Josh McDaniels Speaks; Broncos Country Listens
A couple days ago, there was a short interview in the Denver Post with Pat Bowlen. During that interview, he stated that he would like Brandon Marshall to return to the Broncos, but wouldn't overrule his Head Coach to make it happen.
Brandon Marshall has also said he wants to return to the Broncos, if things - read contract - work out that way. Marshall has stated his love for Denver and his desire to stay.
In the past, Josh McDaniels has also said he would like Marshall to be around - at least as much as a coach like McDaniels will commit to anything. Now McDaniels has come out again, this time in a sit-down interview with CBS4's Gary Miller and once-again expressed his desire to bring Marshall back to the Broncos -
Certainly. I mean he had a great year, a Pro Bowl year. Brandon and I got along fine and I know we've had some differences of opinion and some other things that have happened, but he's a very good player, obviously, one of the elite receivers in this league. Our goal is to try to keep all of our good players and he's certainly one of them.
We're looking to assemble the best team we can with the best talent and the best players and he's certainly proved this year that he's one of those guys in this league that's going to continue to be productive at that level every season.
McDaniels also talked about rumors flying - or being started by players - that he treated Mike Shanahan players differently -
There's one team in Denver, there are not two teams. There's not an old Denver and a new Denver. There's not Josh's guys and Mike's guys. There's one locker room, there's one team. Any talk of anything other is dead wrong.
There were a lot of players who we brought in this year that I had no experience with … and didn't understand their entire background. But I knew of them as players and I knew of them as people when I got the opportunity to meet them briefly before we signed them.
As for thoughts on McDaniels being a 'system guy', McDaniels got straight to the point.
If you only have really talented players but your system is very simple and average, it can't adjust to beat somebody else. Ultimately you're going to run into somebody who has got some talented players of their own, with a great system. Then they out-game plan you, they out-coach you. Now you end up losing the game.
Again, all parties - the coach, the owner and the player - have stated their desire to be together. Only time will tell, and March 5th is quickly approaching.
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Bowlen and McDaniels on Marshall
Of course they are going to say they’d like him back. If they say otherwise, it drops his trade value a lot. I’m not saying they don’t want him back, just saying.
The prophet Elijah told Ahab that the dogs would lick his blood, and so it came to pass, as you would imagine, since only the successful prophets are remembered.
EXACTLY my thoughts!
I will be disappointed if Marshall ends up in Denver unless the compensation is ridiculously low.
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Feb 8, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
liked the interview
hes a good speaker. Liked what i heard from the interview.
one thing i got from this is i Think alot of the names and staerotypes that MCD has been called by the media and some fans is all just some preconcieved notion that’s been tossed around.
also good to hear that he noticed some things he can improve on
I went to the interview too
I like what I heard from McDaniels when he spoke about players vs the system:
This is a paraphrase, but I liked it when he said basically that while you can and should adjust the system somewhat to fit players, you have to go into it saying “This is what we have got to have.” Then he used the example of wanting guys who are 6’ 4" and 300+ and you have a guy who’s 6’ 2" and 260, then it just isn’t going to work.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
for the mathematically inclined
What he’s saying makes perfect sense if you’re nerdy enough. Sadly, the pocket protector-deprived have yet to find a clue.
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it would be to read McD’s position manuals for his players. The one’s that lay out the ideal specimens they are looking for.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 8, 2010 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
But that
would make things too easy. =)
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Hmm...
McDaniels wants Marshall, Bowlen wants Marshall…Marshall wants Denver. We have no reason to believe anything else at this point, thus the greatest assumption is he will be back. Marshall is not demanding a trade like Cutler did last year so this situation is not anything similar. He wants more money. He’s not offended by McDaniels.
Marshall may be turning into a real professional. I want that on my team, if so.
your right
all signs point to marshall coming back. Only people saying marshall is leaving is the media.
And most of MHR. Don’t forget them.
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"them"?
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fight? fight fight, down behind the ol' jacoby house.... lol
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Feb 8, 2010 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
+1 on them comment
Come on McGeorge, don’t try to dissociate from MHR. :)
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by RockyMountainThunder on Feb 8, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
And we here at MHR care what the media thinks because......
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we don't know and we won't know for awhile
But I agree, if Marshall has truly matured and turned the corner and can still be a beast for us on the field and a team guy in the locker room, it would be a shame if the team that went to the bat for him so many times, the team that showed great patience and support for him, and helped him become a man in this league… it would be a shame if that team did not reap those rewards.
I have faith in him, personally, and I want him to be here.
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by broncosmontana on Feb 8, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
All we know for now
is that no bridges have been burned. Getting across them is another matter. Each side is displaying the right attitude and I hope this is resolved in a professional manner, one way or the other. Marshall’s talent and value to the team must be weighed against his reliability and potential for suspension. Unless another team offers a 1st round pick (and possibly another asset, depending on the draft pick’s value), the Broncos should just tender him and keep him another year.
Nobody knows if Marshall has matured, not even Brandon Marshall. Nobody is going to hurt trade value by saying that Brandon no longer belongs in Denver. I’m happy to hear good things, but in truth, this means absolutely nothing. It’s not just the media comming up with the idea that Brandon MIGHT be moved. It’s common sense.
I don’t believe the relationship is tarnished beyond repair, a la Cutler. I think this comes down to the numbers vs the risk, regardless of whatever said. We all have opinions of whether we extend him or trade him, but there’s no denying that he IS a risk. You certainly have to weigh the fact that we may never again be able to get value for him. We have to realize that he’s one suspension away from lowering his trade value and not being allowed on the field.
If we bet on Marshall, by showing him the money, we could end up with an elite WR who has truly matured and be the Beast he is for years to come. We could also end up with a guy who hits his girlfriend, gets suspended for eight games next year, and ends up with nearly zero trade value.
It comes down to the numbers. What he wants to be paid vs risk vs trade value.
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by Alex on Feb 8, 2010 2:27 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Exceptionally well said elvisalex!
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Feb 8, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you!
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Sometimes
You just have to roll the bones and hope for the best.
I think we just sit back and see what happens.
Maybe Marshall realizes that if he stays he will catch 100+ for the next few years, break records and be in the HoF someday. Maybe he sees what can happen with another year under McD and the “system”. Who knows? He he he, The Shadow knows (okay bad old radio pun, but I had to).
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I disagree
Throughout the season Marshall had played the way Denver fans have expected of him. To continuously bring up his legal issues (from domestic spats) is really unwarranted as Marshall is no longer surrounded by that individual.
The maturation process started because Marshall did resist, fight the system and staff that both McDaniels and Xanders put together. Even if Marshall is simply saying and doing the right things this time around, it is proof of his maturation. Frankly, no athlete will play their and perform their trade w/o the idea of making the most money.
Cutler scenario has already played out. Wish people would just move on from that because its not even close to what is going on w/Marshall. Cutler wanted nothing to do w/McDaniels and that is simply what it came down to. If a player feels they cannot develop, let alone not try, a working relationship then I rather have that particular player moved so that the rest of the 52 players can get on board. Cutler did do Denver a favor and I’m sure it wasn’t easy.
Regarding risk, I will always remember Terrell Davis. Especially who he was, no one would have ever expected Davis to have his career cut short by making a tackle during an interception. If anything it would have been more of him carrying 11 Raiders on his back as he got another first down. All these players are associated w/risk and Davis had signed a new contract and to the very end attempted to earn every cent. I’m sure Marshall would apply himself the only way he knows how, especially if he’s happy w/his contract.
Trade value is not what I’m too interested in because Denver loses more than whatever they get for him. Its like Philly fans wanting to trade McNabb over the silliest notions such as he can’t . I rather our fans simply say it more bluntly such as “I want to trade Marshall because I don’t like his attitude about wanting to be paid more” or “he’s not mature look at his past, I don’t care what he’s saying now”.
Players grow w/time. Players mature when they try their own way and see that the only way to succeed is to simply let go and buy into the system. I see these two points played out. Maybe its more news to promote the trade than the latter but I for one believe he’s not going anywhere and I’d like to have it that way.
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by dcrespo7 on Feb 9, 2010 5:43 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't disagree more
I don’t call them ‘spats’; I call them arrests. And by my count he’s up to a bakers dozen, or so, of those so called spats. These weren’t blimishes for stealing baseball cards and these didn’t happen seven years ago. He’s seen more red and blue lights in the past few years than Bernie Madoff. You can’t just nevermind the issues here because you want him to stay in Denver… I can assure you that Commissioner Goodell won’t be so kind when/if Marshall has one of his ‘spats’ again. And my guess is that the girl won’t feel too great about it either.
To continuously bring up his legal issues (from domestic spats) is really unwarranted as Marshall is no longer surrounded by that individual.
I respectfully just couldn’t disagree more. I don’t blame his legal issues on ‘that individual’; I blame them on him. If he’s matured fine. But it’s very hard to understand how you could advocate forgetting the past issues as if they didn’t and no longer will happen. It hasn’t been that far removed. YEAH!!! He made it whole year without sitting in the back of a cop car!!! Now we’re supposed to not ever bring it up? Thirteen arrests isn’t a hickup, it’s a rule.
I don’t care if Brandon stays or leaves, but I don’t compare this situation to Cutler. I have repeatedly stated that the issue is not beyond repair like Cutler’s was. My point to you is that it seems like a tough argument to make, that when speaking of the team’s long-term commitment to Brandon, that we have to forget his legal troubles and suspension risk. He’s basically been suspended twice by the team and once by the league. Next suspension from Goodell is sure to have teeth, and that IS a risk that should be concidered when speaking of Brandon’s future.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
by Alex on Feb 9, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Marshall is coming back...
At least I hope he is…I just cant imagine watching our offense next year with Kyle Orton throwing to Gaffney and 3 yard runs my Moreno…Our offense was pathetic this year and it wont get any better if we trade away our best player. The draft is so uncertain (just look at our draft last year) I would hate to find a stop-gap player to fill B Marsh’s void because lets face it…B Marsh is a top 5 WR in the NFL and very few teams are ever lucky enough to find that kind of talent. Sure Dez Bryant might be a good NFL player…but he still has a lot to prove before he can be counted on for 100+ receptions every year.
Whether Dez Bryant is viewed as an effective potential replacement
depends on your view of Brandon Marshall. If you think he’s a top-5 WR, then it would be viewed as a hard position to replace.
If you’re like me and feel (strongly) that Marshall is no better than 15-20, taking a chance on Bryant who could actually ascend to that top-5 range due to being a good deep threat , w/ great ball skills and good hands, then it might be a wortwhikle risk. Plus the reduction in character headaches.
It will all depend on how McDaniels views Marshall’s value. However, most NFL franchises value WRs who can be explosive downfield more highly than possesion WRs.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Most NFL franchises value WRs that are game changers that must be game planned for each and every week. Marshall fits this bill to a T.
Don’t get too caught up in the down field threat line of reasoning. A. Lelie was a great down field threat, but he wasn’t a guy teams had to game plan around.
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He is saying Marshall doesn't have a complete game
and he is right. Remember that a quarter of Marshall’s catches came in one game, and that was a game we lost despite those efforts. I went back and watched the Cincinnatti game last night, and his drops, as well as the deep ball that went right through his hands reminded me how inconsistent he is. His size is the one thing about him that would be hard to replace, but then his gargantuan size is doubtful to be part of the required measurements of a receiver in McD’s offense. As BShrout pointed out elsewhere, with some topnotch research, Marshall has benefitted from being targetted too much, at the expense of rest of the offense.
The 100 catches a year may sound great, but I think it is pretty misleading when measuring his actual value. He is a possession receiver on an offense that hasn’t had an explosive WR in years. He is still developing, and I agree with broncosmontana above that it would be a shame if we put this much time and patience into him only to trade him on the cusp of him finally “getting it,” but sometimes sunk costs are just that. The Shanny philosophy of sunk costs was to double down until you had made up for them. But it is usually better to just move on.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 8, 2010 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
Ahhh – that is nonsense Jeremy.
Your math is terrible. 1/5 of his catches came in one game and it was a game where we would have gotten destroyed save for his all time NFL efforts. Let’s mark that game down as a negative for BM shall we…. Come on.
Eddie Royal is a guy to wonder about as far as future potential. Is Royal ever going to be a player for us is a question you guys need to spend more timing pondering. I’ll never understand why Royal gets such a free ride a MHR.
Go watch the Dallas game and tell me Marshall is replaceable.
There must be a reason why Cutler and Orton gravitate toward Marshall. I think it is because Marshall was/is constantly getting open and an easy choice as the best option. We were not winning games early in 2009 because our O was balanced. We were winning bacause our D was aweome, our schedule was easy, we got really lucky in one and Orton played his best ball. Our O sucked in several of those wins.
We didn’t lose games late in 2009 because Marshall caught too many passes, we lost because our interior O-line was awful, the run D fell apart, our running game was blah and guys like Eddie Royal, Hillis and Scheff went AWOL.
Again, if Royal hadn’t sucked so so bad in 2009, maybe we could balance out our O, but our lack of offensive balance was due entirely to Eddie’s suckage, a lot of poor play calling and some awful interior O-line play.
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by McGeorge on Feb 8, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow....
I find myself agreeing with you for once, McG (actually the second time today, I didn’t reply to the first, though)…….I’ve said all along I want Marshall back if he wants to be back, but I didn’t see it working out. Hopefully this isn’t all smoke and mirrors and we can work things out with him.
I agree he may have some holes in his game, but outside of Fitz and A.Johnson I’m not sure there’s a receiver that doesn’t.
1/5 is right
but that misses my point, which is that the volume of his catches is a poor substitute for valuable catches. I am advocating quality over quantity here and saying that to constantly point to 100 is to misidentify what Marshall is.
Just like BShrout in his post, pointing out the nature of BM’s receptions shouldn’t be taken as marking them down as a negative, it is is offered only as an antidote to the idea that BM’s volume of catches somehow outweighs the value of those catches, and perhaps more importantly the value of the catches he doesn’t and cannot make. He only has the tools he has and he isn’t getting any faster.
There is a reason why QBs gravitate towards Marshall, and it isn’t because he is more open than anyone else. If that was the case, Cutler wouldn’t have been targetting BM in multiple coverage situations all the time. I think Orton and Cutler both had different reasons, but one thing they probably saw in common was how big of a target Marshall was, not how open he was.
My point in all this is that Marshall does not have a complete game like everyone else at the top of the WR heap, or those who are prospects for that kind of esteem, and that 100 catches a year is not objective proof of a complete game. I would make the same case for Wes Welker. I am not trying to make a point of whether Marshall should stay or go, or be replaced, just that he is not irreplaceable. WR’s with complete games are rare and hard to replace. The only thing hard to replace about Brandon Marshall is his size.
And just so I am clear, that doesn’t mean I think we should replace him. When he caught the pass against Dallas, I wanted to keep him. When he was in the news for DV, I wanted to replace him. I’m depressingly familiar with all the reasons why Denver struggled in 09, and I’m not trying to lay any of that solely at Brandon’s feet. I think Denver should strive to keep playmakers, but not at the cost of their own integrity. Marshall’s requirements for being here (which aren’t clear yet) will determine whether the organization needs to violate its integrity to keep him or not.
For me, this isn’t about Royal at all, and not because I think he deserves a free pass. To me, he had a stellar rookie year that trailed off disturbingly at the end, and then a sophomore campaign that he should be ashamed of, but the questions I want answered in regard to Royal seem unanswerable right now, so I don’t ask them, for better or worse. Things like wondering why he ran the ball out of the endzone at the end of the Cinci game. With only 38 seconds to play, starting at the 20 with a touchback seems like the no brainer since it cost no clock time. The Bengals STs were playing well, and Royal only got out to the 15 I think, so why did he do that? Was he told to? Was it his choice? Those are the things I wonder about with Eddie, and frankly, they probably will never be answered, so I, and probably most people are just waiting for next year to see which Eddie is which. I don’t see Eddie getting a free ride so much as he just isn’t getting covered…
Not trying to put the squeeze on you McGeorge, just trying to clarify where I am coming from here…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 9, 2010 12:09 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
he's not KC's version of Larry Johnson
“I think Denver should strive to keep playmakers, but not at the cost of their own integrity. Marshall’s requirements for being here (which aren’t clear yet) will determine whether the organization needs to violate its integrity to keep him or not.”
Marshall has improved as a person and a professional. For anyone to expect him not to continue w/his progression and expect the same issues to arise when he was in and out of his domestic spats, are making this more into about them than what is actually playing out.
Marshall seems to be on the right path. Not to mention being aware of the CBA and how it effects him, that is clearly the biggest maturation I think I’ll ever see from the WR position for awhile.
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that's why Ashley is a raider
LMAO!
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You guys can keep saying this is all a ploy to increase his trade value and maybe you’re right.
But I certainly feel vindicated in my support for keeping Marshall and I think McD and Bowlen see this one more through my lens than that of the trade Marshall camp.
- is well on his way to a HOF career and I still think we’d be crazy to trade him as he enters his prime. BM is the kind of player you build around, even if he is pretty crazy. How else do you think we got him in round 4.
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I don't believe he dropped to round 4 because of his craziness
If that’s what your implying….If not I apologize.
IMO he dropped to the fourth round because he didn’t show outstanding speed in college and was kind of hidden at Central Florida in a run heavy system. When drafted, the Broncos had him pegged more of a Nate Jackson, type of TE. Too small to block but the type of TE you put out wide or as an HB.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Feb 8, 2010 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
Character concerns were listed amoung his negatvies as a draft prospect. He had some issues in college and the reason he ended up at Central Florida was partyly due to his issues in high school.
But those were not the only reasons he fell to round 4.
I’m was trying to get away with too much. Some guy already cited the Urban dictionary to counter one of my points this morning so I guess I was feeling a little lousy goosey with the facts.
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Didn't know the character issues went all the way back to h.s.
If this is true then the idea that a leopard doesn’t change it’s spots is even more spot on. I love Marshall’s football abilities and he is indeed fun to watch when he’s into his game, but he is way too much of a risk. He may even tear up the league wherever he ends up but that still doesn’t mean we risk keeping him and losing whatever trade value he has now, IMOP.
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Feb 8, 2010 5:59 PM MST up reply actions
He dropped to 4th round as he played his junior year at safety to help the team...
And then had a very good senior year!
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always gets me excited to see some football. I’m still not sure if he’s ultimately going to be successful, but I like the way he comes across in the interviews. Explains why he has certain convictions, and why it’s important to him to stay true to those convictions. Even if I don’t agree with everything he says, I admire him for that.
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Sorry, but how is this a story?
Cmon man! This is EXACTLY what you would expect to hear McDaniels say. To say otherwise damages Marshall’s trade value or angers Marshall. Both sides are just saying the right thing..
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I disagree
Respectfully of course. I think McDaniels usually is a little more coy about these situations and not willing to go so far as say they would love to have someone back. This is a step in the right direction IMHO.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Feb 8, 2010 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
Is it just me or is McD getting Fat
good interview, looks like the dude has put on some holiday weight……
Could be all thos coaches meetings with Martindale????
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by RockyMountainThunder on Feb 8, 2010 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
Now that's funny!
Although, Martindale might give ya a smack for that comment:O)
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Feb 8, 2010 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
If Marshall is still here come season opener is no matter to me, (if it really mattered)
Letting him go would set us back a pace or two definitely, but we could live with it. Now teaming Marshall and Dez Bryant together is a whole different story. One that might not be matched by any other team except maybe Arizona.
I'm pumped about the thought of a happy BM returning....
But I don’t think I want Bryant. I may get flamed, and I may be wrong, but not too many elite teams are built around their receivers. I think AZ is the only team you can even talk in that discussion, and they only made the SB last year because of an improbable run through the playoffs. They are the exception, not the rule.
I love good BM, wish bad BM would leave town, and hope that regardless of what happens we don’t draft Bryant in the first. Give me someone to build a defense around, or someone who can anchor our Oline for years to come. If it’s a deep threat we lack, we can get one later on at a huge discount.
I don't care what McD or Marshall say
we all know that people play games and let’s be honest neither of these two have been 100% trustworthy in the past. Actions speak louder than words. If Bowlen and McD want this guy back why are they not negotiating an extension? They want him back yes, but on their terms. They’ll tender him as a RFA and while they’ll keep him, it really doesn’t solve the core issue in that Marshall wants to be paid. I’m so tired of the talk either pay the dude or don’t but get the situation cleared up either way and stop pussyfooting around.
Out of curiosity
How do any of us know that negotiations have not been going on?
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
We don't. Great point BS.
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by kentuckybronco on Feb 9, 2010 6:15 AM MST up reply actions
So far so good.
Can’t really say much more that that til March.
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