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Why Do We Mock Drafts?

Thanks in large part to the tireless efforts of Sayre Bedinger on the front page and the myriad contributions of our enthusiastic community on the sidebar, Mile High Report has seen a steady stream of mock drafts – and diverse variants thereof – so far this offseason.  For those like me who rejoice at the simple thought of the upcoming NFL Draft and revel in constant preparation for it, those posts are an endless treat.  For others, however, it must feel like a relentless deluge destined to drown their spirits and devastate this site.  This piece is written for all of you, regardless of your level of interest in the draft, hoping to shed some light on why we discuss it as we do.

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We are all here, at MHR, because we care about the Denver Broncos.  Whether we are veterans of this site or newly signed-up today, eternal optimists or perpetual skeptics, diehard fanatics or ignominious trolls… I typed these words and you are reading them now because we have a continual interest in our team.  Therein lies a conundrum, however: how are we to sustain a robust discussion about a subject whose season lasts all of 26 weeks?  The solution is simple: we draw main themes from how we engage with that season, apply them to the few meaningful events of the offseason and extend them as best as we can throughout the periods in between. 

 

For a fan base, a season typically follows a rather predictable arc.  In the beginning, an inordinate amount of irrational optimism or pessimism is voiced, rarely tempered by the efforts of the far steadier but generally more reserved majority.  Once the games begin, instant analysis takes hold and a reactionary cycle results.  Upon its conclusion, a more measured reflection takes place and eventually leads to the contemplation of the future.  That space between those two offseason deliberations, that’s where the draft and all of its accompanying hype occur.  Because they exist at that fulcrum point, one which creates a very powerful nexus, they can become incredibly important and attractive to some fans.

 

The truth is that NFL Draft is the only point at which college and professional football meet.  It is an event that illustrates the repercussions of the recent past, holds all the promise of the future and all the possibilities we can fathom.  It is where most if not all championship contenders trace back their roots and where downtrodden franchises being their long journey back to the Promised Land.  Unlike with free agency, the teams hold all the cards, but they’re all wild!  When it comes to the draft, we can experience the entire arc of the football season compressed into an even shorter period of time without the definitiveness that limits elation only to those supporting the sole survivor of the postseason.  Regardless of whom we are and what aspect of the Broncos we care about the most, we all have something potentially valuable to add to the debate about what our team should do in this April’s amateur draft.

 

I realize that it may be too easy for me, as a person who already cares for the draft and who will begin writing about it here soon enough, to appreciate MHR’s already exhaustive coverage of it.  To be entirely honest, I don’t expect everyone else to feel the same.  What I am hoping is that this piece shows everyone just how similar it all is to what we do during the season itself.  It’s all about better understanding our team, rooting them on and embracing all of the little things that make sports so great.  So, the next time you come across yet another mock draft and grudgingly ask yourselves "Why?" dig a little deeper, remember what it’s all really about and find some common ground upon which you can actually enjoy it.

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Thanks for this,

Great piece that echoes my sentiments. I have a proposal for the powers that be. As some other sites do, we should have a daily or weekly “draft drawer” where all the mocks can go into that one post. What are your thoughts on the pros and cons of that?

by swg777 on Feb 19, 2010 6:44 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I think that's a good idea

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

by Horsepower on Feb 19, 2010 7:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks EJ well written (as usual) and well timed article...

I really enjoy the quality, well thought out, realisticly possible mocks…I just get lost in some’s thought process within the “out there” scenarios that are thrown against the perverbial wall…I could get behind swg’s idea of a “Mock Space” on the side bar?

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by BroncoSense72 on Feb 19, 2010 7:12 AM MST reply actions  

95% of the posts lately are mocks....

The FanPost area is the Mock Space.

We have little say in what people write about. If you have Mock fatigue, search out the non mocks and see what else people have to say.

I’ll admit that I have a bit of mock fatigue, but that will pass once I really get some research under my skull.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2010 7:30 AM MST up reply actions  

I like the idea that we get alot of information on prospects, but the fanpost area would be the best spot for it.

Reasonable detailed posts if not received 15 times are lost in one day. People put in a lot of work on some of these posts and they need time for comment. I will be doing one mock for the prize (if there is one this yesr) after the free agency.

by bfree2bronc on Feb 19, 2010 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Too many. And TOO EARLY.

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 7:22 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

lol

Think of the too early mocks as a “get to know” the various prospects.

Later on the mocks will become defined and more familiar.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2010 7:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Then it’s too many too early.

At this rate, you guys might as well rename MHR something Mile High Mockdraftwebsite version 54.0

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 8:05 AM MST up reply actions  

I just looked at the recent fan posts.

Update alert… Mock draft Version 57.0.2c

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 8:08 AM MST up reply actions  

FanPost section is member driven.

You all decide what to read, write, or rec in that area.

I suggest you and others like you, rec any non mock….it might encourage more non mock posts. Just a thought.

I try to read as many as possible, but I’ve been busy lately.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

I don’t read any of the mocks…

Why… because that poster will have a new and improved mock to read one day later and then another and another. It’s overkill. member driven overkill.

As critical as I am of McDaniels (so I’m not the guy), there are still a lot of good (& positive) fan posts to be written about the 2009 Broncos and where we are headed. Where are the fan posts ranking Clady vs other LTs of the present or past. Ditto Ryan Harris.

Where is the post about McDaniel’s clock management skills (which are excellent IMO but other’s may disagree)

The story about Wesley Woodyard’s impact as far as the pass D is concerned?

The overall improvements made by our ST over the last five or so games of the season.

A post about the emergence of Gaffney.

Something about the impact of Goodman and Hill (esp Goodman).

An analysis of Fields and how he played this season/his impact – would be my favorite story.

Many really good stories out there to be written, but instead… its mock after mock or stuff about why guys that had a bad season in 2009 are “going to be fine”.

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

As an ex-staff member, I agree on those stories

And, as an ex-staff member, I encourage the members to write them. Your writing skills are pretty good, McG. I hope that you’ll grab one or two and that others will do the same. If staff members get to any, that’s great too.

Don't say rebuild - say reload...

by Doc Bear on Feb 19, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m waiting to see how the Marshall and Elvis situations play out before I write anything. If I see any more top shelf talent exit Denver, my head might explode and I’ll be in no mood to say anything positive about this regime.

My biggest fear with McDaniels is that we all wake up two years from now after a 4-12 season and say, "Where did all the talent go" as McDaniels is kicked to the curb.

In his one year at the helm, what McDaniels has not shown me at all is an ability to retain talent OR to acquire talent and nurture that talent. Seeing so many of our rookies and 2nd year players regress or struggle in 2009 was very disheartening for me. I love that so many of the FAs were better (often much) than expected, but I believe a team builds thru the draft and uses FA to only to spruce up the roster where it’s needed. Building a roster thru good FA signings and crummy drafts (more importantly, crummy player development) is a receipt for disaster. I saw a lot more negative than positive in 2009 when it came to our young players.

The positive pieces are there to write, but not yet for me to write. Of course I want Denver to win. I want them to win the Super Bowl ever year. But I honestly don’t think McDaniels is going to succeed as a HC. Not this current version/iteration of McDaniels anyway. I’m not trying to be negative or mean or a cynic. I honestly believe that based on what I’ve seen so far. He needs to show me A LOT more before I put my faith in him the way so many at MHR already have.

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Tfhen write some good, well-documented negative ones

Personally, whatever your take, I’d like to hear from more folks. the short thread comments don’t always do justice to your opinions and I think that researching and showing specific examples of these perspectives would be a great addition to the community. Food for thought.

Don't say rebuild - say reload...

by Doc Bear on Feb 19, 2010 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

My skill set is best suited for the short thread comments. In this sense, I’m like "The Situation"
Quantity over Quality. That is my motto.

Besides, I don’t have a way with words like the good writers here. I stick to my bumbling opinions.

So you good writers need to step up your game. Break free of the mock drafts and write something about Fields or Gaffney or an analysis of why Prater excelled in 2009 vs falling apart in 2008.

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Heck, McG, I wrote that one and you hated it ;-)
or an analysis of why Prater excelled in 2009 vs falling apart in 2008.

Much as a lot of folks did hate it, most of the issue arose from the lower quality coaching of the STs under Shanahan. Even though some of our ST play this year wasn’t what any of us wanted, the coaching for the place kicker was much better. Prater did better (and said this repeatedly over the year) in great part because he was forced to kick to much in training camp 2008 while competing for the job (a major reason why he didn’t compete this year, btw) and then too much in practice during the year. Once a kicker develops serious overuse leg issues – pain and fatigue, which are repetitive motion injuries – all of the ‘suck it up and play’ in the world won’t help. You can’t rest it during the season and it won’t heal any other way. It will change your kicking motion. some have commented that this must have influenced his confidence – I’d be surprised if it didn’t. He was in a ‘danged if you do, danged if you don’t’ dilemma.

I recognize that this is counter-intuitive for many football fans, but medically it’s perfectly logical. A Few Moments of Panic by Stephan Fatsis prophetically covered the topic in detail.

Don't say rebuild - say reload...

by Doc Bear on Feb 19, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

2009 taught me I need to learn to keep my mouth shut when it comes to kicking.

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 6:09 PM MST up reply actions  

McGeorge...Your comments have become the driving force of MHR

and what it represents. Thoughtful and very intellegent. I read them all dude, keep up the great work!

by bfree2bronc on Feb 19, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I concur

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Feb 20, 2010 8:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks guys. Very nice of you to say.

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by McGeorge on Feb 20, 2010 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

McG

You are an excellent writer who backs up his opinions with evidence.

If you’re more comfortable writing short pieces:

1)Write a short fan post — just a couple of paragraphs
2)Post one or more questions to invite discussion of your points
3)Then invest the bulk of your time/effort in writing the type of well thought out comments that are your trademark.

In a word — we need your voice to balance those like me who always default to the positive side. :)

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Feb 20, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Ditto what he said

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Feb 20, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL

Exactly. I’m excited about the upcoming draft, but it is way too early.

And it is especially annoying when you keep having knuckleheads calling for us to draft Tebow (anywhere higher than the 3rd round) or Bryant with our 1st. UGH

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Feb 19, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Or to draft Bryant if we end up retaining Marshall on a long term deal and sign a deep threat in FA . Which we would do in March, hence changing our needs entirely vs what they may be today.

TOO flipping EARLY 124.0.

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

Not enough other posts to read. Although I do try and take the time to go back and reread MHR University.

by papasteven on Feb 19, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

An unhealthy trend I’ve noticed in journalism and reporting is the NEED to be the FIRST to report a story, find a hot young prospect or point out a new trend.

Most of the real stories are lost because everyone is searching for the next big story. Mock drafts hit this well since you’re trying to call who our next star will be before he is even drafted.

There is a 95% chance Dez Bryant and/or Pouncey will never play a down for Denver. There is a 50% chance that neither will be impact NFL players. But all I read about right now are guys like this. We are past the introduction stage with these prospects, they are now living in our house and going thru our fridge. Until the day after the draft when they end up in Buffalo and Carolina and we never hear about them again.

What about guys like Fields, guys like Gaffney, guys like Mike McCoy. There are so many Bronco stories that get no play because everyone wants to be the FRIST guy on "the Broncos are going to trade up for Jim Clausen" bandwagon which then becomes the Broncos trade down for Jahvid Best bandwagon.

San Diego Super Chokers – The annual preseason Champs, eternal post season chumps. Stay Classy

by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 3:37 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd that last part
What about guys like Fields, guys like Gaffney, guys like Mike McCoy.What about guys like Fields, guys like Gaffney, guys like Mike McCoy.

I’m not that interested in Mike McCoy per se (although an article on him would be great) but this was the time when more stories about Broncos players could come out. Hopefully, someone will pick that up.

One other request – if you have yet another rumor that has to be posted, how about posting it under FanPosts? Very few of them have any business as front page news or even posts.

Don't say rebuild - say reload...

by Doc Bear on Feb 19, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t know the first thing about Mike McCoy since our O coordinator is never discussed. It’s weird.

I know more about Itupi and McClain than I do about our O coordinator.

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by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 6:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Rec

Great point

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Feb 19, 2010 4:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Replying To All Of Your Comments Here...

I get what you’re saying about there being too many produced too often and too early in the process, but they’re happening because people are interested. I too wish that there was a greater diversity of FanPosts, but if people like you who write well and have a ton of ideas don’t do it, who will? I happen to think your topics are interesting and I would really like to read extended articles about them. By the way, never worry about being critical, so long as you’re careful about tone and document your opinions as best you can. I’ve always appreciated our discussions, so keep up the good work!

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry, but I know myself. Fan posts are not what I do best. I’m a short thread comments guy.

Mock drafts are like cigarettes or drugs. I think mocks are an addiction. Becoming an unhealthy addiction.

San Diego Super Chokers – The annual preseason Champs, eternal post season chumps. Stay Classy

by McGeorge on Feb 19, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I have a love hate relationship with mocks

I’ve been reading them and keeping an eye on some of the other sites out there since the end of the regular season. And as much as I love them, all you need is one trade like the Sanchez one last year and all that work is up in smoke making the whole prediciton thing completely useless. Although I suppose a lot of mocking is about looking at what ifs…..

by mikebirty on Feb 19, 2010 8:02 AM MST reply actions  

True.

But that’s not the only value of making mocks. It’s a way to think about strategy, learn about prospects and get a better feel for the whole league. That said, we still have contests for accuracy for a reason!

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Refine them and save them for Draftivus

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Feb 19, 2010 8:10 AM MST reply actions  

that is my goal.

I still plan to cover more prospects like I did yesterday…more my benefit as much as everyone else’s. ;-)

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Great read & rec'd EJ

I didn’t vote in the poll, because I’m torn.

As someone who does not write mock drafts, I appreciate the effort and passion that goes into creating them. They raise my awareness of who the possibles are.

On the other hand, my attention starts to wander a bit when I think I’m reading the 15th list with only a name or two variation. Then I start to skip over them.

On the other hand — am I allowed to have 3 hands? I love how much participation among our membership they generate. During the mock draft period, I see many names that I’m not used to seeing with any regularity. So, in that regards, I think they’re valuable.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Feb 19, 2010 8:19 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Yes!

They work and passion that goes into some mocks is truly impressive and enjoyable. It can get a little repetative as we have nothing new to change things and so many are published, but that’s where we need fresh ideas!

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Well said EJ

I love reading the mocks myself, although, I’m reluctant to venture into drafting one myself. I like seeing who my fellow fans are thinking might help the Broncos improve in the coming years. What’d McGeorge say 57 and counting on this sight alone and then add in all the other sites out there and wow we’re talking a lot of mocks to see. Some make me think, some laugh and many I flat ignore as they don’t make sense once you really look at them. The problem with mocks is, we can pretty much figure what the needs are of the Broncos and maybe have a clue what direction the staff might be going. The other teams, well that’s where the reall speculation comes in….

I do like the idea of place to sort all of them on the sight, however.

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"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Feb 19, 2010 9:07 AM MST reply actions  

Selectivity.

The good thing about most mocks is that they can be quickly skimmed in a manner in which you can glean the value yourself and move on from there. The best way to avoid fatigue is to be as selective as quickly analytical as possible and try to minimize the time you spend on the kinds that bother you most…

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I like mock drafts.... i learn from them

But “in my opinion” the fan post section is for a posting some original thought. It’s for entertainment and letting people know how you think. If that is in the form of a mock draft then so be it.

But just using that as a forum to sprout an idea that’s popped in your head is a bit selfish. It takes attention away from better, more well thought out pieces of work.

And the other thing – this is just my opinion – but fan posts should be for original thought. If you see an article you want to highlight or comment on, then post it where it’s supposed to go – in fan shots.

I have to be honest, I’ve started flagging articles in fan posts if they are just copy-pastes some other journalists work. They should be in the fan shots. Then it’s up to the staff to decide if I’m right or wrong. It’s none of my business after that – I’ve stated my opinion.

But I love mocks. I learn a lot from them. I hope people continue them.

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

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by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 19, 2010 9:14 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

I am not too fond of copy and pasted articles from other websites into FanPosts. If there is an article you like and want to share with us, throw up as a FanShot.

However, if you liked an article and want to “quote” and respond to it like I did yesterday, that’s different. You would be copy nad pasting an article, but adding your response and opinion to it. That kind of thing can be quite useful and informative.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

+1

"Just trying to win a MF game."

by Digger24 on Feb 19, 2010 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Tim.

People need to start using FanShots, but they’ll continue to be underused if they go largely ignored. As a community, we need to make an effort to incorporate FanShots into our routine here at MHR…

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

alas that has been an endless topic of conversation among the staff....

how oh how to incorporate the fanshot section more fully?

it truly is the $64,000 question. lmao

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2010 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

the sad thing is, I'm not being sarcastic. lol

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2010 6:48 PM MST up reply actions  

It's chicken and egg stuff Tim

People don’t go there because it’s sporadically used. So it’s not worth checking, right? And it’s not worth using.

Why wouldn’t you start moving inappropriate fan posts (like reposts of website articles or short 2 or 3 line comments) into the fanshot section?

The theory being that a) people will get the message and b) people will start looking there.

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams

by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 19, 2010 7:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Too many...

But only because the front page ones all are coming from basically one person…. Sayre.

Don’t get me wrong, I highly appreciate Sayre efforts. He’s put a lot of work into his mocks, and I’ve learned a lot about a number of the prospects from him. I appreciate that tremendously…

That said, he by necessity comes into the mocks with his viewpoint, and no matter how many times he does the mock, the picks always reflect HIS VIEWPOINT. We tend to get many of the same players, such as his predilection for Iowa players (which I love as both my parents are Alums and I grew up in Des Moines), etc. come up over and over again.

At this point, I’d much prefer a series of columns with just his write-ups of each of the players, without the mockery of pretending its in anyway a prediction of what will actually happen in the draft.

That or get the same type of high quality writing and in-depth of analysis/mocks from some different viewpoints…. which is why I tend to skim his picks in recent articles and go straight to the forum discussion on the players he threw out there.

by cjfarls on Feb 19, 2010 11:46 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Fair Enough.

At the moment, Sayre’s the only front page voice mocking drafts because he’s ahead of the curve enough to start producing them rather confidently. I’ll be joining him soon enough and others will as well, so just try to be patient with us…

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Always have patience for you all...

This was not meant as a criticism of Sayre, MHR, etc.

It is still VERY EARLY in the offseason, and to have the depth of draft analysis that Sayre has provided to date already is great.

THANK YOU SAYRE!

I just think there might be a better format for sharing all his great insights and analysis. Even as is, the discussions his mocks have prompted have been great, so just that makes his posts completely worthwhile, and I read every one.

by cjfarls on Feb 20, 2010 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I like to keep my cards close to the the vest....

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2010 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Great Article

really liked the comparison to the draft to the whole season. Ridiculous optimism and being foolishly hopeful, then after the combine comes great analysis and lots of different opinions. Then the draft comes and then comes a great analysis of those that were chosen. Of course all of these mocks are rather pointless because we have no idea what will happen in free agency or at the combine but it’s all in good fun.

by JAYson G on Feb 19, 2010 11:57 AM MST reply actions  

Fun.

Mocks at this point serve to get us thinking about the draft and keep us busy while we wait. They’re supposed to be fun, but at their current pace, they could produce fatigue.

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

The trades in the mocks

for unrealistic extra picks is what gets me. It’s easy to have a good looking mock when you’re picking 6 picks in the top 80 prospects.

"Just trying to win a MF game."

by Digger24 on Feb 19, 2010 12:02 PM MST reply actions  

Trades.

I never predict trades, not because I don’t think they will happen, but because they’re so difficult to forecast.

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Mock question...

I get the feeling that many mocks suffer from “team tunnel vision” where we’re really familiar with our needs, but our mock picks for other teams simply echo what everyone else says (MSM, mock draft gurus, etc) are needs for other teams. I’m not saying they’re completely off the mark, I’m just not sure we’re getting the real inside scoop. I think we alleviate this problem somewhat when we do our MHR mock before the draft and have folks ask other team sites what they’re expecting their team to do in the draft. However, I’m not sure the mocks I’ve seen thus far account for that, mainly because it’s really time consuming to understand all the needs for each team.

All that to say, I’m going to try and visit other team sites, local newspapers, etc to see if I can understand what other teams might do (not just what the talking heads assume they will do). I think we’ve got plenty of folks tracking our team and think for those who might be mock weary, looking to other teams might give us some insights into what may happen around the Broncos picks, which obviously impacts our picks. Just a thought…

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by bcfunk on Feb 19, 2010 12:21 PM MST reply actions  

Excellent Idea.

I often rely on fans of other teams to test the ideas that are floating around in the MSM and the Internet at large. The more you know, the better your mock will be and the more useful the exercise will be.

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I had that same thought

and yesterday went on my way to check out other teams sites. Lo and behold, right on the first page I saw on SBNation that they are having a mock with represenatives from each team’s site. I looked aghain now and I can’t find it. Pretty sure it said E.J. and someone else was going to be our reps. Maybe if he reads this he will shed some light. I think they are doing that tomorrow night.

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by Digger24 on Feb 19, 2010 1:35 PM MST reply actions  

MTD.

The example you’re refering to is a member-driven experiment over on Mocking The Draft. I was the Broncos rep until I became a writer here and I have gotten a replacement to continue. It’s worth checking out, if you have the time.

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by ejruiz on Feb 19, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Thoughts

One reason that "Too many mocks’ is ahead in the poll is that they are often so bizarre that they seems like are likely more fun to write than to read (I will note that some members can’t get enough, regardless of content, and that’s fine too). I think that it’s fair to say that creating a dozen mock drafts before the underclassmen even declare, much less going through the Combine, puts the cart far ahead of the Bronco. Why not simply start with articles on players that you like and think might be good picks for someone? You could even look at which teams run which schemes and include that.

A little depth isn’t a bad thing either. How about talking about the specific area of the Broncos scheme that the player fits well? Character? Leadership and/or Citizenship awards? Personal info that tells you about them, such as Sammie Lee Hill pulling a man from a burning house and not wanting anyone to know because, “I’d want someone to do it for my Dad”?

Many/most of the players that are being brought up are interesting to get to know. I, like most folks, enjoy deepening my understanding of who is out there. However – without a Combine and free agency, most of this is just done for the heck of it. That’s not a problem by itself – members and staff should write whatever they want. But the sheer size of the onslaught is an issue. I do read the articles that are non-draft and prefer them in general, but they are often quickly pushed off by the tsunami of mocks.

It wouldn’t hurt, as McG pointed out, to have more articles on the aspects of football that don’t get covered during the season. While they don’t need to be the ones he listed (but certainly could be), I particularly have enjoyed the work by Steve and Brian in the past week, as examples. Members – hey, you can write these too. Find something that interests you, spend some time on research and write it. You’ll enjoy the process, the other members always appreciate them and you’ll get better over time, so if you don’t have a lot of writing skills at the moment – so what? Do it anyway. You’ll improve a lot, very quickly – one member who had issues writing asked me for help. We worked quite a bit for a while – one of his jobs, now, is a for-profit website that he writes articles for.

Mocks are fine. They have their place and I wouldn’t tell anyone who likes writing them to stop, but it is worth considering whether or not the one you are working on gives something new to the community or if it just covers re-runs. If it’s just a chance to show how ‘out there’ an idea can be – consider restraint. Keep in mind – if you’re writing for the site on any basis, you’re writing for the membership. Make sure that you’re giving something to them that you’re proud of.

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by Doc Bear on Feb 19, 2010 3:09 PM MST reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd your comment Doc

I like this thought because it is true.

But the sheer size of the onslaught is an issue. I do read the articles that are non-draft and prefer them in general, but they are often quickly pushed off by the tsunami of mocks.

I can step away from MHR for a couple of hours and find the non draft posts have been pushed of the side bar by 4 or 5 new mock drafts. The non mock posts don’t get the due attention that they deserve.

by papasteven on Feb 19, 2010 3:32 PM MST reply actions  

Great topic for conversation, ej.

As soon as the season ended for the Broncos, there was a lack of material to post about, outside of free agency and the draft. Not knowing much about the college talent pool available in the draft, I was like a dog looking in a butcher’s window as I read the mocks that were postd. Over time, that excitement has waned, as the mocks became repetitious, and the suggested trades grew to a ridiculous level.

At that point in time, I became fond of the listing and descriptions of players at various positions as listed by “sharpe”. With that concept, there is less speculation, and more information to imagine what the Dove Valley brain trust may choose to do on an individual level.

Many of us would like to see more non mock posts. There are several members that use statistics to form opinions to support such posts. Unfortunately, to get more in depth on such topics as the performance of Ron Fields, there is little available outside of stats with which to form any real opinion. There is nothing available along the lines of coaching film, where a position is isolated, nd the observer might be able to assess the performance and technique of a given player. I, personally, would pay for such a “tool”, as I would find it entertaining and quite interesting. Alas, without such a tool, most of what we can discern from broadcast coverage is simple speculation. Only the coaches have access to such things from which to draw real conclusions, at least as far as I know.

by jayrockstone on Feb 20, 2010 6:17 AM MST reply actions  

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