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Draftivus: Don't Sleep On Me - Quarterbacks

Today I want to look at a position that I do not consider a need as much as I consider it a want. The quarterback position is well taken care of by Kyle Orton and though I am not yet convinced he is the long term answer, I think he he performed well in 2009. I am more than willing to reserve final judgement on his long term future until after next season.

I will not lie, I am leaning towards him not being the answer. I think Orton is a solid quarterback, but I just don't know if he was what it takes to become a Super Bowl winning quarterback.

That said, I also am not high on drafting a big time quarterback either. Rather, I am looking for a sleeper. A Tom Brady or Terrell Davis of 2010. In my narrow view of the world, a sleeper in the draft is strictly defined as a player who is graded at 6th round or later.

I have selected my three most favorite quarterback sleepers. I will start with #3 and work down to my #1 sleeper of the draft.

Matt Nichols, QB, Eastern Washington
6'2", 220lbs

I really like this kid. Not so much because he shares the same last name as one of our renowned staffers, but because he hails from the same high school I graduated from. West Valley High School when I attended back in the late 1990's had one of the worst football programs in the area, but they apparently go better after I left.

Nichols went on to excel at the small program school of Eastern Washington. Though, he didn't begin to crack the draft boards until the Pro Scouts saw him in action at the East-West practices. He outperformed many of the other quarterbacks from "big name" schools, but little came of that as he was not invited to the all-mighty NFL Combine.

Whichever team lands Nichols will likely find a very solid backup, if not future starter.

It does not appear that this prospect has NFL starter talent, but I think he has the ability to be a solid backup. Nichols has proved he has the arm strength, accuracy, and intelligence to be a professional football player. I would like to see him picked up if we somehow miss out on the other two late rounders I covered today.

Star-divide

According to CBS Sports again, Nichols' West Valley High School coach thinks that the Oakland Raiders might pick him up as a CFA.

I take issue with that simply because that guy is likley a Raider fan being a Northern Californian. I speak from experience as just under half the people up there are Raider fans and just under half are 49er fans. Then there are the pariahs like myself who go against the grain.

I tried to find a good short highlight reel, but all I could find is this ten minute EWU team highlight video. Luckily, the QB appears in most of it!

 

John Skelton, QB, Fordham
6'5", 244 lbs

I've seen Skelton's name many times in various mock drafts, but I am still not 100% sold on this kids ability.

One thing is certain, I may have been foolish to grade him out so late in the draft. His size and ball velocity will likely attract some team to nab him in the 4th or 5th rounds(Al Davis).

If he is available in the 6th round, then I really think he would be a steal at that point. He still has a ways to go before he even has a chance to become the next "Tom Brady", but if a team has patience and is willing to develop Skelton, then it could just pay off with a solid starting professional quarterback.

Again, with CBS Sports:

Accuracy: Accurate enough to give his receiver a chance to make a play after the catch whether on a quick screen, out route, slant, fade or throw down the seam. Leads his man on slants and deep throws. Will aim the ball and feather it in instead of letting it loose.

What a breath of fresh air reading this was for a former Cutler apologist like myself. If there was anything I will be looking for in a QB from now on it would be the above quote! If Skelton is able to develop into a starting quarterback it will be because of his accuracy and smarts.

Arm Strength: Throws 45-50-yard passes with little effort, but he rarely takes full advantage of his arm strength. Ball gets from hash to opposite sideline in a hurry when he steps into the throw. Good trajectory on deep passes, and the ball doesn't hang up. Inconsistent spiral, though the ball still has fair pace when it wobbles.

This makes me feel like he needs help on his mechanics. It is my understanding that consistency in the deep throw is almost always about a quarterbacks mechanics and footwork. Hopefully that is something that can be taught. Not every player is open to changing their bad habits(cough, Cutler, cough).

Setup/Release: Prototypical size and stands tall in the pocket. Waits patiently for routes to develop. Mostly in the shotgun when passing but will go under center on run plays and the occasional play-action. Release speed is not an issue whether in the pocket or on the run. Relies on his arm strength too much; will throw off back foot and into traffic. Throws from different arm angles and usually well-balanced. Could sell the ball fake more in play-action.

I like everything in this analysis except for the throwing off the back foot. His ability in the spread formation really intrigues me as that is likely to remain one of McDaniels' staple formations. He doesn't appear to be a knucklehead, so hopefully his habits of throwing into traffic and off his back foot will be minimized by browbeating coaches.

Reading Defenses: Knows the second and third progression, and is willing to throw underneath route if deep receiver is covered up. Will pick apart a defense if given time. Looks to the quick screen before checking out deep throw. Will not look off the safety or creeping corner consistently, resulting in interceptions. Trusts his receivers too much, throwing jump balls when unnecessary.

I like that he follows his progressions, but this entire statement appears to be the equivalent of an analytical double negative. The analysis starts off by saying Skelton checks his progressions and picks apart defenses, but then ends with Skelton forcing the ball and locking into his receivers. Which is he? I'm guessing that if he is under duress too often he tends to make stupid mistakes.

To me, that is a red flag, negating any desire I have to select Skelton earlier than our 6th round spot. For all of the criticism Orton gets, I have only seen him truly rattled during one game last season. And Orton spent a lot of time in less than desirable passing situations.

On the Move: Mobile for his size and able to throw accurately on the run in either direction. Squares his shoulders when throwing on the run. Will evade sacks from FCS defenders, but unclear whether he'll do so against better competition. Doesn't always get his eyes downfield when pressured in the pocket but does when outside. Mobility leads him to leave the pocket too quickly at times. Agile enough to get first downs when scrambling or running the read option, but not quick enough to run for more than a few yards and lacks elusiveness in the open field. Lowers his head for a first down if sideline isn't available and can slide if possible. Good size for the sneak.

I am not too fond of his mobility. Sure he can move out of the pocket and throw on the run, but our new offense is completely geared towards a pocket passer. The more I see from this kid the more I wonder if he is truly a good fit for the McDaniels offense. I am sure he can be coached up and the Elway fan in me always loves to see a quarterback make something out of nothing. For now, I guess I'll overlook any of his concerns in this section.

Intangibles: Two-year captain who leads his offense on and off the field. Quiet with the media but vocal on the field. Has the work ethic and intelligence to become an NFL starter.

I have no doubt Skelton has what it takes to be an NFL starter, but for what kind of team? For the Rams or for the Broncos? I will maintain my belief that he will be gone by the 6th round, but if he isn't, we should pick him up without hesitation.

Mike Kafka, QB, Northwestern
6'3", 216 lbs

This is my favorite sleeper prospect thus far. Kafka was great in the final minutes of the East-West game and proved he had the moxie to be an NFL caliber quarterback.

His size is more prototypical than a guy like Skelton and most of his experience is out of the shotgun, which bodes well for the offense the Broncos currently run. The switchover shouldn't be all that hard.

For a guy like Kafka, I'd be willing to spend upwards of a late 5th rounder on him. I think he's got that much to offer as a backup now and possibly a starter down the road.

Here is what CBS Sports has to say:

Accuracy: Generally puts the ball on his targets within 10-12 yards, and can throw the medium out, but is not deadly accurate. Gives his receiver a chance to make a play after the catch when on the move but not when receivers sit in zones. Good touch on screen passes and fades. With time and space in the pocket, he lays the ball in on sideline patterns or down the seam as far as 45-50 yards.

Obviously this kid is raw, but he has shown flashes of ability that a good quarterbacks coach can mold into a solid starter. Trial by fire would probably speed up his learning process even more, but I'd prefer to see him sit on the bench for a year(two if there is a lockout). Tom Brady did much of the same thing before taking over for an injured Drew Bledsoe.

I'm not saying this kid will ever be as great as Brady, but if we end up nabbing him then I will certainly hope he turns out to be as good as Brady!

Arm Strength: Only adequate arm strength despite his size. Good zip on the many short passes against zones, enough to at times fit the ball in between defenders. Most deep balls either lack trajectory or float. Cross-field throws take too long getting to the opposite sideline. Little strength on his passes throwing off his back foot or when unable to step up into a big pocket.

I think this issue has more to due with his mechanics than with a "lack of arm strength despite his size". A good coach will work on his footwork and mechanics. He'll be driving the ball with force before you know it. Anyone notice how Kyle Orton went from a noodle arm to "he's throwing it too hard". How many of you would attribute the change to good coaching? I'm guessing most would. Kyle Orton's "noodle arm" was just piss poor quarterback coaching in Chicago. How many interceptions did Cutler throw last year again?

Setup/Release: Almost exclusively lines up in the shotgun, limiting his drops to three steps or less. Throws many timing passes underneath. Adequately quick over-the-top release but leans quite a bit to his left on the throw, which lowers the release point. Gets happy feet under pressure. Good ball fake on read option, their form of play-action. Fakes the pass after a hand-off at times, much like Brett Favre.

We can never fully escape the Brett Favre mention can we? I like that he is comfortable in the shotgun as the Broncos tend to run quite a few plays out of that formation. Obviously he will need to get more comfortable from under center, but I'm confident he will adjust. Everything else mentioned (the bad anyway) can be coached. The more I learn the more I hope we draft this guy.

Reading Defenses: Intelligent player who manages a game well. Typically looks and throws to first read, but will look off safety before going to his target if going downfield. Throws too many interceptions by bird-dogging his primary receiver and overestimating his ability to fit the ball into tight spaces. Throws the ball away when needed, but sometimes too soon. Could be called for intentional grounding more often than he is, and must make throws under duress to make it in the NFL. Gets plays and audibles from the sideline after defense is set.

SCCRREEAAACCH...Please do not telegraph your throws - ever. I was developing such a fine man crush on this kid too. At least he looks off the safety, but checking down is a must in the NFL. Unless, that is, you enjoy throwing interceptions. My biggest hope is that he isn't afraid of being hit as playing well while under duress is a must for any NFL quarterback. If you lack coolness under pressure, you will make far too many mistakes.

On the Move: Although not overly quick, he can pull the ball down and make some yards with his feet. Willing to go through the middle and lower his head for a first down. Only adequate awareness in the pocket, steps up a bit late and does not avoid as many sacks as you'd think with his mobility. Accuracy is lacking while running to either side. Good size for quarterback sneaks in short-yardage situations.

Well, it's time to lower the grade for whoever coaches the quarterbacks at Northwestern. Mike Kafka will be a raw project when he enters the league. A team must be patient with him and develop him slowly. The tools are there, but its going to take some good coaching. Luckily for us Bronco fans, we have both patience(Kyle Orton) and good coaching.

Intangibles: Intelligent player capable of understanding and running a pro-style offense. Confident, but considers himself a conduit to getting the ball to playmakers. Plays tough, taking hits on sacks and running plays but bouncing up.

I like this analysis very much. He sounds like a quiet leader whose sacrifices on the field will only inspire his teammates to play harder for him. John Elway had that quality about him. He would take hit after hit, but for only to make that one play. Elway's teammates fought for every inch, every personal battle just to give him a chance to save the day.

Not sure if Kafka will have the same impact on his future teammates, as in retrospect, it was obvious early on that Elway was destined for greatness, while Kafka's fate has yet to be determined.

OVERALL ANALYSIS

Within the confines of the late round projections, these three quarterbacks seemed best suited to the offensive scheme run by the Denver Broncos. All three are raw and would need at least a year on the bench to learn and maybe even longer. Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for four seasons before showing he had what it took to be an NFL starter.

My point is simple, we have Kyle Orton. Love him or hate him, he has managed the offense well. Our offensive woes were not due to him at all. The problems existed solely on the offensive line and in the play calling itself.

I think we have more pressing needs that should be addressed in the first four or five rounds of this years draft, but looking for a diamond in the rough in the later rounds could pay huge dividends. It is a low risk, high reward kind of deal. If none of these quarterbacks works out in the NFL, all we did was lose out on a 6th or 7th round draft pick - no big deal.

It hurts far worse to miss in the first through third rounds...just ask Mike Shanahan.

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Who is your late round QB sleeper?
John Skelton
196 votes
Mike Kafka
82 votes
Matt Nichols
38 votes
Other...name in comments
58 votes

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I'm not interested in a late-round QB sleeper.

We already took one with Brandstater last year. I would only be interested in a early-round potential franchise QB. If we didn’t take Tom B. last year, I would have no problem with some of the QB’s you mentioned. With that said, I appreciate your analysis.

by swg777 on Feb 20, 2010 8:23 AM MST reply actions  

Tom B. may not be the answer....I think McD is pursuing the next real Tom B.

Think of Shanny’s obsession with late round RBs…I think McD might have one with late round QBs. lol

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 8:27 AM MST up reply actions  

FA will tell us something about what McD thinks of TB. If he signs a FA then he also may take another late QB.

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

What tells you that McD wants a QB?

The only QB we need is a replacement for Simms. What indication has McD shown that TB was drafted to be replaced? It’s not Josh’s M.O.

-Harvey J. Neptune

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by HarvJNep2n on Feb 20, 2010 11:57 PM MST up reply actions  

In reality

WE dont know what MCD MO is.

This isnt Belicheks team in New England. This is Josh MCDaniels and even though he may take some cues from Belichek in how to run a team we have no history to suggest one way or the other which way he will go.

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by johnnystarr on Feb 21, 2010 12:35 AM MST up reply actions  

We know he has said

that he doesn’t draft guys just to cut them. That’s as good as knowing his M.O. to me. He saw something in Brandstater he liked enough to draft him. I don’t see why he would draft another guy to replace TB.

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by HarvJNep2n on Feb 21, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

that woould be to say he never makes mistakes in the draft...

Of course we’ll be drafting @ positions we drafted last year.

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 22, 2010 5:09 AM MST up reply actions  

True, but do you think Brandstater was a mistake?

-Harvey J. Neptune

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by HarvJNep2n on Feb 24, 2010 7:33 PM MST up reply actions  

You'd think that Drew Brees'...

…rise to glory would have put to rest the myth of the franchise QB. But that’s just me.

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."-- Oscar Wilde

by PredominantlyOrange on Feb 20, 2010 9:02 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

The data is out there,

Early round QB’s tend to be better QB’s, as measured by statistics and winning. Brees was a first/second round prospect. This whole post was about late round QB’s, I thought.

by swg777 on Feb 20, 2010 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

What I mean...

…is that at one point in his career, Brees’ limited metrics and tools lead him to the UFA market, where his first two choices for teams eventually turned him away and he had to settle for NO. It wasn’t until there was the proper marriage between system, support, and QB until he rose to franchise status.

All I’m saying is that I think— in 95% of the cases at least— the chicken and the egg are being misplaced. When it comes to this draft, you’d be hard pressed to find one QB with all the physical tools to be immediately annointed ‘franchise’ QB talent— whatever that means.

I feel strongly enough about this that I’ll be posting a FanPost on it here pretty soon— and then we can have a nice community wide debate.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Feb 20, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I completely agree

with you regarding this draft and QB’s. This years QB class is very mysterious to me.

by swg777 on Feb 20, 2010 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

PLUS MANY!!!

-Harvey J. Neptune

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by HarvJNep2n on Feb 20, 2010 11:58 PM MST up reply actions  

+100 swg777 comments. Could not have said any better...

Why do we need a sleeper for. Wasted pick when we have so many other needs, especially depth on O line.
I dont want any QB this year. We need a veteran No 2 or No 3 on one year deal. See how Orton plays, groom Brandy and have a veteran there that can help both orton and TB.
I dont like any of the Qb;s high in draft, although if mcCoy fell to late 2nd maybe worth a look.

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by boydy2669 on Feb 21, 2010 5:44 AM MST up reply actions  

No really...McCoy would be the only QB I would look at but just not in the 1st...hows that a contradiction....

All I said was take a look…but if McCoy was there and so was Pouncey, then its a no brainer…….I guess I am hedging a bit, but like all this, its all speculation as NONE of us know the Dove Valley opinion on Orton, TB or any of our players for that matter.
I feel we will be MIGHTILY surprised (and don’t know either that is a good surprise or bad surprise) by this years draft!

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by boydy2669 on Feb 22, 2010 7:14 AM MST up reply actions  

sleeper

Well do not comment much but on this I like Tom Brandstater and he will develope nicely. he got pushed a little hard I think by KidMac but only because of the disappointment of Simms. I think and this is just my opinion is to cut Simms and get another low cost veteran Qb,like Pennington to be our #3 Qb. Use our picks in the draft for another running back and or wide out with a deep threat. What do you think Tim??

by bronco4life on Feb 20, 2010 8:42 AM MST reply actions  

If we dump Simms and still want 3 QBs....?

We could be drafting a third stringer or a second stringer who will challenge Tom B.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

If they pickup a FA QB then that puts TB at #3 again and he will not get #2 reps and develop.

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I want Sam Bradford. Love the accuracy and decision making ability. I think he will be a franchise QB, especially behind an elite pass blocking O-line like the one Denver is one player (LG) away from having.

As we have the best pass blocking OTs and top young possession WR in the NFL, it only makes sense to me to compliment them with a QB like Bradford. Orton is solid for this type of O-line, but he doesn’t possess the accuracy, footwork or athleticism to be an elite QB. IMO, the NFL has becoming a passing league and it would behoove Denver to best utilize the elite pieces they already have in place that won’t truly flourish until we have a great QB. It doesn’t make sense to me for Denver to go the Matt Cassel route with some half talent. Those kind of players can’t bring out the best in what we already have. You saw this in 2009 between Clady and Orton. Orton takes too many clumsy sacks and it’s a waste of Clady’s gifts.

Drafting a Tom Brady in the late rounds is akin to winning a $50,000 jackpot in Vegas. It doesn’t happen often.

For the record, I very much dislike the University of Oklahoma and have rooted against Bradford in every game he ever played. This is not a player I like for any other reason than that I think he’ll be a great NFL QB. My sincere hope is that he cannot throw until the draft and this causes him to slip. I think he’ll be drafted in the Top 5, but I can dream.

I’m also a fan of Colt McCoy. He could be another Drew Brees. I like the idea of Tim Tebow in Denver, but not as our LT QB. Just as a short yardage weapon.

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by McGeorge on Feb 20, 2010 8:46 AM MST reply actions  

I would love a franchise QB too

I just don’t think that’s McD’s style…like it or not.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Tom Brady is a franchise QB. He is a HOF QB. McDaniels was part of setting NFL records with Brady as the QB.

I think the franchise QB is exactly his style. I think the half talents like Orton and Cassel are not his style.

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by McGeorge on Feb 20, 2010 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I know McDaniels didn’t trade Brady, he inherited that working relationship. I doubt he had much say in the selection of Matt Cassel.

I don’t think we know his style.

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by McGeorge on Feb 20, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't know why

…but I have had this little voice in my head saying McXanders might surprise us and grab Colt McCoy in the 2nd, if he’s still there.

- Nick

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by ncm42 on Feb 20, 2010 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I could see this, and I like him a whole lot more than Bradford, Clausen or Tebow.

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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Feb 21, 2010 5:47 AM MST up reply actions  

there is an issue with the late round reach... we'd need to pick up a vet back-up and dump Bstater or the new kid before the season...

I wouldn’t hate it if we went for Bradford… before we wasted the #14, I would have said trade up and grab one of the two…. what a risk though! Unless Bradford drops (and is he really our man if he does?) we build around Orton for another year, draft a fourth (or later) round QB and pick up a vet back-up. Cut Simms. The youngsters would have to fight it out in preseason. If Bstater can’t beat out the rook afterf a year in the system than we don’t want him.

Seems like an obvious way to handle the QB position.

A couple things though.

I sure get tired of the Cutler haters. I feel obligated to defend him every time. IMO he’d be a rock star in McD’s system.

Also Cassel is a half talent? Why?

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 20, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Would you perfer I call Cassel as a no talent because I thought I was being generous with half talent.

I don’t know about Cutler. He looked a lot better in September 2008 than he has since. Maybe the NFL figured him out. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a rock star. The physical tools are there, but not the mental ones. That is okay when talking CB or RB, but not great when talking about a QB.

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by McGeorge on Feb 20, 2010 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Watch out for Cassel, I wish we'd have gotten him.

Sorry, I don’t want this joint cluttered with any more Cutler crap…

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 20, 2010 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t trade Orton for Cassel straight up.

You didn’t watch much KC this season did you? Well I did and I was not impressed at all with Cassel. He doesn’t do any one thing well and I can’t believe he makes as much money as guys like Brady, Big Ben, Brees.

He is a lesser QB than Chad Henne.

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by McGeorge on Feb 20, 2010 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

i hope you're right.

he looked pretty good to me considering what he had to work with.

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 20, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree WB. I think that Cassell is a good Qb. Big, plenty mobile, good arm and tough.

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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Feb 21, 2010 5:49 AM MST up reply actions  

awesome whidbey

I agree with you 100%. I dont think the jury is set to deliberate on Cutler just yet. Lets see what he does this year. Unfortunately we will never know what could’ve/shouldve happen with him in MCD system. The thing with him that people conveniently want to forget is even with his 26 INTS he still managed to win 7 games. 1 less then our Qb that threw 12 did. For all the talk about Orton and his upside in year 2 I still think Cutler has more upside then Orton will ever see. Cutler didnt have half the team backing him that Orton did.

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by johnnystarr on Feb 21, 2010 12:43 AM MST up reply actions  

i know.... I'm sick about it still... I want him to do well only to prove myself right though.... sure can't root for the Bears...

P Manning & Favre threw about as many INTs as Cutler their first four years but the haters still hate. I’m not a big Martz fan but he should bring much to the Bears Offense this year.

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 21, 2010 12:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Cutler has all the tools, no doubt..

I hope Martz can help him, as I honestly believe that Chicago, with their history and scheme, was the WORST fit in the NFL for him!

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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Feb 21, 2010 5:51 AM MST up reply actions  

If Bradford IS a franchise QB he will be gone before #10.

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 5:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I know. That is what I said in my post.

But I also said he was injured so I hope he slips. Read the whole post next time.

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by McGeorge on Feb 21, 2010 8:00 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't completely give up on tom B, just yet...

but I’m all for bringing in competition, if it’s a late rounder. I appreciate your write-up, but stand a little confused. I understand Northwestern is a better known school than Fordham, but the comments from CBS Sports paint Skelton as a better prospect than Kafka.

by jayrockstone on Feb 20, 2010 8:49 AM MST reply actions  

There are several good prospects in this draft.

I think McDaniels will select a quarterback, but it won’t be until the 5th-7th rounds, IMO. Picking a quarterback in the first round is a risky business, just ask ther tRaiders and a couple of other teams. You get a team drafting a Tackle and who ever remembers that a Tackle was a bust. But a Jamarcus Russell is a different story. I pick my QB choice the week before the draft. Thanks Tim for the analogy of prospects

by bfree2bronc on Feb 20, 2010 8:57 AM MST reply actions  

I agree...first round QB selections are not always a risky propositions....

you just need someone who isn’t a moron steering the ship. Luckily we don’t have an Al Davis at the helm. :)

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

we have needs other than QB

That need to be addressed early. McDaniels will only take a QB if Tom B has not yet shown him what he wants back there. Otherwise, he will take care of the other needs like O and D lines that are critical and where you can find impact players more readily than at QB. In late rounds, we still need some more depth at LB Safety and RB in my opinion.

It will come down to what is the plan… what gets done in FA …and who have we managed to retain in FA.

Once that is done you will see a clearer picture of what will come in the draft.

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by AlanC11 on Feb 20, 2010 9:08 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed....

Even if we only pick up a few FA’s it will totally change our needs in the draft.

by PDXBronco on Feb 20, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I might add

I would not be surprised to see Simms back even if hes only third string insurance. McDaniels will be working with him for 6 months berfore training camp if he is.

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by AlanC11 on Feb 20, 2010 9:10 AM MST reply actions  

people don't want to hear this

but it is a good point. Simms was out of football for a long time before joining us last year, so as much as people might abhor the thought, he really does have the possibility of playing better in his future.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 20, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Blasphemy!

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

you should see my pagan rituals!

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 20, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Sungodphemy!

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah!

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 20, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

And, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

But, can we honestly trust him to take over in case Kyle goes down…That’s the question on everyone’s mind I believe, can he deliver the goods when called upon? Like we talked about earlier, him cracking jokes when he should be in deep concentration on how to get the job done…That to me doesn’t sound like a quarterback that has alot of confidence in himself. Actions will have to speak louder than words in his case.

by bfree2bronc on Feb 20, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I have zero confidence in him

and like you, if the powers that be see fit to bring him back, I will come to terms with it, and probably even support him, if he shows something. Anything.

My biggest gripe about him is what the Broncos are paying him for what we got last year. I get that roster math is merciless, and that we can’t have our cake and eat it too in the draft, but wasting money will be the real legacy if Simms doesn’t improve but is the only option for our 2nd or 3rd stringer…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 20, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

My biggest gripe was that he could not hit a 10 yard route when we needed him too against WAS. Any QB should be able to do that but he missed EASY throws all the time!

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by boydy2669 on Feb 21, 2010 5:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree we cut Simms but "missed easy throws all the time?" How many throws did he make?

He wasn’t really given a chance. Only four passes in the only game he actually prepared for as the starter I think.

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 22, 2010 5:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Thats fair....and the game in Washington....but he missed BADLY is my point on throws he should have nailed....

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by boydy2669 on Feb 22, 2010 7:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the truth leaked and we will be taking a QB in the draft at some point,

I’m not positively sure it will be to replace Simms. Word is TB has not impressed that much. I think that there may be a possibility, with Simms under contract and the bonus paid, he may be here another year. Not the popular vote, I’m sure. At any rate, even if we draft a QB, I see us going to camp with 4 and may the best man win.
Now, where to draft one. I think that will entirely depend on who falls to us and where. I do not think one will be targeted and we move up or down to get him. If Bradford or Clausen fall to 10/11, there’a chance we take them. I would not be upset with LeFevour at 45 or 80 depends how his combine is. Otherwise, I would think a low round flyer on someone would be OK to supply competition for the #3 spot. Also, if one is not taken at all, we may look to sign a undrafted one or aquire one from another team. I have a feeling McD still wouldn’t mind having Kevin O’Connell from the Jets.

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by Digger24 on Feb 20, 2010 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

where did you get that TB did not look good last year? The only thing I read was from poster broncobust (I suspect a troll) that stated that TB did not look good running the scout team. So I asked the same question about where and never heard a single word.
So again digger24, where is there evidence of this?

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 6:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Woody Paige
…that stated that TB did not look good running the scout team.

Woody said that in a column a few days ago. Maybe Woody has a source with the Broncos or maybe he’s just shooting his mouth.

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by bradley on Feb 21, 2010 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Skelton

I watched some tape with him and what stands out to me is his footwork, it is so sloppy, much worse than Cutlers. He trusts his arm way too much so he very often doesn’t set his feet and throws through the ball, he wings it a lot more which leads to a lot of errant throws.

I do like his raw physical ability and when he does set his feet he does throw a beautiful and quite accurate ball, but he is a big task to undertake because his footwork and mechanics have be entirely changed. From what I have seen he is good at scanning the field if the coverage is not what he expected, but if he gets the coverage he expects he tends to lock into his target and wait and then force the ball.

by gyldenlove on Feb 20, 2010 10:07 AM MST reply actions  

remember the scouts call he very raw

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 6:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Brandstater

Why are we giving up on Tom Brandstater? In all this post season talk no one mentions him. It is either Orton sucks or lets get another one in the draft. I saw Brandstater in college and in training camp this last year and he looked like a keeper to me. A bit raw but good poise, arm strength and accuracy. Looked far better to me than Chris Simms. Now obviously he wasn’t ready yet but in a anther year or two he could be the man. Let us worry about more pressing concerns like O line, D line and a burner like Dez Harris Okie state. Although I would take a stud linebacker number one. But don’t give up on Brandstater!

by postalmoose1 on Feb 20, 2010 10:18 AM MST reply actions  

Giving up on Simms...not Tom B. man...

We will carry 3 QBs…I’m talking about replacing Simms here.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I say let Bstater earn his #3 job

and pick up a vet 2nd stringer. We haven’t seen enough from him to give him the job outright. Maybe coach has though?

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 20, 2010 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Question for Tim and Whidbey..

What vet QB would you pickup that could be effective in this offense? Avery smart KO took a year to start to understand. Yes a vet gives the NFL experience but TB gives the scheme experience.

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 6:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Alex Smith.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 7:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Good Question...

I guess we’d really have to trust coaches assessment of Bstater’s learning curve vs NFL playing time…
Their must be several Culpepper types that could come in and ‘not lose’ games?

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 21, 2010 12:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Probably a bet at No3 who could help TB and KO with other intangibles, and even mecnhanics...

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by boydy2669 on Feb 21, 2010 5:59 AM MST up reply actions  

That would work as well......just as long as we get a hard head in there that can help our QB's development!

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by boydy2669 on Feb 22, 2010 7:16 AM MST up reply actions  

First Round QB or None

The Bronocs already have two mid- to late-round QBs they’re developing. If those two aren’t cutting it, then why add a third just like them?

Sleepers like Brady are rare. So rare as to not be worth the gamble, especially when other late-round positions (WR, RB, DL) are much more likely to contribute than QBs.

by DCJ on Feb 20, 2010 10:21 AM MST reply actions  

No QB drafted

I still think we use our draft picks for other than a qb..we have alot of needs and a good qb in Tom Brandstater..and there are plenty of free agent qb out there just looking for a back up role along with a paycheck.

by bronco4life on Feb 20, 2010 10:41 AM MST reply actions  

I'm all for late round QBs

However I want one that knows what they are doing and have actually done something credible in college, has a winning desire, is quick on their feet and can put a team on his shoulders and get the job done when needed in the clutch. For these reasons alone I think McCoy, Bradford and Clausen are going to prove to be “over drafted.” If it was up to me to select a QB in the draft (bearing in mind this is still pre-combine) then I would take Riley Skinner from Wake Forest in a later round.

I’m not a Wake Forest fan, alum etc so it is far from a “homer” choice but I have had the pleasure of watching him play an awful lot. Wake Forest is a small D1 school with a smaller than many football program. Their talent pool is not full of blue chip players but they have players with football smarts who appear to do a very good job, Skinner is at the top of this list. In his career he has taken Wake Forest to the Orange Bowl, set the career completion percentage in the ACC, can throw one of the finest touch passes I have seen and is a real vocal leader on and off the field. I was lucky enough to sit right behind the Wake Forest bench against Navy this year and I watched Skinner. He was constantly looking at defensive print-outs, talking to receivers, talking with coaches, making sure “his” unit was ready for when they next stepped on the field.

On the field he has excellent vision and very mature footwork. Through his progressions his feet never stop moving and his eyes never stop looking down field meaning he has a quick release. Also he can take off and grab a few yards if he needs to scramble. The numbers he put up and the games he won impressed me because he raised the game of those around him. Except maybe Wooster (TE) from Wake Forest there may not be a player who Skinner played on offense with during his years at Wake Forest who actually will be heard of let a lone make it in the NFL.

Should anybody on here get ESPN360 and want to watch him to see if I am mad or not then look for the Wake Forest games v Miami, Georgia Tech or Duke in the archives.

by VABrit on Feb 20, 2010 10:53 AM MST reply actions  

That's how I feel about Mike Kafka...dude is a gamer.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

He might be considered a tad small at 6-1 205.

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 7:13 PM MST up reply actions  

He may if you buy the size myth.....

after all a 6-0 209 QB just won the Super Bowl MVP.

by VABrit on Feb 20, 2010 9:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I saw Skinner at the Eaglebank Bowl

December 2008. He threw the ball eleven times to complete each one. His reads are exceptional. Two years with Josh’s tutelage and goodness knows how good he could become. I have been in love with the guy ever since that game and watched very game on ESPN360 that I could.

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by BlobTheMagnificent on Feb 23, 2010 3:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not completely adverse to spending a high pick on a QB...

Just not this year. For one, I think this is a very weak QB class – especially the top half of it. I think McDaniels (and again I’m only guessing) judges QBs in the complete opposite way other coaches do. Maybe he feels as though you can teach better arm strength, agility, etc by refining technique and mechanics but it’s considerably harder to teach a player who is poor at pre and post snap reads to all of a sudden start doing so. These players are available later in the draft, because most teams want QB’s with tremendous physical talent and they hope they can teach them how to read defenses which is why you see so many 1st round QB busts.

Bradford makes a lot of sense, and by that I mean more sense than Claussen, Pike, LeFevour, Tebow, McCoy and most other QB’s projected to go in the first 3 or 4 rounds. That by no means implies that he’s a fit. People read 6’4 and very accurate and assumes that he’s perfect, but every scouting report that I’ve read say that Bradford’s Heisman season was a product of his O-Line and receivers. That Bradford struggles mightily reading where the pressure is coming from (he avoided this 2 years ago with a quick passing game and elite O-Line, this year not so much) and Bradford seldom throws to anybody outside his primary target – who he often locks onto from the snap on. Add this to questions about his durability and I would not be thrilled with spending a top pick on him.

Also, QB isn’t our biggest concern. I’m a huge Orton homer – I know. I also don’t buy Woody’s criticism on Brandstater. I’m not saying he’s the answer – but I also don’t think it’s fair to expect a 6th round QB to impress off the bat. We need a 3rd QB. I see nothing wrong with going after one in the 6th or 7th round. There may even be a promising UFA. Plus, if you wait til next year, there’s the possibility that the QB class will be better and, with the new CBA, you wouldn’t have to pay a high pick the millions you pay one today. 1st round QBs will be a much smaller financial risk.

by Vortex7 on Feb 20, 2010 10:59 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

If Bradford’s success was a product of his O-line and WRs, good think Denver has elite young OTs and some very good young WRs. One that is worth locking on to.

Sounds like a great match.

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by McGeorge on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't think we have any idea what kind of QB McX prefers...

I expect they’d like the prototype as much as anybody. Where folks got the idea that McD’s so much different than the norm i don’t know.

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 20, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

There are just too many options in this draft..

It makes me feel a bit lost when i try to get my head round it..

QB, WR, G, C, RB we could upgrade our depth at each of those positions.. some are more essential in our opinions.. Hopefully free agency should help clarify our direction a little.

As for QB i wouldn’t mind dropping Simms and either picking up that Jets 3rd Stringer who was at NE when McD was or Pennington.. if Brandstater isn’t up to second stringer yet or a late round or cfa QB too push Brandstater to improve over the off season..

Kyle is our QB this year and depending on the outcome of this season a decision will be made about his future.. but right know it’s to early to say outright that we should use a high pick for our future franchise QB.. IMO

by HorseStance on Feb 20, 2010 11:34 AM MST reply actions  

Was not impressed with Nichols from that EW highlight reel...

Negatives: His deep ball had a ton of wobble, and he had mediocre at best velocity on his mid-range passes. I question his arm strength, which seemed worse than Orton’s (which is not awful, but certainly not elite). He seemed to throw into tight coverage fairly often and his big TE/receiver (Overbay?) bailed him out a number of times by using his big bdy the shield the defender.

Positives: Seemed to have nice touch and accuracy on his shorter throws. Seemed to throw well on the move.

I was more impressed with the RB (#22) who looked like a good scat-back with seemingly good speed and open-field moves. If he can block, he could be a Sproles-type player. The big WR/TE who was using his body well coould also be okay, but tough to judge his hands, speed and route-running from those clips.

by cjfarls on Feb 20, 2010 11:39 AM MST reply actions  

Yeah, but you don't understand....

he graduated from MY high school. lol

That along is a very important fact here…let’s not forget. :)

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

alone....sometimes typing 80 wpm is a bad thing.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 7:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Just an idea

but what if there was a way to get Brady Quinn? I know, a lot of people don’t think he’s got a chance at this point to show anything more than he has, but I like what I’ve seen from him, and I thought he was the guy we should have gone after last year before the season even started. I think if given the right team (a good team) and the right QB coach (McD) he could be something special. Of course, he would probably cost too much now, and I don’t think we could give anybody up to get him, although maybe Sheffler, though I’d like to think we can keep him.

by NxtYrNvrArrives on Feb 20, 2010 1:45 PM MST reply actions  

I've always liked the idea of getting Quinn...no one around here seems that big on him.

I just think the Browns ruined him…but he hasn’t played enough to be completely ruined imo.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep...

Get a QB the right team and coaching and most will succeed. This goes for all positions as well as QB. Maybe coach is onto something!

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by boydy2669 on Feb 21, 2010 6:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Quinn

I suspect that if McD wanted Quinn, he could have had him instead of Orton. I give Quinn a certain amount of ‘pass’ considering the shape that Cleveland’s team is in and what he had to work with, but he’s not very accurate, is as likely to throw and INT as a TD and has never had a QB rating over 70 or a completion percentage over 54%. I think pretty much as much of Cleveland does – he might make it eventually, somewhere, but he’s not a good option at this time.

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by Doc Bear on Feb 20, 2010 1:56 PM MST reply actions  

+1. I’m off the Quinn bandwagon. It was an awful ride.

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by McGeorge on Feb 20, 2010 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

+11 ditto
I thought I read that when it came to THE trade, the decision was Orton over Quinn that was the deciding factor.

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 7:17 PM MST up reply actions  

WOW

“I would love a franchise QB too , I just don’t think that’s McD’s style…like it or not”.

This statement just irritated me. EVERY head coach are always looking for that franchise QB. Why wouldnt McD want a franchise QB?

by Cali_BroncosFan on Feb 20, 2010 2:30 PM MST reply actions  

He would...just not a 1st round want...

more like a Tom Brady, 6th round gem.

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't understand this...

The guy has either been an assistant where his team had Tom Brady as his QB (no need to draft a 1st rounder QB), or had 1 single draft where there wasn’t any great prospects remaining at a 1st round grade,.

There is ZERO basis for saying he’s not interested in a 1st round guy, because he’s NEVER had an opportunity. Just because he’s had success with some late round/CFA guys, does not mean he wouldn’t take a high round guy if given the chance and the right player. Though Cassel worked out, there were also a bunch of late round NE backup/developmental QBs tha are out of football now. I’m siding with Cali_BroncosFan here….

Now, this doesn’t mean I think he will draft a 1st rounder here… the 1st round guys this year don’t seem appreciably better than the 3rd round guys this year, and I also think McX think they have a vet they can work with (Orton)…. but to say a 1st round QB is not McD’s “style” just has no evidence behind it at all.

by cjfarls on Feb 22, 2010 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Jarrett Brown

Interesting sleeper out of West Virginia

by ten_fiver on Feb 20, 2010 2:54 PM MST reply actions  

I voted for Zac Robinson out of Oklahoma State

Robinson is a local kid (Colorado) that had some injury problems at OK State, but I think he is somewhat underrated. He should be a good back-up and possible starter long term.

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by Broncoman on Feb 20, 2010 3:00 PM MST reply actions  

West Valley?

Where at? My high schools cross town rivals were the West Valley Mustangs haha

by SoCalBronco1998 on Feb 20, 2010 3:31 PM MST reply actions  

We were the West Valley Eagles of Cottonwood, CA/

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by Tim Lynch on Feb 20, 2010 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Awh

This West Valley is in Hemet (aka middle of nowhere, about an hour from Big Bear lol) And here i thought FINALLY! someone else from my small town! haha

by SoCalBronco1998 on Feb 21, 2010 6:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Zac???

Well yes I agree he would be a good pick,but only after all picks are gone…and we do not get a veteran back up and need a 3rd qb…and I am not so sure we do. Kyle is going to be good and Tom B. is going to push Kyle to be better and he will get better by doing this…we need a wide out for a deep threat,epeciality if B.M. is gone..and a ILB..TO HELP STOP THE RUN…which is what we did not do in the late part of the season when it counted…and then BIG OL MEN…zone blocking is GONE with KidMac…POWER..run and Dink and Dunk…sorry BUBBLE SCREENS ARE HIS GAME…and Kyle fits it perfect.

by bronco4life on Feb 20, 2010 3:57 PM MST reply actions  

Kafka

After watching Kafka play at Northwestern the past couple years, I think he’d be a great addition. He’s very smart, spends lots of time studying and has the arm strength and mobility to play in McDaniels’ system. I think we’d be very happy with him if we grabbed him in the later rounds.

by ChiTownBronco on Feb 20, 2010 4:52 PM MST reply actions  

+1

“PRO POTENTIAL: QB Mike Kafka – One of the biggest risers on NFL draft boards. Kafka ran the spread at Northwestern, but he took snaps under center during the East-West Shrine Game and led the East to a last-second game-winning TD. His intellect and potential and athleticism should serve him well at the NFL Combine”

by DLMyers on Feb 20, 2010 7:21 PM MST up reply actions  

very interesting player

only played one full season… Gun Slinger

Me Like

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 20, 2010 8:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll Bite.

I’m not sold on the idea of the late round QB, but I have a few favorites of my own anyway: Max Hall (BYU), Tim Hiller (Western Michigan) and Rusty Smith (FAU) stand out to me. Honestly, I’d hope that at least one of them goes undrafted and bring him/them into the fold as UDFA.

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by ejruiz on Feb 20, 2010 5:06 PM MST reply actions  

A top QB is not out of the question with our first pick

If you look at the draft, the teams that draft ahead of us have needs beyond QB. While I think it is possible that the Rams would draft a QB, I don’t think it would be a smart move with the first pick, at least not with McCoy and Suh there for the taking. Tampa and Detroit already have their QBs of the future. Will Shanahan go for a QB, or fill one of the many holes on his team first? I could easily see 4 or 5 of the teams ahead of us going for offensive tackles this year. Add to that the two stud defensive tackles and Berry and Haden and the scenario where one or both of Bradford and Clausen falls to us is at least plausible. What happens then? Will McDaniels go for best talent, draft for need, or trade back? If one of the top QBs falls to our position, I would expect the phone to be ringing. Same for one of the top tackles or defensive players.

This should be a very interesting draft.

by ITPro on Feb 20, 2010 8:25 PM MST reply actions  

Very True.

I don’t have that ‘feeling’ about Clausen or Bradford…. but I think a QB @ #10 doesn’t cost as much as where they’re projected to go…. We’d probably be wise to grab either one… Scary thought, it’d be kind of cool to have another wonder-boy to root for.

by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 20, 2010 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I am still

on the Tebow band wagon. I made a comment about Brady Quinn above, and I still think he could work, but I don’t think at this point it’s going to happen. Everyone of us wants to see Brandstater out there this preseason and see what he’s made of again, and I think it will be interesting. I still like Orton, and if he starts one more season, I think we might see him possibly developing into a top 10 QB. I am not saying he will, but that it is likely. But outside of a prediction, one can never know exactly what the future holds, and because of that, a QB, if one falls to us, might be snatched up. I don’t think McD is into 1st rd. QBs myself, but it could happen, and like I said, I still like Tebow, though he is not projected as high as some of the other QBs in the draft.

by NxtYrNvrArrives on Feb 20, 2010 9:16 PM MST reply actions  

I still like Tebow

And I think he’s one of two or three guys we might go after in the draft. I honestly think if we don’t get him, Clausen, or Bradford early on, we’re not drafting a QB. Brandstater is McDaniels late round project, and I don’t think he’ll bring in another rookie unless he feels they’ll challenge Orton for the starting job immediately or as an injury replacement.

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