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With the recent D-Line acquisitions, it appears the need to draft an impact D-Lineman has receded (maybe).  Some have questioned the age and durability of the J's but as a rotational unit they seem to have plenty of solid options for the next 2 years, at least.

 

With the D-Line addressed (essentially), let's look again at all the positions:

QB - Orton is the 2010 answser, but questions remain if he is beyond that (2010 season will dictate that).  Definitely drafting a QB - Pike, LeFevour, Tebow and McCoy are all top prospects for Denver.  However, those would require a 3rd pick or higher.  Just might happen.

RB - Hillis may still be in Bronco uniform so drafting a RB is not a high priority.  Probably a 6th or 7th rd pick will be used for this position (or even undrafted).

WR - the 2 well discussed scenarios: 

a) Marshall stays - this would definitely put the need for a playmaker pushed to the 3rd-6th rd area. Marshall, Gafney, Royal, Mckinley, Stokely, Willis and Lloyd is an above avg WR group.

b) Marshall goes - a pick in the 1st 3 rds will be required to get a quality WR with the ability to contribute during rookie yr.  WR woud be downgraded but depending on the compensation of Marshall then impact may be minimized (either at the WR position or elevating another position).

TE - Scheffler seems unlikely to stay but you never know.  If he stays, the position is set.  If gone, then depending on the compensation, they draft more of pass-catching/blocking TE.  This will depend on how good the O-line is projected to be.  I see Denver the Scheffler pick for such a pass-catching TE.

OL - Really, all positions need either a starter or depth.  Center and a guard are needed right away.  Look for at least a 3rd pick to go towards one of these, preferably a versatile player to play both.  Tackle is interesting because Harris is a huge question mark.  I would not be surprised if a 4th rd pick or much higher is used on a tackle.

DL - having addressed this in FA, I see a pick in the 3rd-4th rd range here.  the quality of depth helps get us a solid player to learn the ropes from the vets.

LB - these guys have to be excited to get a chance to play behind/alongside the new beef.  Open tackling lanes will automatically improve these right away.  We should look to draft someone probably in the 2nd -6th rd depending on BPA.

DB - safeties are set thru the draft last year.  CB is set for at least another year; however, I could see a CB pick if one of the top guys drop (Haden in 1st or McCourty in 2nd).

 

Overall, I predict Denver to draft along the following priorities (if Marshall and Sceffler stay):

1st RD - OL, DL, LB, CB (Trent Williams/Iupati or Dan Williams or Rolando McClain)

2nd RD - QB, OL, LB, CB (Tony Pike or Roger Saffold or Brandon Spikes/Sean Lee)

3rd RD - LB, QB, OL, DL, WR (Pat Angerer or Dan LeFevour or JD Walton or Alex Carrington)

4th RD - DL, CB, WR, RB (Torrell Troup or Javier Arenas or Jordan Shipley)

6th RD - RB, WR, OL, LB (BPA)

7th RD - DL, LB, OL, RB, WR (BPA)


If there is additional compensation for losing either Marshall or Scheffler then more than one of these players in each round is in play. 

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Don't count on D-line not being addressed in the draft

Last years free agent signings RB, DB’s and we ended up drafting RB and DB’s. I think if the best player is a DL that fits, we would still take him, all the D-linemen we have signed are definately on the tail ends of their careers, so having youth and coptetion at the positions is not a bad thing.

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by Broncoman on Mar 10, 2010 9:43 AM MST reply actions  

agreed but

but I think the emphasis in the early rounds will be offense. I feel that there is depth on the defensive side of football in the draft and less so on the Offense. Use of a 4th rd this yr would yield a 2nd rd talent any other year. We are fortunate.

by Orange and Blue on Mar 10, 2010 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I think with all the FA D line signing OLB moves up in draft priority as well..

Ok we have Doom and Ayers with Haggan for depth but .. Jarvis Moss and Darrel Reid? Surely we can do better, Reid has ST ability so may stay due to that but Moss is surely a goner.. right?

Other than that i think we have 1 more spot for D-line.. assuming Peterson or Thomas is gone.. Not sure if we carry 7 or 8 d tackles/ends?

CB is possibility early.. e.g. Haden. McClain and Dan Williams the others i could see going at 11.

I would say it’s probable we drop Simms, but again we might not, so not sure if we go after QB. Josh said he wants to get Hillis more involved next year and Arrington is here now also so RB may not be neccesary..

Things we can’t be sure of.. How Chris Baker is doing, how Tony Carter is doing, and how Nick Griesen will fit in if at all. Also we have that TE on the practise squad.. Branson.. that was his name..

Obviously OLine will be heavily featured during draft and WR will get some attentionwith or without Marshall, although i do think that Kenny McKinley will turn out to be an awesome receiver in the NFL.

Still to many variables to get a clear picture of what areas we will go after.. also i think McD is more of a BPA (at a position of need) kind of guy so mocking for obvious need may be flawed..

Anyway that’s my random collection of thoughts on the topic.. Thx for the post. :-)

by HorseStance on Mar 10, 2010 10:12 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Pro days may play into the factor for the 10 teams in front of us on who they pick.

Since we did address the D-Line with free agency, that may or may not eliminate the possibility of taking a Dan Williams at #11. We have young talent in Chris baker, Marcus Thomas, Ryan McBean and Everette Pedescleaux and I don’t see any reason to doubt their development as they get some playing time.

The Outside Linebacker (OLB) is pretty solid with Elvis Dumervil, Robert Ayers, Mario Haggan, Darrell Reid (if healthy), Baraka Atkins 4th yr, and Jarvis Moss (expect to be cut). This is a position with question marks? For sure. We don’t have any idea how Reid’s surgery (Only performed on one other player) pan out and if he will be able to play this season. Atkins is an unknown for the most part and will have wait and see with him. Moss is on his last leg IMO and his return is questionable. That leaves us with Dumervil, Ayers 2nd and Haggan. We will definitely need a OLB in the draft, but I don’t see any who I think the coach would pick in the #11 spot. I look for an OLB in the later rounds if we stand pat on draft picks.

Inside Linebacker position we have DJ Williams, Andra Davis, Wesley Woodyard, Nick Greisen and Spencer Larsen. Williams and Davis were the starters and may continue in that role? Woodyard rotates in on 3rd down and Larsen plays mostly in at sub. His main role so far has been special teams and fullback. I am hoping that he will get more playing time at ILB, but again, whether Wink thinks he can handle it or not is the question? We know he is a hard hitter and good tackler, my only question with Larsen is, how good are his football instincts? Greisen is unknown as far as his production with the team. He was hurt early in training camp and his return is in question. We have a need at this position that I feel needs to be addressed in the first round even though some of the more intelligent analyst on here will tell you different.

The Cornerback position has Champ Bailey, Andre Goodman (both 30+), Alphonso Smith®, Ty law (35), Tony Carter®. Wink/McD will have to upgrade this position sooner or later and there is no better time than in this draft IMO. Will they draft one in the first? Maybe, but I believe they will take one somewhere along the line.

The Safety position like you said was upgraded last year through free agency and the draft. Brian Dawkins and Renaldo Hill should be the starters again this year and their mentoring of the youngs (Bruton, McBath and Barrett) will be very valuable in terms of return. I don’t think this will be a glaring need and the draft picks can be used elsewhere. Not saying they won’t pick one up in CFA though.

Since I don’t think we will pick an offensive player with the first pick and the uncertainty of Brandon Marshall, I’ll leave that to the offensive gurus.

OK. What we have is a defensive line that has been upgraded tremendously in free agency and whether or not we draft one in the first is still up in the air. I say we won’t and I think with the OLB, ILB and CB positions needing attention, we draft a player in the first at one of these spots. Since I don’t think there is a OLB good enough to take at #11 I’ll narrow it down to the remaining two positions, ILB and CB. There are two prospects in the draft that would be rated as a plus+ BPA if we drafted them at #11. Those two are Joe haden CB and Rolando McClain ILB. Which ever one of these guys is available will be the pick at 11…Whew…

by bfree2bronc on Mar 10, 2010 10:47 AM MST reply actions   3 recs

Beautiful, all of it

I think all of our IQ"s just raised a few notches with these latest signings. Things are starting to become much more clear, night and day from the holes and unsurety of last year.

I think the quiet point and theme that most now agree with is that our biggest needs just went from O’ Line and D Line – to O’ Line and linebacker. We need youth at cb, but nothing pressing.

We don’t have a center, we’re basically lacking another guard, and just have a collosal lack of depth accross the entire line. Aside from that, the most immediate need is to get better at coverage from the 2nd level of defense, and hopefully get some QB coming from that level also (outside of Doom of course).

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 10, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah elvis and I forgot to add Nathan Jones the 7th year CB from the Dolphins.

At 5’10 he should add depth there and may be a reason why I tend to lean towards McClain in the first. I don’t see us drafting a OT because it wouldn’t be prudent to pay him Clady type money to sit the bench, unless of course he is versitile enough to play OT G and C. Those prospects are far and in between IMO. I do believe we will draft a G and C in the 2nd-4th or 5th rds though. Obviously I’m not a draft analyst or anything like that, but I try to think inside the FO’s mind of how they will move forward in the draft. Most were shocked at the Moreno pick at #12 last year and there were a couple of people here that picked him, I wasn’t one though regretfully. I just want to guess it right this time…HEH..

by bfree2bronc on Mar 10, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

I agree on the “Clady money” take, too. He better go out and paint the fence and wash the car too if we were to intentionally draft a backup OT/starting OG at #11. I was way off on Moreno, too. I absolutely thought we were buying Orakpo right there.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 10, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Clady money is why Williams could make sense...

Williams provides a potential replacement of Clady IF Clady demands too much. Having stud bookend tackles is very constructive too. What do we need more (if Harris cant play)? I say a RT, C, OG will be in play in the 1st 3 Broncos picks. I hope if we get extra picks, we’ll be able to get an ILB and OLB.

by Orange and Blue on Mar 10, 2010 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I just don't think they will pay for another OT. Now Center is another question.

Sure I would and it is one of our greatest needs at this moment, but I don’t think we are done yet with free agency picks. Pick McClain at #11 and we’ll be safe…LOL

by bfree2bronc on Mar 10, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Saw larsen play in college at U of A

He has fantastic football instincts which make up for only above avg natural skills. I wish he could get more play.

by Orange and Blue on Mar 10, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting Note...

I now see that KC is bringing in the widely notorious, and extremely controversial Shaun Smith….(as the anti jamal williams move) no doubt! Yep, it’s a copy cat league, but having Shaun Smith ensure you have internal strife and infighting. Haaaaa! Go KC!

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by Hogblog on Mar 10, 2010 11:09 AM MST reply actions  

Great discussion

I wonder what we’ll do about Scheff’s position if he leaves. Love him or hate him, even in McD’s system, Tony accounted for some very real production.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 10, 2010 11:10 AM MST reply actions  

Horse Stance - good point on Branson

One thing that will drop a player in the draft is having transferred when in college. It’s not the kiss of death, but it frequently counts against them because the player usually was up against lesser competition either before (Branson) or after (Baker) the transfer. Either way, it reduces that number of years the player has gone against better competition, and therefore reduces the amount of useful film and stats you have on that player. Branson went from East Mississippi CC to Central Arkansas, so he often was up against lesser players. He also underwent surgery for a torn ACL in 2005

That said, he’s a 6’3, 248 lb pass catching TE who spent last year working on his technique and his strength while on the PS. He flashed the ability, tenacity and even strength to compete at the blocking phase of the NFL game and has to become more consistent there. He also has the frame to put on another 15 or more pounds of muscle while honing his blocking technique. But as far as his pass catching, he earned All-Southland Conference first-team accolades in 2008 by averaging 16.4 yards per catch and hauled in 45 catches for 737 yards and a team-high 11 touchdowns that year (Branson was UCA’s second-leading receiver that season). He also had an arm span of 34 1/4 inches and a hand span of 10 inches measured at the combine, for those who think that big hands and long arms metter in the receiving game.

Considering that Scheffler, although taller at 6’5 is only 7 lb heavier than Branson was listed last year. Branson also ran a 4.55 40 at his pro day, comparable to Scheffler’s time, and had a 36 inch vertical leap, showing that he has the potential for a good explosion off the line with proper training. Branson is a question mark, but may prove to be an effective source of the 31 receptions that Scheff had last season.

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by Doc Bear on Mar 10, 2010 12:02 PM MST reply actions  

Branson has an impressive highlight vid from college

I don’t think he’s a bruiser, but he has good field awareness, vision, and hands. I think he could replace Scheffler if we didn’t want to use a draft pick on Moeaki or another tight end.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 10, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

That's why I'm not worried about our TE position.

Getting rid of Scheffler (if they do) will be just a bleep on the depth chart. IMO.

by bfree2bronc on Mar 10, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

and potentially pocket us a second round pick..

Although no body seems to be calling about him. :0(

by HorseStance on Mar 10, 2010 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Good stuff on Branson Doc

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 10, 2010 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Thx, ea

It all starts with the lines

by Doc Bear on Mar 10, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

This is intriguing

While I don’t see Trent Williams as an option (and he could be), I think your short list is adequate, and one I think I could get on board with. I keep thinking about Joe Haden. His 40 time very likely could drop him out of the top ten, and into our laps. That could be a situation in which I see we’re getting the best bang for our buck. Haden is a top five talent who didn’t run well at the combine, or workout well in general but as we know the one thing GM’s should be focusing on is the game tape.

Then you think about impact year one. CB probably isn’t going to be a high impact position year one, which makes me think we would stray away from that position with Haden as the one exception. I wonder if Taylor Mays is still out of the question either. I know we have Bruton and McBath, and I think McBath proved he can be a starter in this league, but would Mays be too good to pass on in round one? I think you have to include him on that short list as well simply because Hill isn’t getting any younger, and Bruton hasn’t displayed starter quality ability just yet.

I think WR is a real option, but only if we trade down. Dez Bryant looks dominant on tape, but there isn’t any of him for almost a year, and he will not be working out before the draft, which is concerning. I love Demaryius Thomas as a late first round choice, and Golden Tate is intriguing as well.

I like Iupati and Pouncey as round one linemen.

Dan Williams is a name that’s been thrown around, but I don’t see much of a year one impact from him, even in a rotational capacity. He is very raw, and comes from a 4-3 cover two scheme at Tennessee.

A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.

by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 10, 2010 12:15 PM MST reply actions  

Why do we need impact year one?

I think McClain would offer that and be an upgrade over Davis.. But if Haden really has the potential to be a top tier CB in this league, who could replace champ or goody.. I don’t see the problem with the pick.. Ok, Maybe it doesn’t make as much sense for us this year after taking smith last year and jones in fa but i would like to think he could contribute in some ways.. what if champ or goody get injured.. they are older guys.. so they may wear down as well.

I would love McClain in the first, but in all honesty i don’t want to get too attached to him just in case it doesn’t happen.. so i am trying to keep an open mind this year.. :o)

by HorseStance on Mar 10, 2010 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Doesn't BB

have a history of drafting linebackers? I could be wrong on that. I’d love to have Haden and McClain (#6 and #11), or McClain and Iupati (#11 and #14). Or any combination of those picks depending on what pick number we get for BM. I wouldn’t want to draft a WR in the first round, but would prefer trading back if for some reason Coach isn’t as high on these guys as I am.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 10, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

lol linebackers in round one

I’m pretty sure he has a history of drafting linebackers somewhere in the draft =)

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 10, 2010 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe in

Taking the theplayer that will have the greatest positive impact on your team philosophy.
So at #11

So Iupati? Too early for a OG. Pouncey? Too early for a C. McClain? Too early for a ILB?
Williams DT, Davis, Williams OT, Morgan OLB, Impact?

Truthfully I don’t know and don’t have a strong opinion as to who will be picked at #11.

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by 3nS on Mar 10, 2010 1:21 PM MST reply actions  

I don't think you can rule out the 3rd option

that Marshall stays and we still draft a receiver. While probably not as probable it could still happen and we still have a need for a fast deep threat even if Marshall stays.

by BroncoMath101 on Mar 10, 2010 2:10 PM MST reply actions  

It makes sense

If Dez Bryant clears medically, I think we could add him, but as I stated above I am skeptical as of now. I shouldn’t have said he’s not an option at this point, and I rescind that comment. He IS an option, and all options should be considered. I think Bryant would be a fine addition, especially if we keep BMarsh. That gives us a starting trio of Marshall, Bryant, and Royal, and if Marshall leaves next season the pain will decrease significantly. In fact, this scenario makes a ton of sense now that I type it out.

A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.

by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 10, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I question Bryant

There is a lot to like about Dez and some questions too. He has great skills and would stretch the field well from what I’ve read. My question is about his maturity. Rumor has it he has issues with tardiness at practice and games. Also seen by some as a diva type. If Marshall stays and I’m guessing he may, that would put us with two very talented guys with attitudes. That is scary in a good and bad way.

by SpiritGuy on Mar 10, 2010 7:47 PM MST up reply actions  

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