Denver Broncos 1 of 3 teams looking to trade for Donovan McNabb
by Broncosfansd on Feb 8, 2010 11:27 AM MST
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Espn Insider reports that Denver Broncos are 1 of 3 teams (Bills , Browns are other 2). I for one would love this idea because I think that he is a upgrade at QB. Here are my 3 reasons why this might happen.
1. Kyle Orton isn't under contract. Denver could use the millions they would give to him to sign McNabb. So timing is great.
2. McDaniels loves to throw the ball - ie 2008 New England Patriots - Records
3. Looking at the success of Brett Farve (40 years old) and Kurt Warner (38) Bowlen / McDaniels will feel like they have a 5 year window to WIN THE SUPERBOWL.
I have Mocked this before and truely believe that Denver would be a better team with McNabb on the team joining Brian Dawkins / Correll Buckhalter. Denver would be combo - Philly / New England as far as roots.
I believe that ultimately it would cost a 2nd Round Pick plus conditional 2011 pick but worth it.
My Mock Draft after trading our 2nd for McNabb -
Free Agents - Denver will keep Brandon Marshall , Elvis Dumervil , Tony Scheffler
2 Key Free Agents signed in the Offseason.
Eugene Amano - Center / Guard - Tennesee
Dwan Edwards - DE - Baltimore
2010 NFL DRAFT -
1st Round Pick(10th/11th)---------------Traded to 22nd New England for 1st , 2nd , 4th
1st Round Pick(22nd)----------------------Mike Iupati - 6'5" 325lbs - Guard from Idaho
2nd Round Pick ---------------------------------------------------------------Kyle Wilson - CB - Boise St
3rd Round Pick -----------------------------------------------------------Cam Thomas - NT - North Carolina
4th Round Pick-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------LaGarrette Blount - RB - Oregon - 6'1" 245lbs
4th Round PIck(via New England)----------------------------------------------------------Micah Johnson - ILB - Kentucky
6th Round Pick-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dexter Davis - OLB - Arizonia St
7th Round Pick--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Verran Tucker - WR - Cal.
I think by trading for McNabb and signing the 2 key Free Agents Denver would be a Much better team.
What does anyone think of McNabb - It might happen!!!!!
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What would we have to give up is the question
I seriously doubt Philly would hand McNabb over for just a second and a conditional draft pick. If we have some strange view that BM is worth a 1st and 3rd, than McNabb is likely worth at least what we got for Cutler (2 firsts and some other picks). While I would love McNabb in Denver, I think he is one of the most underrated QB’s in the league, and a guy who truly reminds me of Elway in terms of style and leadership, I think the price may be pretty steep, and I am not convinced McNabb would fit McDaniels offense, he seems really good in a west coast system, not sure how a traditional drop back system would work for him.
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Not sure we could get him for a 2nd either
But a second in this years draft is equivalent to a late first in most other drafts.
Maybe a 2nd and a player
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McNabb is likely worth at least what we got for Cutler (2 firsts and some other picks)
?
McNabb is getting up there in age though. Cutler has a lot of tread left on the tires. If Cassel/Vrabel go for a single 2nd, a 2nd+conditional looks reasonable. It doesn’t make sense if the Eagles think that they could make a SB run next year. While I think Kolb is good, McNabb definately has a year or three left
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by BroncoInExile on Feb 8, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
McNabb is also a proven winner and yes he has tread left on the tires
So I don’t see how you wouldn’t have to give up at least two first rounders, the Cassel trade basically Cassel would of been a backup in New England (a very expensive one) and it was more a best value for the Pats.
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"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
but Cassel was/is a starting quality quarterback.
Schaub went from ATL to HOU for swapping 1st rounders + two future 2nd round picks when Schaub has plenty of gas left in the tank. McNabb is a proven winner, which has taken time… What does he have left at this level of competition to sacrifice two first rounders for him? Two second round maybe… as he’s a great QB for a few more years. Then again, I’d say anything is overpaying for a short term solution.
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by BroncoInExile on Feb 8, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
um.... McNabb has won lots of games except the ones that really count.
I have some friends who are big Philly fans and even they are ready to move on from McNabb. They love the guy during the season, but think he is a total flop when it comes to “Big Games”.
I know lots of people here will say… “Well, he’s won more big games than Orton”… but if you look at the W-L records… Orton is competitve percentage wise, and with Orton, you have a guy on your team… who now has 1 year under his belt in this complex offense… and is young, compared to McNabb. Give Orton 1 more year in the system and then see if it’s time to pull the plug or not.
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by HillisRanUover on Feb 8, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
I used to live in Philly and have several friends there....
they have turned a bit on McNabb but I have reminded them of how hard it is to actually replace a QB of that talent. McNabb is no Elway, but we have been trying to replace our QB position since Elway retired. Franchise QBs just don’t come around that often. I’m not real sure why people think he is a flop in big games…but undoubtedly there are Philly fans that feel that way. I really don’t want us to get McNabb because I really want a QB that we can love and watch play for more years than I believe McNabb has left. BTW, I’m not a big fan of saying he hasn’t won the big game that really counts, I think we at MHR know it is about more than one player winning those games, otherwise we would have given up on Elway after the first 2 SB loses; and McNabb has won plenty of big games, he has been in multiple NFC championship games and the SB; you have to win big games to get that far. I guess when people say he hasn’t won a big game, they are really just saying he didn’t win that last game (whatever that last game is that year)….but I guess Marino and Kelly and many others haven’t won the “big” games either.
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no to mcnabb
why get an old vet? Plus many issues with running an offense, getting flustered under pressure, and he comes from Syracuse ;-)
We don't need him.
McNabb is not worth it, and i don’t think McD will take a QB high up in this years draft either. He drafted Brandstater last year whom he traded up to get, and we as fans really have no idea what he’s got yet, except i do remember TB throwing some pretty nice passes in the last two preseason games for us last year. He already has one year in McD’s system and he is a big strong armed quarterback. I believe McD will cut Simms to make room for another QB he will pick in the mid to late rounds of the draft. I say we keep Orton one more year to help bring these young guys along then we let Brandstater sink or swim in a couple of years.
You also have us trading with NE
I don’t see NE having any urge to move up in the draft, who are they targeting, they have always been pretty content to either stay where they are at in the 1st round or move back, they then usally like to move up and down in the later rounds.
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Jerod Mayo
believe they traded up for him… Worked out then dont see y they wouldnt do it again. I just dont see them doing it with us tho because they are without a doubt looking for either a pass rusher or a CB, and there will be none worth drafting at the 10 spot
That was the Niners' pick from a prior-year trade
Nothing about the Patriot way suggests they’d trade up in the first round. I was in Boston in early 2008, and they were trying to unload the pick they used for Mayo.
Thanks, beat me to the punch
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
They actually traded back for him
They had the #8 pick and traded back to #10 so that New Orleans could get Ellis. Then they got Mayo.
I will be shocked if Donovan McNabb goes anywhere
He has at least 5 good years left, and the Eagles would be highly foolish to trade him. ESPN doesn’t have any real insight into this at all.
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Its about getting value
Kolb wasnt drafted to sit on the bench. If I’m correct 2010 will be his last year under contract (depending on the CBA), Maybe Philly isnt in a hurry to trade McNabb away but if they want to get maximum value for his services McNabb will be traded this offseason.
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Well you could make the same arguement about Elway and Tommy Maddox
Who did we end up keeping? I agree, I have a hard time seeing Philly letting McNabb go unless they get a boat load of talent back. Kolb was a 2nd rounder, so Philly isn’t paying that much for him to be a backup.
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
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"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Yeah, I don't think McNabb is going anywhere...
Kolb has shown more than Maddox every did, though. And McNabb is not Elway. If I’m in Philly and have to choose I go Kolb.
NOT!
Please, no McNabb. I like him and think he’s a great QB, but…. just not in Denver. For one thing,everyone (Tom Brady) says it takes 2-3 years to learn McD’s system, and McNabb is old already. Plus he’d cost too much and gets hurt a lot. Let’s stick with Orton, who will be much better next year, especially if we get him some line help.
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I'm with you brad!
I don’t have the faintest idea why people want to throw Kyle under the bus after ONE 1 season! It make no sense whatsoever. Amateur thinking at best, ‘soup coolers’ isn’t the answer and if the team is looking for a QB of the future then draft one that will take them there and let Kyle play until they are ready to step in.
by bfree2bronc on Feb 8, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
thats cause Brady's
too busy hanging out with his Supermodel wife. Those bubble screens should only take a week to learn
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by johnnystarr on Feb 8, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen to that
Let’s not start over with another QB in his first year of learning the system.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 8, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Coach said he was excited to open up more of the playbook
with Orton,next year.A new QB wouldn’t allow that to happen unless it was a former Patriot QB that played for coach.
No way is McD starting over.Even if we drafted a QB at 10,Orton will be the man next year,common sense dictates.
I really dont like how we are basing our want for Orton on how much better he'll be next year
I’m not saying I dont see him improving, but the thing that hurts this argument is that he actually regressed as the season went on. I would say his regression began after the great Pats game he had, and he never came close to matching it again… And I dont believe it takes 2-3 years to learn the O… Its there job to learn it, as they spend the whole offseason learning it, and McNabb is not stupid so i can see him learning it pretty quickly
I'd say his 'regression'
Had quite a bit to do with his injury.
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"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Orton didnt regress his overall play was pretty steady the defense and running game regressed .
I would say the Chiefs game was a test for Orton and after watching it several times I would say he passed easily even with the picks .
As for Mcnabb learning the offense well his strength has always been his scrambling ability and a pretty deep ball. He has gotten older and slower and is not the QB that he once was.
It doesnt take two years to learn but two years to perfect as a lot of what we do happens at the line of scrimmage with both receivers and QB.
Yeah, but we need a backup. Simms will be gone.
I say why not? We may as well get McNabb and let him compete for a starting job. If he doesn’t get it in one offseason, he can be the backup until it clicks. I don’t see anything wrong with McNabb.
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"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
Interesting thought
Though from what little I’ve read about McNabb I can’t see him going somewhere where he’d most likely be a backup.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Yeah, I think you're right.
I just think that QB competition is a very good thing. Even looking at the Simms/Orton competition, Simms was an early leader. I think that if we did bring McNabb in, it wouldn’t be because he’d immediately have the starting role, he’d have to fight for it. Whether or not he wants to come into a situation like that, I have no idea, but I think it would really help both guys.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
I'd rather see a cheaper veteran alternative like Carr or Pennington.
If you’re gonna bring in a battle hardened backup who can “fill in” when needed.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Feb 8, 2010 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
That's understandable. I could do that, too.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
kolb
would be my first choice if he was available. I don’t think philly will trade Mcnabb anyway, we hear this talk every offseason.
It makes more sense this offseason though
Kolb has looked very good when he has played and has one year left on his contract. Doubt he would want to stay too much longer as only a backup. McNabb is 32, one year left on contract with his likely successor already in PHI. Makes sense to trade him now than let him leave for free next year. However, you may be right and nothing eventuates from this.
I want a new QB as well
And McNabb wouldnt be the worst, nor the best… McNabb was born for the West Coast O and i dont see him leaving it. Wouldnt be opposed to bringing him in tho… the last 2 former Eagles we brought in worked pretty well
This question is for those who are advocating replacing Orton
How does losing draft picks and putting another quarterback in the first year of learning McDaniels’ system provide us with any form of improvement over last year?
It seems to me that not only would we see another QB struggling to learn the system, and we have fewer draft picks to work with in improving other areas of need.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 8, 2010 12:06 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Question to you Bshrout
If MCD did make this trade would you be on board with it?
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Well, as one of the ones advocating a new QB
I am not totally with this school of thought (McNabb). I would like to see us draft Bradford, a cerebral accurate passer who no joke seems born for this system. I would like to see him sit his first year and not only learn but put on weight.
Bowlen said he would like to draft a QB early and have Orton start for a year or 2 longer. I think that would be the perfect scenario
My tendency is to cheer on which ever players the coach puts on the field.
I’m simply not convinced that McNabb automatically provides us with a better option at QB, and I am convinced that what we would have to pay for him would limit how quickly we would be able to improve in other areas of need.
Also, you avoided my question: How does McNabb, as a first year learner in McDaniels’ system provide us with an automatic upgrade over Orton?
In his 11 year career, McNabb has only twice thrown for more yards than Orton did last year. Those two years came in his 6th & 10th years in Philadelphia. He has only thrown more touchdowns four times. Those came in his 3rd, 6th, 9th & 10th years in Philadelphia.
I’d just as soon see what Orton can do in a 2nd year in the system, than roll the dice and hope that someone else can come in & do better in their first year.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 8, 2010 12:24 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
On sheer talent alone McNabb is a much better QB then Orton
His ability to improvise and scramble are clear upgrades over Orton. (remember the 27 yard run). If the line concerns arent corrected I would much rather have a QB who can move then a pure pocket passer
Here’s how I view it. I’m clearly not a huge believer in Orton. That being said I have no problem with him coming back next year if they’re no upgrades available. Like you, I also dont know if he is worth mortgaging the future to bring him in. If he can be had for a reasonable price I would have to say do it. If its going to cost too much I would rather stick with Orton for another year while we develop someone younger.
As far as the system goes and the difficulty learning it I just dont buy it. If Brandstater can look as good as he did in the preseason in his rookie year I think a vet like McNabb can pick it up. PEople on this site are leaning on the notion that year 2 will automatically make Orton that much better. Year 2 could also show much more of Ortons flaws.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
He cant do that anymore . He tried that against us and pulled a hamstring . Hes listed at 240lbs !!s
Also that was not greatness on Mcnabbs part but incompetence on or defenses part. So you want to insert someone who improvises everything into an offense that is made for a pocket passer . Also hes not that accurate on anything other than a bomb and in the end in this offense the accuracy is what is important not the scrambling.
Ortos has improved every year what flaws could miraculously appear with him having another year in the offense ?
ok
This isnt going to go anywhere because you have all the answers already figured out.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
The only reason I asked was..
The pro MCD and pro Orton crowd believes everything will be roses next year. They’ll argue and throw every stat at you to support their notion. If this is true (and we dont know if it is) this is going to put a serious kink in their thinking.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
I'm not suggesting everything will be automatically be sunshine & roses next year
even though I am pro-McDaniels and pro-Orton.
My perspective in every discussion on this topic has been one of it’s way too soon to assume that Orton will tank, or that he’s at his ceiling.
His career stats show that he has improved every single season that he was the full-time starter. That’s an observed pattern, not pie-in-sky kool-aid wishing.
He came into a new system with a new coach & roster and had a career year. There is absolutely nothing in his career to support the notion that this trend cannot continue. Will it? Is it automatic that he’ll improve again next year? Of course not. Neither is there anything to suggest he won’t.
Just as there’s no guarantee that McNabb, or any other quarterback that’s been advanced as a replacement, will automatically do better or worse.
I simply fail to see the value in replacing one quarterback who’s spent a year learning the playbook with one who has no knowledge of it.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 8, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
I can live with that..
If this move were to happen it would tell us that MCD has no faith in Orton now or long term and would rather cut bait and move on. That would be the value
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
very true JS
For now, I’m taking both McDaniels & Bowlen’s statements that they’re comfortable with Orton at face value.
Yet, as we’ve seen in the past, such things can change in an instant.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
I could see if McNabb came in would be a diss to Orton
As McDaniels has shown he likes to name his QB and that’s his QB. That’s part of why I don’t really see this happening though. Not that it’s a rumor as much as everytime there’s a QB on the market, the media always says Denver is in the mix… Really? Everytime? They’re still bringing up Brady Quinn in the news… sheesh.
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by BroncoInExile on Feb 8, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
I dont think Orton would be here if he came in
Infact. I could see him being a part of the trade to bring him here.
I think at some point if Denver’s name keeps coming up in these trade rumors there has to be some truth to it. There’s no crime and making a call to see whats available out there and it doesnt mean they have to act on it. In this particular case the two other teams mentioned were the Bills and Browns. Two teams that should be in the market for a new QB. Its not like they just listed all the teams that could be in the market for a new QB, (wash, buff, stl., CAR, SEA, etc.) They got specific so it tells me that there probably was a call made on Denvers behalf.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
or it could be the Eagles called the Broncos
as was the case with Cassell. You’re right that they’re not bringing it up outta thin air as they didn’t mention SEA, WAS, STL.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Feb 9, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
agreed
Reid was quoted saying McNabb’s his starter in 10, and I dont see why he wouldnt… McNabb and him are tied to the hip career wise. They have both immensly helped one anothers careers, and I think Reid knows this and wouldnt just dump him off
If (and that's a big, fat IF) this is true...
It does tell me quite a bit about Denver’s faith in Orton going into the future. It paints Orton as the starter until he can be reasonably ungraded.
And again, that’s only IF this is actually true.
I’m in the ‘give Orton 1 more year camp’, but if there was a compelling player available for a reasonable offer, Denver MUST consider it.
Value wise, if this situation is real, I don’t think McNabb’s worth a #10/11 overall, straight-up. Maybe Denver trades its 1st AND 2nd rounders for McNabb & Philly’s #1 or #2, but generally, I have NO CLUE what his value is. I guess it depends on the trading team.
I agree
I have no clue what his value is either, but with his salary being so high it generally lowers the asking price.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Yep. No way we give up a 10/11.....
McClain/Claussen/Bradford/Williams are all worth more to us than McNabb imo.
Bshrout – how many time has Donovan McNabb made it to the Playoffs – the answer – alot. He is a much better Pure Passer than Kyle Orton and he would open up Denver’s Playbook for sure. Orton is a limited QB like Trent Dilfer – so unless you have a GREAT RUN GAME and a GREAT DEFENSE the chances of Winning a SuperBowl with Orton isn’t great.
I think it is going ot happen.
easy trigger!
Denver still needs an O-Line before either the running OR passing games can be called great, let alone good.
McNabb’s more talented, that’s for sure. But the position Denver’s in personnel/talent wise leads me to believe that Denver wants to keep as many draft picks as it can in the first 3 rounds to maximize the number of guys that could potentailly have impact in 2010 versus trading that for one player with questionable accuracy in an offense predicated on it.
Of course, I have learned to expect the unexpected from McX and will not mentally commit to any one scenario!
I agree
With this draft class being so QB shallow I can see the price being driven up much too high for Denver to even make a run at McNAbb. I dont see this trade happening at the end of the day.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
I guess you guys dont remember how good Phillys defense was the past decade ?
Mcnabb is not a better pure passer than Orton . Mcnabb has been in a system friendly to him and is a career 59% passer . Orton is in a passer friendly offense one yea and hits 62% and thats playing a quarter of the games with a bad index finder on his throwing hand .
Mcnabb is one of the mots mobile qbs ever thats what his strength was and he has a pretty deep ball. Everything else has always been questionable but it was those two attributes that were so good that it it outweighed the negatives . Now hes up in age and his big attribute is basically leaving him . He can make the occasional run but thats not enough to overcome the accuracy issues underneath .
I can see you worked very hard on this. Great job.
McNabb > Orton. I’d love to see it, but McNabb is old bones and we’d likely have to draft a QB pretty high if we got McNabb. Might want to rethink your draft picks a little with that in mind.
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I wouldn't want to see him "plummered" like that.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Feb 8, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
New Starter == Bad Karma.
McNabb is a good QB. I have a lot of respect for him. I’m not crazy about the idea of him in a Broncos uniform, for the same reason I don’t really want to see any veteran QB brought in to replace Orton: unless the QB is well-versed in the Patriot-style McD offense, I don’t see it as a move forward in the QB position.
I would rather see either a new backup to replace Simms, or else a rookie QB drafted to ride the bench and learn the offense.
I'd rather draft Clausen
I don’t see the long term value in McNabb, and this team isn’t one piece away from being a Super Bowl contender. That being said, if we used a draft pick or two on McNabb, I would welcome it.
I wouldn't give up anything higher than a 3rd for McNabb...
Might package another late rounder with that 3rd, but trading for an old QB who doesn’t fit our system when we have other holes to fill doesn’t make sense to me.
I’m trying to figure out why any of you would want this guy…
I’ll do a numbered list:
1. He is known to shrink in large games. Not a big-game player.
2. He is injury prone.
3. He runs like a fat duck.
4. He is old.
5. He has no experience in our system.
6. Did I mention he runs like a duck?
by aLuffabo on Feb 8, 2010 12:38 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
LOL
That ‘fat duck’ outraced DJ Williams for a 37 yard first down.
Just saying. :)
It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?
aka Solace
Yeah yeah yeah…
I know he can run, that is the one point I was joking on. He is definitely an upgrade over Orton in the mobility department. But you ignored the other points on my list, those are valid… what do you say to those?
And seriously, how long do you think it would take for McFlabb to throw out a couple of his patented wabblers or one of his stupid interceptions before the Denver faithful are booing him judiciously? I put the over/under at 1 quarter. Possibly halftime of the first game.
by aLuffabo on Feb 8, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
IF I was going to respond to this I would say
1) Peyton manning is known to shrink in big games. John Elway was known to shrink in big game. McNabb has played in more big games in his career then Orton has. MCD would value that experience
2) So is Orton. 2 injuries on the same ankle is cause for concern
3) On a bad day is more mobile then Orton could ever dream to be
4) He is 33. Warner was 38. Favre is 40. Manning is 33. Brady is 32. You could still get 3-5 years out of him.
5) Neither did Orton, Simms or Brandstater. Any rookie we might bring in has no experience in this system. Should we never draft a rookie again? Coaches get paid to coach. You coach him up.
6) See #3
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
I guess it just boils down to the fact that you like McNabb and I don’t. The Cowboys are my second team, I live in Texas, this means that I watch McNabb quite a bit. I see a talented player who doesn’t perform in big games, fades down the stretch of the season, and isn’t overly accurate with the football. Not to mention his skills and qualities as a QB fit much better in Philly’s scheme than ours.
I really think we would be better off next season sticking with Orton in his second year of experience in the system than starting from scratch with an overrated, underachieving quarterback who waddles like a duck (couldn’t help myself).
Thats fine
AS I mentioned earlier I would be on board if it didnt mean mortgaging the future. If it means giving up anymore then a 2nd and player I woudnt do it. Even the 2nd would be extremely hard to walk away from in this draft.
At the end of the day I dont think Denver makes this move.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
1) Doesnt matter big game or Not he has never been a accurate QB his strength was always in his legs . If you think a son to be 34 yr old 240lbs QB is gonna be running around buying time you lose before you start. This woul be like Culpepper going to Miami then Oak then the Lions . He shows flashes of his old self but can never sustain the level of play that he had 5-6 years ago . The athleticism is gone.
2) Ortons injury was on the other ankle
3) Mcnabb is a scrambler Orton is a pocket passer so Mcnabb should be more mobile the key here is that our offense is not built around the QB scrambling
4) Those guys never relied solely on there athleticism . All those guys were pocket passers . His talent was never in his arms but his legs
5) you dont coach 34 year old 10+ year starters up . They are not gonna change kinda like Warner when he went to the Giants for that one year . You either change your system to suit them or fail. It was easier to groom the young QB(Manning) to adjust then to teach a old dog new tricks.
As I said before we run a horizontal offense with a bunch of crossing routes you dont want your QB constantly running horizontal as well as if just a breeding ground for picks . Now we can move the pocket or run some bootlegs but AGAIN hes 33yrs old you are just asking for trouble to keep thinking you can build something around him operating outside of the pocket .
by Hoopforia on Feb 8, 2010 2:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
Cause Brett FAvre just miraculously cut his INT’s from 22 to 7 in his 19th season. That had NOTHING to do with coaching.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Brilliant
AP threw 33 TD’s. AP also turned Sidney Rice into one of the best young receivers and helped Harvin win ROY.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
The duck
converted a 3rd and 25 on us this year and killed any chance we had of coming back in that game
Like Elway he isnt the fastest guy on field, but he is a smart runner when he needs too.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Okay, but at least he is a fat duck that can run
Unlike Orton who is more like a sitting duck
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
by sadaraine on Feb 8, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Thats funny.. Great one!
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
No matter what happens, good work on this post, my friend.
I enjoyed the read.
I tend to agree with McGeorge on this point that McNabb has more talent than Orton, however, BShrout has an excellente point regarding the 2nd year in the system.
Interesting story and debate, however.
How is that for having one’s cake and eating it too!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I have for years loved hating McNabb
Obtaining McNabb would be a major disappointment. I would rather see Simms under center (not that I think he is better). Besides being the bad guy in the TO debacle, McNabb reminds me of Marino: He gets lots of great stats but never wins anything.
Very thought-provoking post
I’d be okay with this move if that is what our organization wanted to do. Say what you want about cheering on Orton…here is the truth:
McNabb in his 1st year of this system > Orton in his 2nd year in this system BY FAR
McNabb is much more talented than Orton. He would be a signing much like Dawkins…3 years maybe? Long enough to get a young replacement groomed and meanwhile give us a great player for the short-term.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Might help us to keep B-Marsh too?
I’d love it. Kyle is a great guy, but he’s not a great QB.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
I'm all for getting McNabb if it means people will shut their freaking mouths about an "elite" qb.
Also, on the topic of “elite” quarterbacks, in Brees’ 4th or 5th year, he was considered average at best which is why he was replaced by Rivers in SD in the first place. See how that worked out? He’s now considered one of the best in the game today. After yesterday, I would make the argument that he was THE best quarterback in 2009.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
besides..
Getting rid of Kyle Orton, I personally believe Kyle Orton will be even better next year! I say we keep him I mean he did perfectly fine for his first season in a new system.. stats don’t lie 3,802 passing yards, 21 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and a quarterback rating 86.8.. I am pleased with that performance and expect better!. BUT I do like the possibility of getting LaGarrette Blount He had slight issues his senior year with the Boise State Knock Out but was very productive whenever he touched the ball a very tough runner would add much more competition to our run game. I can hear it now… The Three Headed Monster!!!
by BroncoNation8908 on Feb 8, 2010 1:47 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I love McNabb
But his game is throwing downfield, not attacking the short zones with accuracy. Just doesn’t seem like a match. And, as several have mentioned, he’s getting long in the tooth.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Feb 8, 2010 2:09 PM MST reply actions
Why?
I just can’t understand why anyone would want a West Coast offensive player like McNabb. He’s not the pocket passer we need and it’s a recipe for more drama between a player and McD. I can just see McNabb trying to improvise plays and the HC having fits. Talk about fireworks and more soap opera that Denver does not need.
If we brought him in as a backup, he could battle for the the #2 QB spot, but he’ll command too high a salary to justify sitting him on the bench. Replace Orton? That would set us back a whole year, since he doesn’t know the system or the terminology.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
by Horsepower on Feb 8, 2010 2:10 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
There are many in Philly that love McNabb, and many that hate him.
After losing Dawkins, to lose McNabb as well could spark all out gang warfare in the streets. Jeffrey Lurie would have to enter the witless protection program.
+2 Love the mobility
-2 Hate the clock management (I’ve mentioned before that Reid and McNabb combine for the worst clock management in sports history)
+1 Upgrade in arm
-1 $$$$
+1 DJ won’t be asked to chase him ever again
-1 Losing draft picks while in reload mode
-1year Needs to learn system
-1 Injury history
All things being equal, it doesn’t add up to equal. Like your mock, though.
the only thing that would be comforting to bring in a QB on the downhill of his career. :)
+1 DJ won’t be asked to chase him ever again
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Feb 8, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
Here's some gasoline to throw on top of this flame
click here to see what I’m talking about.
Check that above link out. Not sure if it’s post 2008 or post 2009.
Things I DIDN’T know: (as of the print date of the article…)
McNabb has (is tied for) the lowest interceptions to attempts ratio in NFL history
McNabb is #3 in all time attempts to touchdown ratio in NFL history
McNabb has the 3rd best winning percentage of current QBs
I’m still extraordinarily skeptical that any of this will amount to anything more than speculation and knee-jerk excitement, but what the hell, it’s a slow Broncos news day!
correction:
McNabb is #3 in all time attempts to touchdown ratio in NFL history
should read
McNabb is #3 in all time TD to INT ratio
not thinkning clearly
NO
This isn’t going to happen, I’ll tell you why: McNabb is not smart enough to learn the system. He is one of the dumber QBs in the league, and that’s the opposite of what McDaniels wants. Plus, we have a pretty good QB already that has a year of experience in the system. This makes no sense whatsoever.
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
Where do you get McNabb is not smart?????
Everything I’ve heard about him is he is very intelligent-football wise anyways. Now he didn’t know the overtime rule and that was pretty bad but people are mistaken about stuff like that all the time. My brother is a lawyer and doesn’t know how to say the word “contribute” correctly, doesn’t make him dumb, just mistaken.
"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi
by RockyMountainThunder on Feb 8, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
You may be right,
Maybe he isn’t really stupid, but I find it stupid to bring in a guy that doesn’t have any experience in the system.
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
according to who?
Rush Limbaugh?
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Feb 8, 2010 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
Why replace Orton
When Orton is learning the system that takes 2-3 years to learn? Do you want to start over?
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
The simple reason is..
MCD doesnt like what he see’s in Orton. Since he is the head coach if he decides to go in another direction that tells you all you need to know.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Where is that coming from?
I have yet to see a McDaniels’ quote that says he doesn’t like what he sees in Orton.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 8, 2010 5:32 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He hasnt
I’m saying if they did trade him its because MCD didnt like what he saw with Orton and thought he could upgrade his team with McNabb
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
He also said that the
coaches, the lines, the offense, the defense, etc could all improve. . .
just saying
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
My bad
I missed the conditional in there. That’s what happens when I run in & out working on a sailboat while reading & responding.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
With Brian Dawkins already in town and Buckhalter already here I think McNabb would want to come to Denver - alot better than Cleveland or Buffalo.
I think drafting Mike Iupati would help solve Denver’s biggest position of need Left Guard. And signing the 2 Key Free Agents – Eugene Amano and Dwan Edwards would give Denver 2 Quality Starters in position of need.
Perfect Ploy??
What if all this QB talk by Bowlen and the media and the “supposed” talk by the Boncos and Eagles is all just a ploy by the organization and Josh of course, to make teams more interested in trading up for our 10th. Just a thought but there is more going on in Josh’s mind than we know. Its seems very odd, Mcnabb is good but I don’t want my QB throwing up on a last minute drive. These rumors make Denver’s pick more interesting to any QB needy team. Lets say they know that Philly won’t part with McNabb, why not make it look like you really wanted him and are now forced to look to the draft for your franchise QB. What a great strategy to obtaining extra picks. Kyle seems like the guy who could handle this type of “Drama” (unlike Cutler) and it might actually elevate his game. Just thinking outside the box…
by northoftheborder on Feb 8, 2010 5:17 PM MST reply actions
McDaniels isn’t going to make calls to Philly just for a Smoke Screen. McNabb was rated the top 7 QB in the NFL by alot of Scouts. McDaniels loves throwing the ball and McNabb has a much stronger arm and is a better passer than Orton.
McDaniels wants(or should I say needs to) WIN NOW. McNabb is 33 and should give Denver a 5 year window to Win The SuperBowl.
I understand that point-Win Now
But is Mcnabb really smart enough, all I know is that your QB better be intelligent (especially for Denver’s system)and I just don’t see Mcnabb grasping the system and looking that much better than Orton. Only time will tell on this one but it just seems like an odd fit from my standpoint. Nice mock by the way.
by northoftheborder on Feb 8, 2010 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the feedback. Yes NFL QB’s need to be smart. McNabb is definetely smart enough.
McDaniels system is set on there always should be a open WR. But the QB and the WR must make the same read at the line of scrimmage.
McNabb has now been in the NFL for over 10 years and knows how to read a defense. He has a much stronger arm and can make all the throws – he hits TE’s , WR’s like DeSean Jackson.
I really think this is going to happen. Think about it if Denver scored 2 More TD’s during the regular season we would have made the Playoffs. McNabb has been one of the best QB’s in the NFL the last decade.
KYLE ORTON HEARS RUMOR THAT MCDANIELS WANTS TO TRADE HIM FOR MCNABB
In a shocking development, Kyle Orton has publicly demanded to be traded from the Denver Broncos after hearing several rumors from unidentified sources that Josh McDaniels was seriously considering trading the star 27-year-old quarterback for aging Eagles gunslinger Donovan McNabb. Orton has reportedly locked himself in his home in Chicago and will not speak to any team representatives. His father did make a statement, however:
“My son, his agent, and I are working extremely hard to ensure a trade out of Denver. We feel that this talk of a trade to Philadelphia is both discourteous and insulting, and, quite frankly, we wish to sever all ties with the Denver Broncos organization and their coach, Josh McDoesn’tKnowHowToHandleHisStarQuarterbacks.”
Reactions across the internet have been extremely caustic regarding the 33-year-old coach’s handling of the situation. Via Twitter, John Clayton said, “McDaniels just doesn’t know what he’s doing… you just don’t trade away a star QB at 27 when he’s entering his prime.”
Hey kiddies.... I have Internet candy in my van...
by papigrande on Feb 8, 2010 5:57 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
ROFL
That’s awesome PG.
I especially like the link (yes, I did choose to click on it. LOL)
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Gave that comment a rec
No to McNabb and yes to giving Orton another year. Also can’t understand why everyone is throwing Brandstater under the bus. Nobody has said (anyone that matters that is ie: Broncos mgt) that Brandstater hasn’t learned the Offense or hasn’t adjusted or learned enough of the O to warrant being thrown under the bus. Just my opinion for whatever that’s worth.
Haha that's awesome!
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
McNabb......really?
Uhhhhhh, NO!
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
McNabb
is not the answer. Not that Orton is either but why make a lateral move. McNabb is slightly better than Orton yes but doesn’t solve anything long term. His accuracy isn’t very good. He throws way to many passes at the feet of recievers. Besides we could trade for Peyton Manning and with our Oline we’d still stink on O.
Changed my mind
I want this to happen. A player as hungry for a title as McNabb with the weapons we have? Forget about it.
Doesn't this whole scenario look familiar???
Team says we’re not trading QB. Teams call them to kick the tires for the heck of it. The last time we saw this we know what happend. QB gets pissed that team answers phone, demands trade, gets traded.
Where have I seen this before. Except so far McNabb isn’t being a complete d-bag and requesting a trade because of hurt feelings.
McNabb is either gone this year or after next year
Kolb is the future in Philly and he has one more year left on his deal. Philly may want to see what Kolb has as a full time stater in 2010. Philly will do what GB did with Farve. Trade in for the younger cheaper talent
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 8, 2010 7:48 PM MST reply actions
This Rumor also comes from
ESPN and I never believe anything they report. Well unless it comes from Schefter
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 8, 2010 7:51 PM MST reply actions
What about Vick?
Yeah I know he wants to be a starter somewhere and he wouldn’t start or fit the system here, but wow, he looked really good at the end of the season.
LOL
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Feb 9, 2010 8:06 AM MST up reply actions
If we trade for Donovan McNabb and fix our Oline with Eugene Amano and keep Brandon Marshall – Denver can make a Super Bowl run the next 5 years.
We have WR’s = Marshall , Royal , Gaffney , Stokely , Scheffler
RB’s = Moreno , Buckhalter
On Defense = Brian Dawkins , DJ Williams , Andre Goodman , Elvis Dumervil
We have a talent on this team – McNabb is good for 5 more years.
I won't doubt McNabb's talent & possible longevity
I’m simply not convinced that he would be a good fit for McDaniels’ offense. I don’t see McDaniels making the extensive changes to his scheme that would be needed to make the best use of McNabb’s strengths. Nor do I see McNabb, at this point in his career, making the kinds of changes that would be needed to fit into McDaniels’ system, if the system was not changed.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 9, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
A Mike Lombardi quote “Watching the Super Bowl, it’s clear that to win the big game a team must have a big thrower playing quarterback, someone who can make tough throws and run a sophisticated offense that can score points. The rules have changed so much that the NFL is a passing league, and without an effective passer, there’s very little chance the Super Bowl can be an achievable goal. The list below is formulated because of the quality of the quarterback play from each team, no matter what these teams do this offseason. When teams look over this list, their first reaction might be, "We can improve. We will be better than this once we make a few moves." But without the quarterback in place, that kind of thinking is just hoping for success, not planning for success. This list should reinforce to every personnel man in the league, every team builder in the league, that they must fix the quarterback, first and foremost.”
Lombardi didnt even watch the game LOL I think its obvious to anyone who watched how important having a well rounded team is
The saints got excellent play from the ST’s , outstanding play from the defense and the offense was able to execute a dink and dunk game plan while being able to come up with some timely running when needed .
Sounds a awful lot like the gameplan we tried to use to beat “the arm”
by Hoopforia on Feb 9, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
I like your response.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 9, 2010 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
+2
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Feb 9, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
+3
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Go Back and look at SuperBowl winning QB’s the last 15 years.
John Elway – NFL Veteran
Tom Brady – NFL Veteran
Ben Rothesberger – Won as Rookie on Great team and then again.
Drew Brees – NFL Veteran
Peyton Manning – NFL Veteran
NY Giants – NFL Veteran
Donovan McNabb has a much better chance of getting Denver to The Superbowl than Kyle Orton or drafting a Rookie QB.
Philly is 16/1 odds of winning the SuperBowl while Denver and Kyle Orton is 50/1
By Trading for McNabb Denver would have a 5 year window to win the SuperBowl!!!!!!!!!!
Would it be your contention then
That McNabb is the sole reason that Philadelphia is a Super Bowl contender? That their 6th ranked offense and 10th ranked defense are simply minor role players in that rating?
Also, the posting of SB winning QBs as all being vets doesn’t really support your contention — Orton will be a 6th year QB in 2010, and so by definition a veteran. Does that mean he will take us to the SB? Not in & of itself.
And a point of clarification: Roethlisberger was drafted in 2004, went 13-0 and lost to NE in the AFC Championship game. It was in the following season that he led Pittsburgh to the SB.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Let's not forget 2 important facts.
1) Kyle now has one years experience in this system
2) He was injured most of last year (you may forget b/c he played any ways) and should be healthy after the “off season”.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Feb 9, 2010 1:38 PM MST reply actions
ESPN Insider..
is like saying John Doe said that Denver would trade for McNabb
NAH, just a rumor because there is no mention in NFLRumors. or any of the blogs.
McNabb is NOT what the Broncos are working toward. They have a 25 yr QB that runs the offense quite well. They are looking for the future QB.
I am sorry but Kyle Orton isn’t a Elite QB and almost all the the teams who won the SuperBowl have one. Trent Dilfer was on arguably one of the best Defenses Ever.
I think it is going to happen – McNabb to Denver!!!
McNabb can go to Minnesota
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Sayre gave me a link to Bill Williamson's blog
that summarizes the trade rumor. Williamson’s blog also has a link the original ESPN article. There is an important part of the rumor that has been omitted by many people in the media when they report on this:
We’ve had reports today from ESPN folk who apparently have too much time on their hands, with their network not doing the game. Adam Schefter says teams have asked the Birds about all three of their quarterbacks and three teams have called about Michael Vick. Sal Paolantonio added that three teams — Cleveland, Denver and Buffalo — have had multiple conversations with the Eagles about Donovan McNabb.
Don’t know the exact teams myself, but I understand there have been a lot of calls, many of them not about any QB in particular, just letting the Eagles know Team X is interested, should they look to deal any of their three. I’m also told nothing is anywhere close to happening, that all of the queries have been preliminary.
(emphasis was added by me)
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
crud, that last paragraph was supposed to be in the block quote also as it was the next paragraph in the article
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
The article also included
a reference to Reid stating that McNabb would be the Eagles QB in 2010.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
McNabb vs Orton
What Ortan can’t do McNabb can and offers a huge upgrade at a position needed to win playoff games and even more important win at the Big Party… Trade would make Broncos instant contender…
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