What the Playoffs and Superbowl has made clear!!!!
This is a Quarterback driven league that favors the teams who pass the football ie Saints , Colts , Cardinals , Vikings , Chargers , New England , GreenBay.
This is Drew Brees , Peyton Manning , Kurt Warner , Brett Farve , Phillip Rivers , Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers.
Sure there are 2 exceptions = Baltimore Ravens and New York Jets. Both these teams have top 5 Running Games and top 5 Defenses.
Both came up short against better teams who pass the ball more.
Conference Championships
Indy Colts defeat the NY Jets = 30 - 17
Saints defeat the Vikings = 31-28
So in the last 15 years besides The Baltimore Ravens who had 1 of the best Defenses in the history of the NFL - most of the SuperBowls has been won by a Great QBs.
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So what does this mean for The Denver Broncos. I think we have 2 choices.
1. Trade for Donovan McNabb who is a 11 year Veteran who has done it all. ProBowl , SuperBowl , The Playoffs. Yes he hasn't won the SuperBowl but it took John Elway til his last 2 years playing in the NFL to win the SuperBowl with a new up and coming Head Coach.
Here are some of McNabb's IMPRESSIVE STATS from 2009.
1. In 14 games = 3,553 Yards , 22 TD's and 10 Int's.
2. Passes over 20 Yards = 55 passes
3. Passes over 40 Yards = 17 passes
4. Completed 60% of his passes.
Now did you see 2 and 3 - that is 72 Passes over 20 yards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or Denver can keep Kyle Orton and draft a QB of the Future. Which this year isn't very promising. Mike Lombardi of NFL Network says there isn't a QB he would draft in the top 10. Here's our options.
1. Sam Bradford - 6'4" 223lbs - Played in Spread Offense all his career. Put up INCREDIBLE #'s in 2009. 50 TD's and only 8 int's in 2008.
Bradfords main concerns is he injured his throwing shoulder 2 x in 2009 and has had surgery to repair. Also Denver would most likely need to trade up to draft Bradford. Here is a Mock Draft with him going 4th and Clausen 6th.
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm
Trading up to draft him would most likely cost Denver a 1st and 2nd Round Pick minimum.
2. Jimmy Clausen - QB - Notre Dame - 6'2" 223lbs - Threw for 3,722 yards and 28 TD's with 4 Int's -
Clausen's main concerns are his Leadership ablity - He has been rumored to be self centered and not a great leader - which in Denver would remind us of Jay Cutler and he had a foot injury that needed surgery.
Trading up to draft Clausen would most likely cost Denver atleast a 1st and 2nd.
3. Colt McCoy - 6'2" 210lbs - Colt is projected to go 2nd/3rd Round. He was highly productive at Texas but has been questioned about his size and arm strength. Probably is going to take 2-3 years like Kevin Kolb to develop a NFL Game.
4. Dan LeFevour - 6'3" 223lbs - Great #'s but has to answer questions about his arm strength. Probably is going to take 2-3 years to develop a NFL Game.
So yes I am hoping for Denver to do everything they possibly could do to trade for Donovan McNabb. Donovan McNabb is 33 years old and should be able to play 4-5 more years giving The Denver Broncos a 4-5 Year window to Win a SuperBowl and Develop a good young QB to take over for him once he is gone.
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I still believe that Denver's Team needs are -
1. Left Guard - Ben Hamilton's play declined dramatically and Russ Hockstein is more suited to be a backup. A upgrade in Free Agency - Eugene Amano - 6'3" 310lbs would fix Denver's #1 need in my mind. Amano can also play center.
2. DE - both Ryan McBean and Kenny Peterson did very well thru the first 6 games but the last 10 games it became apparent that Denver needs a upgrade on the Dline. A upgrade in Free Agency - Dwan Edwards - 6'3" 300lbs would give Denver some more talent on the Dline.
3. Center - Weigman has 1 more year left on his contract and if we could get a big upgrade at Left guard might just play 1 more year. Eugene Amano or Maurkice Pouncey are the 2 guys who I think could fix that problem.
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My mock Draft with Denver trading a 2nd Round Pick(2010) and 3rd Round Pick(2011) to Philly for Donovan McNabb.
Denver resigns all the major Free Agents - Brandon Marshall , Elvis Dumervil , Matt Praeter , Chris Kuper and Tony Scheffler.
Denver signs Free Agents
Eugene Amano - to a 5 year contract.
Dwan Edwards - to a 4 year contract.
2010 NFL DRAFT
*****Denver trades it's 10th/11th Pick to New England for their 1st , 2nd and 4th Round Picks. New England needs a WR with Wes Welker injured and Randy Moss slowing with age. They draft Dez Bryant.******
1st Round Pick(22nd)-----------------------------------------------------------Mike Iupati - Guard - Idaho - 6'5" 325lbs.
2nd Round Pick-------------------------------------------------------------------Cam Thomas - DE/NT - North Carolina - 6'4" 330lbs Denver drafts this big Defensive Lineman who can play both NT and DE.
3rd Round Pick--------------------------------------------------------------------Chris Cook - CB - Virginia - 6'2" 212lbs
4th Round Pick------------------------------------------------------------------------------LaGarrette Blount - RB - Oregon - 6'1" 245lbs.
4th Round Pick(via New England)---------------------------------------------------------------Micah Johnson - ILB - Kentucky - 6'3" 250lbs
6th Round Pick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dexter Davis - OLB - Arizonia St.
7th Round Pick------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Brent Bowden - P - Virginia Tech
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Donovan McNabb threw for over 20 yards 72 times last year and have similar or even better weapons in Denver.
Brandon Marshall = 6'4" 230lbs Freak at WR
Eddie Royal = very explosive WR - who has similar skills to DeSean Jackson
Tony Scheffler = Tall TE
Jabbar Gaffney = excellent overall WR
Knowshon Moreno = good young RB
Correll Buckhalter = very good RB.
I think it is going to happen.
Go Broncos
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No, I don't think it's going to happen
I don’t understand it that much. McNabb is aging and Orton already has a year of experience in the system. I say keep Orton and draft a player, or just stay with Brandstater if he is progressing how McD wants him to.
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
This is where I have a problem
McD made a vow when he got here that he would make any move necessary to give the Broncos the best chance to win. If I had to pick between a team led by McNabb, and a team led by Orton, I’m taking McNabb 100 times out of 100. He is far superior talent wise, and his age is not anywhere near a factor. He has at least four or five years left in him, lest he wins the Super Bowl next year in which case he may decide he has accomplished everything he wanted. Even then, I don’t see him losing the desire to play any time soon.
The Broncos can get him for a decent price, and they are the ones who are calling. Obviously they don’t think he’s a bad fit for the system. In fact, if they are the ones calling, they think he’s a good fit for the system, and the ideal fit.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 9, 2010 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
Keeping Orton is like keeping Brian Griese. He isn’t the answer.
Remember John Elway didn’t win a SuperBowl until his last 2 Seasons.
McNabb is only 33 and this is very likely to happen.
McDaniels loves to throw the ball. McNabb is alot better than Orton.
Please Define: "alot better"
Because from what I can see in the stats, that claim does not hold up. Here is a comparison of McNabb & Orton’s 2009 stats as posted on nfl.com (better stats are bolded for each player):
McNabb:
267/443 (60.5%) for 3553 yards.
31.6 attempts per game.
8.0 yard average per attempt.
253.8 yards average per game.
22 Touchdowns
10 Interceptions
148 First Downs
33.4 First Down Percentage
Longest pass play 60 yards
55 20+ yard pass plays
17 40+ yard pass plays
35 Sacks
Rating 92.9
Orton
336/541 (62.1%) for 3802 yards
33.8 attempts per game
7.0 yard average per attempt
237.6 yards average per game
21 Touchdowns
12 Interceptions
185 First Downs
34.2 First Down Percentage
Longest pass play 87 yards
43 20+ yard pass plays
9 40+ yard pass plays
29 Sacks
Rating 86.8
So . . .
McNabb led in Average per Attempt, Yards per Game, Touchdowns (by 1), Interceptions (by 2), 20+ yard plays, 40+ yard plays, and Rating. All this while playing in a system that emphasized longer throws.
Orto led in Completions, Attempts, Completion Percentage, Attempts per Game, Yards, First Downs, First Down Percentage, Longest pass play, and Fewer sacks. All this while playing in a system that emphasized short to medium range passes (if you look at Tom Brady’s 2009 numbers in the same basic system, he had 43 20+ pass plays, and 12 40+ pass plays, almost identical to Orton’s).
I also find it interesting that the supposedly lead-footed, phantom-sacked Orton had 6 fewer sacks (despite dropping back to pass 98 more times to pass than the supposedly nimble-footed McNabb.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Are you saying Orton is as good a QB as McNabb?
I’m guessing you are in a very, very small minority of NFL followers if you think so. But I still love you man :)
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Not really
I’m simply pointing out that there is a strange misperception when comparing Orton and McNabb. I was objecting to the adjective “alot” since the statistics do not show that McNabb was significantly more productive than Orton.
I also was surprised to see that Orton had fewer sacks than McNabb, even though both o-lines struggled, and McNabb is considered to be much more mobile than Orton.
Also, Emmett Smith reminded me in a conversation we were having via email, that if you go back and look at the game film, you will see many instances of McDaniels having Orton move out of the pocket to his right. In those instances, Orton moved well and was able to throw on the run. Where Orton needs to improve is in his footwork within the pocket to keep his lines to his receivers established.
Something to think about.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
The only thing I've noticed statistically
Is that over the last 5 years, McNabb’s statistics have shown a consistent pattern of decline, while Orton’s have shown a consistent pattern of improvement.
That suggests to me that in McNabb, you have a QB who has peaked and is now on the downside of his career, while with Orton, we do not yet know what his ceiling is — it may very well have been 2009, or it could be another 5 years in the future.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
So Orton threw the ball more than 100 more times,
and McNabb still had one more touchdown? Transform McNabb’s stats if he were to have thrown as many passes as Orton. The INT’s may be closer to 14, but the TD’s will be in the 30’s…And in Denver, his arsenal of weapons is far superior than in Philly. No doubt.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 9, 2010 8:35 PM MST up reply actions
I agree 100%, except that Tampa Bay won on defense like the Ravens did. ;-)
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The playoffs need no real introduction. It’s the time of year where everything comes down to one game, one drive, even one play.
It is a complete team effort, and redefines what a team game really is. Despite this, it is the time of year where the quarterback position is also redefined. A legacy can be created, or destroyed, in a single game, drive, or play.
These are the guys you want under center when January rolls around. Here is my list of the top ten active playoff quarterbacks.
10. Joe Flacco
Playoff Record: (3-2)
Conference Championship Games: 1
Super Bowls: 0
Joe Flacco’s winning playoff record is guilty of false advertising and certainly does not reflect Flacco’s performance in the post-season.
Currently Joe Flacco’s quarterback rating in the playoffs is a pathetic 46.5. He has only thrown one touchdown in five playoff starts against six interceptions. However, it should be noted that three of those interceptions came in one game.
While Flacco is winning in the playoffs, it is clear he has very little to do with it. If he has any hopes of ever winning a Super Bowl, he will have to perform better in the playoffs.
9. Philip Rivers
Playoff Record: (3-4)
Conference Championship Games: 1
Super Bowls: 0
Rivers’ career rating in the playoffs is a mediocre 79.2, which is a fair reflection of his playoff production.
In four playoff games, he has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns, and has lost three of those games.
He has thrown eight playoff TD’s compared to nine playoff INT’s.
Rivers is one of the highest rated quarterbacks in NFL history, but he does not do well to translate that to the playoffs.
8. Eli Manning
Playoff Record: (4-3)
Conference Championship Games: 1
Super Bowls: 1
Manning is another quarterback whose playoff record hides the true story of his performances. All four of his playoff victories came in their Super Bowl season. However, Manning turned in arguably the most unexpected playoff performances in NFL history.
In the 2007 playoffs, Manning only threw one interception and posted two games with a quarterback rating of over 100. It should also be noted that he played on the road for every single game.
The reason he is only No.8 on this list is because he has been dismal in his other three playoff losses, having only one game in which his quarterback rating was above 40.
His career playoff rating is 77.6
7. Mark Sanchez
Playoff record: (2-1)
Conference Championship Games: 1
Super Bowls: 0
Sanchez turned in a horrible rookie season, but made up for it in the playoffs. In his first playoff start he posted a rating of 139.4 and a completion percentage of 80% on the road.
Currently, his playoff rating after just three games is 92.7. One of the highest on the entire list.
However, he needs to prove to me that this wasn’t a fluke and that he can perform like this every January. Of course, if he continues to post regular season stats like last year, he won’t even be making it back to January.
6. Peyton Manning
Playoff Record: (9-9)
Conference Championship Games: 3
Super Bowls: 2
Contrary to popular belief, Peyton Manning is not a complete playoff failure. He has a decent rating of 87.6 and has posted 28 touchdownds to 19 interceptions.
However, the stat that really holds Manning back is that six of his nine playoff losses have come in the first game; despite posting high ratings in three of those six lossess.
Like his brother Eli, his 4-0 playoff run in 2006 has tremendously helped his legacy and given him a decent spot on my list.
5. Donovan McNabb
Playoff Record: (9-7)
Conference Championship Games: 5
Super Bowls: 1
Donovan McNabb is one of the most consistent playoff performers in recent memory. He is 6-1 in the first game, his first loss coming this past season to Dallas.
McNabb’s career playoff rating is an even 80. However, he has posted eight games with a rating of 90 or higher.
One of McNabb’s most outstanding accomplishments is his series of four consecutive NFC Championship games.
In 16 playoff starts he has modest numbers of 24 TD’s and 17 IN
& Denver's o-Line Didn't ?
I think we’re comparing apples to apples here. Philly has more of a Vertical passing game, & the speed merchants to stretch the field. McNabb would not have those same #’s in our amoeba offense. He was pretty good in his day, but he is definitely on the downhill side of the Mtn. now. If they are entertaining trading him, then why do you think that is ? Would you trade him if he were still a great QB. Give me Orton anyday.
There's no responsible answer to the QB question right now
We need to shore up the trenches, run the ball, stop the run, then maybe make a move for one next year when we can give him a running game, a defense, and good protection.
I don’t necessarily think Orton is our long-term answer. But it’s only a problem if we have a solution. We can’t see the future, but we can’t reasonably expect either Bradford or Claussen to be there past the Hawks at #6. So jumping over them to grab Bradford at #5 would cost our 1st and 2nd round picks and ignore our our other glaring needs.
I’ve mentioned in another post that McNabb plays an average of 12.6 games per year over the last half-decade. Would that really be an upgrade over Kyle Orton? Or does his flashy arm and scrambling abilities have our ADD kicked into, oooh sparkly
It’s only a problem if there’s a solution. I don’t see spending two of our first three picks on a perpetual injury risk as a solution. I don’t see spending our first two picks on a future QB as being responsible when you can’t run the ball or stop the run.
It’s time we stop looking at this like the Lions when they drafted Stafford before they could protect him, and instead build like the Jets and Ravens. Those teams are going to be the future. Just like Boston and Indy were when they built their franchises years ago.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
by Alex on Feb 9, 2010 7:35 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
concur, concur, concur
Did I say that I concur with everything you just wrote. Which is exactly why I hope that Tommy B. is gonna be the man. Kids got feet, big arm, and the smarts to make it in the NFL.
by johnnyurrotten on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Agree with this the most
It’s time we stop looking at this like the Lions when they drafted Stafford before they could protect him, and instead build like the Jets and Ravens. Those teams are going to be the future. Just like Boston and Indy were when they built their franchises years ago.
I don’t care who is the QB, RB, WR, or TE on our team. If the O-line isn’t blocking well for the run-game or keeping the QB protected on pass plays, no one can make a play. The play will break down before it has a chance to develop.
An average O-line (which is what we appear to have) will make McNabb look worse. This has been said by several on this site that a good team is built from the trenches. Just like the quote above stated.
It doesn’t seem realistic that we can keep BMarsh, Doom, Kuper, Orton, and Scheffler, then draft McClain, Iopati and Pouncey, and finally sign Peppers, baby LT, and McNabb. It’s a nice pipedream. But all these blockbuster mock scenarios I’ve been seeing on MHR are unrealistic on so many levels.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Totally Agreed alex
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by BroncoSense72 on Feb 10, 2010 6:24 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the comments
One other note that may be worth considering is that before our line injuries and inability to stop the run, Orton was often mentioned as being a consideration for league MVP. He was getting the job done with index and ankle problems. And he certainly wasn’t the one allowing a guy like Jamaal Charles to embarass us for 10 yards per carry on 259 yards.
The Bears rushed out and paid a King’s randsome to grab a shinny new QB ‘savior’ only to lead the league in interceptions, digress overall as a team and as an offense, fire their OC, and all-in-all got embarassed by having their ‘throw away’ QB perform better than whatshisname in nearly every meaningful category.
Orton wasn’t the problem in Chicago and Cutler wasn’t the answer. How Lovie Smith and/or Jerry Angelo kept their jobs, I’ll never know. But I’ll be very happy if we learn from their mistake.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
My Mock Draft had us trading our 2010 2nd Round Pick and 2011 3rd.
McNabb is the 5th best QB in alot of polls and will give Denver a 5 year window to Win the SuperBowl. We could also draft a developmental QB in the next couple of years to take over for him.
As far as Oline – I agree but I think if we can sign Eugene Amamo and then draft Mike Iupati or Maurkice Pouncey our Oline will be set for years .
I'd be happier
if the Broncos replaced Chris Simms with a QB like David Carr and have him compete for the #2 spot. And remember, we have a guy named Tom Brandstater on the team. How easily he’s been forgotten.
McNabb may move better, but Orton has just as much advantage between his ears. And right now, that is more valuable in this offense.
Besides, we have more urgent issues to resolve, like the O-line and D-line.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Looks like Micah
needs a Mansierre.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
LOL
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by BroncoSense72 on Feb 10, 2010 6:28 AM MST up reply actions
Royal has similar skills when compared to DeSean Jackson
Really? I might have agreed with you in 2008, but 2009 was an entirely different story. I don’t think we give up him, but he’s got a lot of developing to do to catch up with what Jackson is now.
Go Broncs!
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