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Talk Dirty to Me - The Power of Hyper-Aggressive Coaching (and How Stats Can Make Josh McDaniels Even Dirtier)

You know I never
I never seen you look so good
You never call the plays you should
But I like it
And I know you like it too.....

If you're ever in a jam for awesomely-bad 80s music, so bad that it's actually good, you don't have to look much farther than the band Poison.  This little ditty, Talk Dirty To Me, is classic lipstick metal, so shallow that it's profound. So non-existential, it's almost existential.  And it's a lesson for NFL coaches.

Be aggressive.  Don't play it safe.   Wear eye liner.

Well perhaps the third is optional (unless your the new Al Davis hire).  But the first two should be requirements for all NFL coaches.

If you didn't get the memo, you may have figured out that Josh McDaniels coaches with some emotion.  The fist pumps after beating the Patriots in week 5, the we're-just-trying-to-win-a-bleeping-game-here rant in week 12, and the hugging of The Beast in week 4.

There are a lot of people that would classify this sort of emotional behavior as less-than mature for an NFL coach. A coach needs to ooze calm and cool and control at all times.  Others say football is an emotional game and coaches are a natural extension of this emotion.  In fact, they contend, in a era of scripted press conferences, we need more emotion, not less.

I'll leave the hordes on both sides to continue this epic debate.  Because it's really not important.  For every Tony Dungy, there's a Bill Cowher.  So the fact that Josh McDaniels is an emotional guy doesn't bother me in the least. What I do think he can improve on, however, and what Broncos fans deserve to see more of from Josh McDaniels in 2010, is to take this aggressive nature, this raw emotion, this let's-step-on-their-throat-and-groin-at-the-same-time passion, and channel that into a style of play calling that goes for the jugular.

Just what do I mean?  Get down to the basement, lock the cellar door, and join me after the jump for some statistical-dirty talk.

Star-divide

Week 15 - At the Drive In, In the Old Man's Ford

On December 20th, 2009, it was an especially nice day in Denver, Colorado.  It was almost sixty degrees, sunny, and there was just a slight breeze in the air.  A nice day for football; an exquisite day for a massacre.  For on that day, the Denver Broncos were facing the absolute bottom of the food chain in the NFL--the putrid and bacteria-like Oakland Raiders.

The Broncos, once beneficiaries of a 6-0 start, had reeled recently, and had dropped 4 straight games.  However, their playoff swagger had returned.  In the three previous weeks leading up to that Sunday, they had outplayed a good (at the time) New York Giants club, had decimated their division rival, the Kansas City Chiefs, and had just the week before, almost pulled off a come-from-behind win against Peyton Manning and the Colts on the road. In short, they were ready to bring Al Davis to slaughter for the 2nd time in 2009.

The Broncos entered the game with and 8-5 record.  Win on that Sunday and a playoff-berth was a virtual lock. Lose, and teams like the New York Jets would begin thinking they had hope.  It was the perfect Sunday for complete and utter rage.

In typical fashion, the sluggish Raiders went three-and-out on their first drive of the game.  Denver started their drive at their own 35-yard line.  And a few minutes later, after some nice runs by Knowshon Moreno and a clutch 3rd-down catch by Eddie Royal, the Broncos found themselves with a 1st-and-10 at the Oakland 13-yard line.  A run by LaMont Jordan (who?) got them to the Oakland 7-yard line.  But after a two poorly executed plays (an Orton scramble and a Moreno run), Denver found themselves looking at a 4th-and-2 at the Oakland 5-yard line.

And here we shall stop our narrative for a moment ask ourselves,  "What, in the name of Bret Michaels, should the Broncos have done next?"  Kick the field goal?  Go for it?  Call Bill Belichick?  

Our gut presents us with two choices.  The first is to take the traditional approach, take the points, and put your team up 3-0.  Perhaps the field goal gives the team a little boost of confidence and sets the stage for the next drive.  Either way, 3 points is better than nothing, right?

The other choice is also alluring, however, like the sight of a Broncos cheeleader.  Go for it, move your chips to the center of the table, and try and get 7 points.  And if you don't get 7, put the Raiders into a deeper hole (than they were otherwise born into), right up against their own goal line, and let loose the hounds of Dumervil.  No matter what, you've sent a message to Tom "Cooney" Cable that you're no Randy Hanson on this day.  If you are going to beat the Broncos, you are going to have to bring it.  All. Day.   (Howie) Long.

We all know the choice McDaniels made.  He took the conservative approach.  The Broncos went up 3-0.

And all of Broncos Nation knew Denver was in for a dogfight with a 4-9 team.

Later, when the Raiders scored a touchdown in the 2nd quarter to go up 7-6, whatever momentum the Broncos thought they had seized evaporated like orange-and-blue Kool-Aid on a Sunday afternoon.

The eventual score, 20-19, is an afterthought now.  We know that the sun even shines on a dog's butt every once and again.  On that particular Sunday, JaMarcus Russell barked loudly.

But it didn't need to be that way.  McDaniels should have gone for it.  And perhaps--just perhaps--the playoffs would have been a reality.   A look at the numbers will show you why.


Stats - Behind the Bushes, Screamin' For More, More, More!

By now, those of you that have read anything written by me, know I am a huge proponent of the use of expected points value (EPV).  Every down-and-distance on the field has an expected points value, whether it be for the offense or for the defense.  It's the average, over the long term, of the number of points that are scored next.  As you can imagine, if you are backed up against your goal line, the EPV is negative for your offense--due of the fact that it's more likely the next team to score is going to be your opponent.  Conversely, if you are sitting at your opponent's 2-yard line, your EPV is very high.

I became obsessed with EPV after reading the book Mathletics by Professor Wayne Winston, which I recommend to anyone who wants to understand the NFL, MLB, or the NBA at a very serious statistical level.  Not only does the use of EPV help us put a points value on any given play, it can be used to help coaches like Josh McDaniels make better decisions.  In this case, use of EPV--along with a little probability--in my extremely humble and abiding opinion, should have led him to go for it on the 4th-and-2 situation at the beginning of the game.

Let's start with a few assumptions and some context regarding the situation McDaniels was facing.  First, the Broncos had the ball on the Oakland 5-yard line.  It was 4th-and-2.  If the Broncos were to go for it and gain 2 yards, they would have been looking at a 1st-and-goal at the Raider 3-yard line.  The expected value of this down and distance is 6.078 points.  In other words, over the long run, at this down and distance, the offense averages this amount of points.  On the other hand, if the Broncos only gained, let's say, 1 yard, the Raiders would have gotten the ball back and they would have faced a 1st-and10 at their own 4 yard line.  The expected value of this down and distance is -1.425, or 1.425 to us, since our opponent's negative expected values are our positive values.  With me so far?  Good, you're already qualified to explain the salary cap to Al Davis.

On the other hand, let's say we decided to kick a field goal from this same distance, taking the approach Josh McDaniels took.  The expected value of kicking the field goal would average out to be about 2.734.  Remember, when a team kicks a field goal, they really don't realize a full 3 points of expected value because we subtract their opponent's expected points value on the next play, which is the kickoff return.  Since the average kickoff return is returned to the 27-yard line, we generally standardize the expected points value of a field goal at 2.734.

So the expected value of making that field goal would be 2.734.  If, on the other hand, we missed this field goal, the Raiders would again take over, probably at around their own 12-yard line, facing of course a 1st-and-10.  The expected value of this down and distance is -.798, or for the Broncos .798.   Still with me?  Excellent.

Here we mix in some probability.  I won't torture you with the equation (I'll put that in the notes at the end of the column), but just remember we are facing two sets of alternatives:

  • Go for it and face one of the alternative EPV values under that set of circumstances (6.078 or 1.425 points); or
  • Kick the field goal and face one of the alternative EPV values under that set of circumstances (2.734 or .798)

We also know that making a field goal from that down and distance has an approximate probability of 99%.  From here we can, through a relatively simple probability equation, deduce that if Josh McDaniels thought that he had a 27% chance or greater of making that 4th-and-2, he should have gone for it.  Given the that the general success rate for NFL teams on 4th-and-2 is over 40%, one would have to say he made the wrong call.

Let me put it more simply:  If McDaniels  thought he could have made that 4th down on ONLY 3 times out of 10, he should have gone for it.  Statistically, over the long run, it would have been the right call, although I'm guessing he's not keeping a computer in his back pocket (sounds like an idea to me).


Going For It - Pick Up That Guitar and Talk to Me

So why didn't McDaniels go for it?  And why don't more coaches go for it more often when facing 4th-and-short in the face of their opponent's goal, when statistically, it's a much better option to go for 7 points?   In the groundbreaking book The Hidden Game of Football, written in 1988 (the last time the Raiders had a good draft), authors Bob Carrol, Peter Palmer, and John Thorn offer up an explanation that I found both interesting and amusing:

"The idea that you-gotta-come-away with something is on page six of The Coach's Book of Conventional Wisdom, which every coach receives along with his first whistle on a lanyard.  It's in red ink.  Underneath, it's explained that any team that gets close to the goal line and doesn't come away with a point or so will undergo a psychic shock roughly akin to being weaned.  

So he ignores his offense, which has been doing a good job, ignores the fact that even the best field goal in the world is still worth less than half a touchdown, ignores the fact that the following kickoff will give the opponent halfway decent field position, and sends in his kicker.  So for a few minutes, he has a 3-point lead...

....the irony of the whole thing is that the better a kicker a coach has in his arsenal, the quicker he'll call for a field goal in a short yardage situation.  So in effect, a great kicker can actually cost his team points."

(pages: 152, 158)

And you wondered why the Raiders just shelled out a lot of cash on Sebastian Janikowski?  Well, we knew it all along.

But there is still yet another explanation that I find even more compelling.  From a job security standpoint, it's simply safer.  As Al Saunders, former offensive coordinator for the Saint Louis Rams, points out:

"Coaches would rather feel as though they subconsciously play not to lose. They don't want to do something out of the ordinary to lose. It's easier to do what's expected and safe."

And Saunders is right.  Remember earlier in the year when Bill Belichick got crucified for his decision to go for it on 4th-and-short in his own territory against the Colts late in the game?  Lucky for Belichick he is considered a genius, he has unlimited job security, and study after study backed up his decision.  So he could withstand all the silly attacks from journalists like Pete Drisco, who wrote of Belichick's decision, "each and every week we see bad coaching decisions in the NFL, but never, and I mean never, have I seen one as dumb as the decision (Belichick) made Sunday night against the Indianapolis Colts. His brain was more frozen than Ted Williams."

Now, imagine a first-year coach like Josh McDaniels making a decision--although correct--like the one that Belichick made. Woody Paige and Mark Kizsla would ignore the statistics, they would ignore the studies like the one by David Romer, an economist at the University of California, who showed that football teams are far too conservative on fourth down, and they would have a field day.  Instead of focusing on poor play, they would focus on Josh McDaniels.

Perhaps coaches are simply operating like managers do in business, as Shankar Vedantam suggests in this article from the Washington Post in 2007, which references Romer and his study:

"Why do coaches persist in doing something that is less than optimal, when they say their only goal is to win? One theory that Romer has heard is that coaches -- like generals, stock fund directors and managers in general -- actually have different goals than the people they lead and the people they must answer to. Everyone wants to win, but managers are held to different standards than followers when they lose, especially when they lose after trying something that few others are doing."

In short, few coaches have the job security and cojones to focus exclusively on outcomes.  Or as Brian Burke writes at Advanced NFL Statistics, "people tend to fear a loss more than they value an equivalent gain...people naturally tend to exaggerate the consequences of a loss, and this favors the conservative decision."

Things could be slowly changing, however.  During this year's Super Bowl, Sean Payton boldly went for a touchdown on 4th-and-goal against the Colts, and although he didn't get the score, the statistics held true, his team got the ball back in good field position, and the team scored anyway.  The journalists hailed him the next day as a genius for the move.  And there are more coaches at the high school level who are now beginning to use statistics to their advantage.  Consider Kevin Kelley, head coach of Pulaski Academy in Little Rock, Arkansas who was featured in Sport Illustrated in September of 2009 for his own interesting strategy (based on statistical research).  He never punts, kicks field goals, or kicks extra points.

Which brings us back to Josh McDaniels.  We know he's a stats guy.  We know he does statistical research.  I'm sure that he's quite aware what the correct decision was.  Unless, could it be, that he didn't think the Broncos had more than a 27% chance of converting?  If that's the case, the Broncos had a much more decrepit offense than we even imagined.

But I'm not buying it. And neither should you.   Flat out, McDaniels made a mistake.  And I'm betting he knows it.  While it's impossible to say that going for it on 4th down in week 15 against the Raiders would have helped win the game and spurred the Broncos to the playoffs, we can be sure of one thing: McDaniels played it safe and they lost.

Let's hope in 2010 we see a more aggressive Josh McDaniels.  Without eye liner, of course.  The Raiders fans are going to need it anyway.

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Note to Stats-Geeks: I used a probability equation to solve for the percentage chance of success of McDaniels going for it on 4th-and-2 in week 15 against the Raiders.  Each side of the equation is similar in that we are seeking the probability of two mutually exclusive events happening: 1) Going for it; 2) Kicking the Field goal.  Here is the equation:

(6.078)(p)+(1-p)(1.425) = (.99)(2.734)+(1-.99)(.798), where:

p = probability of making a first down

6.078 is the state value of the Broncos facing a 1st-and-Goal at the opponent's 3-yard line if the Broncos make the first down

1.425 is the state value of the Broncos defense facing a 1st-and-10 at the Oakland 4-yard line if the Broncos turn the ball over on downs.

.99 represents the probability of making a field goal from the 5-yard line.

2.734 represents the state value of a Field Goal

.798 represents the state value of the Broncos defense facing a 1st-and-10 at the Oakland 12-yard line if they missed a the field goal

We know the probability of making the field goal already.  We solve for the other probability, that of what Denver would need to get the first down.  This gives us what our minimum success rate would need to be to take this risk as opposed to kicking the field goal.

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Now you're Talkin Dirty TJ

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Feb 24, 2010 10:30 AM MST reply actions  

Wow, look what the cat dragged in....:-)

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

So...regarding Morrison

You dropped 3 hits of blotter, chased 5 groupies, drank a fifth of Jack and wrote this? Amazing skill, our TJ….lol. Great article. I agree. I will add a codicil, though. We have failed on that play over and over. I wanted to see them go for it too, but our line was a huge issue. That had to play into the decision.

Love the article, though. Rec’d!

Don't say rebuild - say reload...

by Doc Bear on Feb 24, 2010 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

What about the "Poison" pill

Nyuk, Nyuk.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Feb 24, 2010 11:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Epic TJ

we go together like fire and ice, baby…

Countdown to Broncoman posting a pic of Brett Micheals guyliner….5…4…3…2…

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 24, 2010 10:54 AM MST reply actions  

Don't. Need. Nuthin'. But. A. Good. Time...

Thanks, my friend.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Always love to read your stuff TJ...Rec'd

I believe that we will see a much more aggressive McDaniels this next season…I would tend to think he would have alot more confidence in his Team and in himself after a big time first year learning experience…Thanks for the great article(s).

-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Feb 24, 2010 11:09 AM MST reply actions  

They take a bit of energy, but it ain't no thang.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Here's to hoping

We have already snagged some big free agent O linemen. We’ll see what else McD thinks he needs in Free agency, and the draft.

When he feels he has the right pieces I’m feelin he will go for it more often. hope hope hope

by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Feb 24, 2010 11:17 AM MST reply actions  

WYO

Good to see the cowboy state rolling through MHR!

I’m with you. Bring in BIG…MASSIVE…STRONG..LINEMEN.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I love this stuff

I do wish that coaches would be more aggresive in certain situations, especailly teams that are playing teams that are truly “better” than them. Momentum is a hugh thing and if the likes of a St. Louis is playing an Indianapolis, and St. Loius already up 7-0, and truly have nothing to lose but everything to gain, with a fourth and one on Indianaplois’s even 40 yard line or so, I say go for it everytime, becasue you need to put the throtle down, especailly in that instance and especailly if you are a 3-13 team playing a 13-3 team.

by broncos314 on Feb 24, 2010 11:25 AM MST reply actions  

A missing point

but this is totally forgivable, since the only person who could fill it in is McD….

We also know that making a field goal from that down and distance has an approximate probability of 99%. From here we can, through a relatively simple probability equation, deduce that if Josh McDaniels thought that he had a 27% chance or greater of making that 4th-and-2, he should have gone for it. Given the that the general success rate for NFL teams on 4th-and-2 is over 40%, one would have to say he made the wrong call.

Let me put it more simply: If McDaniels thought he could have made that 4th down on ONLY 3 times out of 10, he should have gone for it. Statistically, over the long run, it would have been the right call, although I’m guessing he’s not keeping a computer in his back pocket (sounds like an idea to me).

He doesn’t have a computer, but he does have a playsheet, and I don’t doubt for a second that he looks at the numbers when assembling his weekly gameplan.

My thought is that for any given situation (situational football) that the Broncos could find themselves in, he has a list of plays that he has confidence in. For 4th down and goal, I’m sure he has a decent selection to draw from (and it must be understood that there will be a different selection for every game, since the opponent changes what your strengths and weaknesses are).

In the example you reference above, McD would have to figure in BOTH a “confidence factor” for the plays he had available ( a winded RB, a struggling OLineman on the right, an out of sync strongside blocking TE could all affect his immediate confidence in particular plays which normally might rate higher as well), and for the defensive plays he may have to counter with if the opponent gets the ball back on their own goalline.

So there are a few more points that could, in their immediacy, trump an overall sound statistical argument.

At root, these issues could be lumped under “lack of confidence” for whatever reason. The “streaky” nature of the Broncos last year really supports the idea that they were out of control in the confidence arena, and possibly, an inconsistent mindset in the gameplan from the coaching staff (aggressive, not aggressive, blitz, don’t blitz, go for it, take the easy points, etc) trickled down to the players. A case could be made that the palyers may have bought into the amoeba mindset consciously, but that subconsciously their minds were going through a rejection process because they felt their own concept of identity was being violated. If you can be anything, you are actually nothing. If the limits of amoeba philosophy weren’t totally communicated by MCD, the resulting contradiction might have led to the streaky confidence the Broncos showed… Week 15 came right in the middle of one such streak.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 24, 2010 11:36 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

great point about the ameoba

we need to be something, which is why i hope we can get the offense together and put our stamp on it
i definitely agree with you about the consistency of the game planning maybe having an effect on the payers subconsciously, even those who have adopted the philosophy

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by BroncoJoe311 on Feb 24, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Jeremy, great points.

I wonder if the amoeba philosophy is simply psychologically incongruent within an athletic contest like football, in which one the typical and cultural perspective has always been, “we need to impose our will on these guys.”

Perhaps instead of talking about amoebas, the better framing to players is the exploitation of matchups?

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Question on EPV, Dude

Does EPV take into account the amount of time left in a game, or does that skew the intention of EPV?

What I wonder is if an EPV decision could change based on where it occurs in a game. In general this might be most relevant on a curve that approaches zero (or infinity I guess, depending whether the points were for or against you) as you near the end of the game. Possibly their could be spikes if you took into account 4 minute offenses, or before the half, or even before the end of the quarter, if switching ends is considered to have any sort of effect…..

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 24, 2010 11:43 AM MST reply actions  

Jeremy, I know you already know the answer, but it depends...

On whose EPV values you are using, Romers, Football Outsiders, etc, Brian Burke’s etc.

The truth is that most of these state values do not take into account time like this, which has been a valid critique, certainly at the end of a half or the end of a game. The key assumption is as follows, and I’m taking this from Winston’s book:

“To simplify analysis, most analysts assume the team’s goal is to maximize, from the current time on-ward, the expected number of points by which it beats its opponent. We assume the game is of infinite length, meaning a very long time (eg 1,000 minutes long). This eliminates the need to know the time remaining in the game. Of course, near the end of the game if a team is down by two points its goal is not to maximize expected points scored but simply to maximize its chance of kicking a field goal. Therefore, our assumption of an infinite-length game will not be valid near the end of the game or the end of the first half, but for most of the game, ‘an expected points margin maximizer’ will choose decisions that maximize a team’s chance of victory.”

So we wouldn’t want to apply my analysis to the last 30 seconds of a game in which I am protecting a lead, for example. Other than that, it’s golden.

Burke’s solution to this problem was to utilize state values from only 1st and 3rd quarters, so as not to influence the values significantly due to end of the game issues (Two-minute-warning, last minute drives, etc.).

Here is one group that does take into account time when they look at 4th down decisions. I really like their site: http://www.footballcommentary.com/goforittables.htm

Another critique is that some EPVs only look at 1st down state values, FO, Romer, and a study from 1969, known as the Carter-Machol study. But they are still useful, nonetheless.

I luckily received permission from Winston to use his state values, which used a form of monte carlo methodology, which also allowed the state values of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th downs to be gathered. And I am quite happy with what I’ve seen from them. I think they are very solid and when I look at them, they seem intuitively correct, not just statistically. For example, the value of picking up a 1st down with 4 yards to go on 3rd down is going to be worth more EPV than getting 4 yards on 1st and 10.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 1:50 PM MST up reply actions  

oh jeez

I can’t look at that site dude! Criminy, I had stuff I was going to do today, too….

Great answer BTW. The point about not applying to the last 30 seconds w/ a lead cleared up a lot of my application questions.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 24, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

This is seriously good.

Great stats, free flow writing style, pot shots at the Raiders, eye liner-what more could you want.

by abroncosfanatic on Feb 24, 2010 11:56 AM MST reply actions  

Great post

Rec’d for sure.

As I was reading this I was thinking about how its much easier to call a game as an OC then it is as a HC. I was thinking of how to word it when I got to your points in the article regarding playing it to feel safe. No need for me to write anything now that you nailed my point squarely.

Once again, great job

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by johnnystarr on Feb 24, 2010 12:04 PM MST reply actions  

Hey Johnny, it's interesting isn't it? You can actually see the point.

If you’re at the top, especially if you are a new coach, why would you want to do anything to draw attention to yourself…in case it didn’t work. It’s counter-intuitive, but logical if you are making that kind of cash and you want to maximize your tenure.

There was a separate study by Football Outsiders that looked at coaches to gamble the most. Turns out, it was guys like Fisher, Cowher, Schottenheimer, and Shanahan. And what did they all have in common? Tenure, man. Tenure.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

TJ, question for you

If you’ve ever read any of my posts you would know that I definitely take the side of I’ll believe it when I see it. That doesnt always fly here with the love fest with Orton and MCD. Until Orton goes out and leads this team to the playoffs I refuse to believe he is the long term answer. But thats for another post.

 I’ve often said when people are talk about MCD they automatically think because he did a great job with the Patriots he would automatically do a great job with us. Going back to my i’ll believe it when i see attitude I’ve made the counter point that Brian Billick was a great OC before he got the head coaching job at Baltimore and he could never duplicate that success again. After 1 year in the MCD system that stats certainly show that Denver regressed in most major categories from the previous year. (we’ll save the it takes 2 years arguement for another post) The fact is there are hot shot coordinators that get hired every year only to get fired in 3-4 years.

My question to you is this: Breaking down the numbers and the play calling like you did, do you see this presenting a long term problem where the fear of failure and job security could lead MCD to alter his play calling therefore reducing any advantage he may have had with his aggressive playcalling?

You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?

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by johnnystarr on Feb 24, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions  

yards per point

better than last year…barely? the same? slightly worse?

regardless, we were right around the same as an offense…efficiency-wise

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Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Feb 24, 2010 6:54 PM MST up reply actions  

2009 was slightly better than 2008

2009 we had to move 16.75 yards for every point.

2008 we had to move 17.1 yards for every point.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by BShrout on Feb 24, 2010 11:05 PM MST up reply actions  

hah!

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Feb 25, 2010 12:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Best thing about linking to YouTube....

Out of nowhere….Warrant “Cherry Pie” vid pops up.

All the way nice.

Are you NOT entertained!?!? -Maximus

by c2c75 on Feb 24, 2010 12:25 PM MST reply actions  

Been trying to work that one in for the whole season.

Can’t quite find a way. Perhaps during the draft or if we snag a good FA signing….a cool drink of water…or something like that!

Thanks c2c75

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Take your time grasshopper...that would definitely be awesome.

Always enjoy your treatise’

Are you NOT entertained!?!? -Maximus

by c2c75 on Feb 24, 2010 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Incredible. Great Write Up.

Thanks, TJ

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by BShrout on Feb 24, 2010 12:39 PM MST reply actions  

Brian, right back at you.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Weak short yardage offense

All very well and good TJ but the 2009 Broncos had a bellow average short yardage offense.I think this fact cripples the team from the Ravens game onwards.Plus the Broncos did fail on a 4th and goal in the first Raiders-Broncos clash,of course the Broncos did win the game.
I am wondering what the correlation is between failed fourth down attempts or fourth down attempts in general outside the last 5 minutes in the 4th quarter(when a team that is losing and they HAVE to go for it) and winning.It seems like there is a poistive correlation,we saw it in the Super Bowl with the New Orleans Saints.I am suprised that more teams dont go for it on 4th down with less then 5 yards to go in an opponents territory.

by Charlie Kirkpatrick on Feb 24, 2010 12:43 PM MST reply actions  

Chuck, you won't get too much argument from me.

Regarding your question, I think you’ll get some of those answers here. I think you’ll like it:

http://www.footballcommentary.com/goforittables.htm

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Very good post, TJ

Excellent ability to find a nerve in any football subject. Really enjoyed this!

Rec’d.

"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character." -- Albert Einstein

by hairybear on Feb 24, 2010 12:47 PM MST reply actions  

The draft is my weakness, bear, but I'll even give that a shot at some point.

If the combine results were available for the last 15 years, readily, then one could really do some serious statistically work correlating data from the combine with success in the NFL. That is the holy grail.

I am happy you liked it. Without comments like this, I’d get bored after awhile if I knew no one was looking at them.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting

You make a compelling case. Last year, in aggregate Denver converted 7/18 (39%) of their 4th down attempts. So on the face of it they should have gone for it.

However, what if we contrast that with an earlier analysis that showed the EPV was negative for certain types of running plays (specifically, the type that net 2 yards), and the problem that completing passes becomes more difficult as the field shrinks, perhaps the decision wasn’t as clear cut…

by DCJ on Feb 24, 2010 1:13 PM MST reply actions  

DCJ, good point. Believe me, there is a small part of me that thinks McDaniels really didn't believe

that they had even a 15% chance of converting the down. Really.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude, you rock harder than Poison ever did

And mixing Poison and Billy Idol lyrics in one line made me scramble for my shoulder pads.

Great stuff, keep it coming.

by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 24, 2010 1:17 PM MST reply actions  

EPV

EPV is a great statistical tool, however like many forms of statistics it tends to hide the details.

Allow me to take off on a tangent for a moment, I promise I will tie it back to football in the end, if you do a clinical trial, comparing experimental drug (X) with conventional treatment to placebo with conventional treatment you need a large cohort of patients to get a reliable result unless the effect of drug X is borderline miraculous or disasterous. In clinical trials (and a typical one would be between 5000 and 15000 patients) there is a tendency to subgroup, that is to look at the effect in specific patients, such as comparing males and females, people in their 60s to people in their 70s, overweight vs non-overweight, diabetics vs non-diabetics etc. The lovely thing is that you may realize that while your drug is good in general it is not good for diabetics, or people with a history of heart problems, or people who are leos – the problem is of course that the experiment you have done is designed so that an appreciable effect of say 5% increase would be significant in your total cohort, however your subgrouping is much more sketchy since you know for a fact that a similar effect will not be significant, so any significance you may find is at best tainted and at worst entirely artificial.

Let me get back to football and EPV now, EPV can not help you if happen to be really good at home, but really bad away, or if your RB just sprained his ankle, or if you just replaced your RG or if it is raining, or if you are playing in heavy wind, in any of these specialized cases you can not generate enough data to compute a reliable EPV and using the average EPV would be misleading at best in these conditions. EPV is great in so far that you are playing an entirely average game against an entirely average opponent with no extraordinary circumstances – these games are of course entirely abstract and do not exist, in reality a coach has to weigh a million other factors, such as do I have a formation I could use they haven’t seen, how has my run game been doing, is my line banged up, is my runner in good shape, is the ball slippery.

As a rule I think most coaches would opt not to go for a 4th down with more than 1 long yard to go unless they were behind and needed a score, in hingsight it is easy to say well if we had gone for it and gotten it we would have won, but at the time there was no reason to think the probability of converting AND scoring was high enough to justify the risk of losing a FG.

by gyldenlove on Feb 24, 2010 1:25 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Glyden, appreciate at the read. It's hard to respond to it, not because it's a bad post, but

because I simply disagree with the premise that the world is too complex with which to apply statistical models.

So we’ll simply have to disagree with the premise and agree that the world is sometimes complex.

However, if Jay Cutler throws a lot of interceptions over the course of several seasons, at some point, one mint be inclined to, perhaps look at some stats, and say to themselves, “You know what? Diabetic or not. Wind or not. Home games or not. Bad tackle or not. It shows here you are throwing too many interceptions no matter how many variables I try to account for.”

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read, my friend.

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree with you TJ
So we’ll simply have to disagree with the premise and agree that the world is sometimes complex.

Stats are the charting of those behaviors that can be observed. The trick is in discerning the patterns and trends in the charting and asking: “What factors that are not immediately present could have contributed to those trends?”

EPV is an excellent tool for addressing the question of how to interpret the stats.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by BShrout on Feb 24, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

The issue is statistical power.

Being 3rd on the statistical depth chart (does that put me on the practice squad) I’ll chime in too. While Gylden is right about the variables, I think the premise is wrong. Specifically:

if you do a clinical trial, comparing experimental drug (X) with conventional treatment to placebo with conventional treatment you need a large cohort of patients to get a reliable result

is off-base as a comparison to EPV. Clinical trials are designed to measure small effects, and the smaller the effect the more power required to reliably detect it. Increasing the number of test subjects is one way to increase the statistical power, but with diminshing returns. This is why clinical trials are usually done in phases: In each phase the cohort gets larger, the statistical power gets bigger, and the reliability of the conclusions grows. Phase I trials usually have under 100 subjects; Phase II trials have 100 to 200 subjects; and Phase III trials have anywhere from 200 to 5000 subjects (again, all subject to experimental design and the drug being tested: clinical trials of the scale of 5,000 to 15,000 exist, but are relatively rare).

In contrast, non-clinical studies muddle along with far fewer data points, and far less power. But this is because the magnitude of what we’re measuring is far coarser. For example, were looking at 0.4 as our p with making fourth downs, while a clinical trial requires something like 0.001 or better (I think — it’s been a while since I looked at the FDA regs and I my be off an order of magnitude or so).

The other thing to mention is stratification: that is, what is the response under all conditions? You list a bunch of stratifications for both the clinical trials (age, sex, weight) and for football (run game, weather, opponent). For a clinical trial, you have to look at each stratification to judge efficacy with a number the FDA will approve. In football, the coach should be able to incorporate the conditions into his decision without formal math, much in the same way an outfielder can adjust to catch a fly ball without actually doing the intregal calculus required to accurately predict the effect of the wind, humidity, and bat speed on the flight path of the ball.

It is good to be skeptical: as the saying goes if you torture the data enough it will always say what you want it to. However, the EPV is at most mild coercion (and certainly not in the CIA interrogation manual).

by DCJ on Feb 24, 2010 7:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks TJ Great read, good stuff

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Feb 24, 2010 1:35 PM MST reply actions  

Respect, man. Respect. Long live Genesis!

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Add some Spocks Beard on that and we're good to go :o)

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Feb 25, 2010 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Great subject, great write up.

Deciding to go for it on fourth down shouldn’t be decided on 4th down. The decision should be made on 1st and 10 by the HC and would be made considering the situation as all his decisions are. The playcalls for that series alter towards more balance and options. Advantage offense. It’s almost like The OC has 2 first downs to work with relative to the conventional method of looking at a series of downs. The coaches can always opt out at 4th down but they should start the series as if in 4 down territory.

I just wandered over from AP. Now I’m going to wander on home.

by breeder on Feb 24, 2010 2:35 PM MST reply actions  

APers are always welcome

except maybe the HIV to Elway guy…

Your comment reminded me of a Bill Walsh quote, the king of the gameplan. He siad something along the lines of “Games aren’t won on Sunday, they are won on wednesday through Friday.” His point was that the more prepared team wins, and knowing Walsh, he would have known EXACTLY which situations he was going to go for or not, days before those situations could have arrived…

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 24, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

My Two Cents.

Coaches don’t go for it on 4th and short more often because that way they shift the public perception of whose to blame for an eventual loss onto the players. It’s simply not worth going against “The Book” when you get crucified if it fails…

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by ejruiz on Feb 24, 2010 2:51 PM MST reply actions  

Question on the EPV

that McDaniels should have used. Is that the Broncos EPV based on their own experience with their players? Or is it the average EPV of all NFL teams over a long perios of time. Weren’t the Broncos especially sucky at short yardage last year – far worse than the long-term NFL average. If so, given that info, would it make sense to use a more “optimistic” EPV that’s not reflective of their actual suckiness?

As an analogy, the average life expectancy of a 70 year old male is around 13 years. However, the life expectancy of a 70 year old male alcoholic, who’s been smoking for 50 years and has one lung, one kidney and a rotten wife is . . . something less. Should he make decisions about his life based upon the life expectancy of an average 70 year old male? Or should he take into account his own shortcomings when making decisions, and assume that his life expectancy is something less?

by Broncos_FTW on Feb 24, 2010 3:17 PM MST reply actions  

Probability theory will use median life expectancy.

Which means half will live at least 13 years, but your poorly married subject is likely to one of those who live less than that.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Feb 24, 2010 6:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Figures don't lie, but liars can figure

I agree with you FTW. I am not calling TJ a liar, but our ineffectiveness in short yardage should be taken into consideration. Thinking play calling and decision making can be made into a complete and accurate science is just not reasonable. Play calling is part science and part art. Based on our play, the chances of making the 2 yards is probably below the norm. Regardless of what the EPV says, McD probably made the correct call.

by MileHiMagic on Feb 24, 2010 8:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Weaving in the Oakland tRaiders in a synopsis is like putting on old 'dirty' laundry...

You just can’t get the stinch out of it, it reeks of the putrid smell of bad odor…Otherwise great post and this was mentioned in a post last week. All of the people claiming we were an 7-9 or 8-8 team were right in a sense, but what they fail to recognize is, we were only a couple of plays from 11-5. Some may say that that is plain foolishness, then I say am I the only one that can see clearly and their all wearing bi-focals. Maybe, but the facts are the facts and I don’t live by one frame at a time, I live by the whole picture. It was a dirty shame we couldn’t get there.

by bfree2bronc on Feb 24, 2010 3:27 PM MST reply actions  

The attitude and emotion you see from McD

is because of confidence in HIMSELF. Kicking that fieldgoal on the 5 against the Raiders and not going for the “jugular” was because he had no confidence in Orton or the offense…..hence the trick play with our left tackle that left him out on an island,(sam game?) which is a great way to get your starting left tackle put out for the year with a knee injury. Once he gets that same confidence in his offense, I think we’ll see a diiferenec. Hope it’s next year.

by bronco112 on Feb 24, 2010 3:31 PM MST reply actions  

Sean Payton is Brass

even if he always looks like he’s eating Sour Patch kids. An aggressive McDaniels=a deep playoff run, perhaps a Super Bowl title? We’ll see what happens!

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Feb 24, 2010 3:31 PM MST reply actions  

hahaha, great description of Payton.

I’ve never thought of it that way, but it definitely fits. I used to describe it as the look a five year old would show if you asked them to give you a stern look. Sour patch kids is definitely a more accurate description. haha, great stuff TNB

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by kentuckybronco on Feb 24, 2010 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

With a caveat

Payton needed the right horses, and he needed some time to bring it all together. Even he wasn’t “Sean Payton!” 3 seasons ago.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 8:30 PM MST up reply actions  

they made the NFC championship his rookie year...

Marques Colston is like a poor man’s brandon marshall…

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Feb 25, 2010 12:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Fine job!

I liked the post, buyt disagree that McD made an error in judgement. The Raiders game wasn’t lost by kicking a FG early in the game. The Broncos had their chances, but the inability to score a TD after the long pass to Gaffney was obviously huge. We struggled all season with short yardage situations. Playcalling and lack of blocking were the culprits. Early in the game, at home, I take the points. Imo, there was no need to make a statement against an inferior opponent.

by rocko1 on Feb 24, 2010 5:48 PM MST reply actions  

That.............and we had no answer for their ground attack, defensively.

They killed us in rushing yards and won the TOP battle because of it. You don’t give up 241 rushing yards and expect to win very many games.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Feb 24, 2010 7:12 PM MST up reply actions  

The defense

was a trainwreck in the second half of the season. They frustrated the heck out of me. No killer instinct!

by rocko1 on Feb 24, 2010 8:09 PM MST up reply actions  

The fragile psyche of the head coach influences many game decisions.

Isn’t accountability an interesting dynamic for coaches? Trying not to lose by making decisions that seem sound, but are in fact foolish and counterproductive statistically is endemic in all sports where the decision maker is open to criticism. Look at golf where a golfer will be criticized for not choosing a risky shot when the analysis clearly shows playing away from trouble is the smart play. Of course when they’re goaded by expectations to try a risky shot and fail, the same critics lamely say what poor course management the golfer displayed. Let’s not worry about what others think, but be true to our own convictions about doing what we know is right. Mc D needs to read this TJ and take the principles to heart. Otherwise it will be Poison.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Feb 24, 2010 6:01 PM MST reply actions  

My favorite TJ article yet!

….Perhaps because this goes to the heart of coaching and decision making.

A couple of hours ago (or so) I put out a staff e-mail about getting together our coaching and stats folks to do a series on “coaches versus stats”. The idea being that I made decisions that may not have been justified by stats either because 1) years of tradition made me ignorant of a stat, or 2) other variables made me feel the stats were irrelevent to the situation.

Often times, coaches DO make the wrong decisions. However, sometimes a decision that seems wrong to the fans (and even “statisticaly” wrong) may have a justification that the fans (or stats) don’t see. For example, the stamina of either team near the end of a game or a particular weakness on a team to be exploited (such as an injury). However, I’m certain that we as coaches have done things “wrong” for many years because there are certain stats we’d rather ignore (more on this in the series).

So I just now get to my MHR fix and, lo and behold, here’s TJ talking about exactly what I’m thinking!

If TJ is interested in the series (peer pressure, peer pressure, peer pressure), I’m sure folks will love his contribution. BShrout is also being lobbied to be on the statistician team. I think folks will like the results.

In the meantime – HIGHLY rec’d. Wonderful work my friend.

Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.

"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables

by Steve Nichols on Feb 24, 2010 7:24 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

+1

(peer pressure, peer pressure, peer pressure)

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Feb 25, 2010 12:27 AM MST up reply actions  

ABSOLUTELY REC'D!

This one has some of the greatest one-liners you’ve ever typed…it has POISON! (I fought the urge to refer to Rock of Love all this time….oh, crap. I just did it….)

Most of all, you nailed one of the things that drove me the most nuts this year, and something I hope we see changed for next year.

Great work, as always, sir!

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 8:21 PM MST reply actions  

Great job my man...

Personally If I coached, I would go for it on any 4th and less than 5 inside the oppositions territory.
Imagine being another team having to prepare for a team that is ALWAYS going to be agressive, and that makes you play at least 15-20% more snaps on defense. Would give you fits!

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by boydy2669 on Feb 25, 2010 6:05 AM MST reply actions  

Love it!

TJ, this is one of my favorite articles of yours. I’ve been debating this stuff with friends forever, especially going for it on 4th down in short goal-to-go situations.

And I will definitely have to pick up Mathletics. Thanks for that!

And even if one does not look at statistics, I think psychologically defenses brace themselves for stopping an offense on first, second, and third down. The elation after that third down stop is due to their expectation that their job is over and the field goal unit is going to attempt to get 3 points. Now all of a sudden you go for it on 4th down with a quick playcall, that can’t be good for a weak-minded defense. And of course, worst case, you don’t make it and they’re backed up.

Now I may have missed this, but when we look at the probabilities of the Broncos offense succeeding in certain situations, are we taking into account their sub-average 3rd and 4th and short offense this season? Perhaps Josh McDaniels felt not that he should go by conventional wisdom of take the points but rather that he didn’t trust his offense to get two yards. I apologized if I missed that part of it.

Thanks again TJ!

by noleafclover on Feb 25, 2010 10:18 AM MST reply actions  

One thing I love about this strategy is

the effect it could have on the opponents defense. The opponent knows what situations that you consider it 4 down territory, say for example inside the 50 yd line with 4th and 5 to go or less, they will feel pressure to stop you before you get there. Kinda like a mini goal line. Once you get there the pressure really mounts. The D would be much less likely to be willing to give up the middle of the field knowing they haven’t stopped you yet in 3 downs – and now you have 4.

The other aspect is the effect it can have on your offense in your expanded 4 down territory situations. It’s almost like you have 2 – 1st downs per series. Makes getting stuffed one of the first 3 downs not quite as big hurdle to overcome.

Of course I’m just wingin’ it here but it’s fun to think about.

by breeder on Feb 25, 2010 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Great article, situation was a repeat from week 3

I always love reading your stuff.
I believe McDaniels kicked the field goal because this situation was eerily similar to one in the first quarter of week 3 when we played the Raiders the first time. We marched down to the goal line and got stopped. Yes, there was a penalty on us that set us back so the situation isn’t exactly the same, but we still ended up 4th and 1 on the goal line. McDaniels ran Jordan off the right guard/tackle and we turned the ball over downs. I clearly remember it because it was at that point I knew we would have short yardage problems for the rest of the year. You know McDaniels had reviewed that drive a thousand times while preparing to play the Raiders again so I’m sure it was still fresh in his mind. He probably felt that he should not make the same “mistake” twice. Fool me once, kinda thing.
It doesn’t take anything away from your overall message, which I totally agree with. Just a side worth mentioning. Keep up the great posts!

by rollinthunder on Feb 26, 2010 12:07 PM MST reply actions  

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