agreeing with you, that would still have us picking a guard/backup tackle at 10/11.
I think we take Neal out of FA and diminish the need. But if not, your idea has much merit. Original. Nice!
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
FA will have a lot to do with final decision
A good FA OG would change a lot of the draft. I agree with you on trying to get one, just not on the one you named. Neal is getting up there in age, & older players start regressing quickly. I think that is the reason NE is not trying hard to retain him. He sounds to me like Hochstein, Part 2.
The one I would love us to go after, is Rob Sims (Seahawks). He is much younger, & from what I have read, was the lone bright spot on their O-Line this past year. My choice would take a lot of luck though. Teams usually don’t let a good player, in his prime, get away.
I really don’t have a problem taking Iupati at #10. He appeals to me a lot more for what we need, than the other players currently projected in the early teens of this draft ( with the exception of maybe McClain ).
yes and no.
Harris was a 4th round pick. I still think you can get a solid RG later in the draft. I definitely agree with the idea of making sure we have an adequate backup for Harris.
I definitely wouldnt hate the pick, but wouldnt mind seeing that pick spent on OLB or DL.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
3rd round
I agree DL would be good… But like I said, I’d be happy with almost anything this draft.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 18, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
sorry,
I thought it was 4th but i stand corrected.
If this draft is as deep as its being let on to be I see no reason for reaching on a certain position (guard, center) with a first round pick when a very similiar player can be had in round 2-4.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
I think this is a deep draft
but not at every position. OC, &OG, are not as deep. Very deep at DT, S, CB, WR, & maybe even DE. If you want a top OC, or OG, you are going to have to either try to move around with your picks, or may have to reach a little.
That's what I meant by
Actually even if they took a safety I’d probably be happy because it would mean that Eric Berry had fallen.
Although I don’t think we need one, if he’s there – pull the trigger
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 19, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
Yup. Best player available
But, McXanders’ draft strategy is “best player available at a position of need” meaning, look at the very best player available. If you feel that that position is definitely set and the addition of said player isn’t a giant upgrade, go to the next best player available. So if Berry and McClain are there, they could go either way.
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
Did you notice some
must have looked at my mock ‘cause they now finally see Neal as a good FA guard?
Anyway, my mock had us getting down to 15, but I didn’t take Iupati. I think I’m going to pull that up and rework it with him instead of Williams.
"Just trying to win a MF game."
If you don't remember how I got to these picks you will have to go check out my mock.
15. Iupati
29. Pouncey
61. Cam Thomas
92. Lamarr Houston
112. Kyle Calloway
186. Pat Angerer
223. Marcus Easley WR Connecticut 6-3 214 4.40
"Just trying to win a MF game."
Marcus Easley
Those are impressive numbers, but why is he rated so low? Low production? Bad hands? Bad route running? I honestly no nothing about him.
Me neither Ha Ha
Just saw him down there. Thought someone might have some inputm about him.
"Just trying to win a MF game."
His stats for last 10 games. Which was pretty much his stats for his career.
Rhode Island (Sep. 26) 2 26 13.0 0
at Pittsburgh (Oct. 10) 2 100 50.0 1
Louisville (Oct. 17) 6 108 18.0 1
at West Virginia (Oct. 24) 5 157 31.4 1
Rutgers (Oct. 31) 5 81 16.2 1
at Cincinnati (Nov. 7) 6 87 14.5 1
at Notre Dame (Nov. 21) 4 67 16.8 0
Syracuse (Nov. 28) 6 105 17.5 2
South Florida (Dec. 5) 8 122 15.3 1
South carolina(Jan. 2) 4 40 10 0
"Just trying to win a MF game."
UConn
is a run first offense. They really haven’t had a real good QB since Orlovsky. You know the QB for the Lions in 08 that was running for his life and stepped out of the back of the end zone.
Iupati won't last past the halfway point in the first round. I just don't see it happening.
We’d be pretty solid taking Iupati even if McClain is available. imho anyway
I’d be okay with that if and only if the next 3-4 picks were defense.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Trading Back.
The ammount of sellers early in round one dwarfs the number of potential buyers each and every year. Of course I’d be interested in moving back a few slots and picking up additional draft picks, but who is going to want to trade with us like that? Flesh out that part of your idea and I think you’ve really got something!
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Hello E.J.
Trading back in the 1st round IS hard to do. Small moves are easy to do though. In my mock I had us winnning the 10 spot, trading back two spots with Miami for the price of a 4th round pick basically, then trading back again with NYG for pretty much the price of our 4th for their 3rd. They have not given up much for the insurance they get their guy. Then we start thinking about how to get our guy(Pouncey). We make a package of picks to sell to NYJ at #29. They gave up a lot of picks for this draft so will be more than willing. Whala, Iupati and Pouncey.
"Just trying to win a MF game."
Except this year
Early chatter has a lot of trades should be made due to the strength of this years draft. Of course that remains to be seen but with all the underclassmen entered this year we should expect to see more moves. Everything I’ve read from the so called draft experts says expect a flurry of trade offers.
I’d like to think we’re sitting pretty being just outside the top 10 where the signing bonus drop considerably.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
OCs and OGs
Years ago, no OL players were picked in the first two rounds of the draft.
Then it changed that OTs started to be regarded as skill positions and got drafted earlier.
With the switch of many teams to the 3-4, the same thing is starting to happen to OGs and OCs.
Don’t be surprised (as is happening with both Iupati and Pouncey) to see them move up the board. And be even less surprised if OTs are drafted with the view of filling them into OG and OC spots. Especially with this draft where the number of high quality OTs is high.
by ivanthenotsobad on Feb 19, 2010 7:54 AM MST reply actions
Ivan, the Broncos were among those that started that trend
You could read here if you’re interested
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
Iupati may be the best thing since the invention of popcorn
then again after the draft he may be just another offensive linemen…An after thought. I would be as risky to take Iupati at 10/11 then it would to take Dwayne Robertson at #4…Just saying mind you…
nice post
totally agree.. Great players in February dont make great players in december
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
by johnnystarr on Feb 19, 2010 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
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