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Horse Tracks - 2/24/10 - Williams' murder trial begins; Wiegmann and Jordan released

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We talked yesterday morning about the change that was coming to the Broncos offensive line.  I even offered you a possible replacement for Casey Wiegmann(Kevin Mawae) even thought Wiegmann still had a job 24 hours ago.  What a difference a day makes.  Wiegmann and LaMont Jordan were released yesterday in what figures to be the beginning of an overhaul of the running game - at least in terms of blockers and short-yardage running.  While many of you brought up solid points for why Mawae is a bad solution, I think the Broncos will kick the tires on him.

If you are keeping tabs on the Darrent Williams' murder trial you know that the first day of testimony was heart-wrenching.  For the first time, we are hearing , in detail, what happened that night.  It is the first time we are officially hearing that Brandon Marshall was, in fact, in an alteration with Willie Clark after Marshall's cousin sprayed the crowd with champagne at midnight.  Williams is being portrayed as a peacekeeper, trying to get Marshall out of there.  It is tough to read and every bit of information I find out about the case makes it more and more senseless.

Oh yea, don't miss a link involving Knowshon Moreno allegedly knocking a UGA student out cold.

Wiegmann, Jordan released - DB.com
The Broncos on Tuesday released veteran center Casey Wiegmann and running back LaMont Jordan, the team confirmed.

Broncos Finalize Coaching Staff
The Denver Broncos hired Brian Callahan as a coaching assistant, it was announced Tuesday.

2010 Free Agency Preview; Defense - DB.com
We looked at some of the top offensive free agents on the market last week, and answered some questions about the collective bargaining agreement and free agency period in the process. Since that time, two more big-name offensive players have been let go by their respective teams -- running backs LaDainian Tomlinson and Brian Westbrook -- just to give you a quick update.

Student: Knowshon threw KO punch || OnlineAthens.com
A University of Georgia student who was in a fight Saturday night in downtown Athens claims NFL running back Knowshon Moreno punched him out, but authorities aren't sure who threw the punch, Athens-Clarke police said.

Star-divide

Broncos release Wiegmann, Jordan - The Denver Post
If durability and toughness were confused with size and strength, Casey Wiegmann might still have a job.

Broncos cut Wiegmann, Jordan in running game shake up - The Denver Post
Let there be no doubt, the Broncos are changing their upfront blocking scheme to a more physical, powerful style.

Chargers WR Jackson pleads guilty to DUI - The Denver Post
Chargers Pro Bowl wide receiver Vincent Jackson pleaded guilty to a DUI charge and was sentenced to four days in jail and five years of probation. Because it was his second DUI conviction, Jackson also will be subject to the NFL's personal conduct policy and likely will face at least a one-game suspension next season. Jackson pleaded guilty in a 2006 DUI case and was on probation when he was arrested again in January 2009, just days before a playoff loss at Pittsburgh.

Tebow eventually must pass the NFL test | National Football Post
Tebow will forgo putting his new skills on display in Indianapolis this week at the NFL Scouting Combine. And just like QB Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan, he should take some heat for bailing on the biggest job interview he will ever have. But we know better, and we also know that he’s going to get a "free pass" from the league due to his desire to work on his skills — and eventually throw on campus.

I hear you, but I don’t believe you | National Football Post
With so many comments in the news recently making me cry out with an incredulous "Seriously?" I feel compelled to offer a public service message about what these people are really saying while they say something else. As a first in a series of "What they say" and "What they mean," here’s a list from the past week, starting with our favorite philandering golfer:

Paying for past performance | National Football Post
LaDainian Tomlinson’s release by the Chargers highlights one of the great management challenges in all of sports -- answering the question of when to bid farewell to a once-great player. The famed management philosopher Peter Drucker said companies must abandon out-of-date processes, practices and products. Drucker didn’t necessarily include people in his abandonment theory, but the late Giants GM George Young did in his. Young is famously known as the man who popularized the maxim that it’s far better to get rid of a player a year too soon than a year too late.

Wilson: Randy Hanson sues the Raiders | National Football Post
Former Oakland Raiders defensive assistant Randy Hanson filed a civil lawsuit against Raiders coach Tom Cable and the organization today in Alameda County.

Wilson: Bulluck thinks it's over for him in Tennessee | National Football Post
Like a sad country song, Keith Bulluck seems resigned to his belief that his time in Nashville is coming to a close.

Biggs: Bears expected to add Ruskell soon | National Football Post
The Chicago Bears have not made a move – yet – but will likely add Tim Ruskell to their front office soon.

Wilson: Jeff Reed to get transition tag | National Football Post
The Pittsburgh Steelers plan to use the transition tag to retain kicker Jeff Reed, barring a last-minute breakthrough in contract talks prior to Thursday's NFL deadline, according to NFL.com.

Who wants to play quarterback in Carolina? | National Football Post
"It’s the end of February and it’s way too early to answer that," GM Marty Hurney said during a press conference via Steve Reed of CarolinaGrowl.com. "Everyone knows how we feel about Jake. And Matt came in and played very well at the end of the year. I think that we go through the process and see what happens."

Biggs: Saints add FB Keasey | National Football Post
While Drew Brees has Tweeted about being reunited with his former teammate now that LaDainian Tomlinson is on the street following his release from the San Diego Chargers, the New Orleans Saints have made another move in their backfield.

Eagles will release veteran RB Westbrook so he can find new team
"I think we all know that Brian is one of the all-time great Philadelphia Eagles," coach Andy Reid said. "For what we've done here over the years, Brian has been just a huge part of building this program to the level that we're at now. My heart will always be a Brian Westbrook fan as we go forward here."

Sweet home Chicago for Peppers, Kampman? DEs coveted by Bears
The Chicago Bears are gearing up for a major run at Julius Peppers, a league source said Tuesday, and Aaron Kampman also is an option for a team that's intent on landing a pass-rushing defensive end this offseason.

Niners' Franklin latest NT to be tagged; Pickett, Hampton likely next
NFL teams have a message for nose tackles this offseason: Tag, you're it!

NFLPA executive director Smith says 2010 season likely uncapped
NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith sent a memo to players and their agents Tuesday, telling them it's likely that no new collective bargaining agreement will be reached and the upcoming season will be played without a salary cap.

Cromartie sounds ready to leave Chargers amid trade rumors
Antonio Cromartie could be the next high-profile player to leave the San Diego Chargers. At least he's talking like he has one foot out the door.

Denver Broncos drop C Casey Wiegmann after scheme shift - ESPN
In their first personnel move since moving from zone-blocking to a more traditional power blocking offense, the Denver Broncos cut starting center Casey Wiegmann on Tuesday afternoon.

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Oh geez..... KnowMo, don't start another offseason debacle by punching people in the face.

Punching out a drunk minor is not something that you should be doing in the offseason, or your lifetime, for that matter.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Feb 24, 2010 7:44 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

KnoMo's actions may very well be justifiable

But I agree, this is a bad way to start the offseason. Especially in light of the trial and the fact that the events of that night started with what was basically a bar fight.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Definitely.

This DWill trial is certainly difficult to bring back to light. It makes the hurt and depression come back to the forefront for everyone. I’m sure that it’s got to be tough on all the witnesses, having to recall the events from that night and it’s even more difficult on DWill’s mother.

DWill was a special player and an excellent person. After getting more details about that night, it’s even more depressing to find out how much of a diplomat he was and how innocent he was in this situation, before he was killed. We all knew the vague story, but these details about him breaking up a fight two different times and offering to give people a ride to get out of that situation make this event even more disturbing.

Now, to have a guy like Knowshon who is given DWill’s number and then be in a situation where he punches out a drunken guy, it’s just ridiculous. I’ll be more than thrilled if all of this was just a drunken inaccurate recollection, but if KnowMo actually did knock out an underaged drunk, then I think he needs a jersey number change. #27 just might not be for him…..

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Feb 24, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said, my friend.

Here’s hoping things are being blown out of proportion because of KnoMo’s deep pockets. you’re right…it’s disheartening that the good kid who was apparently trying to do the right thing and take care of his teammates was ultimately the one who paid the ultimate price…

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

read the article

the kid didn’t report the incident until two days later after “consulting with friends”

sounds like he just wants a piece of the pie to me…

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Feb 25, 2010 12:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I sure hope so.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Feb 25, 2010 7:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the links John

Wiegmann did an able job filling in for Nalen in ’08, but he certainly fell off in ’09. This is a move we were all expecting. The timing is interesting though: cutting him before having an obvious replacement seems a little odd, unless he had a roster bonus coming due at the beginning of the FA period.

The William’s murder trial story is sad. The circumstances as related do make Klis’s speculation about Marshall’s desire to get out of Denver sound more plausible — having his drunken cousin being the specific catalyst must be a difficult weight to carry. Still, none of us (especially Klis) is a psychologist so it is always going to be speculation.

by DCJ on Feb 24, 2010 8:02 AM MST reply actions  

Re: Wiegmann

It does seem odd, unless they already have a replacement in mind. It doesn’t make sense to cut him now unless that was the case. Maybe Olsen has impressed at C? Or they have a specific FA in mind that they feel very confident of landing. Or perhaps they plan to trade back with that 1st pick and take Pouncey.

I can’t wait to find out who our next starting C will be.

Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

by c_style on Feb 24, 2010 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe hamilton

is Casey’s replacement

Be careful of something that’s just like you want it to be.
Waylon Jennings

by bradley on Feb 24, 2010 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm thinking

There is a trade in the works for a proven Center. Just waiting till March 5th. I don’t see Hamilton being signed either.

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Feb 24, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

wouldn't that be tampering?

And how worried are teams really of that charge?

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 24, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Tampering?

Not if negotiations are with a team and not an individual. I’m thinking about last year and the Casel trade. Correct me if I’m wrong.

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Feb 24, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

good point

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 24, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

So some dumb 18yo kid gets drunk, says or does something he shouldn’t and gets popped. That’s life baby. Don’t say stupid things.

by Gr3yStreet on Feb 24, 2010 8:08 AM MST reply actions  

Yeah, well, he doesn't remember any of it.
But police aren’t sure what happened; the student was drunk at the time of the fight, and his friends filled in the details for him later.

Very interesting………

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Feb 24, 2010 8:11 AM MST up reply actions  

"and his friends filled in the details for him later"

Surely all stone-cold sober while everything went down, I’m sure.

by Ferris_ on Feb 24, 2010 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe they're pointing the finger at the guy with money.

Be careful of something that’s just like you want it to be.
Waylon Jennings

by bradley on Feb 24, 2010 8:57 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I agreed, until reading the line where KnoMo admitted to punching the guy, albeit in self defense.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

...according to information police developed through a third party...

I should have added.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

18 years old...Drunk...In a club...Hmmm, I don't think that is legal in any of the 50 states?

Does Colorado still have that 3.2% law for 18 year olds???

-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Feb 24, 2010 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

No

Colorado got rid of that in the mid 80’s. Too bad, IMO. Drinking 3.2% beer at 18 is kind of like training wheeels – it gave the kids (like me back in the late 60’s) a chance to socialize legally in a bar and not get too smashed. Now that it’s illegal, they just go underground at parties and get smashed on Wild Turkey brought in by the older kids.

Be careful of something that’s just like you want it to be.
Waylon Jennings

by bradley on Feb 24, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah...I remember those HUGE dance clubs I went to from '73-'80

DJ spinning records with a live drummer playing along…Girls everywhere…Ahh, what great memories…LOL!

-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Feb 24, 2010 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Rows of picnic type tables

And hundreds of pitchers of beer. The good old days.

Be careful of something that’s just like you want it to be.
Waylon Jennings

by bradley on Feb 24, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Well Weigman and Jordan being cut

didn’t surprise anyone at this point. I wish them both well in their future gigs.

I’m surprised the Athens police even took the complaint. Heck the kid says he didn’t recall what happened someone else had to tell him. (I heard Joe say Fred said Tony saw Moreno hit me, ya that will hold up in a court……not).

Lot’s of good stuff from NFP Thanks John.

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Feb 24, 2010 8:42 AM MST reply actions  

My thoughts too

Also Moreno voluntarily spoke with the police, which I think means he has nothing to hide and would just like to get this taken care of.

It sounds extremely unlikely that 3 guys would just gang tackle a another as he was leaving. It further seems to stretch reality to say that Moreno was one of them. This person is not innocent, and the fact that he can’t remember anything because he was too drunk, I believe, will cause this story to vanish quickly.

It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

aka Solace

by Jason Witte on Feb 24, 2010 9:05 AM MST up reply actions  

It sucks...

that they’re really going to have some of these guys testify three years later, having consumed as much alcohol as they did that night. When you’re that drunk, your memory is fuzzy the next day, the next week, much less three years down the road. I understand someone needs to testify, but that’s like calling me to testify just because I was at the club that night.

Anyone have a good link for more details on the trial?

"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life, and that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
RIP BARREL MAN

by fooballa303 on Feb 24, 2010 10:46 AM MST reply actions  

Here's one

Go here for frequent updates. The Judge has ruled that no video or audio from the courtroom will be allowed.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-darrent-williams-trial-022310,0,1822449.story

Be careful of something that’s just like you want it to be.
Waylon Jennings

by bradley on Feb 24, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Usually when a major life altering event occurs, like watching a friend die, that tends to stick in your memory

It’s different from trying to recall what you ate for breakfast 3 years ago today.

Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

by c_style on Feb 24, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

For what it's worth

The DP has a page that is updating the trial developments several times a day.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry, this might help

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14461314

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry, it won't let me reply to posts,

but thanks for the links guys, that’s helpful.

And thank you, c_style, I had a hard time distinguishing the difference between watching a friend die and what I ate for breakfast. I appreciate you clearing that up for me. whomp whomp

"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life, and that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
RIP BARREL MAN

by fooballa303 on Feb 24, 2010 12:16 PM MST reply actions  

Ummmm.....

what’s “whomp whomp”?

Sorry, I’m a nerd and my curiosity knows no limits….

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Just a wild guess ncm42...

I think it’s kinda like getting the (what was I/you thinking) slap to the back of the head…i.e. Jethro (NCIS) letting Tony have it???

-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!

by BroncoSense72 on Feb 24, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm......

“whomp whomp”….I don’t know how to put it into words really. The explanation above works….or like the sound in a video game when you die….or the sound when you go bankrupt on Wheel of Fortune, or run out of time on Jeopardy. Somebody says something too over the top, or extra dumb, or doesn’t make sense….then I’d respond with “whomp whomp.”

Hope that helps :) LOL

"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life, and that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
RIP BARREL MAN

by fooballa303 on Feb 24, 2010 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahahahahaha....

….thanks….that would’ve made me wonder all night if I hadn’t asked…

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

hmmmm.

I thought the sound a video game makes when you die is like “whomp…whomp…………whomp………”

no no no….. I got it.

The sound it makes when you die is “FLAWLESS VICTORY!!!!”

It isn’t referring to you. It’s referring to your friend who is jumping up and down, hands in the air, celebrating.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Feb 24, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought it meant you where eating Wimpy Burger.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.

by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 24, 2010 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Concerning Knowshon, unfortunately, it's not simple.

This is automatically a high profile case because we’re talking about a pro football player. From what little I’ve been able to find, it appears the case is still under investigation. Because even good cops are sensitive to accusations of special treatment, you’ve got to believe that this investigation is going to be very exhaustive so it’ll take some time.

And just because the alleged victim has no independant recollection of the incident doesn’t mean there isn’t a case. (Perhaps I should say two cases because there is a possible criminal case and a possible civil case.) Some or all of the other witnesses may be credible and point the finger at Knowshon. If witness accounts are convincing enough, the police might even make an arrest and file preliminary charges against the Defendant in order to set bail.

Because this case is high profile it is also automatically political as well. Let’s face it, careers can be made or destroyed on cases like these. In the next step of the possible criminal case, a District Attorney, or the Georgia equivalent, will review the case and make his or her own decisions based on the facts. The DA might decide not to proceed, in which case he could either not file or ask that the preliminary charges be dismissed. But the DA might proceed with the charges already filed or change the charges and/or add other charges.

A publically minded DA might also consider the value of sending a message to every one who gets involved in cases like these. A conviction of a high profile defendant would send a powerful message. A self serving DA might look at the political gains he can make. Either way, it sure wouldn’t hurt to be seen by the electorate on the TV every night “protecting the common man fron the wanton excesses of pampered professional athletes.”

And that’s just the criminal case.

There is also a lot of potential for a civil case because of the deep pockets of the possible defendant. I wouldn’t be surprised if personal injury lawyers are already lining up to take this alleged victim on as a client. Remember, you don’t always have to be in the wrong to be sued and you don’t always have to be in the right to win a hefty sum of money.

Couple that with the the fact that the burden of proof is much lower in a civil case. The plaintiff need only prove his or her case by a preponderance of the evidence. To explain that concept imagine that old fashioned balance scale that Justice holds in her hand. Now imagine every piece of evidence for the plaintiff, the alleged victim, being placed on one side and every piece of evidence for the defendant being placed on the other. Whichever way the scale tips, that side wins.

The risk of a loss in this kind of case is much higher.

And we also have to remember that the Commissioner is probably going to be keeping an eye on this case as well.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Feb 24, 2010 1:47 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

very good points about the political nature of a case like this

Duke lacrosse, anyone?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

great post Jack

A reminder for those of us who are fans of Moreno the guy, not just the football player, that our judgements of others need to always be reevaluated, reinforced or retracted. It is easy to to forget that it was what we saw and heard that convinced us t root for a guy when what we might see and hear might make us need to change our evaluation.

It is also a reminder that there is no substitute for our OWN valuations, our own observations and perceptions. As you say, this case could go down a lot of ways, and many of them don’t involve a strong correlation to justice, despite its setting.

It ain’t easy trying to root for the good guys!

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 24, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

This is what Chris Carter said at the "Rookie Synposium" last summer:
The 8-time Pro Bowler lectured players about the dangers of making poor life decisions. "I was here when Ryan Leaf was here. But also I was here when Michael Vick was here. And I sat up here and talked with Plaxico Burress. And Pacman was sitting right there, too. I seen all these kids come through the National Football League and every one of them—I tried to tell them the truth—and every one of them looked at me and said, ‘You know, Cris. It ain’t gonna be me. It ain’t gonna happen to me.’" Carter even laid the smackdown on a dozing player, reportedly telling the unnamed rookie, "if you don’t want to listen to people who know more than you and who can help you navigate through what lies ahead, odds are you won’t be in the league for long." It’ll be interesting to see if the player is exposed later on. We’re betting he will be.

I am not sure if that player was ever exposed, but it does send a sharp message that not every one of them will become decent football players. I wonder if it was Moreno?

by bfree2bronc on Feb 24, 2010 1:56 PM MST reply actions  

Its never a good idea

For a professional to go back to College to party. It seems like every year this happens and a assault charge or a rape charge comes up. If you go back don’t party!

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Feb 24, 2010 4:14 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks, John.

I actually wouldn’t want Mawae. We need a young core that will grow together.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.

by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 24, 2010 8:09 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Casey was great for us for 2 years, but Mawae would likely decline in 1 to 2 years as well, leaving us to ask “who’s our center” yet again.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Feb 24, 2010 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

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Asst. Head Coach

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Broncohoodie_in_africa_small Troy Hufford

Position Coach

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Quality Control

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